THE CURRENT STATE OF DC COMICS - /co/ (#149546190) [Archived: 22 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/25/2025, 6:05:46 AM No.149546190
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The upcoming release of DC KO and the promotional video have me worried for the state of the company and the stories coming forward. I've been disappointed with the publications since 2021. Death Metal was an indication that things might not be going in a direction I was interested in. Now we have an event that is described as the entire DC Universe going into some kind of Mortal Kombat tournament to beat Darkseid in a fistfight? What?

Dan DiDio and Paul Levitz, these guys knew how to run a tight ship. Regardless of what you think of them. As of right now it seems that the starting line is made up of a legion of fanboys with Mark Waid at the helm. Everybody is trying to emulate Geoff Johns, but they lack his ability for lightning-in-a-bottle blockbuster pitches that carried his career.

Now what? Williamson's fast-food fanboy comics? Snyder's infantile absurdity? Tom Taylor's crash-course thrills? Jeremy Adams and his soap-writing? Ram V, Simon Spurrier and Dan Watters are much better suited to their creator-owned passion projects. Their prose holds a cosmetic quality but fails to convey any true innovation. They fail in their pursuit of replicating Alan Moore, taking all the wrong lessons from him and the rest of the British Invasion. They forget (or ignore) Moore's perfect talent for pacing and narrative symmetry in favor of slow burn bloated rambling. Tom King does the same thing, but his failure is in his affinity for constant cynicism. Waid would be much better suited in the editorial office than with the pen.

I feel as though the company has been in decline since the departure of Grant Morrison. I'll always have those comics to return to and reread, gaining something new each time, like all the best literary fiction, music, and film. This is something I do not feel with the current era's trend towards rapid-fire flip reads with predictable dialogue and action figure smash-em-ups. It's all consumerism, not art.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 6:17:08 AM No.149546355
>>149546190 (OP)
>Dan DiDio and Paul Levitz, these guys knew how to run a tight ship. Regardless of what you think of them.
No, what I think of Dan is precisely regarding that.
Tight ship? Dan brought the rats aboard to chew holes into the hull.
How do you think Snyder got in position to shell out this shit?

You're on the nose with everything else though, but I had hoped with Dan's absence everything and everyone would slowly shake off the influence, but I'll concede the fact he's gone and it's still being tolerated has convinced me things are so fucked it's Pavlovian.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 6:31:05 AM No.149546535
>>149546355
It was a classic scenario of 'devil-you-know' syndrome. We got comfortable with DiDio as the antagonist, only to realize how bad things with the current regime are worse than when he was the bogeyman.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:10:09 AM No.149546907
>>149546535
But at least we have Cassandra Cain back, so it's worth it.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:11:38 AM No.149546925
>>149546190 (OP)
Kay
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:22:13 AM No.149547026
>>149546190 (OP)
Hopefully Disney buys out DC Comics.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:23:14 AM No.149547042
>>149546190 (OP)
DC just needs a strong leader (that ain’t Jim Lee) and editors that aren’t afraid to tell writers “No”.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:24:20 AM No.149547058
>>149546190 (OP)
DC hasn’t been good since they moved to California. They should move be back to New York.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:28:57 AM No.149547094
Absolute and All In seem like it's been enough of a hit that it looks like we're gonna have the Snyder/Waid/Williamson trio driving the ship for a little while. Maybe just hop off comics for a bit?

Personally this feels like the first time the company has been exciting in a minute. I'm not a big fan of tournament arcs, so I don't have that much hype for it but the rest looks good.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:33:00 AM No.149547124
>>149547026
Fuck off, Disney shill
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:36:47 AM No.149547156
>>149547026
This would be terrible, Disney has a hilariously bad track record of managing acquired IPs
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:38:14 AM No.149547174
>>149547042
We need a new Jennette Kahn, or some kind of Karen Berger to man the helm
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:49:01 AM No.149547250
>>149546355
>How do you think Snyder got in position to shell out this shit?

Because you ate it up and hyped him as the new messiah.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:51:15 AM No.149547272
I don't think I can say anything positive about another comic event where the heroes fight each over and appeal to the worst type of online "" fans ""and I sure can't say anything positive about didio
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 8:08:19 AM No.149547394
>>149547250
yea people fell for his retarded blabbering about gotham architecture when everything he did in the new 52 was just cheap shitty copies of Morrison's run, his JL was anime bullshit and Tynion yapping
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 8:11:06 AM No.149547413
>>149547272
DC subreddit fans are eating it up like the burger king they drool over their weekly pulls, snyder and williamson are man babies who have never picked up a book with just words besides probably some hack crap by Stephen King or another donkey with a typewriter
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 8:24:29 AM No.149547516
>>149547413
I used to like Snyder's stuff before the whole batman that keks nonsense
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 8:35:38 AM No.149547602
>>149547094
Agreed. I think DC has overall been good to great for the past year or so. Sure some of the books have been bad but that's always going to be the case.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 10:41:10 AM No.149548578
>>149547026
You are a rape victim
I fucking hate disney shills
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 10:44:01 AM No.149548593
>>149547602
I wouldn't say were back at 100 but bu all accounts I feel like a lot of their stuff has been decent to at least inoffensive.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 11:22:14 AM No.149548778
>>149546190 (OP)
Feel like this is completely overlooking the Absolute line which has been a mixture of okay to genuinely great.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:07:30 PM No.149549302
>>149546190 (OP)
If you think Dan and his favorite child Geoff Johns were better than we have now. You are seeing things in rose tinted glasses

>But sales were better

Yeah, piracy wasn’t as bad back then either. Sales numbers dont tell the full story at all.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:17:06 PM No.149549353
>>149546190 (OP)
Dan Didio spent the better part of a decade driving out everyone who was remotely competent. If Rich's leaks are to be believed, Didio was messy enough to get caught fucking Jan Jones while JG Jones was drawing Final Crisis. Imagine letting your dick derail your big summer event. Then the post-Flashpoint Didio era DC was hiring sex predators and yes men who still acted like it was the 90s. For all its flaws, you can't say the current era is worse than 2011-2014.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:37:54 PM No.149549517
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>>149546355
>How do you think Snyder got in position to shell out this shit?
Why do people always just ignore reality to pretend like their canon is facts? After Didio was fired both he and Johns have went on separate podcasts and said about each other that they were the closest collaborators they had in their time at DC and were always on the same page but on /co/ there's this civil war between them when in reality isn't the same. And with your example, there's again reports taht Didio and Snyder got into arguments and one time they got into a real heated fight but because you don't like the two you're willing to pretend they were "the bad guys" and you can freely dislike them while you hail the "good guys" that were simply always forced by editorial to do all the many dumb decisions they made. And Snyder for all you want to demonize him didn't make any huge long lasting damage to anything in the decade or so he was regularly working at DC, didn't even take on a huge number of projects even. Mark Waid has done more harm in the few years he's been back than Snyder did in 10 years.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:42:08 PM No.149549552
>>149549517
>Mark Waid has done more harm in the few years he's been back than Snyder did in 10 years.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:43:04 PM No.149549564
>>149549552
Retard.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:43:18 PM No.149549569
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>>149549517
>Batman who Keks
>Furthering Batgod/DC Batworld nonsense isn’t damaging

Did I just fall for bait or are you actually serious right now
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:45:26 PM No.149549589
>>149549552
That anon has to be fucking retarded.

No way he considers Waid who brought the fun back to the Justice League worst than the guy trivializing DC Cosmic and DC creation history with his lazy fucking OCs that sound like Wattpad characters
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:48:56 PM No.149549628
>>149549569
>>Batman who Keks
What kind of long term damage is this? And answer me honestly because I don't know, but isn't he even dead? It's a character he created and he used, not a character he forced on others. You are either baiting or you're a npc.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:50:03 PM No.149549642
>>149549589
There's nothing fun about old man yelling at clouds Waid. He's a has been nut that has only written important and lore heavy comics since coming back.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 2:58:50 PM No.149550269
>>149549302
In my opinion, one of the last great eras at DC was in the mid-2000s. We had all-timers like Morrison, Johns, Rucka, Meltzer, Winick, Kelly, and even Waid himself pumping out bangers every single week. There was poetry in the scripts, a unified continuity that grew & evolved our beloved Golden, Silver, and Modern age stories with thrum and wonder.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:22:58 PM No.149550540
>>149549517
The subject isn't about the damage Snyder's done, OP's complaint was about the impressions from a Snyder lead event. It makes sense to highlight the complaint stems from Snyder being left at the helm.
>there's again reports taht Didio and Snyder got into arguments and one time they got into a real heated fight
What bizarre conclusion is this? Didio could get into fights with any number of people, like when orders were disobeyed for things like killing off Steph in War Games or his demands during and after 52, that doesn't mean he didn't intend for the people to be aboard and doing what he intended.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:27:39 PM No.149550610
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>>149549628
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:29:40 PM No.149550637
>>149550269
>all-timers
>Winnick
Bruh... and don't get me wrong, mid 00s Waid was already past it, 52 was the only really good thing he was involved in at the time, and Meltzer? Really?
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:37:06 PM No.149550716
>>149550269
Tomasi from that era was good.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:50:06 PM No.149550888
>>149550610
Well, you sure showed him.