Would harsher/more critical criticism of established writers work lead to better comics? - /co/ (#149423265) [Archived: 287 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/16/2025, 9:59:44 PM No.149423265
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Any one else feel like a lot of writers are just coasting off of the glory of their previous work and are just pumping out poorly written fan fiction of readers favorites for a quick paycheck?

3 Jokers and The Green Lantern are probably the biggest examples of this.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:05:21 PM No.149423333
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No
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:08:09 PM No.149423372
No. We just need a better incentive structure. I propose a bonus for the best selling team at a company each month, and the worst selling team has to take furry porn commissions until they make up the difference in sales.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:08:29 PM No.149423376
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>>149423265 (OP)
>comics media takes the dick out of its mouth one time
>Hack creators: pic related.
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DoctorGreen !DRgReeNusk
7/16/2025, 10:12:03 PM No.149423414
>>149423376
basically
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:12:22 PM No.149423418
>>149423372
If quality was what actually sold comics this would be fucking genius
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:14:19 PM No.149423445
So what's the list then? And I expect Taylor's boring ass Nightwing run to be on there
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:16:02 PM No.149423472
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>>149423414
>>149423376
>>149423445
Has Tom Taylor actually every written anything worth reading at the big two

Isnโ€™t Injust-asss supposed to be his magnum opus
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:18:11 PM No.149423495
>>149423265 (OP)
Better than what? CBR and similar websites suck but how is an article saying that some great comics aren't that great a problem for this guy? The real problem is using mid
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:23:17 PM No.149423567
>>149423445
>10. Doomsday Clock
>9. Batman: White Knight
>8. Wonder Woman by Tom King
>7. COIE
>6. What's So Funny About Truth, Justice etc.
>5. Three Jokers
>4. New 52 JL
>3. Flashpoint
>2. Hush
>1. Injustice
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:28:34 PM No.149423630
The list: Doomsday Clock, White Knight, King's Wonder Woman, COIE, New 52 Justice League, Flashpoint, Hush, Injustice, Action Comics #775, Three Jokers
It doesn't explain the reasoning for any of them, the article is AI generated.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:32:02 PM No.149423674
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>>149423265 (OP)
>>149423472
He needs to stop writing comics and pursue his true calling: forming a nu-metal band
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:38:01 PM No.149423740
>>149423567
I hate lists like these but majority of the selections arenโ€™t too far off.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:40:05 PM No.149423762
>Mid
I will never trust the word of anyone who speaks like an imbecile
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:41:23 PM No.149423774
>>149423630
i mean its wrong in maybe 2

COIE its pure art thanks to Perez, but its kinda a breaking point for the sake of breaking shit
Action comics 775 its just an incredible, albeit short, rebuttal to trying to make everything edgy for the sake of edgy where it doesn't belong.

everything else its absolute ass.

who the fucking enjoyed doomsday clock genuinely, its a fucking comedy of errors in every step.

injustice is dogshit and hilarious by no means a good story in any sense, just a tie in with little to no sense.

hush HAHAHAHAHAHA

new 52 justice league, flashpoint, kings wonder woman, three jokers c'mon.

you can't land a single good page in those writing wise, art is good in bits but there's no synergy they are just praised in bits because the artists tried real hard to make them look good.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:41:35 PM No.149423776
>>149423567
This is a fair list actually. I personally storngly agree with White Knight and What's so funny being there
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:42:49 PM No.149423790
you dense motherfucker
you dense motherfucker
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>>149423265 (OP)
>3 Jokers and The Green Lantern
Those ain't shit compared to stuff like Civil War and OMD. Both of which sold crazy amounts of money although OMD strung people along until the final issue showed them what it was really about and is since universally hated. People need to look at comics that actually have a negative impact. Also address bad habits and trends that continue to turn people off. Some comics nobody cares about isn't the problem.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:49:51 PM No.149423873
>>149423567
even a broken clock, I guess
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:51:16 PM No.149423894
>>149423567
I think COIE is the only one on that list I think is fine. What's So Funny is just ok. The rest deserve to be on that list or a worse list, so kudos to CBR for doing this, even if it might be AI generated.

I kind of wonder what their Marvel list would be
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:51:29 PM No.149423900
>>149423762
This. It's a mid word.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:54:43 PM No.149423940
>>149423774
>who the fucking enjoyed doomsday clock genuinely, its a fucking comedy of errors in every step.
I liked it
>injustice is dogshit and hilarious by no means a good story in any sense, just a tie in with little to no sense.
the sequel comic is good
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:56:51 PM No.149423984
>>149423265 (OP)
I hate Tom Taylor, I know that cocksucker browses here.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 10:59:35 PM No.149424025
>>149423265 (OP)
Tom Taylor is a fag
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:00:36 PM No.149424042
>>149423265 (OP)
They are right though. Superman Legacy was lame. Once the WB shilling is done, it will be seen as bad as TFA.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:00:40 PM No.149424043
>>149423894
Civil War
Secret Invasion
Dan Slott's entire tenure on Spider-Man
Hickman's Avengers/Secret Wars
The Ultimates
Captain Marvel (forma de Carol)
Bendis's body of work
Jed McKay's body of work
Aaron's Thor
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:01:08 PM No.149424054
>>149423472
It's very easy to forget given his current output, but he wrote Superior Iron Man.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:01:36 PM No.149424060
>>149423472
Which is funny because Injustice is only remembered for Memes. The story itself was ass.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:02:37 PM No.149424073
>>149423567
Calling these comics mid is a compliment
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:03:03 PM No.149424079
>>149423333
Witnessed
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:03:52 PM No.149424090
>>149423567
I would replace COIE and Whatโ€™s so Funnh with Dark Crisis and most any new 52 Superman story. Otherwise spot on.
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:06:09 PM No.149424121
>>149423567
Iโ€™m glad people are finally accepting Batman White Knight as bad.

DC kept pushing that awful alternate universe for so long.
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Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:07:09 PM No.149424137
>>149423472
Injustice is kinda impressive because of how well he managed to hold shit together while operating under like 5483728 mandates and restrictions.

Like he actively was not allowed, point blank, to actually have things de-escalate or succeed, and was told to basically somehow find a way to explain why this bullshit didn't get stopped by the like dozen different things that would fuck any "Evil Superman" Scenario right in the face. The man basically had to write dozens of issues knowing he actively was not allowed to have any of his plots have any pay off and still managed to have some fun with it.

With that said DCeased where he was just allowed to basically do whatever he wanted so long as it sold well was way, way fucking better that Injustice since it's just "Imagine if Marvel Zombies was actually good, instead of just being Kirkman's cumrag for his goreporn fapsessions."
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:09:24 PM No.149424167
>>149424121
And all it took was ex-convict Batman becoming the stepdad of Jokerโ€™s sons
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:09:34 PM No.149424171
>>149423372
the furry porn guys are going to make the most money tho

>>149423630
>>149423567
these are all pretty solid choices for the most awful DC runs of the past whatever

COIE is both the solution to DC's long-running attempts to rationalize its terrible continuity problems and the cause of so many subsequent terrible reboots, including New 52, which the major titles (GL and Batman) didn't even bother to acknowledge because they had writers who knew they'd get away with ignoring the line-wide reboot in every meaningful way

the problem with COIE isn't just that it's Wolfman and Perez aping Moore, it's that it's the lazy get-out clause that DC has used too many times since to the point that you know there's no purpose even pointing out plot holes because the whole thing will be wiped away (and replaced with all-new plot holes a la Flashpoint etc)

Three Jokers is at the other end of the spectrum where even a poorly-intentioned and badly-written title could have had a great impact but just became a wet fart, and it took like a year to finish for no reason
Anonymous
7/16/2025, 11:11:18 PM No.149424197
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>>149423674
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:02:27 AM No.149424782
>>149423265 (OP)
>Would harsher/more critical criticism of established writers work lead to better comics?
I don't know, but I think mainstream cape comics might have been in a healthier place if we didn't acclaim writers for breaking the toys, for doing 'everything you know is wrong' shock stories, deconstructionism, or stuff that's just deliberately transgressive or inappropriate sexual stuff with characters meant for children. And if we didn't acclaim stories because an important character died.

A huge amount of the 'acclaimed' comics from the Big 2 are doing stuff like that, and a lot of the rest are just acclaimed because they're addressing IRL social or political issues in an approved way.

Also, the casuals actually acclaiming event stories and treating them like they're good because some retarded status quo change happened and it's impact was felt for years,

The types of cape comics that actually get acclaimed basically encourages writers to go full retard, full woke or full edgelord just to get noticed, and nobody wants to write a 'normal' run on a book anymore, they want every story to be a big important event that gives them a permanent legacy on the book.