Now that the dust has settled, which was the best superman adaptation?

>>149450788 (OP)
Returns > Superman > MOS

>>149450788 (OP)
>best attitude
>best costume
>actually made him warm towards civilians
>didn't make him a deadbeat dad and stalker towards Lois
>remembered to actually be colorful
>easily had the best Lex in a movie
>had him fight threats other than the environment or Zod and other Kryptonians
The Gunn version and you're flat out wrong if you think otherwise.

>>149450871
i dont like the tight collar or the tron lines but you're right about literally everything else.

>>149450788 (OP)
MOS>GunnMan>Returns

I can't in good faith say Returns is the worst when it gave us this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU7KzZY5PWg

>>149450871
>>best attitude
tru
>>best costume
tru
>>actually made him warm towards civilians
tru
>>didn't make him a deadbeat dad and stalker towards Lois
he was gone for 5 years, he didn't know. and he read the boy the Kryptonian rites signaling his acceptance of being a father. Him stalking Lois is interesting pathos Why can't Supes have some fucking character development
>>remembered to actually be colorful
tru
>>easily had the best Lex in a movie
Spacey was great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kiB80J1O7c
>>had him fight threats other than the environment or Zod and other Kryptonians
tru

>>149450972
The color is the one thing I don't like about the suit but it's otherwise by far my fave live-action suit and actually one of my favorite suits of his, period. Fuck it's so good and actually stylish.

Also has the yellow 'S' on the cape too for once.

>>149451052
>he was gone for 5 years, he didn't know. and he read the boy the Kryptonian rites signaling his acceptance of being a father. Him stalking Lois is interesting pathos Why can't Supes have some fucking character development
Eh, weird direction to take the character.

Also, the Gunn one has the best score between the three of them too. Probably going to go down as one of the best superhero movie scores ever.

>>149450788 (OP)
Superman TAS from 1996

Routh could have been a good Superman if he had a director who wasn't raping little boys and telling him to do a Christopher Reeve impression and nothing more. He knew how to be charming and funny when playing Ray Palmer.

>>149450788 (OP)
DCAU thank you bruce timm and paul dini

>>149451126
>The color
*collar my bad

>>149450788 (OP)

>>149450788 (OP)
STAS

>>149450788 (OP)
I like them all, but MOS is definitely last on any adaptation list.

Returns has the best Superman feats though with the plane and lifting an entire kryptonite island.

>>149450788 (OP)
Superman that doesn't have the underwear on the outside is instantly shit.

>>149451223
and a lex luthor who wasn't raping little boys

>>149451556
I don't usually mind Cavills suit, but seeing it next to the others and it just looks wrong.

>>149451556
Based

>>149451762
It's just ugly, and it makes the director come across as insecure when they do shit like this, that they think they can't make a movie that people take seriously unless they dull the color palette

>>149450871
>>best costume
>>149451052
>>>best costume
>tru

>>149451126
>>149450972

I'm not someone who is reflexively hating the new film because they are REEing about some cult restoration or Jor-El this or that or anything else, but the costume is the worse thing about Coronswet's Superman.

He looks good as Clark, in spite of the broccoli hair. Routh did an excellent reconstruction of the 1978 movie, which is what he was asked to do.

Henry really didn't get to play Clark and I was never fond of any of the versions of Hobo Clark he played in MoS and thought, for the three short bits that he was Clark Kent in BvS, that he was essentially playing someone too old to still be an intern, especially during 'strong handshake' bit with EisenLex. I doubt Snyder would have kept Clark around except as Lois boy toy or as Martha's son, in any scenes post his JL and in any future movies.

But all three of their suits have problems, and Coronswet's had the most. However, almost all of Gunn's costume choices for Supers or Villains, were MEH except for maybe the Hammer, probably because it was the only original one.

>>149451795
It fits the style of the film but outside of that it really is just ugly with no real consideration for what makes Supermans suit work.

>>149451795
It reminds of the black leather X-men suits and "Would you prefer yellow spandex." Fuck you movie.

I thought Gunn Supes was awesome performance and characterization wise except for Gunn's insistence on bringing him down the entire movie. The whole theme of the movie is about proving Supes' humanity and his willingness to keep going through it all, but he spends almost the entire movie getting his ass kicked. Almost every scene with Ultraman is like Luke Skywalker fighting Darth Vader in The Empire Strikes Back. When he finally took out the drones and won the fight, I wasn't thinking 'what a great fight', I was thinking 'well thank goodness that's over'.

>>149451839
Seeing people complement the new movie in any way makes me feel crazy. It was abysmal.

>>149451878
True, even without the ugly color, the lack of underwear makes him look like a dickless ken doll

Seeing people insult the new movie in any way makes me feel crazy. It was incredible.

>>149452015
That's the perfect description honestly. He just looks like an action figure.

>>149451795
I've been saying this for years. It's telling that the suit looked best in the theatrical version of JL where they brightened it the hell up.

>but the costume is the worse thing about Coronswet's Superman.
I disagree. Collar aside, it LOOKS like a Superman costume should be. The colors by themselves are on point. The lines break up the costume so it looks better in live-action without relying on weird texturing like the MoS suit or the Returns suit. I know superhero lines or whatever can be overdone to hell in movies but here it's not especially egregious. The 'S' shield is different and new, but familiar, seeing as how it's based on the Kingdom Come shield. It's also big, bold, and vibrant, like the shield should be, unlike the MoS' suit's muted colors or the Returns' shield being really small for some reason. It's also got the yellow 'S' on the cape too for once.

About the only things I'd change are the collar and the length of the cape, which I'd shorten to about the All Star Superman length.

But this still looks like it homages and adapts every version of Superman up to this point. It's a wonderful costume.

>>149452146
>It's also got the yellow 'S' on the cape too for once
>For once

>>149452146
Pick a lane: Nu-52 Collar or Trunks. NOT BOTH.

>>149450871
>lets tons of people get burned alive by a kaiju
>saves one retarded girl who was standing by its feet
>loses his first fight after 3 years and suddenly cant do anything on his own ever
>gets kicked in the balls as LGBT propaganda directly faces the camera in the baseball field

EYES UP HERE IM NOT MESSING AROUND IM DOING IMPORTANT STUFF LOL XD

>>149452380
>gets kicked in the balls as LGBT propaganda directly faces the camera in the baseball field
What are you talking about?

>>149450788 (OP)
Did Corenswet or Cavill have any scene even approaching the awesomeness of Routh stopping a bullet with his eye?

>>149452380
>EYES UP HERE IM NOT MESSING AROUND IM DOING IMPORTANT STUFF LOL XD
I hate that they made him talk like a redditor

>>149452440
He talks like a stereotypical nice guy boy scout from the 50s. Like how Superman should talk. The problem is with you.

>>149452478
>He talks like a stereotypical nice guy boy scout from the 50s.
He absolutely does not. He sounds way too online. And dorky in a bad way. It's even worse than MAWS superman.

>>149452427
I thought the scene where he spins around and lasers a bunch of guys was pretty cool. Also the scene where all the lex goons dogpile him and he spins really fast to throw them all off was silly, but in a way that's befitting of Superman

>>149452427
I liked the Cavill scene in BvS where Batmans punches become less and less effective as he regains his strength to the point that his head doesn't even move a milimeter and Batman has to back away in awe.

>>149452427
I liked the Cavill scene in BvS where Batmans punches become less and less effective as he regains his strength to the point that his head doesn't even move a milimeter and Batman has to back away in awe.
Or when the trucker pushes him in the diner and just bounces off him.

Not as awesome i nscale as stopping a bullet with your eye but it was fun seeing what happens if a regular person tries to mess with him.

>>149452582
I really hate that his laser vision is treated like Cyclops' laser vision. It should be like Homelander's; it should be cutting fuckers in half, not smacking them away.

>>149452668
I mean in gif related it's a bunch of humans in armored suits attacking and we see after they fall that he destroyed their suits with the laser

Has any live action Superman drill spin

The donner Superman

All the criticism of Returns is completely fair but the model train scene is still an exemplary piece of cinema.

hoechlin = corenswet > welling > routh > cavill

>>149451970
No one gives a fuck about capeshit today, you're talking to bots, marketing firms and culture warriors licking their wounds. It was obvious enough with MAWS.

>>149453527
MAWS sucks ass but it was still leagues better than this. Never thought I'd have anything nice to say about "tomboy" Lois Lane.

Returns 2/5
MOS 4/5
Superman 4/5

>>149452380
>gets kicked in the balls as LGBT propaganda directly faces the camera in the baseball field
Im begging you to see the sun

Gunn Superman is the superman from the comics i love the most
Snyder superman is a worse version of Reeves - both went with muh jesuchrist figure
Also Gunn gave me the best version of Lex in the big screen. That scene were he tracks that one dude that helped supes IS the Lex i love , the worst traits of humanity.

>>149452970
Why was this show so slept on?

>>149450788 (OP)
Which version of Superman?

>>149454216
When it came out, everybody was sick of the Arrowverse. Even if it wasn't oficially part of the Arrowverse, the brand was damaged beyond repair

>>149454402
Yeah, I kind of liked the Flash for a while but never really follow it long

>>149452146
Damn late as hell but I meant to quote >>149451839

>>149452221
Alright, I forgot about that shit. My bad.

>>149452253
I said what I said, bitch.

>>149452380
>lets tons of people get burned alive by a kaiju
>gets kicked in the balls as LGBT propaganda directly faces the camera in the baseball field
I see I'm talking to a literal retard here.

>>149451422
The one and only.

>>149454464
DEI Superman

>>149454576
You didn't even notice till someone pointed it out

>>149454582
Does it matter? If Lois & Clark aired today, the chuds would be furious.

>>149454691
Except it didn't and you're the one being a chode.

>>149454710
It was a different time. Of course chuds exist and they get angry with woke media but they didn't have anyone to share their anger so they keep quiet and try to follow the social norms. Then social media was invented and talking to a screen gave them the courage to release their anger and surprisingly they found other people that shared their views. They organized and that's how we got here today

>>149451839
too much penis bulge should be flat

>>149452830
>bunch of humans in armored suits
Those are robots, which is why they are KILL; if those were humans in suits, it would be murder, which this movie is not all about. Terrific did more actual body damage in his pursuit of where Superman had been taken in finding the pocket dimension prison.

>>149451970
The new movie was entertaining and technically proficient. Abysmal is a term you would apply to something like the 2005 FF, or to Madame Web, just keeping it to capeshit.

As a DC comics fan and as a Superman fan, I am disappointed in choices that this film made, but I would say the same thing about any other DC movie released since 1970, so including the original Donner film.

>>149452668
it's not like Cyclops' laser vision is any more consistent lmao

>>149450788 (OP)
>had to remove donner because then there wouldn’t even be a debate
Kek

>>149450788 (OP)
Snyder
if only because it wasn't afraid to be different and have big boy themes

>>149454576
>>149454464
Ironic that he’s also right wing

>>149455658
>youarebrownerthanIexpected.jpg

>>149454216
I just don’t buy that dude as Superman. He’s short and wears the most obvious padded muscle suits. Watching stand side-by-side by Routh in the CW Crisis on Infinite Earths event and getting absolutely mogged really drove that home.

>>149450788 (OP)
GunnMan > Returns > MOS
Synder's good at aesthetics, but doesn't respect the characters at all and at least Returns had a good Lex. Did Snyderman ever actually help anyone directly? He just did a product placement or a jesus comparison every 30 seconds and pretended he was being deep.

Too be fair, Cavill was clearly doing the best he could with what he was given.

>>149455605
They're soldiers in suits. After he lasers them there's a scene that shows them falling to the ground, groaning in pain and the suits disabled

>>149450788 (OP)
Corensweet.

I would say MOS if I lived in another timeline where the DCEU wasn't shit and we got MOS 2 instead of BvS. I don't like Routh's.

>>149455626
It was neither entertaining or technically proficient. I haven't seen them in a decade but I'd probably put booth 2000s FF movies way above this. I agree the original Donner film isn't good either.

>>149451970
This but with Snyderman

>>149450788 (OP)
Henry Cavill

Christopher Reeve > Tyler Hoechlin > George Reeves > Corenswet > Tom Welling > Brandon Routh on CW > Kirk Alyn > Brandon Routh on Returns > Henry Cavill

>>149458358
>George Reeves
How many people still think it was murder and not suicide?

>>149458358
oh I forgot Dean Cain
he's in there

>>149458371
Cain is a bland Clark with a GOAT Lois adding most of the chemistry.

People always say Cavill could have been a good Superman if he were given "better material", but I disagree. The dude as a lousy actor and has been bad in every movie he's ever been in. The only thing he has going for him is that he looks like Superman. To some (people gay for him, I guess), that's enough. But it's not enough to make a good movie. Sorry.

>>149450788 (OP)
out of these 3? 2025 and only a contrarian would say otherwise.

>>149450834
Returns has nice moments but it's kind of flat and some what pretentious. Doesn't even attempt to mimmick the tone of the original and Brandon Routh looking like Reeve while everyone else is a new face is jarring
>>149451147
I don't think any adaptation can top this one. At least not outside of a perfect world

>>149458388
I think he could have been better with "better Clark material". He did a good job as Superman. Looked the part, and when he was allowed to smile and be hopeful it worked.
But his Clark just felt like "Superman with glasses".

The obvious comparison is to Reeve. He really sold the two sides of Superman in a way that Cavill probably wouldn't have been able to match acting-wise, but he also wasn't really given any direction to differentiate the two.

>>149454216
because he got cucked twice in the show. it deserves to be slept on.

>>149458452
midwit take, Clark being a fake persona is hollywood invention

>>149452380
Serious question, are you retarded?

>>149450788 (OP)
Fleischer's.

>>149452970
Based Hoechlin and Welling appreciator

>>149458388
Cavill looks like the guy you hire to star in the gay porn parody of Superman.

>>149458550
The fuck you talking about? Clark and Superman have always been portrayed differently.

>play Clark Kent on Smallville for 200 episodes
>refuse to put on the suit in the finale and all shots of Superman are in the distance or CGI
Why did Tom Welling do it?

>>149450871
Yeah fr fr when he rescued that squirrel I started tearing up so wholesome <3

>>149451970
I feel you on this. I feel like I'm, pun intended, living on Bizarro world. The movie has ZERO rewatch value.

>>149459059
i'm not sure why they gave him so much leeway on signing onto the show he wasn't that good of an actor they could've just found some other good looking guy who would play ball

>you can just kill invaders and dictators
Aren't they making an Authority movie? Justice Gang kind of already did one of the things that make them different and edgy. Well they can still take over the American government I guess.

>>149459067
Yeah man, Superman valuing all life no matter what is like, out of character and corny or something.

>>149459127
I was wondering that too. I wonder what's going to make The Authority so different then, unless they just make them outright bad guys.

>>149450788 (OP)
I am still mad at how they fumbled Cavill.

>>149450871
>best costume
Ahem.

Gunn's costume isn't the worst, but it isn't the best either. I understand that the collar was made to hide Corenswet's chicken neck, but those MCU lines are really bad.

>>149452440
gen x'ers and millenials can't write any other form of dialogue

>>149460074
>why does the millennial Superman sound like a millennial?
Were you expecting him to talk like a Shakespeare character instead?

>>149450788 (OP)
>Routh
Nobody's going to remember him other than a shallow continuation of Christopher Reeve.

>Cavill
Only the worst parts will be remembered (neck snap, nonsensically stoic, being the worst enabler of villainous/morally gray Superman imitators).

>Corenswet
Hasn't even got started.

>>149460105
i was expecting him to sound like a real person
redditspeak isn't how a farmer boy from kansas should talk, even if he's been living in the big city and working as a journalist for 5 years

>>149459923
They didn't fumble Cavill, he has the personality of a doorknob. Even if he were in a good movie, he'd be the weakest part of it.

>>149451422
2 good movies, 3 if you count the Donner Cut.

>>149460137
You know everybody his age is a millennial, right? Unless you think reddit invented the word "dude".

>>149460155
4 if you count the Flash

>>149451970
>>149452380
>>149452440
>>149459067
Luthor's got you working overtime.

>>149454576
So is Cavill.

>>149454216
Nobody's watching tv anymore.

>>149455642
Donner only directed one film. Everything past 1 and most of 2 was directed by somebody else.

>>149460137
>redditspeak isn't how a farmer boy from kansas should talk,

You realize actual people (some also farmers) use reddit and not just weirdos?

>>149454464
>a spic manlet as Superman
a bold choice

>>149455780
I won't say that's not an issue but he just got that "cool dorky dad" vibe which I think really works for a Superman

>>149454582
I notice it. Dean Tanaka's an asian ashamed of his own race, and changed his name to Dean Cain so he can pretend to be white.

>>149454402
>it wasn't oficially part of the Arrowverse
Why didn't they cast different actors as Lois and Clark tho?

Superman and Lois would have been better if they gave Jordan some sex scenes.

>>149454582
Xe looks like a spic.

>>149460486
Superman and Lois would have been better if it wasn't a daytime soap opera aimed at teenage girls like all CW shows

>>149460609
Who would you aim a Superman show at?

>>149460300
>>149460185
you're all redditors

>>149460627
Children. Or middle aged comic book dudes in their 40s.

>>149451422
This. No other Superman movie has come close to 1 and Donner cut of 2.

>>149460630
You're a retard obsessed with reddit and projecting that onto us.

>>149450788 (OP)
All three of those adaptions have serious issues. If you combined elements of each you'd get a good movie. Only Donner's Superman has come close to being a truly good Superman film.

>>149459105
The original show runners, Alfred Gough & Miles Millar, put the rule of no suit and not flying. That was attracted Welling to accept the role. When the show was renewed for the season 8 and the original show runners left, Welling only accepted to renew with the condition of the no suit rule. And the producers accepted.

>>149460730
>Welling only accepted to renew with the condition of the no suit rule.
Why the fuck would he agree to season 8 of a Superman show as long as he didn't have to dress up as Superman? He's on season 8 of a popular show. He had to know this was going to be the biggest part of his acting career no matter what else he did later in his life. All he had to do was put on the suit for one scene, and he couldn't even do that. Even Cavill wasn't that much of a fag about putting on the suit.

>>149451052
>he was gone for 5 years, he didn't know. and he read the boy the Kryptonian rites signaling his acceptance of being a father. Him stalking Lois is interesting pathos Why can't Supes have some fucking character development
This desu.

I do think I prefer Gunn's version pound for pound though.

>>149452668
Nothing of Superman's should be like anything of Homelander's

>>149460690
They're all good.

>>149460009
That is a massive improvement tbf.

Still think Corenswet's is the best costume.

>>149460609
I'm pretty sure Supermand and Lois's audience were middle-aged women

>>149460781
At that point he was already part of the crew and directed some episodes. iirc, he also was credited as producer after the season 8. Probably thought that using the suit was beneath him.

>>149450788 (OP)
Which one has the fattest cock you think?

>>149464206
>Probably thought that using the suit was beneath him.
Even when the show was good, his character was going through far stupider shit than wearing a Superman costume. He had no room to be picky. No wonder his career dried up after that outside of Lucifer.

To give Welling some sympathy, he said on Rosenbaum's podcast that regrets not putting on the suit because that's what everybody asks him about whenever he's at cons.

>>149452582
I didn’t see it why is Superman incineratoring those dudes

>>149460781
To be fair his suit ended up being a shitty eBay knockoff of Routh’s.
I wouldn’t want to wear that either.

>>149465455
>listen to Talkville
>Rosenbaum and Welling don't know a single thing about Superman lore or their own show and just talk about which actors were nice
>the guests they bring in know more about Superman than they do
>even Annette O'Toole knows more Superman shit than them

>>149465708
Rosenbaum has charm and you watch that show wanting him to do well but he’s a retard and an exceptionally shitty interviewer

>>149465835
Both Rosenbaum and Welling come off as really stupid. Not just in their podcast, but how Welling thought he could play the same lead character for 10 seasons and avoid getting associated in the role forever. I don't like Cavill as Superman, but as a person, he seems more well-read and intelligent than either of them combined.

>>149451052
>Why can't Supes have some fucking character development

Character development shouldn't automatically mean the most retarded bullshit possible.

>>149465677
Still, Welling's automatically the worst Superman for being too much of a prima donna to put on the costume. It's just a bare minimum he failed to pass. Could you imagine if Reeve refused to put on the suit for all his movies? I don't care what Welling's excuse was. Better, more successful actors than him have dressed up in dumber outfits.

>>149454216
CW pretty much

>>149467054
CW didn't make profit in the entire 10s. Until the end it was a zombie channel

>>149465835
>>149466023
That's disappointing as someone who always liked Rosenbaum though.

With Welling though, I kinda feel like it was somewhat obvious he was the hot but dumb type. Looks like I've been vindicated. Kek

Imagine playing the role of Superman for 10 years and not wanting it to be permanently associated with you. Or not wanting to wear the suit for some reason.

>>149450871
based and true

>>149460303
He's nip. Before he changed it his name was Dean Tanaka.

>>149450871
>>best costume
nah

>>149455642
Yes, no one disputes this, it's obvious.

>>149461456
Yeah right.

>gunn superman
>actually cares about saving people and cried over the death of a single civilian
>synder superman
>literally doesn't care and let's an entire courtroom of people die just to aura farm

Hmm I wonder...

>>149468762
The original plan was he was gonna put on the suit for most of the season finale, but then he kept nagging about it, so it got wittled down to one scene where it's clearly CGI and close-ups so you never get a proper view of him wearing the costume. I don't know what his problem was. If he was too disgusted by being associated with Superman to even put on the cape, then quit after 1 season instead of sticking around for a whole fucking decade. Or was he too stupid to understand that was the inevitable end point to a Superman origin story?

>>149471131
>If he was too disgusted by being associated with Superman to even put on the cape, then quit after 1 season instead of sticking around for a whole fucking decade. Or was he too stupid to understand that was the inevitable end point to a Superman origin story?
Probably a mix between him not really being into superheroes and being ashamed of that whole thing and the stigma towards colorful superhero costumes back then.

>>149450788 (OP)
Superman > Returns > MoS

>>149471326
Understandable in 2001, but by 2011 when Smallville ended, award-winning actors were wearing superhero costumes again.

>>149470773
You're underage. You're not old enough to be on this website.

>>149450834
Returns was so incredibly boring. I read Superman to watch him punch evil and save people, not to watch him lift heavy rocks and be a deadbeat dad.

>>149472160
Actors on his own show were wearing superhero costumes. If Erica Durance could dress up as Wonder Woman for an episode, then Tom has no excuse.

>>149472160
More so in movies iirc but you're not wrong. Things were kinda sorta starting to change by then.

>>149472364
I rewatched it recently and I forgot how much relationship drama there is in that movie. It's literally like 70% relationship stuff and 30% superhero-ing.

>>149472537
>More so in movies iirc but you're not wrong.
That makes it worse. Christian Bale is a proper actor who could have gotten any role he wanted in 2005, and he chose to wear a Batman suit for 3 whole movies. While Tom Welling's on a CW soap opera thinking he's too good to put on a cape for even one minute?

>>149472679
Batman is literally what made Bale an A-list actor, he was outright struggling after American Psycho.

>>149450788 (OP)
The best adaptation? Unironically Returns. Most comic accurate Lex, Superman actually felt epic, Clark actually felt like Clark. Some aspects and details were even more accurate than in Donner's movies.
The best movie overall, out of these 3? Definitely not Returns, but it's hard to choose between Superman and MoS because they're both mediocre in my opinion. MoS is too edgy, and Superman is too campy for my taste, and it's not so much about Superman himself as it is about his friends and the Justice Gang. Doesn't work good as an entry point into this new DCU.

>>149450788 (OP)
All of them were mogged by Tyler and CW.

>>149474065
I just can't take his face seriously as Superman. No shade on the dude, he looks fine, but the thick eyebrows, and very dark 5 o'clock shadow just don't feel right.
The 5 o'clock shadow is the main problem becasuse it just makes him look like he should be the evil doppelganger like in the scene from Superman 3.

>>149474384
Eh, never bothered me honestly. The whole show was well written and directed, with a lot of banger moments. He was a great Clark, great Superman, and gave an older Superman fan a chance to see Superdad on the screen.

>>149474425
His acting was good, I can't deny that. Just couldn't get over the stubble, even if I enjoyed the show.

>>149474818
At least he put on the costume. Even the Fleischer one in the first episode.

>>149450871
Yeah, you just had to put up with the usual Weadon/Taika/Gunn bullshit

>>149475243
>the usual Whedon/Taika/Gunn bullshit
Like what?

>>149475256
Everything?

>Millennial Modern/Douchebags of the Galaxy/MCU humor

>>149475301
You're gonna have to elaborate beyond buzzwords.
>Millennial
Yeah, he's in his 30s, anon. They weren't going to cast a 50-year-old Gen Xer as Superman.

Millennials in 2025 are 29 to 44. Any anon crying about millennials or zoomers is admitting they're 45 or older.

>>149473025
Same with Clooney, who was a TV actor and doing small projects before Batman & Robin.

>>149474065
Slightly better suit than Cavill, but overall best booty.