Superman is without a doubt the most unapologetic true comic book movie the modern era has ever seen. It is unashamed of what it is, and the fact that it embraces even the most weird of DC material deserves nothing short of praise.

With all of that said, does Superman 2025 have anything original worth adding to comic canon?

>>149399418 (OP)
Does Superman torture people with a cactus in the comics?

>>149399418 (OP)
please try and be less obvious next time

>>149399418 (OP)
>the most unapologetic true comic book movie

Is it the first COPE-less superhero movie? Even '89 Batman and '78 Superman had bits of COPE.

>>149399538
Blow me. I don't mind being positive for a change
>>149399557
What does that mean exactly?

>>149399418 (OP)
I have to agree with you

>>149399521
GIWTWM
>>149399418 (OP)
>Superman is without a doubt the most unapologetic true comic book movie the modern era has ever seen.
True, felt like it tossed you right into an issue, there were some parts that were just ridiculous (in a good way) that it gave no explanation for. And that's the way to do it unless you want an extra 20 min of exposition on top of the runtime. Which they said they were trying to avoid.
>does Superman 2025 have anything original worth adding to comic canon?
No cause all the plot points were lifted from comic canon. Unless you count Lex coming up with an entire sequence of battle commands that he screams over a mic while sweating autistically , then yeah that would be worth adding imo kek

>>149399737
It kinda had the "Invincible" approach were it just tells the audience to accept how weird the world is at face value without a shit ton of setup.
>No cause all the plot points were lifted from comic canon.
What about The Raptors? I know Lex has had armed goons in the past but I can't remember if we've ever given an official name to them. Was nice seeing Otis again though. And I know Ultraman's mask was pretty much Doomsday's containment suit but I have to wonder if Crime Syndicate/Earth 3 Ultraman should wear that too given that he's weakened by yellow suns

>>149399418 (OP)
Yeah I've been saying this but it's easily the movie that feels the most like a superhero comic. Doesn't even feel like it's a negative. Genuinely it feels like it could've been a 4-6 issue arc of a longrunning comic.

>With all of that said, does Superman 2025 have anything original worth adding to comic canon?
I like tying the Engineer, Planet/Stormwatch, and maybe the Authority into Superman.

>>149399844
>What about The Raptors?
Couldn't tell em apart from any random taskforce you'd find in a comic desu

> I have to wonder if Crime Syndicate/Earth 3 Ultraman should wear that too given that he's weakened by yellow suns
I want to say we'll never see Ultraman but with all the weird stuff they threw into this, who knows? Though I think we'll see the clone return before that.

I hope Gunn doesn't direct the next one, he did good with this one in that all the characters are themselves but directing Superman was obviously not a voluntary choice and you could tell he was venting his snarky/cynical writing through Justice Gang. Thank fuck he didn't stick Whedon humor in though

>>149400238
a lot of people are speculating Ultraman will come back as Bizarro

>>149400270
Do you see a redemption for him then? Considering Metamorpho joined the gang in the end , I wonder if Clark's movies are gonna involve him converting the anti-heroes/villains. Kinda like they've been doing in the comics last I looked (is banshee still on the side of good?)

>>149400367
now that you remind me, Jimmy Olsen dating Silver Banshee would be a great subplot for a Superman sequel

The more I think about it, the more I like it. It really did feel like a comic storyline in live action. They should've made the movie poster a classic comic cover.

The first I ever paid attention to Mr Terrific was Fatal Five. he was pretty sweet in that one. I'm glad he was a standout character in this.

>>149399418 (OP)
What would a James Gunn Spider-Man movie be like? Can Sony scrap the entire homecoming timeline and start again?

>>149399418 (OP)
>Superman is without a doubt the most unapologetic true comic book movie the modern era has ever seen
Not really

>>149400270
I would like to see Bizarro World get used in the Gunnpoint Universe. I really think there's money in a second Justice League movie being against a Bizarro Justice League (even though Bizzaro League are just a bunch of Bizarro Supermans and not Bizarro versions of the other members.)

>>149400380
Kek I'm glad they made Olsen a puss magnet in the movie

Sadly there wasn't much of the daily planet crew. And Clark ("disguised" Clark) is only in one scene. For only a few minutes. Why?

>>149400707
>Sadly there wasn't much of the daily planet crew.
That was a pretty big waste, why even include Lombard if you don't have a gag of him trying to prank Clark and it boomerangs on him? Ron Troupe didn't even get a line I'm pretty sure.

>>149400238
I'm talking about bringing stuff from the movie into the comic, not theorizing future films

It will be nice if we can get more fun, wacky Jimmy Olsen stories.

Idk... Supergirl, Krypto, Lobo, Peacemaker, Guy Gardner, Metamorpho, Mr Terrific... Gunn has a great eye for highly enjoyable characters. Such a fun group of supporting characters. And we will be definitely getting Hal and John, Batman and Robin, Wonder Woman. Who knows what kind of supporting characters he'll want to throw in there.

There's whatever is going to happen with Sgt Rock, Clayface, Creature Commandos, Mr Miracle, Blue Beetle. It just feels like a lot of eclectic pockets of DC. It gives the comics a lot of options for "synergy"

>>149401138
I said this in another thread but I predict the DCU will be a lot of projects that do exist in the same universe and will crossover frequently, but also function as standalone experiences. doing it this way takes pressure off the audience to watch everything, they can just focus on the stuff that catches their interest.

Krypto is stupid. The amount of screen time spent on a misbehaving dog that could have been spent on character and organic world building over the constant exposition is part of where this film went off the rails.

>>149401246
Gunn said they avoided spoilers for any future movies being in the after credits for this reason, don't want to force everything to be connected and possibly build too much hype for a movie you're not directing. It makes sense. After credits stuff became annoying after the first avengers.
>>149400874
Well that's what I'm saying, nothing really that I'd incorporate. Was there anything new that stood out? Raptors were meh, pocket dimension is just discount phantom zone, kaiju monster is just that. Lex having a monke army was funny though.
Idek who Otis is so maybe youre asking the wrong guy

>>149401723
>Idek who Otis is so maybe youre asking the wrong guy
Otis is a Lexcorp henchman that originally debuted in the Reeves film and returned here. He's been in a few comics, sometimes as a security guard, other times a digital assistant

>>149401138
If you had to guess, who will direct the superman sequel?

>>149401805
Gunn isn't going to let anyone else do it.

>>149401810
Did Gunn have the same level of freedom on this one he’s had in other films? Not that he’s a genius by any stretch of the imagination but it felt like a step down from his other films in terms of script, pacing, plot, etc

I predict Gunn will push for the Justice League Dark, but they won't be named as such. Another placeholder name until all of these guys come together as The Justice League. Said magic members will be
>Zatanna
>Etrigan
>Blue Devil
>Detective Chimp
>Swamp Thing

Debatable if they'll try Doctor Fate again

>>149401871
I always hated that name anyway

>>149401840
>Did Gunn have the same level of freedom on this one he’s had in other films?
He might have had more since it had so many obnoxious Gunn-isms.

>>149401889
>it had so many obnoxious Gunn-isms.
People have been saying this but I don't see it.

>>149401889
This is also fair. Still was he not allowed to mention any real bands in the punk rock cringe dialogue for example?

>>149401918
>The Super-Harem bit
>The comedically broad performances
>Supergirl being a drunk party girl
>The whole Jimmy selfie subplot
>The Punk rock thing
>The social media haters plot
>The edgy superteam that kills
>Nathan Fillion
etc.

>>149401871
>>149401877
Yeah, JLD as a name always sucked. Shadowpact or the Sentinels of Magic were always much better.

>>149399418 (OP)
>It is unashamed of what it is, and the fact that it embraces even the most weird of DC material deserves nothing short of praise.
I disagree. Yea it just roles with crazy logicless alien shit or super science but it comes at the cost of characters and story. Like a dessert with a lot of really cool frosting only to realize there's almost no cake.

>>149401961

>Supergirl being a drunk party girl
He's using woman of tomorrow as a reference. She's drinking to cope with the fact that she's lost everything (Gunn's words).

>The social media haters plot
It's just the kind of sneaky shit Lex would pull. Also fuck you the monkeys were great

>The edgy superteam that kills
Obviously meant to contrast Clark and his efforts to not kill anyone

>Nathan Fillion
He got the most laughs at my theater...I liked him

>The Punk rock thing
Yeah that's true. Clark likes metal anyway

>The Super-Harem bit
Oh fuck yeah you're right. Absolute worst part of the movie. I wouldve only cringed a little if it was a one off but the fact that they kept bringing it up and how unnecessary it was made it seem like a fetish insert. Eugh

>>149402085
>He's using woman of tomorrow as a reference
>Using Tom King as a reference
King even consulted on Superman, another reason to dislike it. The social media plot really plays into Gunn and King's persecution complexes. Gunn when he got cancelled and fired from Disney, Tom King when people bring up what he did in the Middle East (even though he'll brag about it given the opportunity.)

>>149399418 (OP)
>Superman is without a doubt the most unapologetic true comic book movie the modern era has ever seen
That was Aquaman actually

>>149401138
Given Gunn's choices, I feel like Ambush Bug would be right up his alley.
>>149400746
>Ron Troupe didn't even get a line I'm pretty sure.
Ron Troupe doesn't exist in the movie until Perry says his name.

>>149402359
I loved both honestly

>>149399521
Golden Age Superman did worse shit than this

>>149401246
I really don't care for this thing they're doing with the whole "Animated and live action are both the same canon". Like, I don't CARE how good Creature Commandos is, I don't want it rubbing shoulders with this Superman.

>>149399418 (OP)
Comicfans tell me: does the Kaiju comes from the comics? I only know from Titano.

>>149404580
It's just a generic kaiju.

>>149399583
it means INTERNET BUZZWORD that's supposed to make you SEETHE so he can type COPE again like a toddler

>>149403222
Speaking of, I love how there's a tinge of Golden Age Superman in here. Really feels like this is a combination of every Superman that's come before.