Thread 149519470

Why did the crew hate this guy so much anyway?

>>149519470 (OP)
I don't know even as a kid I thought he was reasonable to join the goverment to stop the superheroes if they turned bad.

>>149519470 (OP)
He was just a boring exposition bot most of the time and didn't get a chance to have an actual character until fucking Legacy, the series finale for STAS.

>>149519470 (OP)
They wanted someone with a tie to Superman that would be able to make a clone of him and Supergirl. At least they showed that Hamilton wasn't evil. Just scared.

Timm is a meathead so smart people intimidate him.

>>149519590
That's it?

>>149519966
Timm is a nerd though.

>>149520558
He's a geek, not a nerd. He was intimidated by all the references to history, Shakespeare, and world mythology in Gargoyles.

>>149519470 (OP)
It is kinda weak that one single interaction where Superman was aggressive and intimidating,
was enough to start making violent metahuman clones under the influence of the government.

>>149520644
>He was intimidated by all the references to history, Shakespeare, and world mythology in Gargoyles.
In today's episode of Things That Never Happened...

>>149521136
>Emru Townsend: Do you see any possibilities for other series that would be animated and yet a bit more serious? Serious doesn't have to be more grim, but just... like Batman was--where you can have action/adventure but have to not necessarily talk down. There was Invasion America, but that was kind of iffy. And Gargoyles was pretty good, but that got subverted toward the end.

>Bruce Timm: Yeah, that whole premise of Gargoyles was kind of namby-pamby anyway, with all that Celtic fantasy crap.

>>149521154
[citation needed]

>>149520934
That one incident could’ve easily lead to the Earth being taken over. It’s a big deal.
One day of terrorist attacks 24 years ago means I can’t take a water bottle on a plane. It shouldn’t be surprising that arguably the world’s strongest hero being mind controlled would make people jumpy.

>>149520934
It wasn't just the one interaction, he was hesitant before because of Superman trying to take over the Earth as Darkseid's minion.

>>149519470 (OP)
He was one of Supermans friends, practically his Alfred. The guy who provided Superman with stuff like Spacesuits and Anti-Kryptonite armor. So him turning on Supes out of fear of him becoming a dictator was a much bigger backstab for the fans than the writers likely intended.

>>149521357
https://web.archive.org/web/20080724105438/http://5x5media.com/eye/inte/btimm-4.php
Timm went into detail about his backgroun in his Modern Masters book. He was a pure capeslop guy. He only learned how to draw well because John K took him under his wing and showed him the ropes about proper cartooning.

>>149521402
Difference is in a Superhero universe something like 9/11 happening is practically a monthly occurance.

>>149521515
>John K
Well that explains why his post DCAU work is so creepy and overly sexual. Especially between Batman and Batgirl.

>>149521518
In the DCAU, stakes creep hadn't set in yet. That was the first time something that bad had ever happened.

>>149519470 (OP)
Ah, there you are Gordon.

>>149521515
He always drew well

>>149521508
Good explanation, but the writing team already despised Hamilton even before the heel turn in Legacy.

>>149521154
>>149521515
Luckily I'm an adult and not a perma-virgin to understand people are allowed to have opinions. Not retard opinions like science bad, and religion good.

>>149521515
Fucking based, I love when people post sources, so much of this place ends up being rumors and whisper network shit

>>149521855
He did not always, which should be a good motivator. His 80s comic work is unrecognizable. Some of it was good, but nowhere near as stylized as he’d become. The way he draws women was largely inspired by Lynne Naylor( John K’s ex) who fixed his manly looking Poison Ivy design

>>149522016
>Lynne Naylor
She wouldn't happen to had worked on Samurai Jack would she? Her style is very similar to a lot of the cartoons of that era.

>>149521925
It was probably out of resentment for Superman even having an 'alfred' character to begin with. Since in the comics he got all his special gadgets from the Fortress Of Solitude and Jor-Els AI.

>>149519470 (OP)
FREEMAN

>>149521855
He learned to draw by tracing superhero comics instead of the proper way. He gave his portfolio samples to Marvel and DC and got rejected by both because he was a terrible artist. Animation was his fallback. You didn't really have to draw well to get a job at Filmation. He got better, but it definitely hurt him in the long run.

>>149522433
You can tell this was a "different time" because he was encouraged to make his women look more feminine.

>>149520644
>>149520558
>>149522433
>>149522634
Timm was one of these people that constantly 'failed upward' until he hit ceilings he couldn't get past. He's very similar to people who are viewed as mediocre like Brett Ratner, who kept getting work because he could come in reasonably under budget and get something pushed out the door.

Enough people have pointed out for years and often here how the writers underneath the "timmverse" were the true talents, yet stupid plebs and normies will still give Timm all the credit, when he doesn't deserve it.

As for his cred, he was a geek about Batgod, but had no deep dive knowledge about DC as a whole without the help of long-term staff at DC or others. He would have been awful as the show runner for Batman - The Brave and the Bold, for example.

>>149523324
He was the unifying person behind all the shows and his instincts and preferences were typically good. But yeah Caped Crusader is what you get when he doesn't have a great team.

>>149520116
iirc he was also a bad guy in the comics, so they really didn't have anything else to add to his character

>>149521836
>half-life but a portal to apokolips opens up

>>149523454
Him turning evil in the comics was somehow even dumber than what happened in the show.

guy who cares about prof. hamilton

>>149523609
>Darkseid steps through his portal
>before he can monologue an orange blur speeds past him, propelled by explosions and compressed clanging sounds
>before he can comprehend what happened the portal closes and Apokolips collapses into itself
>back on Earth, Gordon Freeman checks his watch
>21 minutes 57.2 seconds
>fuck, the record is 20:41

>>149519470 (OP)
Douchey facial hair?

>>149522634
Better times...

>>149521925
As someone mentioned, they just didn’t like writing for him because his only function was to deliver exposition.

Maybe they should have thought of a way to improve him but they never did, so his scenes were always weak until that one scene at the end, which they then called back to as an excuse to turn him against Superman.

Shame they didn't have more episodes, they could've gotten a lot of mileage out of their relationship.

>>149525898
It's kind of a shame because the comic tie in actually gave him a decent few moments

>>149526858
Oh, that's beautiful.

>>149526858
Gonna assume this was written before JLU.

>>149519470 (OP)
It’s a shame if they did. I thought taking the standard crackpot professor/Science Man of old Superman stories and making him more like Diet Smith from Dick Tracy was a cool idea.

>>149526858
>Scott McCloud wrote this
Understanding Comics-man put out a banger.

>>149521947
>Not retard opinions like science bad, and religion good.

>>149528034
Religion is objectively a blight on humanity. We only achieved modern first world standards of living after getting rid of it.

>>149523324
History has proven Alan Burnett to be one of the greatest tard wranglers in the history of animation

>>149527345
yeah by a good deal.

>>149527462
The comic had a lot of big talent really knocking it out of the park. I'm not complaining but it's really insane that so much effort went into a tie in comic.

>>149523415
He might have had decent management instincts, but his instincts were shit. He's part of the problem with all the bat prep time and batwank of the past two decades and the way everything has played out - for example, Green Lanterns. EVERYTHING that has happened, from Cyborg on the cinematic Justice League because Cereal Lord was trying to protect Hal and keep John from being the token black on the team, to the failure of the animated series, and everything else related to adapting GL. It's why we're getting True Detective - the GL not-animated-series, instead of a proper sci fi show.

>>149520934
To be fair, Superman is scary. The only reason we don't think so is because he's a good guy.

>>149529057
>objectively

>>149529770
Yes, you're literate. If the church had its way only gay-ass monks would be allowed to read and write and send you to burn at the stake for trying to learn.

>>149529057
Sad sad poster right here

>>149526858
Fuck that's good