So now that the 2 most anticipated superhero movies of the year have debuted, which was better? Personally I'm leaning towards Superman, not to say F4 was bad mind you

I really liked Fantastic Four but I LOVED Superman, so that.

Superman has plenty of issues but it mogs fantastic bore big time

Superman was like a dream come true , basically like an amazing comic book done in the big screen. I was out the capeshit genre after being burn so much now i want to see Lanterns and Supergirl , to the point i went to paid my ticket after watching the camrip.
F4 is just..okay i guess? saw the camrip and had to interest to go to the cinema.

Superman's pacing was break neck and really fun. F4 while good felt very drab by comparison. I liked both for different reasons though.

Loved Superman. Will watch it again next Tuesday.
Won't watch F4 because I'm done with Marvel movies. Not out of sour emotions, mind you. No Way Home, GotG Vol. 3, and Deadpool & Wolverine are just such good sendoffs in my opinion that I can move on from Marvel movies satisfied. Pretty pumped for Gunn's DCU.

I believe it really boils down to this:

Superman had:
>A Clark that didn't curse
>Krypto the super dog
>Dimensional imps
>Shitposting monkies
>Pocket universes
>Clark saving animals and people, trying to find a way to protect a giant monster

Fantastic Four had
>A Galactus that barely used his powers
>A Reed Richards that couldn't stretch as far as his comic counterpart nor did he do anything creative with his powers
>Shalla Ball Silver Surfer instead of Norrin Radd
>A Thing that barely did anything, and hated his iconic catchphrase
>Set in an alt-earth 1960s because the studio didn't have faith in them debuting in something more modern
>Red Ghost, Puppet Master, and Mole Man adventures that we'll never see

I think the only positive was HERBIE when it comes to "we accept that this is a comic book movie"

>>149562355 (OP)
>which was better
Both are tied in the most okayest movie ever award.
I liked how the Fantastic Four started better with a very brief and quick montage explaining who the characters are with cool stuff happening in it instead of Superman's textcrawl that makes Star Wars look epic in comparison.
Fantastic Four doesn't have atrocious face closeups like Superman, but Superman had Lex Luthor to compensate.

>>149562513
>Reed Richards that couldn't stretch as far as his comic counterpart nor did he do anything creative with his powers
You could replace Reed Richards with an older Peter Parker and nothing would have to be changed due to how his stretch powers are mostly used for mobility and sometimes kicking and pulling.

Superman was shit and Fantastic Four was shit. They committed the sin that no comic book movie should ever commit and that is not have any stakes. Both feel like filler episodes to a series in its 5th season. If i am paying money to watch something i don't want what i am paying for to feel like a footnote in the character's history. Gunn and the guy who wrote wandavision suck at this and it shows. Honestly i am tired of these filler movies.

>>149562609
>not have any stakes
What in the flying fuck are you rambling about? How were there no stakes in either? Are you just repeating a common complaint in fiction and hoping it applies here for some reason?

Galactus was wasted oh my god. Can literally eat planets and they defeated him that easily. He should have been an Avengers level threat.

>>149562727
He wasn't defeated. He just got teleported.

I hope F4 has a hand in fast tracking The Terrifics over at WB for the DCU. Maybe Gunn can do the stretching more justice on screen, and take things a step further with the mass shifting

>>149562626
> What in the flying fuck are you rambling about? How were there no stakes in either?
Both films have world ending events but don't feel like it. There is no sense of urgency. It feels like there no stakes and everything is handled and resolved in a flippant way.

>>149562355 (OP)
One has a good original score and the other does not. One has Gunn visuals the other does not.

>>149562761
>Maybe Gunn can do the stretching more justice on screen, and take things a step further with the mass shifting
It's funny how the 2005 Mr. Fantastic still has the coolest or at least visually interesting stretchy feats in live action.
I haven't seen Miss Marvel or The Marvels but I assume they are mediocre.

>>149562355 (OP)
Superman was made for normies who hate comicbooks and dc superheroes. Fantastic Four is better.

>>149562937
>Superman was made for normies who hate comicbooks and dc superheroes
More like the opposite. Superman wasn't ashamed of its comic origins, whereas F4 was too embarrassed to have Thing say "it's clobberin time" more than once. They basically did the >"Doc Ock??? XD" moment from NWH again.

>>149562937
See>>149562513

>>149562937
>Superman was made for normies who hate comicbooks and dc superheroes
Lol

Lmao even

That was EASILY the most comic booky superhero movie ever made.

>>149562856
>I haven't seen Miss Marvel or The Marvels but I assume they are mediocre.
MCU Kamala doesn't stretch, change size, or shapeshift. She has bracelets that basically give her Green Lantern construct fists and shields, only purple. In fact comic Kamala has been retconned into a mutant and has those powers now

>>149562355 (OP)
Superman felt generically superman.

>>149562355 (OP)
Surprised capeshit is still doing well in the current year

>>149562355 (OP)
Fantastic Four was above average Marvel slop but it still has most of the flaws those movies have where you can't really feel the director behind it because they just throw whoever at them without any real vision. Love him or hate him Superman was definitely a Gunn movie and just had more going on with it.

>>149563017
Does Miss Marvel have an Iron Man 3 moment; without the thing that gives you powers, what are you

>>149562513
Superman had:
>an ugly superman in a garbage costume
>a shitty jor el
>a fat, ugly, bald pa kent
>shitty industry plant characters
>an ugly dog in a cape
>Superman who killed Ultraman

Fantastic Four had:
>fantastic space scenes
>Reed being an actual leader
>a sexy, better version of the silver surfer. (you're gay if you want norrin radd).
>herbie and franklin
>a stan lee cameo
>a Thing thats does stuff and said his catchphrase

Superman set a new standard.

>>149562963
>>149563012
Warner Bros is afraid of making Superman a stoic gigachad like he's supposed to be, you know, like in the comics. Also James Gunn didn't even know Superman's middle name.

>>149563036
> Surprised capeshit is still doing well in the current year
It really isn't. Capeshit is slowly but surely dying. Both of these films are flopping internationally and going to do worst than Thor 4 box office wise.They will both probably do about 625 million.Americans seem to be the only people that care about Capeshit while the rest of the world has moved on. With Toy and video game films on the horizon i can't see how capeshit will survive the onslaught.

>>149563090
You're not even trying

>>149563123
Disney-Marvel at least has been trying to get more games with their heroes out so it can sort of loop back into kiddies wanting to watch movies and read comics.
I don't know if WB-DC are satisfied with just putting skins in Fortnite after cancelling games people would have had mild interest in like Wonder Woman and Batman Beyond

>>149563187
WB as a whole is fucking retarded and i hope they can at least license the DC so more people can learn about their heroes first that way
WB Games is so fucking dogshit KTJL killed the Wonder woman game

>>149563187
WB should really just start licensing out DC stuff for video games. You can have Rocksteady doing Batman and Netherrealm doing Injustice in house while at the same time letting other teams do some other projects.

I unironically think a game set in Gotham Academy by the Life Is Strange people would be a big hit.

>>149563478
>Gotham Academy
speaking of, I'm STILL waiting on an omni DC

>>149562355 (OP)
Both were shit. I won't watch either of them again.

Luthor autistic rage was fun to watch.

Galactus looked cool, but he barely did anything interesting.

Overall I enjoyed both movies, but I found Superman more memorable.

>>149562355 (OP)
Superman. F4 was just boring at least Superman, dumb as it could be was entertaining. Also the CGI baby was fucking horrifying, actually Twilight tier. Galactus was doing them a favor by taking that nigga off their hands

>>149562513
>Reed Richards that couldn't stretch
this was weird. He literally gets defeated by Galactus stretching him. feels like if you beat Aquaman by drowning him.

>>149563017

I hate movie synergy.

>>149562761
>>149562856
I've just resolved the only fun/creative cinematic stretching we'll see is Elastigirl in the Incredibles.

>>149562355 (OP)
Superman had better content while F4 had better structure

>>149563017
i was worried mcu would steal green lantern thuner with kamala
i am glad that shit BOMBED hard lmao , green lantern will be beloved soon enought these effects were fantastic

>>149562355 (OP)
I liked the Fantastic Four.

>>149563114
You don't read comics, Snydercuck

>>149562355 (OP)
>they never once made fun of Superman's briefs in the new movie
That was the biggest plot twist in that film.

>>149562513
>A Clark that didn't curse
He said supershit and piss.

>>149563818
Honestly, you're right. I'm genuinely stunned they never once lampshaded or winked at the camera about the trunks. At most Lex just says he has a stupid outfit.

>>149563701
>green lantern will be beloved soon enough
Guy is going to get sidelined alongside Hal in the Lantern show so don't get excited.
Source: Guy's ass

>>149563827
Only when quoting others. When he's speaking naturally, using his own dialect he says things like "What the hey."

>>149563930
He said what the hell when he learned what Ultraman is

>>149563926
>Jessica has animation
>Guy has movies
>Hal and John, but mostly John, have TV
I don't see the problem. Simon will probably be with Jessica in the cartoon. We just need Kyle to find a home now.

>>149562355 (OP)
Superman hands down was better, but the masses will choose F4 no matter what.

>>149563963
The remaining options are theater and audio dramas

>>149563926
people loved John back in the day with JLU so lets see
Even Sneeder wanted to use John instead of Hal

>>149563966
>masses will choose F4
Actually looking unlikely at this point, it seems kind of frontloaded and isn't holding as well Thurs-Fri as Superman did which indicates it's more fanboy slanted. Superman is looking to have a better OW, domestically at least.

>>149562513
>A Thing that barely did anything, and hated his iconic catchphrase
I won't be able to see Fantastic Four until next week but as a character Thing has a certain energy to him the trailers all seem to be lacking. He comes across like some kind of depressive sadboy. Ben can be a bit of a tragic character, but he's also the groups confident bruiser. He's upset he's a rockmonster but quirks like his many catchphrases just flow out of him naturally. He's very much a New Yorker. He has that New Yorker spirit about him and the film seems to have stripped that from him.

>>149564099
He's not that depressed in the actual movie. He and Johnny are usually the ones lightening the mood with brotherly banter.
People that keep saying Thing did nothing are just sad that Marvel remembered that Ben is also an elite pilot and his biggest contribution in the movie is being an elite pilot during the escape.

>>149564157
people are saying he did nothing because he doesn't really have much of an arc and easily has the least personal story out of any of the members. His main contribution was just piloting the ship like you said.

>>149564184
>much of an arc
His arc that most people know, accepting becoming a hard rocker, is too heavily tied with the family's origin story and much like death of Uncle Ben, it has been done enough.
It's a weird complaint to begin with since nobody had an arc except maybe Shalla Bal. Nobody in the 4 changed or learned something after the Galactus ordeal. It's not like the family was strained or became a little distant with uncertainty like the 2005 movie and the sequel. They started as a family, the movie ended with them as a family+1.

>>149564506
He doesn't have an arc or any real personal story at all. Reed and Sue have their baby and the entire final act around that, Johnny has his subplot with the Silver Surfer.

Ben has.. he pilots the ship and marries that one lady I guess. Even his "it's clobbering time," moment they were cockteasing people with was super underwhelming given it accomplishes literally nothing and ends with him faceplanted into the ground.

>>149564556
>marries that one lady I guess.
Fucking excuse me? He marries that lady? But she's not Alicia.

There was a chaotic energy to Superman that was really fun.
Fantastic Four is an adequate crowd pleaser but is too toned down to pack much of a punch.

>>149562355 (OP)
Fantastic Four, definitely. Superman was fun but really messy.

>>149564635
>is too toned down to pack much of a punch.
Yeah, that was a bit of a head scratcher for me too. For all the elements they took from the comics, at the end of the day the movie seems ashamed of using them.

>>149564760
The movie was edited to hell and back because it has to be a win for the next Avengers to have any hope at all, so they played it as safely as possible and trimmed anything that could've been a risk. This is why it's mandated to be under 2 hrs and a bunch of shit that you can even see in the trailers got cut. They wanted to play it as safe as humanely possible.

Which is weird, because you'd expect Gunn to do the same thing with Superman due to how much is riding on that movie and while they kind of did editing out some of the more risky stuff like Ultraman punching the dog, Guy calling Superman a pussy, etc. it still is a cocaine fueled comic book trip.

>>149562771
>oth films have world ending events but don't feel like it. There is no sense of urgency. It feels like there no stakes and everything is handled and resolved in a flippant way.
I'm calling bait or retarded.

>>149564798
>Guy calling Superman a pussy
Can't have that in a PG 13 movie

>>149564798
I think audiences have been brain trained to expect the world of these superhero movies to operate under a specific set of rules and Superman broke all of those rules. As a result it comes across as more bloated then it actually is. Though dialogue certainly has some clunky moments.

Comic movies tend to operate as if the world only unfolds while the viewer is watching. ESPECIALLY Marvel. They present passive worlds. A reflection of our own world that just happens to have heroes and super science drip fed into it. Things move slow and everything is introduced ahead of time so that audiences aren't put-off by something that the powers that be consider "confusing" for some reason. Superman just presents a world that has had heroes for 300 years.

It's much more akin to how non-capeshit movies operate. If you look at a movie like Ocean's 11 the heist team not only has prior knowledge of one another, they're introduced and assembled in the span of a few minutes. They even talk about individuals we don't get to meet during this time. We don't need a film for each character because the movie sets everything up. Its how stories have been told for centuries. The minor characters get quick moments, the major characters get longer sequences. Superman has no interest in drip feeding and slowly introducing these concepts. It just presents a fleshed out world that has already been breathing for quite some time.

>>149562937
This. Superman is for people who think goofy is what comics good and not the character drama. The fact that Clark Kent is barely used tells everything you need to know.

>>149562433
>I was out the capeshit genre after being burn so much now i want to see Lanterns and Supergirl
I'm still worried about the Lanterns desu. Lindelof and King are not to be trusted.

>>149562355 (OP)
Both were shit.

>>149564506
Making the definitive adaptation should be more important than not doing things already adapted in worse movies. Both of these movies are worse for it. And tje biggest offender i Spider-Man. It's a shitty meta perspective that won't stand the test of time.

X-Men cant adapt Dark Phoenix, First Class, Apocalypse, Magneto and the Brotherhood etc, because Fox already did light adaptations of those stories. Looking forward to MCU X-Men being Glob, Rockslide and Maggot going up against Onslaught (who will have no relation to Charles or Magneto).

>>149564571
She'll get fridged with the incursion anyways.

>>149562937
>Superman was made for normies
Lol, this movie confused normies. This is one of the reasons it bombed overseas. It was made specifically for hardcore comic book nerds.

>>149564986
reminds me of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. You don't get Gimli or Legolas's origin. They're just part of the team with a line or two about where they're from and there you go.

Gandalf is never really explained in the movies, yeah yeah I know he's an angel or whatever in service of Eru but nobody watching Fellowship knows that. He's just a wizard and you just accept wizards exist in this world and he can do magic shit and helps out, no long drawn out origin.

>>149565036
She fucking better die. Alicia is the only girl for the ever lovin blue eyed Thing.

>>149563827
>He said supershit and piss.
Only in the Spanish dubbed version in the English version he didn't curse.

>>149565056
I do recall him muttering "supershit," when Lex reveals the monkeys, think he might've said it in the interview with Lois too when he gets pissy.

>>149562761
>fast tracking The Terrifics
Nah, they should just make a solo movie about Plastic Man. He's right up Gunn's alley and would fit well with Gunn's humor and his love of underdogs.

>>149565048
Its how most movies, television shows, and written stories present their world. But capeshit film fans don't really understand that for some reason so you get reactions like the ones we saw for Suicide Squad and Justice League where people couldn't accept and ensemble film can introduce multiple characters at once. Not that those movies don't have other issues, but even the concept was foreign to the general public after years of conditioning.

>>149565065
Lois says it, and he says something like "Hashtag Supershit? Lois you know I don't like that one!" and she apologizes. Then, when Lex shows him the monkeys he quietly asks "Hashtag supershit...?" and Lex confirms he started it. Otherwise he goes out of his way not to curse throughout the film.

>>149562355 (OP)
The Fanta 4 movie has it the easiest of them all. It just needs to be better than previous movies of the same franchise.

>>149565074
I kind of feel like Gunn is just going to use the Justice Gang to make a psuedo JLI movie.

>>149565089
Doom aside I really don't think the first 00s movie is bad. It just fails hard with Doom and that's a huge mark against it. The cast has great chemistry and they nailed the 4. I haven't revisited Rise of the Silver Surfer since I first saw it in theaters so I can't speak on its quality. I know I didn't like that they kind of just found a way to have Johnny do everything since he was easily the most popular character.

>>149565091
>Guy
>Hawkgirl
>Mr. Terrific
>Probably Jaime and Booster (if they are actually casting Booster young like rumors suggest)
Add Fire and Ice and I'm okay with this.

>>149565108
>if they are actually casting Booster young like rumors suggest
Trades recently confirmed that Booster will not be playing by that jeet. The rumors turned out to be false.

>>149565114
That's not the one I'm talking about. That dude is like almost 50. There was one I saw a few days ago that they're looking for a Booster in his 20s. If that happens they're probably going to pair him with Xolo Mariduena's Jaime instead of with Ted Kord.

>>149565130
>Xolo Mariduena's Jaime
His movie bombed tho. I highly doubt he will be part of Gunnverse.

>>149565144
he's already confirmed to be anon, they're doing an animated show for him. not sure if his movie will be canon but the actor is reprising the role.

>>149565149
I think his movie is just soft canon. The films director is directly involved with the animated series. It really doesn't have any ties to the DCEU.

>>149565028
>definitive adaptation
Nobody needs to see Krypton get blown up and baby Kal getting sent to Earth again.
Nobody needs to see Uncle Ben get jumped by an Italian, and Peter figuring out the ropes again.
Nobody needs to see the Fantastic Four get space ray'ed followed by Ben being suicidal while the rest of the family try to give him emotional support.
>Looking forward to MCU X-Men being Glob, Rockslide and Maggot going up against Onslaught
Suggesting Magneto and the Brotherhood as a faction/characters won't exist in future adaptations is false equivalence and an asinine logical leap. Especially when Disney themselves revealed that they are getting the old cast back for your member berries. The other examples are equally inane when the 2025 F4 movie is practically a remake of the 2007 F4 movie.
I don't want to see another goddamn Dark Phoenix adaptation regardless of quality, but death and drama sells so you will get one in 2030 or whenever the climax of their so-called "mutant saga" needs to happen.
Will MCU skip First Class, or the origin story of how Xavier and Magneto started their respective gang of misfits. Most likely. And nobody cares, because like the destruction of Krypton, it's a setting that can be explained with "it happened" and everybody moving on for more pressing matters like Magneto activating a device that turns humans into sludge, or Lex Luthor gaslighting the world to hate Superman while he tries to kill him.

>>149564635
>>149564760
>>149562513
F4 didn't want to fail.
That's it.
They had no other prerogative.
Not be fun
Not be interesting
Not be rewatchable
Not fail
It was probably the most anal retentive I've seen a capeshit movie be.

>>149565002
That’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. Clark Kent, the journalist, is a disguise used mainly for comedy. He’s not Peter Parker. Or do you think Superman’s real identity is that of a mild-mannered person pretending to be confident? The real Clark Kent is a lot in the movie, in all his interactions with Lois and the Kents and even with the robots at the fortress of solitude.

Superman on virtue of I'm a fan of the franchise and James Gunn made Superman relevant, and fun again.

>>149565216
>made Superman relevant
Dude, Superman bombed hard overseas. And even domestically his numbers are just okay-ish.

>>149565223
His domestic numbers are not just okay-ish and bombing over seas is a good thing because we can finally stop pandering to them.

>>149565223
>Dude, Superman bombed hard overseas.
Who cares what the world thinks about the American way you fucking faggot.
lol
LMAO EVEN

>>149565223
>overseas
who cares. This is Superman, not Mister Worldwide.

>>149562355 (OP)
Scifi Sweater Fantastic 4 suits vs MCU-ified meaningless lines for flair Superman suit
which is less of an eyesore?