Thread 149542703

Do you think a character who

“Has every right to become a villain” = they have a right to kill innocent people?

>>149542703 (OP)
Depends on the villain

>>149542703 (OP)
The first arc of Moore's Swamp Thing already addressed this.

>>149542703 (OP)
In Modern Day USA you put a baby in them and then they're incapable ability but I only works with female parents.

>>149542703 (OP)
Very few people are actually innocent from Ivy's frame of reference.

>>149542703 (OP)
Depends on the Ivy.

Killing billionaires and industrialists? That's fine.

Killing random men who try to hit on her at a club? Less so.

>>149542703 (OP)
I dont care.

>>149542703 (OP)
No. That's completely retarded. There's no "Right to become a villain." There's an "EXPLANATION" for why they're a villain but they're not RIGHT to do it. You're only supposed to sympathize with villains insofar as you can see what led them to fall and how you might fall if you don't have the strength of character to rise above it but there's no RIGHT to be a villain. One of the first lessons a kid learns is that "someone doing something to you don't mean you should do it to other." What too many fillains see the justification and explanation as a way to hand wave everything they do and it's get tiresome and petty especially when their own sins start to outweigh the wrongs committed to them. To assume otherwise is not only missing the point it's pure selfishness.

>>149542703 (OP)
Poison Ivy should be an anti hero

>>149542948
This. It just means that them becoming a villain made sense, doesn't actually mean they're justified in being a villain.

>>149542703 (OP)
>“Has every right to become a villain” = they have a right to kill innocent people?
No, also fuck that mentality.

A Reason =/= An Excuse

>>149544361
That ship has long sailed.

>>149544021
>disembarks at a city with a horde of monsters
>demands to go through the city
>the captain of the guard, clearly having heard stories of places in Wallachia being attacked by similar monsters, tells Isaac that they are obviously not just going to let him fucking walk in with a bunch of monsters
>Isaac throws a schizo temper tantrum and tries to act like them protecting themselves from monsters is heckin mean and slaughters the city
>doesn't consider avoiding this shit all together by asking the boat captain guy to drop him off along the coast somewhere
Isaac was a fucking dipshit retard and does not deserve the weird "redemption" they gave him.

>>149544987
It is not a redemption arc. I don't mean in the sense that he didn't become a good person; but in the sense that, the show doesn't think that he did anything wrong. It isn't about him making up for past sins but him "forgiving" the world and being the "better man" with his setting breaking evil slavery magic.

>>149542703 (OP)
fuck Ivy. I hate what she is now.

>>149542703 (OP)
Killing innocent people means bogarting any "has a right" to anything ever