Miracleman - /co/ (#149562741)

Anonymous
7/26/2025, 6:17:06 AM No.149562741
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It's a good comic but it has some flaws. I think it's silly that all of Miracleman's memories were fake but his godlike superpowers weren't. Also I don't understand why Gargunza needed Miracleman's child when he could've just cloned him or something.

Neil Gaiman's fanfiction isn't canon btw.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 6:30:51 AM No.149562895
>>149562741 (OP)
I can't recall everything exactly, but I feel Moore ironed out most things even if not perfectly.
>I think it's silly that all of Miracleman's memories were fake but his godlike superpowers weren't.
I don't see why? The idea was to experiment with said incalculable potential to generate something from imagination through test subjects, but keep them docile in their use in their subconscious and ethics during field tests.
If Michael had no implanted memories and knew from the beginning he was a test subject he'd be as paranoid and psychotic as Kid Miracleman, seeing everyone as a threat or victim.
And had the story been about fake memories with no basis I'm not sure what it would achieve? Michael gets shot in the first issue, the end.
>Also I don't understand why Gargunza needed Miracleman's child when he could've just cloned him or something.
I think Gargunza assumed Winter would have no developed brain/cognizance so he could do what he liked with the body without fear of consequences unlike trying to wrestle the supernatural forms from the test subjects or guaranteeing a mindwipe of the personas the test subjects grafted onto the supernatural forms.

Gargunza was also ultimately a very horrible person, whatever Gaiman's difficulties following Moore's story in consistency, I think the short story about Gargunza and the Andy Warhol clone did a good job of really driving that home in a way that felt in character.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 7:58:40 AM No.149563700
>>149562741 (OP)
It starts well and has some good qualities throughout, but overall it's not that good and it falls apart somewhere in the middle and never recovers. Alan Moore fanboys overrate it to an absurd degree.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 8:07:45 AM No.149563793
>>149563700
Book 3 is the best part.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 8:17:04 AM No.149563880
>>149562741 (OP)
>>149562895
>>149563700
I think the book needed more focus on their fake lives together. For example Miracleman and Kid Miracleman basically grew up together as brothers and the only real people the other knows but they don't show their shared past much so it doesn't seem as tragic as it should realistically be.
I mean it is tragic but the book puts no focus at all on their relationship and shared history
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 8:18:33 AM No.149563897
>>149563880
but in defence, i'm pretty sure Gargunza couldn't clone another one because the Military commandeered the Alien tech when he deserted. That's how they made Big Ben.
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 8:20:11 AM No.149563912
>>149563880
like seriously he spends all that time moping about how alone he is and how his real life sucks compared to the life he used to have, and he completely forgets his comrade is still alive and stuck in a hospital. The plot works off the assumption that he just completely forgets a huge part of his past life is still there to reconnect with
Anonymous
7/26/2025, 9:21:24 AM No.149564520
>>149563793
Completely disagree.

>>149563880
I don't disagree with you, but I also don't think Moore was going for "tragic".
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 1:07:12 PM No.149565519
>>149564520
I thought he was, because of how sappy MM always is about “that fake life was the REAL life that fake life was the BETTER life I wish I never woke up…”

But it’s important for other stuff too. When trying to put yourself in KM’s shoes it’s important because we don’t see his fall into evil only the result of it. In the conclusion in chapter 15 MM says he thinks KM acts this way because he never truly woke up from the dream world, so everything since has been his crazed confused reaction as if he still lives there.
and that’s hard to wrap your head around when we barely know his relationship to the dreamworld. I can reason he probably loved it and being thrust into the real world is a constant state of sorrow and fight or flight in comparison. But I can only reason that for myself, i’m never shown it.
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Anonymous
7/26/2025, 1:20:13 PM No.149565572
>>149565519
*through repeat reads I think you can basically judge the different characters based off how they were removed/thrust into the real world.
MM adjusted the best for thinking it was all a strange dream for years after he fully built a human identity. Eventually he sinks into a deeper depression as he sees his powerfantasy life bleaken the world around him he used to have
YN went completely crazed because he was used for pure powerfantasy in Zarathustra, and when confronted with the horror of his real life could only madly continue to lash out with power the only way he knows to in the dream workd where it all made sense
KM’s a middleground, thrust completely out of his element, alone, with only his own unstoppable power to rely on to sustain himself. Despite not being born into evil like YN, became hateful, misanthropic and got a god complex over time, because he couldn’t adjust, being just a young kid who saw fit to always protect himself he eventually saw everything in the real world as a threat to destroy
MW had the easiest exit, though because of her sad and disgusting human life where she is raped by Gargunza. She forsook a human life entirely, instead only seeing herself as Miraclewoman and accepting her godhood easily. Reingorced by Gaiman’s planned ending to Silver Age where she works with Gargunza to take over, because she wants to be a total goddess, and not a benevolent overseer. Essential mindbroken into being thankful Gargunza improved her life so much

There’s a lot of insight to take from their characters, but emotionally it’s weakened when we see so little of their nostalgic happy lives in the simulation.