why is /co/ so strongly against this happening?

>>149428607 (OP)
Because trying to rush through all the build up needed to make shared universes work to catch up to marvel is a big reason the first go at this ended so poorly

>>149428675
Kek I thought they were taking it slow? Why would they rush shit again.

>>149428607 (OP)
Pattern recognition.

>>149428688
I'm answering OPs questions anon

>>149428607 (OP)
You know Reeves and HIS Batverse wouldn't have this problem if he had gotten off his ass and made his fucking sequel movie by now.

The Batman 2 should have happened a year ago. It should have happened TWO years ago. Now Gunn's universe has hit the scene and it's bumping uncomfortably into Reeves' universe, which wouldn't be the case if Reeves' universe was already two movies in. Two good movies doing well at the box office would probably be enough to convince WB to leave Reeves and his movies alone.

But we don't have two movies. We have ONE movie and now a new shared universe that seems poised to eat the second movie like a vampire. And nobody's to blame for it but Reeves' own slow ass.

>>149428689
>Pattinson Recognition

>>149428607 (OP)
Because OP you're retarded. Just because you saw one thing, you and others are somehow incapable of imagining something different. The Batman can be its own self-contained project. We're getting a new Batman for the DCU, and that's fine.

>>149428689
they don't need to fight

>>149428607 (OP)
I'm not.

The Batman was never made with the intent to be a part of the new DCU. Just accept that. You know what else wasn't supposed to be part of a larger franchise? Man of Steel. Don't try to fit a square peg in a round hole. Learn from past mistakes

>>149428607 (OP)
Nigga Superman teased the Batman being canon. Why this making pajeets butt hurt?

>>149428780
Gunn keeps telling you you're wrong.

Can't they just age up Pattinson and just do two separate films involving him?

>>149428607 (OP)
because reeves entire concept is grounded and not the fantastic gotham thath ave super villains
hell you people only care about pattinson for your gay fantasies without understanding how mixing that with fantastic beings hurt his vision.

Unironically I think shared universes are overdone at this point and letting Batman, The be its own thing is more interesting than fusing it with another movie series.
Also Batman's roster of Gotham villains just doesn't stack up once you put him in a Justice League context where he can call on serious heavy hitters for backup. The only exception is maximum wank Joker.

>>149428707
one movie + penguin
dude is fine also he was ill before

>>149428607 (OP)
Because Batman shouldn't be almost 10 years older than Superman

>>149428780
>Nigga Superman teased the Batman being canon
How so? What did I miss?

>>149428719
>We're getting a new Batman for the DCU
Who would you cast for the Gunn-verse?

What happens if DCU Batman ends up being more beloved by audiences? Wouldn’t that mean Reeves’ Batman might get sidelined or canned, like what happened with Superman & Lois? And on the flip side, if DCU Batman underperforms compared to Battinson’s, wouldn’t it make more sense to just bring him into the DCU? Just put Edward in your universe already, Gunn.

>>149428866
Yup

>>149428607 (OP)
The Batman was terrible. I hear penguin was good, but making Batman so inconsistent was just stupid.

>>149428707
>he actually thinks Reeves took five years to write a script
>he doesn't realize Zaslav told Reeves to put everything on hold until they relaunch the movie universe so they can see if Batman is going to be integrated into it or kept separate
>he thinks the fact Reeves "finally finished the script" five days before Superman was a coincidence
Anon..

>>149428972
Matt Reeves doesn't need three films. He's not some star quarterback with a play or pay deal, he's not due millions if they don't make a sequel or even don't make a third movie.
Ditto RPatz.

>>149428707
It would be better off for Matt's pitched trilogy if we had a second movie and the penguin by now, since we'd be talking about the third movie right now, not a delayed second.

But then again it would have been better off if they had made George Millar's Mortal, or Ryan Reynolds had been in the funny Wally West Flash movie he wanted to make, instead of being shoe-horned into a rewritten GL movie, or if WB shit-canned the Cult Leader after MoS and BvS underperformed, instead of letting him rush into production with JL, or even if they never hired him at all.

Shoulda Woulda Coulda

>>149428860
Life is already aging up Pattinson, dude is looking old as hell

>>149429099
Huh. Interesting. So you think there's plans for a World's Finest movie?

>>149428904
News headline in the background talking about Gotham being flooded.

wb/dc absolutely sucks at shared universes
say what you will about the mcu
they at least got the shared universe thing right

>>149428901
Affleck is 10 years older than Cavill.

>>149429856
youre only proving his point

>>149429830
>they at least got the shared universe thing right
Did they though? They dragged Sonyshit in for no fucking reason.

>>149429830
The issue is recently they have gone to far and now their movies feel like extended episodes in a show instead of proper movies.

>>149428607 (OP)
They are completely different and don’t work together.

>>149428607 (OP)
Because The Batman is the worst detective with no gadgets and gets his ass kicked constantly.

He would be completely useless in the Gunnverse

>>149428707
Reeves has been going through some personal stuff. Some believe it is cancer related (either for him or someone close to him).

>>149428607 (OP)
Reeves Batman doesn’t even know Spanish. How is he going to be help for Gunn Superman?

>>149430067
>Because The Batman is the worst detective with no gadgets and gets his ass kicked constantly.
Superman got his ass kicked constantly in James gunn movie.
>He would be completely useless in the Gunnverse
Same universe where two canon autistics stopped an alien invasion.

Gritty Batman doesn't work if Gotham is in the same country where Green Lantern and Superman operate.
Gritty Batman works if he's the only mentally ill schizo doing what he does.

>no, the opposite can work
yes, with 20 years of buildup maybe.

>>149430273
>Superman got his ass kicked constantly in James gunn movie.
By his clone, super soldiers, and Kaiju. All of which would turn Reeves Batman into red just in a second.
>Same universe where two canon autistics stopped an alien invasion.
Mr Terrific is smart enough to build hyper advanced machines, lasers, and flying chairs.

Reeves Batman doesn’t even know Spanish and needed Penguin’s help. He couldn’t even stop Riddler from flooding Gotham for crying out loud.

Reeves Batman would be useless in the Gunnverse. What’s he going to do against Zod of Darkseid?

And if Superman needs someone smart, he can use Mr Terrific.

Reeves Batman in the Gunnverse is the equivalent of Superman teaming up with Pheonix Jones.

>>149430308
Good morning sir

>>149430273
he defeats a swarm of iron man clones, probably a hundred of them, in literally less than 20 seconds

>>149428689
>>149428707
The pattern is worse this time because of the tone clash between them
The only real way to make them mesh together is using a conspiracy angle to reveal Gotham's elites are covering up evidence of superheroes, even as these events happen in the town right next to them

>>149430489
Or just make Pattinson serve 2 different Universes. I mean, people are familiar with the Multiverses now.

Pattinson's Batman isn't really smart enough to contribute anything meaningful to other superheroes.

>>149428901
Pattinson is barely 6 years older than corenswet

>>149430524
People also have things called memories, so they can remember which universe Battinson is from
Unlike you, Goldfish

>>149430273
>Superman got his ass kicked constantly in James gunn movie.
He lost once to Ultraman, flew back to Metropolis at 83% strength or whatever they said and Kryptonite is the only other thing that hurt him. He tanked the giant monster and won against the Engineer and Ultraman with the odds stacked.

>>149429440
They should make the George Miller JLA as a cartoon or something

Because in the Batman there's "no way the Riddler could be named Edward Nygma, that doesn't happen in real life". While in Superman, Lex Luthor made a pocket universe to house his cyber monkeys and imprison people he doesn't like.

>>149429883
>They dragged Sonyshit in for no fucking reason.
Oh, I’ve got your reason. It’s because Tom Holland’s Spider-Man fucking sucks.

>>149428607 (OP)
Because I'm tired of capeslop and hope it all dies.

>>149428607 (OP)
So Batman encountering Solomon Grundy or a Mr Freeze that use sci fi tech is "too unrealistic", but not a superpowered alien?

>>149430715
cry harder for me, nigger

>>149430715
Hey dipshit, you’re not on /tv/. Why are you even fucking here? Are you one of /co/‘s resident tranime pedos?

>>149428607 (OP)
Battinson doesn't fit in the new universe

>>149429830
For five movies. They were barely connected at the start and Phase 2 began sinking the ship. The box office was impressive, not much else

>>149430754
>you’re not on /tv/
Could have fooled me with the complete lack of comics and or cartoons in this thread.

I just think its a bad clash of tones.

I'm a nerd so I can accept "Elseworlds" AND I can accept a grim & gritty detective Batman standalone movie one year and then getting a Neal Adams adventure movie team-up with Superman the next year.

I know normies are so retarded but is it truly impossible to get them to wrap their heads around the concept of "Elseworlds"?

Isn't Batman the safest most understandable character to at least attempt a cinematic Elseworlds with?

>>149431527
>I know normies are so retarded but is it truly impossible to get them to wrap their heads around the concept of "Elseworlds"?
It's not that they don't get different universes, it's that they don't care. People are tired of doing homework for movies or attaching to an actor's performance and then being presented another at the same time.

>>149431952
>attaching to an actor's performance and then being presented another at the same time

I think this is the actual biggest problem.

Pattinson has a fandom and his Batman was mostly well-liked. Even if they allow Reeves' Batman to be an Elseworlds, it bothers the portion of the audience that would want to see a Pattinson - Corenswet teamup

>>149429830
they did the exact same thing, except it was new at the time. Avengers 1 happened with no solo movies for two of the main cast and a dubious-canon film for one

>>149432230
I think fanboys have a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that while normies like these characters for the characters, they also get very attached to the actors playing them at a given time(at least when done well)
We see it as a non-issue when they can just plug-in another Batman, but normies think "what about the Batman I already know?"

>>149430308
>>149432438

I think they kind of have to go with Pattinson as Batman in Gunn's DCU

To explain the tone shift, I think they need to do a timeskip with The Batman II and establish The Batman I as taking place before Superman came onto the scene.

It still doesn't gel with the "300 years of metahumans" that Gunn has created but if they treat The Batman I as pre-Superman / pre-Waller having government metas, it might work.

Also, if it releases Oct 2027, that will be 5 years since the first movie. That's *more* time than between The Dark Knight and TDK Rises which itself had a timeskip.

I don't know what Reeves was planning to do, but if Part 2 was supposed to pick up immediately after Part 1, I just don't think its feasible anymore.

Use the flooding of Gotham to establish its setting as a criminal shithole.

Jump ahead a few years: establish that the flooding has hardened Batman and Gotham is a mess to the outside world and Batman is too distant and "works alone"... which would naturally set up a Robin story.

>>149428607 (OP)
The Batman sucked ass. It was overly long, boring, and the person who is supposed to be a Sherlock Homes tier detective was written like a moron that didn't understand basic concepts.

>>149428607 (OP)
This particular image really highlights how much both of those logos SUCK.

>>149428675
>trying to rush through all the build up needed to make shared universes work to catch up to marvel
The thing about the MCU, in retrospect, is you realize how much of it was just hype. The movies themselves kinda sucked. Out of the first wave, the only genuinely good films were Iron Man and Captain America. Even The Avengers itself is a fairly boring movie outside of the hype bubble of finally seeing these heroes interact after having it teased for literal years. I genuinely think people wouldn't tolerate something like the MCU today, even if it were done with the same relative quality—which is to say, one or two good movies and a bunch of dreck that just teases and references things while not actually being worth watching on their own merit.

The MCUs biggest success was that Iron Man was a home run. That's it. It was the foundation that got people interested. DC didn't have that with Man of Steel, but it arguably has it now with Superman. So I think they should just roll with it. We've already disproven the meme that audiences won't connect to characters unless they all have a completely boring, pointless origin film by themselves. It was always weird to me that was the lesson people took from the MCU, when most of the origin movies were fucking rubbish, and then characters like Hawkeye became fan favorites despite not having origin movies.

>>149432438
Batman is recast constantly, people only watch it for the villains.
Gunn needs to work on setting up better villains for DC, and not just keep reusing Luthor and Joker. And please no more Goodwill-coat bombers like the last 4 Batman movies.

>>149432646
>is you realize how much of it was just hype. The movies themselves kinda sucked.

>>149432646
>and then characters like Hawkeye became fan favorites

>>149432646
>>149432664
GOTG was good. The first Iron Man was good. The first Captain America was fine (always wanted something more visually epic from Joe Johnston)

Thor sucked
Iron Man 2 sucked

>>149432650
>Batman is recast constantly
yeah every 5-10 years, when they're done making movies with the old one

>>149430618
Edward Nashton was also used in the comics, by goddamn Neil Gaiman, of all people

>>149432664
Iron Man 2, Thor, and Hulk were objectively shit. The Avengers is a slog that takes 40 minutes before anything even begins to happen. The entire first phase is upheld by only two movies, and even Captain America is pretty jank in the latter half. Without Iron Man, the whole thing would have been DOA.

Second phase wasn't any better. Thor 2 double-sucked. Iron Man 3 triple-sucked. Winter Soldier is praised just for being slightly subversive, the same way a squeeze of lemon might be the best thing you've ever tasted after drinking gallons of plain water. GOTG was decent, but then Age of Ultron was another huge fart.

The MCU is mostly stinkers by volume. It just had a stellar launch, and it got people invested like a soap opera. But much like a soap opera, people don't watch because the stories are actually good—it just turns into the sunk cost fallacy of needing to see what happens to these characters after spending several years watching them. The Fast and Furious movies are basically the same thing, if you're latino.

>>149432683
Okay, zoom zoom. I was old enough to actually be in the theater in 2011. People loved the guy who just showed up with arrows.

>>149430489
I like the tone clash though.

>>149432999
yeah, the tone clash is kind of the point with Batman and Superman. I think, again, people got way too used to the MCU homogonizing everything into bland, gray slop where every movie felt the same as every other.

>>149432999
Same, I'd love to see this Superman having to work with the antisocial goth freak Patterson Batman. There would be a genuine contrast of personalities there as opposed to BvS where they were both angsty stoic manly dudes

>>149428607 (OP)
Please domt rush this

>>149428607 (OP)
>why is /co/ so strongly against this happening?
It's not that /co/ is against it, it's that Reeves and DC have very explicitly said that The Batman is not meant to be canon to anything and it is it's own distinct continuity. This is literally the same kind of bullshit happening about people insisting that The Joker was canon to the DCEU, despite that both Phoenix and Phillips confirmed numerous times otherwise.

Nobody's against it, we're all just tired of people who refuse to take the facts that have been laid out and insist on something that they have confirmed by the people making these projects will not happen otherwise.

>>149433683
Directors, actors, and producers say shit all the time that turns out not to be true once studios start throwing money around. At the end of the day, they'll get behind whatever WB pays them to get behind.

>>149433921
>Directors, actors, and producers say shit all the time that turns out not to be true once studios start throwing money around

Some do, not all. Others have artistic integrity. Reeves seems to have it and I even recall Pattinson insisting that if they tried something like a shared universe with The Batman he'd walk. And with that guy, I believe it.

>>149432999
>>149433453
The problem isn't the tone, the problem is Gunn's universe has established that metahumans have existed for 300 years now. You're telling me that blowing up a whole section of a city and flooding half the city wouldn't call the attention of any metahumans? It's very clear there are no metahumans in The Batman's world. There's no real hand waving that away like you have to do for Batman not to have intervened in The Penguin at all, it just doesn't work.

>>149434000
That's the exact same kind of shit that happens in comic books all the time—some crazy fucking nonsense goes down in Gotham that should have absolutely attracted Superman or Green Lantern or Martian Manhunter, but it doesn't. Because that's a solo Batman book. You... do read comics, don't you anon?

The longer a shared movie universe with metahuman heroes goes on, the more likely it's gonna eventually do something that contradicts something else. It's best to just get it out of the way. Yes, at some point, shit goes down somewhere on Earth, and Superman doesn't show up. That's the point of creating the Justice League in the first place. Heck, Gunn's Superman practically set that up with the Gang only going to sort out Israel/Palestine after being convinced to do so. And that was something they knew about and just didn't want to get involved. Imagine if something just happened out of nowhere. Getting mad because this or that hero "should have" shown up is just kind of retardo. The world's a big place.

>>149429737
That was an edit, retard.

>>149434000
>It's very clear there are no metahumans in The Batman's world.
Based on what?

Unless they like CG Pattinson to look 10 years older and explain a time jump, it's really weird than Batman is both lower tech and less experienced than the black science guy in Superman's own movie.

>>149433677
Yeah, we need at least two or three forgettable origin stories and an underwhelming sequel before we can get to a team up. Gotta drag this shit out FOREVER.

>>149430544
This, he's barely smart enough to deal with grounded versions of his own villains.

>>149428607 (OP)
Last time, it killed a whole franchise and let it linger on as a bad joke. If they let it happen now instead of building to it, everyone will realize that WB is creatively bankrupt (again).

>>149434215
>it's really weird than Batman is both lower tech and less experienced than the black science guy in Superman's own movie.
Mister Terrific is literally one of the smartest humans on the planet. Sometimes THE smartest. Bruce cannot compete with him or Luthor. They're in another class, entirely.

>>149434260
what does building to it mean? how much build up do we need for Batman and Superman to just have an adventure together? We know who Pattison Bats is and now we know the new Superman.

>>149434175
I get that you're retarded, but seriously there's plenty of examples in the comics where characters cross over even in solo titles. You do actually read comics, right? It all depends on the writer, I'm not even talking about heroes I’m talking general metahumans since even Batman’s solo comics has plenty.

And yet during The Penguin we’re supposed to believe not a single one got a blink-and-you-miss-it background mention? No metafreak crimes, no superpowered rescues, no whispered rumors? It’s a grounded world. Contrast that with Superman, where metahumans have been a known part of history for centuries it's obvious they exist and everyone knows they do, it's not even shocking when a kaiju shows up.

>>149434191
How about from Matt Reeves himself:

"If suddenly in the Batman world, you discovered that there was an alien that was Superman, there'd be a lot of shock. I mean, people would have to say, oh my God, and maybe that would be the one fantastical element. But to be honest with you, that is not the intention at this point, to figure out how to make that come."

So Reeves isn’t interested in shoving in aliens or metahumans. That’s the entire point of the grounded tone. But if you're the kind of retard who believes just because we don’t see them doesn’t mean they’re not there go ahead. While you're at it, imagine there’s also a loving dad waiting to pick you up from football practice in that same universe. Might as well go all in on bullshit.

>>149428972
Reeves Batman is a 'Batman Year One'/early years story (which is ironic since Pattinson is getting older all the time). DCU Batman is going to be older already doing it for awhile Bat Family Batman. The two takes are in different tonalities, different times in Batman's career, and offer two different things. Also you think Reeves is going to want to do Batman movies forever? He has a story to tell: 'The Epic Crime Saga' as he puts it. After that, I'm pretty sure he's gonna call it quits and the DCU Batman will be the long form comicbooky franchise.

it wont work. It doesn't work in the comics either they usually buff Bruce's abilities to keep up. Plus Pattison is way too grounded.

>>149428707
Reeves universe is basically dead. Pattison has aged out of young Batman. Nolan managed to give the audience what they wanted. Reeves is too slow.

>>149430077
Doesn't mean he can't write a script and hand it off to DC.

>>149432394
Black widow and hawkeye dont need solo films.

look at these ultrachads. anything else is a downgrade.

these guys were meant to exist in the same universe, gunnslop superman is forcing a square peg in Reeve's round hole

Anyone else annoyed these movies stopped trying to be epic. Now they all look like slop.

>>149428607 (OP)
Are we?

>>149435650
>Anyone else annoyed these movies stopped trying to be epic
exactly.

>>149435650
>Anyone else annoyed these movies stopped trying to be epic

lol, no. Why would I be annoyed that they're not trying to be slop?

>>149428607 (OP)
I just don't think Pattinson is a good pick for mainline Bruce. His Gotham is way too grounded/alternative compared to what Gunn has going for the DCU with Superman

>>149435758
superman looks like a car commercial with 200million budget. Looks worse than mortal kombat 90s movie.

>>149435704
Snyder did try at least.

>>149428675
the build up is already there. we already have the solo batman movie and we're likely gonna have another.
in fact, if The Batman 2 does do mud monster clayface it'll probably be a means of transitioning from gritty solo batman to the more fantastical DCU. while keeping the darker tone, of course.

>>149435650
>Anyone else annoyed these movies stopped trying to be epic.

No, because I was sick and tired of every WB movie trying to look like LOTR. The finale with the rift splitting the Earth and Superman fighting Black Noir was epic enough anyway.

>>149436111
you pick on snyder but then ignore all the great looking super hero movies of the past like batman 89/The Shadow/Spiderman 2. The Batman also looked good.

>>149435704
God Of War cutscenes look better than this shit, how come Snyder gets away with bad CGI

>>149434545
>And yet during The Penguin we’re supposed to believe not a single one got a blink-and-you-miss-it background mention? No metafreak crimes, no superpowered rescues, no whispered rumors?
Anon I get that Reeves' Batman isn't meant to have any superpowers in it, but that's a weak case. I can read a bunch of comics from the 80's-90's where they avoid mentioning other , powered superheroes while bad shit happens in gotham.

>>149436560
Wow, you can read? I'm proud of you. I can read a bunch of comics where they do mention each other. What I'm getting at that you're too dense to realize is Gunn mentions them freely, The Batman doesn't and its' not because it's a different writer it's because it's a different world where metahumans don't exist just as Reeves has stated plainly.

>>149436740
And all that means little because this is a corporate product and if someone higher on the totem pole wants a crossover, a crossover is happening. Whether it's ill-advised or not is a different story.

>>149435650
>>149435704
>dude no snyder wasn't slop
>post slop
lol lmao even

>>149436075
>if The Batman 2 does do mud monster clayface
They're not. They pretty explicitly said that Clayface is just going to be changing the shape of his face because it's fucked up. It's literally just gonna be a serial killer who can shape his face like it's clay. His name is gonna be a metaphor, not that he's literally made of clay like some formless blob-monster.

>>149436979
Where did they say that?

>>149435645
batfleck looks so fucking retarded

>>149437309
the brickhouse look is a male gaze fantasy and snyder is all about that.

>>149437309
he looks great

aesthetics wise he's both the best Bruce and the best Batman we've got.

>>149428607 (OP)
Because this Batman would die in Gunnverse within 5 minutes.

We need a brand new one, we finally get a chance to have a Batman that isn't grounded in reality and some people are losing their minds over it.

Do you guys ever read comics where Batman is an absolute unit in one of them and in another book he's just a guy who just adopted an orphan circus boy and is learning how to be a father figure? It will be like that, but with movies, ok? Jeez.

>>149437784
Normies are used to seeing things escalate in movies. People joke about how the fast and Furious moves went from hijacking trucks with VHS players to them driving in space, but those movies still make a bunch of money. Even the last ones that underperformed still made a lot of money.

>>149437784
>Do you guys ever read comics where Batman is an absolute unit in one of them and in another book he's just a guy who just adopted an orphan circus boy and is learning how to be a father figure? It will be like that, but with movies, ok? Jeez.
but doesn't everyone hate that

>>149435654
OP is full of shit, don't worry about it, no one else is.

>>149435645
>blah blah blah
>look at how small my penis is
>just look

>>149437745
>blah blah blah
>yeah, it's still dinky and rinky
>soooo soooo small

What's hilarious to me is that Hollywood ALREADY has a cautionary tale, a recent one, about what happens when you take too long to make another movie in a franchise.

Pic fucking related. Remember when Daniel Craig was supposed to be "young" and "inexperienced" as James Bond? That lasted for two movies, really one movie (Casino Royale) and a mishmash that's not quite a full film (Quantum of Solace). Then, because of the writers' strike at the time, Eon Productions kept taking longer and longer to make the third Craig film.

By the time they finally got around to it, more than five years had passed, and Craig had aged like shit. They were forced to start doing stories where Craig was a creaky old veteran Bond, starting with Skyfall, then with Spectre, and then with No Time To Die where they unceremoniously killed him off.

Craig's era of Bond never felt right, in part because it started with them trying to do one thing--a young, fresh, inexperienced Bond--and then them having to pivot to something totally different: an old, washed-up, wily veteran Bond. They don't fit together tonally.

And Reeves and Pattinson are about to do the same thing with their Batman universe, for the same reason: they've just taken too fucking long to make the next film.

>>149437745
>aesthetics wise he's both the best Bruce and the best Batman we've got

No, he's the worst.

>>149437441
>the brickhouse look is a male gaze fantasy and snyder is all about that.
In this case, when you say "male gaze fantasy" do you mean gay dudes? Because I'm a male and Batffleck looks just as stupid now as he did when it was first revealed.