Is this the worst redesign in history?

No, I like that Cold but nuu grood might be

>>149494203
This is literally the monkey that bit Beast Boy

>>149494203
I was surprised when they revealed it was Grodd instead of Ultra Huminate or Monsieur Mallah or something

>>149494103 (OP)
Not even the worst Captain Cold. That being said that Boomerang is utter dogshit

>>149494385
I don't even mind that one

dresden codak guy's redesigns come to mind

>>149494103 (OP)
Captain Cold? More like Captain Hot! More like Captain Thunder Thighs!

Does DC actually have any artists that try and appeal to anyone other than gay men?

>>149494583
Dan Mora, Jorge Jimenez, Belen Ortega?

>>149494103 (OP)
I like the mask thing for Trickster.

>>149494103 (OP)
>"What's wrong? That's a perfectly acceptable Reed Richards design."
>see it's Captain Cold

>>149494583
I like guys and none of DC's redesigns have done anything for me. Not enough twinks.

>>149494895
>Not enough twinks.
I feel like there's but nothing but twinks honestly from the big two. At least when it comes to newly out gay and bi male characters in their books.

>>149494974
>I feel like there's but nothing but twinks honestly from the big two.
Really? Every new gay big two character is too muscly for me. Look at Jon. He's just his dad but with shittier hair. I don't like baras..

>>149495027
Jon is definitely not my first idea when it comes to hunks let alone something bara adjacent. At best he's a twunk depending on who illustrates him. Nevertheless, when a character comes out. I see a change in their appearance afterwards. Especially with Tim Drake or Jon Kent. It's weird, like they hit them with a yassification beam or something.

>>149494103 (OP)
Looks like Shore Leave from Venture Bros

>>149494974
>I feel like there's but nothing but twinks honestly from the big two.
Wasn't a big talking point about Absolute Batman that he was an Absolute Unit?
>At least when it comes to newly out gay and bi male characters in their books.
Oh, that. Yeah, that's pretty typical I guess.

>>149495557
>Wasn't a big talking point about Absolute Batman that he was an Absolute Unit?
That's for sure. I was just referring to gay/bi male superheroes mostly.

>>149495118
Billy Kaplan's a severe case of this. Before the Gillen run, he looked like a cute boy next door. Now he looks too pampered if you know what I mean. He looks too fake to be hot.

>>149494103 (OP)
They aren't bad but kind of dull

>>149495621
Exactly, I hate that so much. Is it some sort of inherent bias the artist or editorial teams have? They don't need to make these characters look so glammed up like that. Just make them cool and attractive, instead they make these characters look like they came out of Q-Force.

>>149495757
>that fucking haircut
The funniest fucking thing about that new Superman cartoon's Superboy is he has the exact same design as his original, but now the haircut looks modern instead of hilariously dated like it used to for most of his existence.

>>149494103 (OP)
He's Shore Leave?

>>149494583
the transgenders that do supergirl are trying to appeal to lesbians and catching a lot of stray cishet guys with thick ass lesla-lar

>>149495757
You get the sense they're idea of what gay people look like comes from the Met Gala. There aren't enough gays in comics who are cute but down to earth. It's always either brawny baras or what they did to poor Billy in that picture.

>>149495883
If Cold acted like Shore Leave and said Arnold Schwarzenegger Mr Freeze puns I'd be okay with it.
>Gonna give you the cold shoulder! Zap!
>Zap! I'm the Ice Queen!
>Wanna know what killed the dinosaurs?
>Zap! The Ice Age!

>>149497374
>It's always either brawny baras
Even they are extremely few and far between compared to the latter. Nevertheless, I just want some variety when it comes to characters that happen to be gay, bisexual. It's just ridiculous that these creatives tend to fallback on these tropes more or less.

>>149494510
>>149494103 (OP)
Pedro Pascal coded

>>149494103 (OP)
>>149494510
Is this before or after Nolan got his big break playing Omni-Man?

>>149497462
Beyond the mustache I don't really see it.

>>149496256
God bless em, comics need more thicc bitches

>>149498269
One more because GODDAMN, also that Supergirl fit is trash

>>149496256
Campbell's obsession with fat women sucks.

>>149494229
Why does Flash have an abundance of gorilla themed villains?

>>149494895
Absolute Wally is like, the ultimate twink.
>>149499730
You don't know what a fat woman looks like.

>>149494103 (OP)
Omni-Man????

>>149499730
Maybe on Thrae. That turtle tranny is a master of ass and titties compared to most other big two artists.

>>149496256
are they actually trans or is it just 4chan seething over muh manjaws or whatever

>>149495118
I'm a fucking faggot and I have no idea what you two faggots are saying. What the fuck is a twunk?

Im old. I guess I had a twunk death.

>>149500432
That term has been around for a long time. A twunk is just a mix between a twink and a hunk. A twunk is a young, slim, but muscular gay dude.

>>149499779
he's a great twink, though the art in his last couple issues has let him down.
>>149494974
we constantly get mistakes like this. bunker is a twunk. almost anyone above age 15 in a supersuit is a twunk or above as far as gym categories go. whether the art correctly reflects this is another matter, of course...

>>149495757
that one artist never tires of ruining looks, but with billy, who still often gets fairly conventional art, the problem is deeper. sometime after Gillen, when he was still written more or less as he had been previously even if he looked too metro, he got saddled with one or two writers who decided he was actually a massive faggot who couldn't say a word without five prada bags falling out of his mouth. it's pretty offensive to take a character who was not femme before and suddenly make them femme, and, no, 'some gays are just like that' is not an excuse, because this one WASN'T.

>>149499822
Yeah, the writer/artist is a tranny.

Sophie Campbell like big nose

New Shredder look like a bottom guy form yaoi manga.

>>149494103 (OP)
Viltrumite coded

>>149500705
That's generous, he looks like fodder for early Cyberpunk 2077 missions

>>149500587
>it's pretty offensive to take a character who was not femme before and suddenly make them femme, and, no, 'some gays are just like that' is not an excuse, because this one WASN'T.
Took the words right out of my mouth. What irritates me about Billy in particular with this discourse is that I see some takes insinuating Billy's femme display is character development. Or a logical next step for his personality which leaves me completely dumbfounded. I never get why people insist upon it so much. Thinking that every gay characters needs to look and act like they stepped out of L.A.

>>149500970
He looks like what I'd imagine an early concept of the miniboss, Oda. Would look like. Also uke yaoi bait.

>>149500994
Right? Like, no, he wasn't secretly femme all along and covered it up. He was already out to everyone in the story except his parents, and pretty quickly to them too, and his behavior never shifted. That was just how he was. And it's especially galling because Teddy is still exactly the same, which we all know is because he's the bigger guy even though he's literally a genderbending aristocrat who wears hot pink professionally and made himself look hot for football.

>>149500994
Also he is totally Allan Heinberg's self-insert, isn't he? And he just sounds like a normal soft-spoken dude.

>>149501000
>Implying Oda wasn't uke yaoi bait
Still a fair assessment

>>149494385
>>149494103 (OP)
Holy fuck I thought that was Mrs fantastic, what did they do?

>>149501023
I wouldn't be too surprised if he took certain aspects about himself and incorporated it into the character.

>>149501010
That also reminds me how drastically Iceman's personality shifted after being outed by Jean Grey. Before he used to be a lighthearted class clown. Carefree, often joking about. But once his solo by Sina Grace debuted, he pretty much became the authors self insert. Acting like he came out of Will & Grace. Campy, femme, slutty. His jokes awkwardly inserting gay lingo. And that's what he's been ever since thanks to other writers like Anthony Oliveira. It just doesn't make sense why he couldn't be as he was but also gay? Or at best bisexual?

>>149501035
That's just his design in the Elseworld, Absolute Flash.

>>149501121
The fucking Iceman situation is so stupid. His personality didn't need to change at all; gay and gay-adjacent people had already been reading him as a homo for decades, so clearly he fit the mold. (Let's not forget that weird moment when Chuck Austen a decade earlier wrote what would have been a much more natural and satisfying coming out arc for him and just had it end with 'welp, i guess he couldn't be gay since northstar says so and that's totally not the plot of a billion gay romances.') And bi would have been the better, more logical move, but Bendis had to take him completely off the table because he committed the capital crime of being seen getting too friendly with Bendis's waifu Kitty.

>>149500689
maybe they really like Lilo and stitch

>>149501144
>i guess he couldn't be gay since northstar says so and that's totally not the plot of a billion gay romances
In retrospect that definitely would've been more interesting in my opinion if Northstar and Iceman did get together. Instead of having Jean-Paul getting married off to Kyle. Whom hasn't really been a compelling love interest. From what I remember he just hung around and really couldn't do anything of note beyond getting caught up in conflict and being used a prince in a pinch.
>And bi would have been the better, more logical move
Honestly but I always hear plenty say otherwise. Talking about how in real life there are strictly gay men who lived a lie trying to convince themselves. Thanks to societal influences surrounding them, but I digress.
>but Bendis had to take him completely off the table because he committed the capital crime of being seen getting too friendly with Bendis's waifu Kitty.
Jokes on Bendis now that Kitty has been out as bisexual since 2020. As of now currently in some sort of casual relationship with another woman.

>>149501121
To be fair to Oliveira, that might just be maintaining the newer voice Marvel seems to have decided he has to have now; it seems pretty consistent across the books. He's written Bill & Ted before, and they read fairly normally, in contrast to when, say, Howard gets them.

>>149499822
I looked them up expecting a cute woman and its offensively hideous

>>149501210
Civilian love interests are always worse than fellow capes unless it's very specific situations like Superman or Spider-man, where the civilian is integral to the experience of the hero character and has enough of a presence on the page to justify their existence. If there are a multitude of queer characters floating around, afterthought love interests need to get booted in favor of couples that can punch bad guys together.
And also the love interest shouldn't be annoying and boring like Jon's.

>>149501266
> And also the love interest shouldn't be annoying and boring like Jon's.
Funny enough in the Secret Six miniseries, Jay has finally been given something to do. Working alongside Jon as a superhero. All the while being caught in a tense bind/potential love triangle between him and Dreamer. It’s not saying much but definitely more than what Bernard’s been given with Tim. Still find neither character as good love interests in the end though.

>>149501313
Yeah, I can accept that they at least had the sense to give Jon a boyfriend who can actually go on the adventure with him. He had the dual problem of being irritating and kind of a caricature to start with and also interfering with an established fujo ship.
Bernard has different problems: being a civilian and deprived of his more interesting original personality. But Tim was already a multishipped character and Bernard wasn't as annoying, so he got more buy-in from the fujos (still not a ton, but he has a lot more fan content than Jon/Jay).

We all know they could have solved this dilemma in a number of ways and failed to pick any of them.

>>149501327
> We all know they could have solved this dilemma in a number of ways and failed to pick any of them.
That’s for sure, while it might’ve been the boldest and controversial choice. I definitely think with the right writers that would be interested in exploring it. Tim Drake and Conner Kent should have gotten together. I know most people love the duo as best friends but I definitely think that a romantic relationship between them is foreseeable. I think their dynamic as a couple would have a well built foundation to work upon. Also it’s a play on the Bat/Super dynamic that most enjoy. Audiences don’t see it as off putting between say Kara and Dick. Yes it’s a hetero couple, I think my stance still applies.

>>149501353
And of course the old 'Kon is super straight' doesn't matter because Tim can just be the exception character. Is Kon getting regularly and meaningfully used? No. Do his straight ship/s particularly matter anymore? No. Was Bernard already gay before? No. So there's no real issue aside from inertia. Zap him with the homolust ray.

Better yet, go for full transgression and zap Jason since that's Tim's biggest ship. And make it a diegetic gay laser so it turns into a plot point.