Tim Drake is a completely useless character

>>149423664 (OP)
>Batman and Batfam characters are completely useless characters

You know as obnoxious as Timfags were, they didn't deserve that.

>>149423664 (OP)
For a while Tim had his place but Damian really made him redundant and less popular. Getting uprooted and overshadowed by the new kid in and out of universe.

>>149423664 (OP)
Especially now that Duke Thomas is banging Steph.

>>149423682
Nope

Assfucking is a sin you can’t fix.

>>149423789
Does Duke still exist? I get a feeling he's part of the "extended" Bat-family of characters?

Tim ironically has the most different personality from the other Robins, but feels redundant only as he has nothing to really specialize in (and I don't just mean "be the detective" one.)

>>149424142
>Dick
Cocky little shit
>Jason
Punk brat then, futur sociopathe now
>Tim
Jerk and know-it-all
>Damian
Entitled nepo baby

I don't see how. Their only common trait is being insecure thanks to Batman being a shit mentor and a void.

>>149423732
He's still one of the more popular DC character.

>>149424419
In that the other Robins are more natural extroverts and Tim was, classically, more introspective. Thought a lot of that has changed.
Tim for the longest time was the least confident in his abilities.

>>149424580
How much of that is just Tim lucking out by being the first Robin with a long run that actually focused on him? As opposed to Dick who was a self insert and a pure extension of Batman, or Jason whose run was cut short because the writer in charge didn't want to use Robin. They all devolve into "woe me Am I a good Robin, Batman" when they get revisited nowaday and since Batman is the ultimate poochie it seems it's inevitable and the only route DC can take.

>>149424112
He was in that shitty Power Company one-shot a few months back.

>he decides to pass on the Robin name and branch out to a new heroic name and mantle like how Dick became Nightwing
>just calls himself Red Robin
For being the “Smart One” of the Robins he’s fucking dumb at naming.

>>149423664 (OP)
>Be me
>Wake up too fucking early
>See >>149417381 shitting on Tim Drake
>Go to wagie cube farm
>Fuck around all day
>Finally get home
>This thread exists
Just like Batman and Robin, hate for Tim Drake is eternal.

>>149423664 (OP)
Remove him from bat family,give him amnesia,dip him in mutagen,have him grow wings and go study at a law school.
Relaunch him as Tim Drakeman attorney at law

>>149424580
Tim was like that for his first 14 years. He's been an obnoxious overhyped shit for 23.
>World's Greatest Robin TM
>The Smart One
They should have killed him a decade ago.

>>149425002
The mantle already came with a name from another universe's Dick(or maybe it was it Jason for this particular Red Robin)
Also he didn't pass, Dick sort of fired him in absentia

>>149423664 (OP)
All Robins except Dick are superfluous & only exist because Denny O'Neil thought Batman should be a loner & that Robin was "too kiddy"

Batman debuted in Detective Comics # 27, Dick debuted in Detective Comics # 38. Batman barely got 11 issues, less than a year of story before the creators decided: "O.K. this guy needs sometimes to spice him up." It's even more egregious when you realize those first few issues he was sharing a magazine with other pulp heroes so if you added up all of his pages its actually more like he got 3 issues of story before they had to come up with Robin, and as soon as they did? He immediate skyrockets in popularity, gets his own title, and a film serial adaption of the adventures of Batman AND Robin going on to become one of the most iconic and popular fictional characters of all time across all forms of media. Batman has always needed a Robin, and that Robin has been Dick Grayson.

The truth is the reason they came up with Jason is Robin was too popular to go back to being just Batman's sidekick. After they took him out of the main book he teamed up with Batgirl in Batman Family and also started leading his own team in Teen Titans as well as going through a Wolverine-esque area where they paired him up with every superhero inder the sun as a marketing gimmick: "Superman & Robin, Wonder Woman & Robin, etc." by the time O'Neil's run was winding down and the suits realized Batman needed a Robin Dick had proved he had the chops to be his own hero maintaining his own title and so they turned him into Nightwing and came up with Jason so he didn't have to regress. The problem was this offended everyone because even if Nightwing was cool no one thought another character could fill Dick's boots which is why Jason ultimately had to be killed off and why every Robin since has been some combination of Mary Sue or Gimmick Diversity Hire. They only ever exist because Batman needs a Robin but Dick is too popular to be "just a sidekick."

>>149424142
It doesn't help that his origin is some DeviantArt OC nonsense that they only got away with because it was the height of 90's cringe and everyone REALLY wanted a Robin back and were willing to take whatever they gave them

>>149425451
Yeah, Tim should have been really pissed off at Bruce and Dick.
>Bruce's psycho babymomma drops of his psycho crotchspawn
>Damian immediately tries to kill him
>Bruce just kinda shrugs and is fine with it
>Bruce gets isekai'd
>Dick takes over and declares Damian the new Robin
Imagine your mentor and your friend immediately abandoning you to bend over backwards to wipe the ass of a narcissistic psycho who wants to kill you because he's insecure.

>>149424419
It's really quite something that every "improvement" they e made over the pre-crisis dynamic has been a disaster for the character. Batman should be a good mentor with a healthy relationship with his Batfam. The edgy shit got stale almost as soon as it hit the shelves.

>>149425723
>intelligent and obsessive latch-key kid figures out Robin's identity through the power of internet autism by comparing acrobatic styles
Tim's backstory is hardly DeviantArt OC nonsense.

>>149425696
>as well as going through a Wolverine-esque area where they paired him up with every superhero inder the sun as a marketing gimmick: "Superman & Robin, Wonder Woman & Robin, etc."
I've never heard of this, and I read what I thought was every E1 Dick Grayson appearance.
https://dcuguide.com/w/Robin_(Dick_Grayson)_Chronology
Which issues are you talking about?

He had the best costume however

>>149425723
>It doesn't help that his origin is some DeviantArt OC nonsense that they only got away with because it was the height of 90's cringe
You're thinking of pic related because you're not describing Tim at all.

>>149423664 (OP)
He was alright in New Adventures.

>>149425696
O’Neil didn’t ship Down co off to college, that was Frank Robbins under Julius Schwartz’s editorial. O’Neil wasn’t interested in using Robin, but he’d have no say in editorial decisions until the mid-80s

>>149425723
Tim’s backstory is convenient, but more boy’s adventure than 90s edge. He’s like a boy’s detective book character, 90s is more being a super elite fighter or having some government organization involved.

>>149426085
*ship Dick off to college, fuck it too late to delete and repost now

>>149423925
>Nope

>>149423732
All superheroes are redundant you stupid faggot. All characters in all stories are redundant.

>>149425035
damifag spam isn't news

>>149427007
Why are Timfags so angry all the time?

>>149425764
> Have literally dozens of stories where they go out of their way to "prove" Bruce Wayne couldn't be Batman because addressing the obvious: "Well of course it's him." elephant in the room ruins the entire story much like Clark's glasses
> "O.K. but this ONE GUY does figure it out, but no one else ever will, just go with it, trust me bro, it's totally going to get good after this just go along with it."
No.

>>149423664 (OP)
Tim should be the permanent Robin (who evolves into a more mature role akin to Red Robin when he’s older), and Damian Wayne should get a new identity. The demon spawn or something, and grow up to be teenage Leo

>>149424049
This.

You don’t come back from getting fucked in the ass. You people are discussing a dead character.

>>149427258
>Why are Timfags so angry all the time?
He got replaced as Robin by an obnoxious character that somehow stuck around. Nobody at DC ever really had any good idea of what to do with him after wasn't Robin anymore, so he's either redundant and unused, or they throw dumb ideas at the wall and see if something sticks, and now some degenerate fujo worked her way into DC and turned him gay.

It's over, there's no coming back from that. Why wouldn't they be angry?

>>149427537
Now Timfags finally know how Dickhads feel.
>>149427407
They need to just trash everybody except Bruce, Alfred, Dick, and Barbara.

>>149427577
Agreed, but it’s such a perfect dynamic for a team. Make the Robins a team and send them to a new city. They can take Cassandra and Stephanie with them. Nightwing is closest to Bruce, so he’d still visit Gotham, but the other Robins would become more accustomed to their new lives. Much like relatives and friends in real life

>>149427718
>>149427577
You got wish in the Red Hood run, and it looks like trash.

Is his name actually Red Robin

>>149427577
>They need to just trash everybody except Bruce, Alfred, Dick, and Barbara.
Generally agreed, but I'm fine with Dick eventually growing up and becoming Nightwing, and with Jason then Tim as replacement Robins, but there's no need for any 'Bat Family' past that point, none of the garbage OCs, especially the tryhard ones, and we're also better off with no Tim than gay Tim.

Red Hood, Huntress and Spoiler as other characters who work in Gotham but aren't part of Batman's crew was fine, too.

>>149423664 (OP)
Tim need to graduate from being a Robin already. But the sad reality is that whenever Tim graduate from being a Robin, he still have the Robin in his name.

>>149427877
Yeah but there has to be some progression eventually. Are they just going to remain in the same specific time period of their career for eternity? When do we get to my nigga Terry McGinnis

>>149423664 (OP) (OP)
Tim need to graduate from being a Robin already. But the sad reality is that whenever Tim graduate from being a Robin, he still have the Robin in his name or is an evil Batman.

>>149427969
Terry was already getting fucked over by the cartoon because Timm loves cuckoldry. There is no reason for Terry to show up in the mainline comics.

>>149428010
There is plenty of reasons for Terry to show up in the mainline comics. It's so that they can fuck over Terry again whenever Terry appears in a non-Beyond show/book.

>>149427969
>Yeah but there has to be some progression eventually.
No there doesn't. You're meant to eventually outgrow it, it's not supposed to progress to Batman retiring or dying.

>Are they just going to remain in the same specific time period of their career for eternity?
Yes. Those are the characters that matter.

>When do we get to my nigga Terry McGinnis
In his own spinoff set in a possible future, same as he originally worked. You're not meant to have time progression in present day Batman comics until you get to him.

>>149428040
Fair enough. I just think a cyberpunk future would be so metal. Have the current Justice League replace the Justice Society as the resident geezers, and start fresh. Add Black Manta Beyond to the future Justice League, add a Czarnian, a Red Lantern, something different

>>149425839
no he's definitely thinking about tim lmao

>>149423664 (OP)
Not as useless as cassandra cain aka gookgirl

>>149425696
> this offended everyone and that's why there is less than 100 votes between the two camp
Nice psyop but just say Dickfags instead next time. Most confessions online are like "DC massively advertized you could kill Robin and I wanted to see if they would commit". The problem was there was a poll because fanboys now turned writers were ashamed to like and write kid slop.
Very few, if no, character vould survive a poll like that today. Hell, back then Jason was an easy target since he was new. But if Babs hadn't been fridged because she's that irrelevant, she wouldn't have survived that poll either. Tim wouldn't have survived a poll in his ealry years. He wouldn't survive it now. Since the biggest Dick haters are amongst Batfags today, there a good chance that neither would Dick.

>>149430014
Forgot to mention Damian, but he obvioulsy wouldn't survive a poll either. Back then or now.

>>149427577
Dick, Barbara and Tim are really all we need when it comes to Batfamily. Jason can show up from time to time as Batfamily's frenemy and maybe we can have Steph as Tim's gf. That's it. The rest can kindly fuck off.
Especially Cassandra Cain with her stupid 90's gimmick.

>>149427577
>Bruce, Alfred,Dick and Babs
> a poochie, his character satellite, someone else for poochie to bounce off or argue with and a token.
Grim but fitting.

>>149427877
Nightwing is cool but he's the problem that leads to everything else. It always comes down to not wanting to take that away from Dick which opens the floodgates. Honestly I'm not too interested in keeping him separated from the family in Bludhaven and having Batman and Nightwing as a duo isn't as satisfying as just having Batman and Robin. Dick should be Robin and then it closes the door to everyone else except Barbara.

I still think we should just "redistribute" all the grown up Batkids to different cities and have them operate there on their own to clean up some air. Nightwing stays in Bludhaven, Babsgirl goes to her home city of Chicago, Tim goes to some other Whateverthefuckville and then we have Batman operating solo and everybody's happy. Oh, and make Babs Batwoman, because it's not as if DC is doing anything with Kate Kane, might as well give the mantle to a character the fans like.

>>149423664 (OP)
Tim has literally nothing going for him to set him apart from the rest of the Robins. He's not the OG like Dick, he's not the dead one that got better like Jason, he's not the female one like Steph and he's not the one that's actually from Bruce's balls like Damian, literally what does he have?

>>149430682
He's the smart, nerdy one... which means he clashes with Barbara Gordon a lot.
Gotham Knights shows it the best, when Tim was just reduced to being "the kid" of the team, because Babs took over the story as the "team nerd".