Now that the current MCU is finally confirmed to end after Secret Wars. Who are your picks for Iron-Man, Captain America, Black Widow, Hulk and Thor?

Oh god this is where we're at now? The movies with half a billion dollar budgets and 10 year production schedules have to be made to clean up plot inconcistencies with fucking parallel universes?

>>149478281 (OP)
>Who are your picks for Iron-Man, Captain America, Black Widow, Hulk and Thor?
Queer women of color with angry eye brows and wide jaws.

>>149478281 (OP)
No one cares about anyone in that line but the Hulk. Now that they got almost all of their properties back you should be asking What are the picks for Hulk, Wolverine, Spider-man, Doom, and Storm.

He literally said it's not a reboot. They're casting their own X-Men rather than keeping the Fox cast beyond Secret Wars, and eventually they will find a way to recast Iron Man and others like him.

it ended with Endgame

This is where Marvel comics eternal timeline has fucked them over. DC movies can reboot every day of the week and nobody cares, not only that but they can have non canon movies being made alongside canon ones and nobody cares, because reboots and elseworlds is DC tradition. Marvel has never done this with the comics so they're going to look like failures if they do it.

>>149478661
People exaggerate the DC reboots too. Say what you will about Crisis stuff and the reboot, but every time one happens DC still retains most of the important and popular details/events moving forward. Blackest Night, Death of Superman, Death in The Family, etc. It's not like its always a complete reset without narrative consistency or consequence as people meme. Now Marvel? They'll soft retcon a million times over and claim they have a cohesive timeline. In an attempt to not hard reboot to clean up decades of rewrites, they favored a death from a thousand cuts approach.

In terms of film and what OP is referring to, I don't see this working out for Disney at all. Audiences already have attachments to specific takes and faces, and this would only serve to retread old ground we've done before. But beyond that, what else is left to do? They've plowed through decades of material with varying quality/results. They realized the new blood ain't profitable, and this right here tells me there isn't much faith in SW/Doomsday. They're winging it. People will see the shameless milking, and either just move on to Superman's DCU or just drop capeshit entirely

>>149478281 (OP)
>Shit, what do we do?
>Uhh, hey guys how do you feel about watching the same movies again

Endgame killed the MCU

>>149478281 (OP)
I thought this was obvious? They're obviously going to take this opportunity to present a new timeline where mutants have always existed, and also fold a new version of T'challa into the universe, plus the Fantastic Four and their villains as well. It's not going to be a full reboot, more of a soft one.

Otherwise, they're still going to move forward with what they've got. There's no way we're really seeing Steve Rogers, Tony Stark, Nat, etc. again.

>>149478470
So it's a partial reboot then?

>>149478860
Will you stop with this? People were still hyped for more MCU, and they completely dropped the ball over 2022-2023, and dropped it repeatedly.

Doctor Strange 2 and Thor 4 opened really strong because people were hyped for more MCU, and they had massive drop-offs because people didn't like them.

By the time of Ant-Man 3 and The Marvels, it was over, and they don't know how to turn things around outside of muh cameos from old things. But this idea being perpetuated that the entire audience was only interested in the Thanos/Infinity Stones saga and checked out when that was over is just untrue. It's just autists who can't get past the MCU continuing to exist after having a movie named 'Endgame'.

>>149479039
On a related note, check out this bit from one of the articles to come from Feige's mini press conference here:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marvels-kevin-feige-fantastic-four-superman-1236324127/
>The massive expansion into television and focus on Disney+ led to the feeling that watching Marvel was becoming a type of homework.
>“It’s that expansion that I think led people to say, ‘Do I have to see all of these? It used to be fun, but now do I have to know everything about all of these?’ And I think The Marvels hit it hardest where people are like, ‘Okay, I recognize her from a billion dollar movie. But who are those other two? I guess they were in some TV show. I’ll skip it.’”
>This had an effect on Thunderbolts*, which featured characters that were seen on various platforms, including some only appearing on shows before hitting the big screen.
>“Some of them were still feeling the residual effects of that notion of, ‘I guess I had to have seen these other shows to understand who this is,” Feige explained. “ I think if you actually saw the movie, that wouldn’t be the case, and we make the movie so that’s not the case. But I think we still have to make sure the audience understands that.”

He seems to actually believe that the reason these movies failed is simply because the general audience didn't want to do "homework" for them. Like, he thinks The Marvels might not have bombed if Kamala Khan and Maria Rambeau hadn't come from the shows first. When literally anybody could tell you the real reason for The Marvels bombing is the fact that practically nobody is interested in these characters in the first place and because audience trust in the MCU was significantly eroded by this point.

>>149479014
Yeah, Feige even said in the interview that it's more of a reset than a direct reboot.

>>149479159
No it was because of the SAG strike otherwise it would've made another Briellion easy.

People are not going to want to see retreads of plots we've done before, nor recasted characters. This is desperation from Disney, and it's going to cost them money

>>149478991
Samefag here, I read the article and they really are recasting Tony Stark. Well son of a bitch, I was wrong.

They better recast T'challa then. Hell they have no excuse not to by this point.

>>149478470
I wish it could be a hard reboot so that Spider-Man could have Mary Jane Watson, Aunt May, Norman and Harry, Gwen Stacy, etc. while not having a silver spoon from Iron Man.

>>149479159
No? You can get the average normie to care about any particular characters, as long as you make shit that's interesting.

>>149479240
There's 80 years of comics that can be strait adapted or remixed. But personality, I wouldn't remind a redo of Captain America: First Avenger but actually good this time.

>>149479331
Boring characters are boring characters no matter what, anon.

>>149479331
>There's 80 years of comics that can be strait adapted or remixed.
And what big stories have they not done or touched yet?
>I wouldn't remind a redo of Captain America: First Avenger but actually good this time.
Holy fucking shit do you have bad taste. TFA is great you asshole

>>149479303
>they really are recasting Tony Stark

They're not recasting him now, but will someday in the future. Seems like Multiverse will be the go-to to justify such recasts.

>>149479159
At the MCU's peak era of success, around Phases 2-3, they were genuinely succeeding in getting large audiences to show up to movies about characters most normies had never even heard of before, just because it was the new MCU movie and it was virtually a guaranteed good time.

You can argue that maybe some of the characters they've introduced in Phases 4-5 are just inherently awful and there was no way to get something good out of them, but the normie audience don't know or care about the comic source material. Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man and the Guardians were as much Literally Who? to them as the Phase 4-5 heroes have been. More people would've given some of those movies a shot if they hadn't already been burned by bad sequels starring heroes they did like.

I think there is a definite problem with the Disney+ shows being something nobody's really watching past the really early ones, so making the shows relevant to the movies has been a real problem. But having killed off or retired a lot of the popular characters is a real problem, and they've failed to create popular new stars to replace them. Worse, whether it's turning Hulk and Thor into comedy characters, or turning Wanda into a villain, or refusing to recast Black Panther even though Boseman supposedly wanted them to, they're losing the popular characters they had left, and often doing it in ways that leave the audience burned and unhappy. Things like that happening enough times will have contributed to people checking out, and it's not Endgame being "a jump-off point" that killed the MCU's popular appeal, it's movies in 2022-2023 that people just didn't like.

Also, the MCU has been running since 2008. A 15 year old today wouldn't even have been born when it started, and the MCU is something his parents were into. Another side effect of the MCU just not being 'cool popular thing' anymore is losing a lot of the casual and female audience, it really is mostly just male nerds left now.

>>149479240
>People are not going to want to see retreads of plots we've done before, nor recasted characters.
Except X-Men fandom, a lot of them really do just want the exact same Xavier vs Magneto story again and again and again.

>>149479485
I believe another part of it was dropping the act that Disney shows were "optional" and then saying they're fucking homework. Post Endgame continuity is a lot for the average moviegoer.

For example to understand Captain America Brave New World, you need to see
>The Incredible Hulk
>Captain America TFA
>Captain America Winter Soldier
>Civil War
>Endgame
>Falcon & Winter Soldier
>Eternals
At the very least, and that last one is several hours of bullshit

>>149479485
>refusing to recast Black Panther even though Boseman supposedly wanted them to

Boseman never said that, though. Someone asked his brother what he would have thought of being recast and his brother said he probably wouldn't have minded, and people spun this whole story he wanted Marvel to recast Black Panther, that he expressively wished so and Marvel ignored it.

>>149479485
Feige has forgotten that Phase 1-2 being grounded and filled with white guys is what pulled in normies to begin with. You can spin it any other way, but normie audiences generally don't engage in capeshit unless it is grounded thanks to 9/11. Marvel in particular has the same problem as Transformers where casuals/normies don't give a fuck about things being more accurate to the source material.

The MCU is struggling to maintain momentum because the good-looking charismatic white guys are ALMOST ALL GONE and there's hardly anyone else with charisma and/or white and male enough to draw in women. Feige has it twisted where he thinks that if he plugs in enough brown guys and white women that somehow the MCU will do well, but it WILL NOT FUCKING WORK

If Feige wants success, he needs to let go of the false notion of "appealing to everyone" and go back to indirectly appealing towards women by appealing towards men. Thor remains one of the most popular MCU movies with women because it appeals to the female fantasy (ordinary woman has a space hunk crash into her life) but we could never get that now

>>149479539
Part of this is also a disconnect that seems to exist between what media companies actually intend with their products' approachability and what some audience members think they intend. People who are closely following a franchise will invariably insist that a newcomer needs to consume a bunch of previous material to understand what's happening in the new thing, but the company will say it doesn't matter and provide some basic background information in the new thing to account for newcomers. It's unusual for something that isn't a direct resumption of a focused plotline to actually be unintelligible if you don't do homework.

>>149479539
the MCU's just been going on for too long, early movies could safely assume people saw everything because there wasn't much to have seen yet. but the people who used to watch everything are leaving and the new people who should be coming in can't be assed to catch up.
my biggest hope for the DCU is that they avoid this trap and keep things more segregated. where following a single character or team will still give me a complete experience even if I don't care for anything else. if it's 2040 and I want to watch Doom Patrol 5: Larry gets Mpregged, I shouldn't have to watch anything other than the previous Doom Patrol movies.

>>149479240
The MCU rebooting won't fix the underlying problems that the movies have always carried out since Phase 1

>needing to watch every successive movie in order for the big event movie to mean anything
>villain characters getting killed off
>big event movies relying too much on prior movies for casuals to get into
>character bloat, continuity lock-out, recasting, etc
>conflict between appealing to nerds vs normies vs what fits the story best
>conflict between appealing to children vs appealing towards adults
>everything ultimately revolving around one character (RDJ as Tony Stark)

>>149479539
You don't "need" to watch any of those besides The Incredible Hulk and maybe The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, though. The movie recaps all the necessary information.

>>149479598
I think there were other factors, like that there was a mixture of new and recognizable characters and that the various movies and the shows up to about Loki had some kind of style or tone to them that made them seem approachable on their own merits instead of a string of origin stories. But yes, the shortage of hot guys (and interesting women too; let's be honest about Marvel's failure to create and not sabotage good female characters) is an obvious problem that shouldn't be this hard to fix. It's funny how the female side of fandom immediately starts imagining new hot-guy scenarios whenever something comes out and leaves the door open to finally adding some.

>>149479720
From a newcomer perspective, yes, you need to see the Steve Cap movies to understand this shit. Otherwise Sam having the shield doesn't have any weight

>>149479720
True, but the problem with BNW is that it isn't really envisioned as a standalone story. You DO need to have enough familiarity with previous movies to be genuinely invested into BNW because BNW (and post-Endgame Marvel) is sold off of long-term familiarity and investment

Think about the marketing from a normie point of view

>huh??? when did the black wing guy become captain America??? isn't captain america a white guy???
>there's a red hulk??? is that hulk or the president guy???
>I don't remember a president guy
>since when was there a giant space alien adamantium whoever
>who's the leader???

If you showed off the trailers to an old man and a tween they'd both be confused and less interested.

>>149479753
How true this is varies from IP to IP, but we as consumers have a tendency to exaggerate. It's like someone getting into the Trails video game series, when the fanboys come out of the woodwork to insist you have to start with Sky and play the next dozen games in chronological order so you can understand the current story arc. It is nonsense, of course, and the games makes it extra clear by including explicit recap material in their main menus as well as having characters remind each other or explain events from past games that are relevant to some current thing.
>>149479787
I think some of that is just that the marketing makes the universe feel very lived in instead of trying to make it seem like each new release is a brand new thing.
>movie briefly mentions that old cap retired and now the new guy is cap
>the hulk/pres doesn't require explaining because that's part of the plot
>characters take a minute to go over why there's a big hand
If a story answers the question, the fact that the question exists is not a criticism; it's the point.

>>149479844
Answers a *new question, I should say. If there are old questions being answered, those should be written in so new people know what they are. They do not need the full backstory though.

>>149479331
The elephant in the room is that as long as Feige is in charge, the rebooted MCU will continue to pull from 2000s and 2010s runs and pull from earlier stuff as minimally as possible. It will inevitably pull from earlier Phases and cannibalize itself because Feige refuses to pull from anything before the 2000s

and why?

>Feige is genuinely allergic to pre-2000s stuff
>he has shit taste in comics
>he is now programmed to be ashamed of anything that is too white and male
>he doesn't really grasp that he needs to appeal to children for long-term success

>>149479844
I think marketing should promote future movies as if they are brand new and not reliant on existing narrative throughlines, regardless of how much the movie relies on the existing stories when you actually go to see it. People loved Moon Knight because it was disconnected from the rest of the MCU, after all.

I don't care about the fagvengers

I want more X-Men.

>>149479938
>doesn't want the Avengers
>calls the fags
>wants the team that's had wokeness and gayness baked into it for decades
>the team that's gone turbo gay in recent years
Is this supposed to be ironic or do you really think X-Men is still being made for straight white guys?

>>149479996
They're wokechads

The fagvengers are somehow gayer than the woke-Men.

>>149478281 (OP)
So they just admitted bringing RDJ back won't break a billion in box office and make any difference? Why would you say that you're reboot the franchise this early?

>>149479932
I agree. The less it feels like something has homework attached (even if it does if you want the "full experience"), the easier it is to sell to someone who isn't already a hardcore fan. Take Wandavision: the premise is basically random nonsense if you don't know the characters already, but it felt like a unique thing with a central gimmick that didn't require old knowledge. Agatha is a direct follow-up, but the premise is still unique and strong enough that it doesn't seem like a homework-heavy show, and the stuff you do need is explained so you don't really have to go back.

>>149478281 (OP)
They need to fire Feige

>>149479428
I really think that they want a more cohesive Marvel universe that's closer to the comics. They want the Avengers to interact with the X-Men. They want them to interact with the FF too. They want Spider-Man to look up to Mr. Fantastic, and so on.

Honestly while it may seem a little desperate, it's probably the right call to make. I feel like canon might end up being confusing though.

>Kevin Feige: "We are not rebooting."
>Every entertainment website: "KEVIN FEIGE CONFIRMS MCU REBOOT"

Journalism was a mistake.

>>149480138
Steve Rogers, Tony Stark and Natasha Romanoff are really the only characters off their board for now, and only Rogers and Stark matter all that much. If you believe the rumors Chris Evans could be sticking around post-Secret Wars, so you really only need to introduce a new Stark.

>>149480138
Does anyone else not really want this, and to just be able to follow the characters they like in their own movies without everything having to be a big shared universe like the comics? Just do occasional team up movies as the equivalent of comics events, but the rest of the time just act like the the hero whose movie you're watching is on their own with nobody else to come and help, and you don't need to watch someone else's movie to understand what's going on.

>>149480054
Shooter was right and Feige would do well to internalize his philosophy on drawing more customers in rather than pull from other people's advice

>every new entry should be understood by a new audience

>>149480198
exactly

the MCU is ALREADY turning out just like the current comics and that's not a good thing

On the one hand, I understand their desire to default to Cap and Stark. On the other, it's disappointing the poignant endings they had in Endgame will likely be undone, unless they bring in alt-universe versions of both.

>>149480256
>unless they bring in alt-universe versions of both

I think that's the ideal course of action. Bring in a Cap who's a little more grizzled, a Stark who's a little more tormented. Don't make whoever they cast just redo Evans/RDJ. Explore new avenues for these characters.

The Ultimate versions might actually be an interesting template for that kind of reset.

>>149478281 (OP)
Someone tell me what's point of looking forward to upcoming Marvel movies if they're going to reboot it?

All they had to do was not go all in wokeslop with characters nobody gives a shit about, introduce younger F4 and non geriatric X-men with Doom as the central bad guy
How hard was that? Now we're speedrunning that shit in the sloppiest way possible. Just who cares at this point

Full highlights from that interview

>Doubling their content to prop up Disney+ was a mistake.
>2-3 movies, 1 standalone street-level live-action show and 1-2 What If animated shows a year going forward.
>TV shows will be cheaper and only tangentially connect to the movies so people don’t view them as homework.
>Won’t change their process of tinkering with the movie all the way to release.
>Movie budgets have been lower since Deadpool & Wolverine.
>Believes the homework stigma hurt Thunderbolts despite strong reviews.
>Didn’t like that Ironheart and Wonder Man were shelved for so long when Disney ordered them to slow down their output.
>Blade still in development with Mahershala Ali attached to star. Will no longer be a period piece. R-rated story set in modern day.
>Kang won’t be coming back, and he approached RDJ to play Doctor Doom even before Jonathan Majors crashed out due to audiences not taking to Kang as they had to Thanos.
>All the characters they’ve introduced from the Eternals to She-Hulk to Clea to Hercules will pop up again eventually. They’re not memory-holing anyone (besides Kang).

>>149480315
Announcing a reboot while there are still upcoming movies being made is always a retarded idea, but it keeps happening, despite the fact that there are clearly a lot of guys out there who think like you, and care more about whether the individual movies are 'leading to something' than whether they can be an entertaining movie in their own right.

If you're rebooting, don't announce you're doing it until the very next upcoming movie is the reboot. And ideally leave a gap of several years between the last movie and the reboot, so people have a chance to miss you.

their lightening in a bottle has escaped, and they thought they could shit out rainbows on their own. tale as old time.

>>149480139
He's technically talking about a soft reboot technically. All the old continuity is "canon" but returning characters will be played by new actors with maybe new origins.

>>149479210
What's the difference?

>>149480357
>Blade still in development with Mahershala Ali attached to star. Will no longer be a period piece. R-rated story set in modern day.
I'll believe it when I see it.

>>149480357
>Avengers: Secret Wars will reset the MCU, unifying the Avengers, X-Men and Fantastic Four timelines and introducing the MCU X-Men which will skew younger as in the original comics.
>Points out it isn't a reboot as most pre-reset characters and storylines will continue.
>No plans for live-action Miles Morales because Sony won't allow it.
>Might do more Deadpool/Wolverine movies, depends on Ryan Reynolds.
>Black Panther 3 already has a release date.
>Michael Waldron (Loki, MoM) is co-writing Avengers: Doomsday.
>Cornerstone characters like Iron Man will eventually be recast, but there are no plans for it immediately.
>Two years left in his Marvel contract, but has no plans to leave Marvel Studios.
>The actors from Roger Corman’s Fantastic Four movie all have cameos in First Steps.
>Loved Gunn’s Superman, hopes Ultraman returns as Bizarro in the sequel.
>Oscar Isaac was the one who pushed for a Moon Knight project.
>Wants a manlet Wolverine when they inevitably recast Hugh Jackman.

>>149480357
>don't care about what-ifs
>would rather tv be used for properties that are too long or not notable enough to justify a movie instead of more iron fist
>movies are hit or miss with characters
guess i'll keep saving my money

>>149479747
>and interesting women too; let's be honest about Marvel's failure to create and not sabotage good female characters
If the character and actress are sufficiently waifu-able, you can get the male audience on board as much as the female audience, especially if you have a heroine who doesn't fit into the generic girlboss mold. Feige and his writers don't get enough complaints for the number of times they've thrown away heroines people liked, because they weren't the ones that were 'meant' to be the big stars, and he appears completely oblivious to having screwed up so badly on this.

>>149480374
>Announcing a reboot while there are still upcoming movies being made is always a retarded idea
That's what Gunn did then Blue Beetle, Flash and Aquaman 2 tanked cause of it.

>>149480379
>returning characters will be played by new actors with maybe new origins

He didn't even say that, he just said the Avengers, Fantastic Four and X-Men will all live in one timeline now and they *might* recast Captain America and Iron Man eventually.

>>149478281 (OP)
>reset singular timelines
Which means, crank up a bunch of garbage by different filmakers to see which version sticks to the walls

>>149480479
Any why pray tell would they recast them if they weren't planning to have them be an active presence in the future?
There's absolutely a big chance they use Secret Wars to Crisis the MCU.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty much over the MCU now. Sure I want to see what Fantastic Four has to offer, and yes I'm mildly curious as to how they'll pull off Doom, but it's not enough to keep me invested. They haven't done jack shit with Doctor Strange like they should have, the new blood isn't working out, and they can't even use Spider-Man, their most notable IP.

Currently I'm more invested in what the new DCU does

>>149480785
>Any why pray tell would they recast them if they weren't planning to have them be an active presence in the future?

Where did I state they wouldn't be?

I hope either one of two things happens, either DCU somehow turns the tables and gets more popular than marvel disney or capeshit just dies all together.

I say that is a dc guy and a film nerd.

i also think marvel disney is going the way of star wars, its being seen as boring by younger generations

>>149479303
I mean, he is in his 60s now I think. At some point there was going to be a recast.

>>149479505
That not entirely true

>>149482323
As with anything in life, you can find exceptions, but that sure seems to be what the majority of discussion online about any future reboot tends to revolve around people wanting to see. The only real exceptions are the Extinction Era Cyclops self-inserters who want the movies to revolve around that guy.

>>149480479
>they *might* recast Captain America
Why would they recast Sam?

>>149480138
>I feel like canon might end up being confusing though
Not to x-fags tho

>>149480357
>1-2 What If animated shows a year going forward.
I'd be more excited if the What If? show didn't go to hell after the first season.

But what they should really do is more tv specials like Werewolf by Night and the GotG one. Those were both great and yet no one ever talks about them.
>Kang won’t be coming back, and he approached RDJ to play Doctor Doom even before Jonathan Majors crashed out due to audiences not taking to Kang as they had to Thanos.
I genuinely think this was a mistake. They should've just had recast and made audiences like Kang but also done a way better job at setting him up. Mostly because it was a cool opportunity to have a new Thanos level threat who was actually different enough from him.

R-rated Blade set in modern day sounds great though, exactly what I wanted in the first place.

>>149480425
>Wants a manlet Wolverine when they inevitably recast Hugh Jackman.
FUCK yes!

>>149478281 (OP)
People only watch and like the MCU for Loki. Loki is the main character. Loki is the one who’ll fix all of this. No, no that weak faggot who died to Thanos. (Everyone hates him for a reason. No one liked Loki in Infinity Saga.) God Loki. The most important and the most popular character in the MCU with the best show ever. The MCU starts and end with Loki.

This will all be on and about Loki. People watch for Loki.

The MCU is saved and everyone excited and agree. No one like the Infinity Saga. Marvel, Feige, the fans, and Disney hated it so it need to be retcon bc it not like the comics and bad. And Loki, the main MCU characters is the key. Always this for Loki.

>>149483446
Loki is a faggot.

>>149483232
Hell I'll just take any Blade movie at this point, it's been like four years since they teased it.

I hope Carol dies forever.

>>149478281 (OP)
>We are doubling down on woke u BIIIIGOTS!
Not even buying Warner and DC comics will save this trainwreck.

>>149480390
They won't start from zero

>>149478281 (OP)
Hearing that Feige wants Miles to be the Spiderman for the MCU. I already know how this is going to go.

>>149484067

He said in the same interview OP quoted Sony won't let them use Miles until Sony has done at least two more movies with him

>>149478422
I, for one, applaud the comic accuracy.

>>149478281 (OP)
KEK and they said it would never happen
>>149478436
2pbp kek

>>149479159
>The Marvels bombing is the fact that practically nobody is interested in these characters in the first place

No one gave a FUCK about Iron Man before the movie.

>>149484348
For real, it's so dumb how people still use this argument. People cared even less about GotG and yet they're all household names now.

>>149484348
>Good actor + good writing = interesting character
Imagine that

>>149479637
>my biggest hope for the DCU is that they avoid this trap and keep things more segregated.
I was so happy there weren't any post credits scenes setting up any other movies in Superman. Yeah, there's the Kara cameo, but that works as just a cute scene that explains Krypto. The biggest problem with the pretty much all of the post endgame marvel content is it feels like it has to building to something big, instead of just being solid movies.

>>149479039
It's not because they were "only" interested in Thanos. Truly, no one really cared about that. The problem is they killed off EVERY SINGLE ONE of their protagonists at THE SAME TIME. It would be like if Return of the Jedi ended with Luke, Han, Leia, Chewy, R2-D2, C-3PO, Darth Vader, The Emperor, Yoda, Boba Fett, Jabba the Hutt, Lando Calrissian, the Death Star, and the Millennium Falcon all dying/getting blown up and then 5-6 years later after dropping Caravan of Courage they were like: "Ok, guys. Time for Episode 7! It's going to be about some black chick that works at Tashi's Station trying to sell power converters to Ewoks, but then that giggly little gremlin thing from Jabba's palace swoops in and steals them! We spent $ 3 billion on this, so you all better go see this at least four times."

>>149480138
>I really think that they want a more cohesive Marvel universe that's closer to the comics.
But 90 percent of the time, this isn't how comics work. And it was 100 percent of the time before the Yearly Event Comic became standard. I'm reading old comics a lot lately, and you can just read whatever title you're on and not have to worry about any other books. Yes, sometimes characters guest star or cross over, but if I'm reading Iron Fist and Iron Man shows up, I don't need to also read iron man to get the full story.

>>149480425
>>The actors from Roger Corman’s Fantastic Four movie all have cameos in First Steps.
Surprising. Kind of cute, but the DC TV shows have been doing this kind of shit for years.

>>149479485
I'm just going to address the elephant in the room:

When they were successful they were a series of movies about a single, masculine, straight White Man that was a pretty cool dude doing really cool stuff, often with a hot chick love interest. Then every three years or so the 4-5 cool White dudes and 1 sexy chick would team up and have an all out brawl with a big blockbuster alien. Everyone likes that.

Then, they did what they always did and went: "We've built a BRAND NAME and customers are STUPID! They'll CONSOOM whatever slop we crap out because of our heckin' brand name!" then they threw away everything everyone liked and decided they could "manifest" a brave, new world by shoving gay, angry black women in our faces and no one liked it. Now they're going bankrupt and will have to cancel everything.

How to fix the MCU
Step 1: Have it be animated with a floating timeline
Step 2: No time travel except stable time loops, no dimensional travel

There. I fixed it.

>>149483446
>When Loki isn't on screen, people should be asking "where is Loki?"

>>149484452
That's not the point I was making, I mean they want to make the MCU closer to the comics as an adaptation. i.e., instead of Parker worshipping Tony, he's going to be all, "Notice me Reed senpai!"

>>149479546
They could've just recasted him. He wasn't even a super popular character. They recast Roadie or whatever his name was and no one batted an eye at that.

>>149480357
>Believes the homework stigma hurt Thunderbolts despite strong reviews.
Completely wrong. What actually killed Thunderbolts was every single character was basically the same. Some variation of "non-superpowered mercenary".

>>149484540
Yeah, the whole reason Black Panther was popular was because WE WUZ KANGS AN SHEEEEIT! I'm sure they wouldn't have minded T'challa being recasted.

>>149484538
Ah, I misunderstood.
I think this is a lateral move, truth be told. I am fine with movie continuity being it's own thing.

>>149484546
>Super soldier wearing a dark suit!
It was a pretty boring movie. Even if I do have a clear bias with Walker

>>149484600
Yeah and by cohesive, I mean, "Avengers, X-Men, FF, Spider-Man, and all other Marvel characters all exist in this same universe."

Shame they still can't get Spidey from Sony.

>>149484668
>Shame they still can't get Spidey from Sony.
If it keeps Miles away from the MCU for as long as possible, good

>>149484540
>He wasn't even a super popular character.
What alternative universe do you live in, anon?

>>149483817
She's the new face of the MCU, Carol is the best!

>>149484532
If the MCU wants to be comic accurate, Loki MUST be a tranny. Scrap Tom Hiddleston, kill his annoying fucking Loki off, and replace him with a genderspecial tranny. It’s the only way.

>>149484758
I hope you die soon.

>>149484782
>The MCU dies from accuracy shortly after the movie causes a new civil war

>>149479693
>villain characters getting killed off
And the villains in question being lame in general.
I can count the number of decent-at-best MCU villains on one hand.
None, absolutely none of them are actually good or great.

>>149484452
>if I'm reading Iron Fist and Iron Man shows up, I don't need to also read iron man to get the full story.
You'd sell more comics if you did have to read some other bullshit
t. DC Editorial

>>149478281 (OP)
Elliot Page as Iron Man
George Lopez as Captain America
Melissa McCarthy as Black Widow
Rosie O'Donnell as Hulk
John Boyega as Thor

>>149484104
Considering Sony's schedule, Fiege might be dead of old age before that happens.

>>149484546
Honestly the premise didn't have much draw to it.
>Fan favorite Bucky's there but they walked back his senator thing already and he looks like he doesn't give a shit
>Other fan favorite Yelena's there but she's depressed instead of the comic relief she was in Black Widow and Hawkeye
>More than half of the ensemble cast are from other shows and movies people know they haven't watched
I genuinely think just some random one off movie about Yelena and Kate Bishop trying to buddy up as the new Widow and Hawkeye would've even had more people interested just from the cast and elevator pitch alone.

>>149479240
>nor recasted characters
My name is Bond, James Bond

>>149479505
>>149482484
>t. butthurt Krakoa fan
There are plenty of acclaimed runs without or with very little of Xavier vs Magneto - Morrison, Whedon, Gillen, etc

Krakoa was the time when Magneto started having doubts about killing his enemies, while the X-Men went full Punisher (but only towards humans, while having beach parties with mutant Hitlers).

People didn't hate it forbeing different, they hated it for being a poorly written character assassination

>>149478470
I think it's good

I stopped watching marvel garbage because the casting and the CGI are terrible. Why aren't you faglord talking about how terrible the CGI is?

>>149484430
Tony Stark and Black Widow were the only protagonist deaths, they still had plenty to work with. Steve Rogers doesn't even die, he just gets old and retired, which was something they could have backed out of and reversed somehow later if they wanted to.

There's more of a problem in them mishandling the heroes they had left that audiences were still invested in than just killing two characters.

>>149486903
Nobody even mentioned Krakoa, you tool. Learn to read.

>>149478281 (OP)
>Who are your picks for Iron-Man
Asian
>Captain America
Pakistani
>Black Widow
Asian
>Hulk and
Latino
>Thor
African

>>149487903
Silence, Mexican

>>149478281 (OP)
Why do you all care about MCU anyway. They're literally ruined your characters?

>>149484401
I remember I actually liked doctor strange 2 in a schlocky stupid way (besides the macguffin girl who was abysmally acted and badly written), and I loved the ending with the very classic b-horror cliffhanger ending
And then they deflated literally everything interesting about that idea with an absolutely terrible post credits sequence to be like "yeah his third eye is actually fine and also look it's charlize theron"
what the FUCK were they thinking