>double agent betrays heroes to villain
>heroes have to convince double agent to switch sides
>or else double agent gets betrayed and switches sides on her own
>double agent effortlessly defeats villain without any external punishment or chastisement
Why is this allowed? In fact, why is it ever allowed to have an ending where the heroes don't defeat the villain on their own?

Terra dying at the end of this movie was super tacked on. This whole universe was edge for the sake of edge.

>>149515782
I don't even understand why she did it. In the 2003 cartoon, they at least made it make sense. But in Judas Contract, she just commits suicide because she's mad, I guess.

>>149515847
>>149515782

it was like that in the original comic as well, except she did it because pissed at all of them

>>149515782
>>149515847
Terra's existence was meant to be edge against Kitty fags and Marvel in the 80's, a cute young girl joining a team was popular at the time
Newer adaptations try to make her more sympathetic at least, but her original version was just evil

No way, fag.

>>149516032
Was she also a slut for Deathstroke in the comics?

>>149516032
Her character was pretty much there to show that some people are just evil and far gone
Which was cool then but I do find victim Terra more interesting

>>149516295
Them casually fucking is something straight from the comics

It's Geo Force I feel bad for.

>>149516032
Really feel her being evil is better, sympathetic kind of neuters her character she's a vindictive asshole who was doing a job for the love of the game. She is much more interesting that way than le groomed or le abused they push now.


Also classic terra was wish /co/ used her more, she literally is a foul mouth schizo punk teen who bangs older men. She's peak /co/ girl

>>149516301
Her death in the comic was also about pure spite
>>149516702
I find an argument for either Terra, I can't really decide which interpretation I prefer
>Also classic terra was wish /co/ used her more, she literally is a foul mouth schizo punk teen who bangs older men. She's peak /co/ girl
I do agree with this though, she's very underrated even on here of all places. I like imagining her like an 80's groupie like Dory Mcclean from Metalocalypse
I've seen 03 Terra fans even like her because they goon to her x Slade, and the comics canonically back them up

>>149515755 (OP)
Funny I just watched a video about Deathstroke and Terra
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=95YTkqz7f5U&pp=ygUIU29saWQgamo%3D

>>149516032
This sounds like someone just publicly expressing cuteness aggression for no good reason.

>>149516032
>>149516301
>>149516702
my problem with this line of reasoning is that Tara is a terrible example of a female villain in that she has no motivation or agency in being evil, it's literally all Slade's doing.

>>149516301
Its kinda funny how 03 Terra did a better job at redeeming her than the movie did.

>>149517432
You're misusing a term the same way that retarded weeb did, and also discounting 80s edge. Terra is still cute, just not a pure princess

>>149517834
not that anon but it's kinda hard to ignore how Marv Wolfman wrote Tara to be legit hated by the fans and not just be loved to hate.

>>149517747
For me it was being Beast Boy and realizing the girl you like is a massive whore, but still not getting over her

>>149516295
>>149516340
Think it was worse in the og as she was super into it and pretty weird. Seems like she was obsessed with slade even though she tried to portray herself as a professional. She also flew off the handle the moment slade dipped/didn't want to fight everyone.

>>149517915
Sounds like she was always the broken groomed teenager that people complain she got turned into

>>149517665
Anon.........this is /co/ we don't have a good track record with female agency caring. I do get your poinnt all jokes aside but she was fine for her time I'm more saying hate the sympathetic route. I'd prefer if they leaned into making her deeper but evil, like you can be deep but pure evil or amoral. In fact it's more fun if the villain has ever reason to change but just doesn't because set in their ways or because they relish the vengence/evil. Like joker we don't want him to change, maybe be toned down from edgelord but still. Think they never truly did the "redemption" well besides maybe 03 TT show and even that was a bit all over.


Terra should be evil more often was my point, and why not lean into it like example why must the girl be the victim. Make her jailbait who teases slade and uses his dead son to keep his hate boner going. Honestly a kid/teen girl manpulating a grown man without actual mind powers or something is 100x more interesting than le groom story again. Especially because it is realistic, lowkey since they were connected to the brother blood and cult/religious arc. Make it have connections to the crucicible which is only story with even remotely similar idea going on.
>>149517116
In my humble opinion still prefer classic but love the 03 animated terra and see she'd be more fun if they weren't trying to make her the only version of terra. Plus think terra's done pretty poorly in most judas contract redos. Really they need to just bring her back and write a new damn arc for once more than anything.

Wait it backed it up? or you mean they learned about the OG terra and now can head canon the grooming vibe? That's kind of hilarious but kind of did like TTG terra because she felt more like what I'd like a comic terra to be fake nice but with little pearls of humanizing but she forgoes it just to be evil or enjoys the misery. Really we also just need more female villians. It's pretty weird now a days a girl can't be a villian anymore.

>>149517116
>>149517665
>>149518096
>>149517934
Ok ironic you said that couldn't fit it but wrote a short snippet with Idea of Terra being more the manipulator. Which I feel is much better for her character as it's rarer and lowkey fits, their are many girls and kids in general that are much smarter than people give them credit for especially girls. Also girls do like men with power, and especially younger girls and older men. I've seen and heard many a story of male teacher harassment and the girl is the creeper. Also many smart young jail bait look at shannon sharpe incident girl was 18 and got 50 mil. So a smart secretly the big bad/using slade's power and resources like a villain sugar daddy terra could be interesting and be good way to give her female agency without making her another sob story villianess turned good like
-cheetah
-catwoman
-circe
-poison ivy
-harley quinn
-tali al ghul
-live wire
-etc

>Beaten and weary from another failed assault on the titans
>Slade: You know what I'm done those kids are to damn tough
>Terra rolls her eyes at the older man's lack of motivation, she walks up to him putting extra sway in her strut
>The petite girl circles the S on slade's chest teasingly, and with a singsongy voice says
>Terra: Ahhhhhh slady, why just because a job got tough you are abandoning him again?
>Slade: W...who?
>He was confused, but in a monetone dripping with venom she reminds him of his cause
>Terra: Your Son!
>Slade was thrown aback, and his face was unreadable he couldn't even look at her fist trembling. Was she right?
>The little manipulator walked around him still digging into the old wound
>Terra:.What must he think knowing daddy just gives up on him as a kid and as a adult knowing his murderers walking free is how much his father cares.
>She didn't need slade she needed the terminator

>>149517892
I don't see the wrong in that

>>149518096
>>149518170
imo you're never gonna get to a pure evil tara that makes sense because being an underage girl is just inherently more sympathetic compared to an adult man. I think a better villain path for her would be a focus on her trying to usurp the throne from brion as it gives her a reason to manipulate the titans and an association with slade.

>>149518357
I think you got to see it more akin to a rian johnson subverting expectations for the sake of subverting expectations.

>>149518170
Circe was never turned good. Circe's basically one of those beyond good and evil characters who does evil or good for trolling, boredom, and messing with WW.

I'd argue that Talia shifted from neutral to evil over the years. I think her shift to evil started around the time Damian was introduced.The real question is how long DC is going to pretend Batman was justified for covering up her committing genocide in Markovia.

Harley and Ivy's 'redemptions' were poorly handled. Harley got a free pass for all the shady things she's done because 'LOL randumb'.

Ivy's situation is weird, it feels like writers and fans decided she was right at some point because of how damage to the environment was starting to affect the real world.

Cheetah's(Barbara) situation is weird. She got cursed because she didn't listen to WW advice about meddling with artifacts and although she was friends with WW before getting cursed, there was some resentment on her part towards WW.

I don't mind her being redeemed, there are other Cheetahs DC could use. My issue is that Silver Swan hasn't gotten her shot at redemption yet. It makes WW look like a terrible godmother, not helping her tortured and mutilated goddaughter get better.

Livewire worked with Superman briefly, but I don't think she's actually made a face turn. She's the sort of person who would commit crimes or help heroes for clout and views, since she was originally a shock jock(has she been retooled into an influencer yet?)
>>149518414
Terra actually liked Brion, based on the time they crossed paths in NTT. I'm surprised DC hasn't put them on a team together.

>>149518096
I feel like Slade x Terra could still happen in the 03 timeline. I really think that Slade isn’t done with her yet. Terra as his apprentice didn’t work, but maybe he thinks that she would work as his wife. I believe he secretly misses her. Even though she’s living a normal life he’ll eventually try to seduce her, so long as she doesn’t recognize who he is but that would involve taking off his mask. Slade wouldn’t have gone through such lengths to keep Beast Boy away from Terra by using the Slade bot in the last episode if he didn’t have plans for her.

>>149515755 (OP)
Tara's punishment was that she was Tara and would never escape being Tara.

>>149518614
>has she been retooled into an influencer yet?
yeah actually, during Batgirl of Burnside.

>>149518614
>Terra actually liked Brion, based on the time they crossed paths in NTT
and I think that's a good internal conflict for her, she doesn't hate Brion but she just thinks she should be the actual ruler.

>>149517747

>>149515755 (OP)
The mesu’est mesugaki.

>>149518414
Why I said more interesting, also kind of proving my point about how dangerous a teenage girl can be since she can weaponize her "innocence". She could be a peak manipulator and no one sees it because she is a young girl. We tend to overlook many female flaws especially when young not realizing it's a sign of sociopathy or negative trait why do you think so many girls now are so toxic and open to use being girl and age as excuses.

I think you just aren't seeing the potential anon, also my point was just gives her a unique power play and also keeps her evil without the agency issues as the other anon said.
>>149518614
Eh guess I only seen her more good of recent, but does fit and I'm fine with that for circe.

Talia yeah you aren't wrong she actually has been more evil with damien to give him less reason to interact with her. Which is ironic with how sympathetic she was when they first stared shipping her with Bruce. Perfect way to make her better/sympathetic is to have a kid and question her morality not become worse lol.

An harley still does a lot of fucked stuff, and they gave her last hurrah a weird mass murder vibe. As right before she became a "anti hero" she literally did the christmas mass kid killings and guess she "regrettted it" but it was all her and she had the choice not to but still did it. Ivy is just her victim as she is only good ish so she can be a dyke with harley. Like really she can't be to villianess because then makes harley look bad for dating her so she's harley's cat woman now.

Yeah not against it but she is WW most iconic rival and her and giganta have been getting the "le girl" so can't be all bad thing. Remember reading like two runs where her and giganta had more heroic moments and idk if official yet but it worries me as seems like a trend of "no more female villianess" which sucks

Ew influencer live wire, prefer her being more punk as they always make influencers cringe. But do love livewire just a example she's peak

>>149518642
Hmmmm interesting horny concept anon, and really would fit slade's level of petty. He "adopts" terra when she wakes up and beast boy is none the wiser.

We really need more classic terra art, idk why kind of like her old school hair style

>>149517747
>>149518906
YJ also failed by not giving Terra an actual personality and focusing on too many characters

>>149519220
The way they convinced her to join the good side is something Slade would do.

>>149516032
So was the Beast Boy x Terra thing from the comics too?