Your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to save Mac Gargan from the shitpile.
Bonus Points if:
>He's still a turbo chud "I'm WALKEN HEAH" NYC caricature
>Either a part of the Sinister Six or enjoys similar infamy
>Consistently able to pose a real threat to supers, enough to get one over on them (especially if they underestimate him)

put a claw on the tail so he can pick up heavy objects and toss them around

>>149619998 (OP)
Just give him a symbiote again.

>>149620014
Unironically based.
>>149620065
Dude we can't just make everything venom. Symbiotes are rad but the whole stint he has as Norman's spider man was good specifically because it didn't go on forever.

Scorpion was basically tailor-made to defeat Spider-Man, right? Making him a credible threat would be as easy as having him bump off a few of the umpteen Spidey knock-offs running around, or have him slap around any hero who Spider-Man can and has gone toe-to-toe with, if you could just be allowed to strip them of plot armor.

>>149619998 (OP)
>Gargan's private investigator background makes a lot of Spidey's rogues' gallery leerily of him. Who knows how much he's got on them or who's even paying, if any. Gargan could screw them over. He's a scorpion; it's in his nature, after all.
>Gargan is the mechanic to Peter's Engineer, able to maintain his scorpion gear, but can't upgrade it by himself.
>To make up for this, he's physically stronger than Spider-Man. Able to challenge Spider-Man's stronger foes.
>Facing Spider-Man has them get more New Yorker as the conflict goes on.

Straight up, the only thing you can do is change his entire character setting. There's nothing really wrong with his suit. The thing that's always held Scorpion back is Gargan himself. He's kind of a dumbass, he's not particularly skilled at anything, he's carried entirely by just the suit. If you really want to make Scorpion a consistent threat, you have to make Gargan smarter and more competent.

Scorpion's suit being so powerful is the reason he posed such a threat to Peter early on. But Peter is way, way fucking smarter than Gargan, so the more they fight, the more Peter comes out on top. Gargan is incapable of improving himself to the same degree as Spider-Man. This is kind of why most of Peter's most dangerous long-running enemies are super-geniuses, or have powers and abilities that are difficult for Peter to deal with no matter what. There isn't a whole lot Gargan can do that Norman or Venom can't do better, aside from having a tail that shoots poison.

The question isn't how you make Gargan good. The question is how you make Gargan CONSISTENTLY good. How do you prevent Peter from outpacing him? He can only rely on his suit for so long before Peter gets completely used to it and develops countermeasures against it.

>>149619998 (OP)
Actually do something with the fact that he was driven insane by his origin

>>149619998 (OP)
Scorpions are known for being really tough and armored. Mac needs to be as durable, give him tougher bulletproof skin and make him more like a Luke Cage/Wrecker who can stick to walls.

Outside of that the guy really just needs to not be portrayed as some dumb lug who happened to get superpowers one day. He's more of a normal guy but not exactly like Sandman who was some dumb nobody who upgraded to superpowered purse snatcher.

>>149619998 (OP)
I'm not sure why he is not a bigger level villain than dumb mook. He's basically evil Spider-Man without webshooters, that should get him a decent rank as a mid tier New York villain.

As a hired snoop that can stick to walls, he can probably make way more money being more of a higher class snoop for hire that can easily ninja right into any place he wants to steal corporate info, sneak pics of celebrities in their 40th floor highrise, and he can easily handle any level of security that tries to stop him. He has no reason to bother robbing banks, he should be doing industrial espionage and sabotaging for big money. Or contract killing of high level names again in the 40th floor of a highrise.

>>149620850
Because Spider-Man's rogues gallery is hilariously lopsided in terms of skill, powerlevels and smarts, and Peter tends to be used to fighting bigger threats.

Also, the Sinister Six is kinda fucked by its premise. Like it's cool that six of Peter's rogues team up, but that also means that Peter inevitably has to be able to defeat more than one of them at once. Scorpion being a regular of that club means that he's often fighting Spider-Man with a numerical advantage, and Spider-Man kinda has to eventually win in spite of that. So yeah, the Sinister Six is cool, but losing despite teaming up isn't exactly a good look for them.

He's now a huge Yankees fan, him and Pete constantly argue about whether the Yankees or the Mets are better when they fight

>>149620720
This I think is the key to making him interesting and compelling.
He's a foil to Parker in that he too is some random jabroni who got unlucky, but instead of becoming a beloved hero who can camouflage as a civilian like Peter, Mac got locked in a suit that sets his brain on fire.

>>149620673
>The question isn't how you make Gargan good.
>The question is how you make Gargan CONSISTENTLY good.
>How do you prevent Peter from outpacing him?
>He can only rely on his suit for so long before Peter gets completely used to it and develops countermeasures against it.
I think to the above anon's point this is where ruthlessness and the mental fuckery of the suit can come in.
Parker is smarter, way smarter, but Gargan is an opportunist and the literal bug psychology the suit keeps pushing him towards makes him ruthless.
Maybe Scorpion can end up looking like this:
>He's an absolute beast against anyone less than Spidey, open the special with him leveling Daredevil or something
>Obsessed with getting free of the suit, villains like Norman and Ock manipulate him constantly using this to get him to do their bidding
>Quickly earns a reputation as not just a dickhead but someone with very dangerous focus, intensified the longer he's in the suit
>He's a boogeyman in NYC, like Adam Smasher in Cyberpunk - the suit is scary for sure but it's the fact he's willing to cross any line he needs to that makes him really dangerous
So, in addition to being strong enough to give Parker a run for his money if he slips, Mac's big strength is his willingness to cross the lines Spidey won't and to take options Parker's too goodie-two-shoes to even consider.
Even though Spidey would usually come out on top, it's never without damage. Gargan gets people hurt and killed, and it always ends up weighing on Peter when it happens.
After all, how was he not smart enough to save them from Mac fuckin' Gargan? Not fast enough? Not strong enough?
So Gargan's big threat would be him always doing damage to Parker's morale and psyche, win or lose. Before long Spidey could even start making mistakes because he's getting caught up in his own head over it while Gargan by contrast gets more and more primal thanks to the suit.

Just lean into the fact that he was a private investigator hired by Jameson to investigate Parker, then made into a stronger-but-crazy/evil Spider-Man.

>>149620850
>As a hired snoop that can stick to walls, he can probably make way more money being more of a higher class snoop for hire that can easily ninja right into any place he wants to steal corporate info, sneak pics of celebrities in their 40th floor highrise, and he can easily handle any level of security that tries to stop him. >He has no reason to bother robbing banks, he should be doing industrial espionage and sabotaging for big money. >Or contract killing of high level names again in the 40th floor of a highrise.
I need shitbag corpo spy/ paparazzo Scorpion so badly. What a great fucking angle considering he was a P.I.

>>149621122
>Mac got locked in a suit that sets his brain on fire.
Being stuck in a suit makes him too similar to Rhino.

We usually get a "Scorpion doesn't fit or is replaced in Spidey's rogues' gallery."

Why not run with that? Make him a vigilante PI, a real dark Spider-Man.
Run with "I'm a scorpion, it's my nature". He works with or against both sides, but only really follows Gagan's morals, what little he has.

His suit is outclass? Have him have a dark version of Peter's grit and ingenuity.

>Give him another tail

>>149619998 (OP)
Don't fix him. Gargan has all this history/baggage that doesn't improve him as a character. There's good history that adds something to a character (e.g. Death of Gwen Stacy), and there's bad history (Gwen secretly slept with Norman and made turbo aging kids that got her killed, but ackshually she was part of a bigger plan by Harry to have Mysterio...).

The only part of him worth salvaging is his connection to Jameson, and frankly, after JJJ had his wife killed by Scorpion during the BND period, there's no much left to do there. Make a final story to give closure to the JJJ connection and kill him off. Villaija being finished for good gives a feeling of progress to the titular hero, even if it's actually illusory. It's more real than reusing ALL of them forever.

The IDEA of Scorpion is fine. Gargan is dead weight. Make a new scorpion in the wake of Scorpion's death. One inspired by him. Jameson had strong media and political powers, AND he flip-flopped on Spider-Man publicly (for reasons the public doesn't know) and was seen interacting with him frequently. Imagine a character inspired by Gargan's PI history who thinks there's a conspiracy centred behind figures like Jameson, and Spider-Man, some real schizophrenic shit, that's jumping at conspiracies that do and don't exist. Killing powerful figures (or ones he thinks are powerful/connected), but thinking that there's something deeper tied to PP and JJJ, particularly JJJ's past that he's no longer proud of. Have him reveal shit about them. Some real, some not.

Play with the ideas of Gargan that worked, without the baggage that attached themselves to him.

You just make Gargan an insane experiment gone wrong, made to simply compete or humiliate Spidey, but goes psychotic and just wants to wreck shit all power crazed

Spidey beats him with brains vs brawn, Scorpion develops a grudge, keep him strong, a threat, and willing to kill civilians, doneski

It doesn't need to be complex, the problem is Spidey writers love to make villains job too hard and become punching bags

Make him a girl

>>149619998 (OP)
In his first appearance, he looks like he is some sort of private investigator. So he should be a very aggressive and streetwise thief or hitman. He has claws which are venomous and his tail can whack just like it was originally, but it also has a pointy tip. Making the tail do more things is dumb. His costume should be like the one in ASM 318, but maybe the outline of his eyes in the mask could be a little bit sharpier. But not too much, it would look like a cheap Spider-Man mask. He shouldn't be "Spider-Man but he is bad," things like the scorpion sense are retarded. Considering all this, he could easily fight against other characters. Like Captain America, Daredevil, Deadpool, Luke Cage, and even Wolverine. What I'm trying to say is that he could have more appearances in other books. He has a lot of potential, and that makes me very angry because they don't use it

>>149624354
I will specify that I was talking about 318's cover

>>149619998 (OP)
Make him into an Evil Peter Parker. Brilliant guy stuck as a working-class grunt because he was impulsive/stupid as a kid and turned to supervillainy in order to try to get out of the rat race except he lacks the emotional maturity to maintain stability in his career, so he's still stuck.

I'd probably characterize him more based on his appearance: big guy in armor with a dangerous tail screams "I was emotionally/physically violated in the past".

>>149620850
Great idea.

>>149619998 (OP)
Maybe he just needs to fight another hero. Maybe Ms.Marvel?

>>149619998 (OP)
His peak was Spider-man TAS in the 90s

>>149619998 (OP)
He paulie from sopranos in a mask and with a stinger constantly attached to his back so he cant do anything that involves sitting down
He is angry as fuck cause he cant shit
He also stalks spider man and fucks with him,knows his identity but uses the info to torment him
Parker luck caused a taxi to drive away ?
Scorpion hired 20 indians to hog the taxis
Aunt may shat on peters new couch ?
Scorpion put carolina reapers in her takeout
Paul and mj got together ?
Mj is scorpion and paul is the tail
He will feel real stupid
Kingpin elected again ?
Scorpion has been running a grass roots campaign
Parker shits himself ?
Scorpion has been raping him to make his butthole loose

Honestly, Gargan kinda works in regards to his function. At first, he's a massive problem with Peter because his suit can mimic a lot of Peter's powers while also being tougher, stronger and having that obnoxious tail. But Gargan was always the kinda guy that Peter would have to surpass and overcome if he's gonna keep up this superhero gig. Gargan was never gonna be a massive heavy hitter. In the grand scheme of Marvel as a whole, he's lower-mid-tier. How is Peter supposed to handle bigger and worse threats if he can't take down Gargan?

Plus, his suit's great and all, but Smythe was always inferior to Norman and Otto.

>>149623870
There are 2 female Scorpions running around IIRC

bump

THOUGHT IT WAS OVER DIDN'TCHA SPIDAH MAN

>>149624508
This. If high-school Peter was "brilliant, but lazy," then high-school Gargan should have been "smart, but impulsive." He got into trouble, went to juvie where, yeah, maybe he was abused and never went to college. He spent his adult years drifting around doing odd-jobs as a PI until he met Jameson and got the suit.

But play into the fact that he's outwardly vicious, internally vulnerable, smart, and impulsive. Maybe he's spent too long doing jobs for other villains to upgrade his suit and now he wants the respect of the NY big-leagues?

his designs are so cool

Good discussion guys.
I think there's a good gimmick to be had here even if we don't have him locked into the suit, since as another anon pointed out that's already Rhino's schtick.
Play him like you would a heroic underdog, just as a villain. Even if he loses 9 times out of 10, make it so that the second someone underestimates them they get gutted by the stinger or kicked through a wall.
His 'superpowers' become that he's
>ruthless
>streetwise
>hard as nails
>Isn't afraid of / intimidated by anyone, no matter how strong they are
I think you'd end up with readers rooting for him even though he's a prick as long as every bout between him and a super is like a Rocky movie.
Instead of *just* being a goon, he's the guy the corporations, gangs, and villains hire to do the crazy shit that no one with any reasonable amount of fear or scruples would do.
>He'll walk through the sewers
>He'll start a gang war by attacking a peace deal, no questions asked
>He'll take footage of the mayor cheating on his wife.
>He'll burn down that cop's house, you know the one who's on to your scheme, and he'll burn it with the wife and kids inside
>He'll snoop around the Baxter Building, because he's not afraid of some stretchy jerk with a fancy degree
As long as he's a *consistent* threat he doesn't actually need to win more often. Just needs to give people a better run for their money and be super lethal if he catches them off guard.

>>149626674
idk, i still think that Marvel thought that he looked lame for more than two decades so since then they try to make him look cool. But it always feels exaggerated or, ironically, generic. And I think that they're self aware of this because he always gets redesigned

>>149627867
im fine with him having a bunch of designs if most of them are good

>>149629210
Me too. I think that partly just comes with being a Spidey villain.

>>149619998 (OP)
Turn him into Venom.
Like give him a symbiote again but let him do his own thing with it. Now he can be all in on being a monster, take human form, and be a threat to Spider-Man and Venom.

Well my idea is that he would be sorta like Spider-Man’s own bane. I mean yeah I know that basically venom but hasn’t been a villain in the comics for awhile now. So make him similar to bane as he originally was a private eye and he has the powers of a scorpion. As scorpions have an incredible sense of smell and have a similar sense of vibrations like a spider. So he could use that to track down Peter and discover his identity and use that against him. Either for black mail or something else that would be used to torture him.

>>149629710
yeah

Why do so many of Spider-Man's villains involve being fused into a suit or apparatus of some kind, anyway?

I'd like to see a Raimi movie with Scorpion as the villain

>>149630925
Does Raimi like Scorpion?

>>149619998 (OP)
You can't fix perfection

>>149619998 (OP)
How often does he fight Venom now? I remember them fighting once but I reckon he'd become a Venom rogue by virtue of being a bitter ex by now.

>>149619998 (OP)
He looks better with his mouth masked

>>149635604
10,000%
>>149634375
I'm curious about this too. I know he enjoyed all the strange he got while he and the symbiote were larping as spider man. He's probably bitter.

>>149630016
I kind of feel like a symbiote or something similar to it is the best way to include the tail as a part of the costume. Mac having some super advanced robo tail despite being a normal guy that knows fuckall about robotics doesn't seem to work out so well for long.

It needs to be something that can be quickly fixed or self repair.

>>149635604
I'd say Scorpion looks bad when the skin of his mouth isn't covered. Ditko knew what he was doing. I'm partial to the classic look where you can see his lips but it's still covered by the green of the suit. Full-mask can still be cool though.

I'm seeing a lot of good ideas here in the thread. Scorpion being more of a P.I. is interesting. Maybe he should cross over more with the secret agent side of Marvel more. Scorpion being either stealthy or super strong and destructive could be formidable. Imagine Black Widow being tailed (heh) by Scorpion and she figures out he's there and then he switches up his suit which is able to inject him with the strength stuff or morph mechanically into a bigger suit. Then Widow or any other lower level character has to deal with that.
Also Scorpion essentially being a spy or Mossad agent who could go rogue due to the drugs messing with him might be interesting. Not literally a mossad agent but agents suddenly going rogue and hurting their own country is pretty fitting with the scorpion and the frog metaphor. Let's hope Gargan doesn't go back to Infamous Spider-Man and end up like Epstein, kek. Also Gargan blackmailing Jameson and the media vould be an interesting story beyond blackmailing Jameson about Spider-Man. You'd think they would use Gargan as an investigator for the Jackal's clone saga/conspiracy (no, not Slott's story) but I guess not. They hadn't planned it out that way.
Gargan also being the one to always do the unthinkable like the bigger villains (except Venom) also would help amp up his menace. See? That's a good title for him. Scorpion: Menace. Nobody cares about Lily anyway.

>>149621036
kek

>>149636616
>I'd say Scorpion looks bad when the skin of his mouth isn't covered. Ditko knew what he was doing.
Agreed and his classic design is pretty unique

>>149619998 (OP)
I actually thought of this before. Scorpion has always been one of my favorite villains, he's kinda like a mirror to spider-man (before venom)

If I was given the opportunity to work on a scorpion comic I would put some focus on Mac Gargan's pre scorpion days as a private detective. I think it would be cool seeing a noir style comic of Gargan exploring the NYC underworld which would give an opportunuty to introduce characters that can play a part in later scorpion stories. I would also put more of a focus on the insanity of the scorpion and portray his life as a tragedy maybe he can have an opportunity for redemption if spidey helps him regain his sanity

>>149638119
No

Redemption is gay, most of the times

I want villains that are pure evil. And Scorpion should be one of them.

>>149619998 (OP)
Pic related was pretty cool. I think this'd be a good place to start.

>>149625847
Yeah, and one of them has nothing to do with him from what I know

>>149635944
The symbiote would allow him to look human at times, giving him more of an edge when he can pop out of nowhere .

>>149634375
Not too often. Which is sad, I think they had potential for a good rivalry almost

>>149619998 (OP)
Dude, Venom exists, it's over...actually, make him take Venom's spot since Venom is good now

>>149637858
It would be perfect for it to just reside in the underlayer of a bigger suit of armor or mech suit. Like pic rel. Maybe it could have a mask that goes over the mouth and looks like >>149638633 or pic rel.
Yep I know it's the Big Time (I think?) or Smythe design (I think he made it in-umiverse) but even if it's connected to Slott, it's pretty good. A more Scorpion-like mouth for a bigger suit that goes around the classic suit is like Lizard transforming from Ditko's design to 90's TAS Lizard gradually or Electro's mask being the electricity he generates himself. It's the best of both worlds.

>>149638542
youre probably 12 years old

>>149619998 (OP)
Okay if unremarkable design.
>>149621122
A little goofy but the hollow eyes help make him more intimidating.
>>149621150
This slick, deadly thing was the best Scorpion ever looked, and of course it was wasted on a worthless throwaway character in an AU.
>>149621274
Can't bring myself to hate this campy look.
>>149636616
...it looked better in the comics with more muted colors though.
>>149623325
Looks too much like another Goblin. Is this AI?
>>149630016
Looks kinda cool but I don't want more Venom Gargan, that ship has sailed.
>>149638633
Getting tryhard there. Shouldn't be anything more than a one-off mutation maybe.
>>149640985
This one's okay but too bulky for my liking. Maybe as a power-up mode for his armor. I'd also like to see someone besides Ramos draw it.

>>149640985
I like the idea but as already said I think the suit it a little too bulky

>>149643112
Yeah as >>149642025 says I think we want to lean into the sleek, ninja vibe rather than the big bruiser one.
His whole deal is that he fits the heavy hits down into a lithe, lethal, and stealthy package.
I think the suit needs to stay around the bulk of a Metal Gear sneaking suit. Anything too big and it starts feeling clown shoes.

>>149619998 (OP)
Give him a green symbiote, again.

>>149621036
I could totally see Pete sussing out what team his villains support and making jokes about them losing recently

>>149643631
I feel like Shocker is a Red Wings fan or something. And pete doesn't even know hockey but takes time to bust his balls over their w/l record.

>>149642025
>Can't bring myself to hate this campy look.
The only thing that really didn't work about the TAS design was the mask. Having multiple shades of green looks pretty good and breaks-up the silhouette so it isn't just solid green with black stripes.

>>149619998 (OP)
He really needs a better look. Almost everything else falls into place when a character has a great look and people genuinely like to see them make an appearance. Venom is a stupid idea on paper but he looks really cool so he kept getting appearances and was turned into a hero so he could have more appearances and his own mini.

Scorpion is definitely a product of incredibly short production times and they needed a villain fast, so they went with quick simple green suit with stripes. Which makes him look bland and almost exactly like every other green villain out there.

He needs a costume upgrade that makes him look good enough for readers to want him to appear more. I would rather keep him in the realm of evil Spider-Man with a similar type of 1-2 color costume over the bulky mecha armors that are being posted here. Huge armor seems like it works against the whole agile bug powered guy theme.

I always liked the 90s era MacFarlane eyes style mask. I would rather it also have white interior like Spider-Man and Venom instead of just showing his own eyes and skin too.

>>149645255
Plus Vulture and Mysterio already have the plain green long johns with something like stripes or lines all over anyway. To a lesser degree Sandman too. It's overdone and of the group, Scorpion has the least iconic look so he can have changes made with fewer issues.

>>149636616
I got the impression the Ditko design was closer to a ski mask and he was meant to look like some kind of scorpion themed masked bank robber type. It's a weird balance since he already has financial backing and a super expensive robo tail while going cheap on the costume itself that doesn't really cover his whole face.

>>149645352
>I got the impression the Ditko design was closer to a ski mask and he was meant to look like some kind of scorpion themed masked bank robber type. It's a weird balance since he already has financial backing and a super expensive robo tail while going cheap on the costume itself that doesn't really cover his whole face.
Please underwear, Jameson only had money for the tail and genetic engineering

>>149636616
This image kind of expresses what I don't really like about the character, the robo tail thing seems to take over as the main focus. any fight he almost always replies on the tail doing all the fighting like another Dock Ock, that it's easy to forget he also has superpowers too, and might actually be stronger than the tail, especially in 60s stories when all it did was bash stuff. He can do that with his hands.

I'm not really a fan of the movie-esque style of turning half the villains into Iron Man lite villains in suits of armor like Raimi Goblin, 2011 Rhino, and MCU Vulture. Enough with the damn mech suits already. The guy has superpowers, let that be his thing. Half the spidey villains use some kind of high tech gadget already, Scorpion needs to be a superpowered villain not another guy in armor.

>>149643257
Agreed

>>149645503
I think making the tail retractable would do a lot. It would give him versatility, mire chances for a surprise "get over here" or quick sting attack, and very importantly it would avoid that autistic thing where writers and artists don't know how to make the tail work in an environment so we just don't get Scorp altogether.

>>149619998 (OP)
Go back to his roots as the "Anti-Spiderman" and just beef him up. Maybe have him manage to replicate the spider that bit Peter, but instead with a scorpion, giving him scorpion powers or something, but it's really just a copy of Spider-Man's powers + Mecha laser tail. I have fixed Scorpion.

>>149646859
>but instead with a scorpion, giving him scorpion powers or something,
This is literally his origin, but it drove him insane

>>149646922
Yeah, just skip that part, and make him competent like Peter instead of a bumbling dumbass.

>>149642025
>>149643257
Even though Spidey already has multiple "strength" baddies, I feel like Scorpion should be one too, though not as fuckhuge as Rhino or even Venom, I feel like he should be somewhere in between....not a design that immediately says "big guy for you" but definitely more reliant on strength than speed or agility

And this is simply because of the theming, I don't like getting too on the nose with characters needing to be super close to an animal theme, not everyone with an animal theme is The Lizard, but when it comes to Spidey vs. Scorpion I do prefer the idea that it kinda mirrors how the actual animals are

Spiders, can be very fast, and don't really ever rely on power. Scorpions vary, but the reason they generally eat spiders is just that they're bigger and tougher and more equipped for actual fighting, while spiders are pretty much reliant on webbing and senses or venom for the most part, which makes them seem like the lighter, craftier creature, compared to scorpions who pretty much just are defensive little tanks who have the advantage of pincers to overpower other bugs, like spiders

>>149647535
Scorpions use venom obviously but it goes one of two ways. Larger scorpions rely on strong pincers more and have weaker venom, while tiny scorpions with little pincers have stronger venom, but even they still would overpower smaller prey like spiders just because they actually have pincers to grab with

Spiders can be pretty strong, but even like big bird eating tarantulas in the jungle are like ambush predators more so than like toe to toe combatants, which still kind of lends to the idea, and besides Spider-Man never really gives those kind of spider vibes since his main weapon is using webbing and craftyness

>>149645503
I think Scorpion being LIGHTLY armored/techy works but it shouldn't be a full robo suit, just keep it to the tail which is obviously mechanized and maybe having a slightly more tech looking costume, though not fully armor plated, than Spider-Man to reflect that Scorpion was built in a lab with intention and Spider-Man made his own costume at home with nothing but common fabrics

This is also another way Scorpion actually mirrors Spidey, in that his body has enhanced everything pretty much, he's pretty much a generic "super person" but he also uses a bit of tech, Spidey with his web shooters, and Scorpion with his tail

>>149647535
This isn't bad but I like when the stinger has both a blaster and a stinger part

>>149646950
Well the one insanity part is what turned him villainous, he wasn't before. Though it's not consistent, initially he was just basically unhinged and power mad, but these days where he's incompetent he's usually portrayed as pretty sane, just stupid, like all the other rogues like Electro though a bit more violent maybe and driven by grudges on top of money, but not really crazy at all

>>149648752
He regained his sanity a bit during the clone saga, but Peter mind broke him again by beating him senseless while he was defenseless.

>Fix Him
Okay, someone researches his condition and finds a way to cure his insanity and depower him and the first thing he does once he gets his mind back after he finishes having the worst PTSD imaginable is steal the research and use it to turn JJ into the new Scorpion in an act of ultimate revenge. The fallout from this ends up exposing JJ's role in the creation of multiple supervillains, ruining his life. Scorpion meanwhile checks himself into an asylum to deal with remembering all those whores he ate among other horrors.

There. Congrats. Mac's no longer a joke and you have a brand new Scorpion to do new storylines with.

>>149649751
That one just came and went huh? No legacy, was forgotten right after his arc was over IIRC.

>>149650236
I mean it's pretty lame, I guess it's legacy is MCU/Spider-Verse writers having a boner for Ultimate and hatred of 616, so they made Mack Mexican and tattooed while still retaining more of the 616 gimmick

>im...not feeling okay

>>149619998 (OP)
I actually came up with a remade “scorpion” character design that works better than Mac. I can’t share it here at the moment, but as far as fixing Mac, I would give him an improved super-suit that doesn’t have a tail. The tail has always looked dumb. Then focus on him as a character without the suit too. Explore more about his past and his personality.

>>149621036
Unironically this.

>>149650798
>without the tail
I get everyone has an opinion but literally all scorpions have tails and it's one of the main features the design everybody knows, has. I don't mind it retracting but getting rid of it entirely seems too radical of a change.

>>149650798
>I would give him an improved super-suit that doesn’t have a tail. The tail has always looked dumb.
I mean, a tail with a stinger is literally the main thing scorpions are known for.

>>149650798
>>149650867
A scorpion only has two things, a tail and pincers. And a character with pincers but no tail, is going to be automatically reminding people of a lobster or crab more than a scorpion

You could go tailless if he was reworked as like a mercenary type character who's codename is "scorpion" but doesn't have any actual traits, maybe just a scorpion symbol or something or like a handheld weapon that is poison stinger based, but at that point it's too different of an idea

>>149619998 (OP)
>Make him mainly a Ms./Captain Marvel villain
>Make him an actual P.I.
Look just hear me out, simply change his origin so he is looking for Carol instead of Peter since she also worked for the Bugle in ye olden days AND would leave her job at random to play hero. Hired and funded by Jameson he gets into a crazy ass suit with a tail 'cause only a Marvel can take out another Marvel.
The difference is with Mac being a legit P.I. (Maybe ex-cop?) his downfall into a monster is even more tragic, which goes into what I think is more important than him just going crazy: Scorpion is full of self-pity. He is self-destructive and blames everyone but himself, and the suit allows him to 'make justice' against those who 'wrong' him. Make him extremely volatile, jumpy, priorizing self-preservation over all else... like a real scorpion. He stings first, asks later, which makes him dangerous to everyone alike.
His suit is equipped with not only the basic super strength and wall crawling, put spiky pincers as well capable of cutting through and holding to anything, and his tail functions almost like a second brain, a type of "scorpion-sense" that makes it so he can stab you in seconds before you approach, piercing through any metal with ease. On top of that, it can also shoot! Lethal poisons and chemicals of various types are stored into his "backpack" ready to be used.
While his powers are crazy strong he prowls the rooftops of New York since it's his home, trying to make a life out of the cards he's been dealt, but always spiraling into a cycle of self-hate that he projects onto the heroes and civilians who he blames for ending up in rock bottom. The whole world failed him, he was a mess and nobody helped him, just like Carol Danvers... But she gets to play a hero? He will never understand, for him, the world is only him

>>149649092
I like it.

>>149650859
>>149650867
>>149650914
Right. I get that. And the one thing everyone knows about spiders is that they have 8 legs. A super-scorpion man doesn’t need to be a scorpion lycanthrope. Scorpion’s biggest issue is bad design, as others have pointed out, and his tail always looks akward.

>>149650914
That’s literally spider-man. Without the symbol and the name, nothing about his design is especially spider-like apart from the webbing and the eyes, sorta.

>>149651065
Well with Spider-Man, there's enough done very cleverly actually. It's not like he has any visage of a spider, like how Batman or Wolverine do, but webs are a known trademark of spiders and he's covered in webs, he also shoots webs, he has a spider symbol and a vaguely "buggish" look with the mask even if it's not how spider eyes look, and he poses all distorted and creepy like how spiders legs look all bent and angular

Scorpions have a lot less to work with, you kinda gotta hit the nail on the head if its actually supposed to be a "scorpion guy" and not like "codename: scorpion". I don't really have a problem with the tail, I get it's kinda goofy but to me most things in capeshit are, like Kravens outfit and Mysterios to me, are the dumbest looking.

>>149619998 (OP)
I don’t know if this would fix him but this is what I’d do. He’s suppose to be a better SpiderMan, a planned mutation, using a scorpion instead of a spider. This is a program funded by Kingpin, they get some junkie bum off the street, went through like 5 bums before it got to Mac Gargan It’s flawed though. Mutation is still killing him but they went over budget so they build a life support system on him like Darth Vader, his tail is both mechanical and biological. Know the acid venom is literally his body pumping out the toxin killing him. Now he’s a rage machine of a man that’s literally a victim but still a threat. That’s how I’d handle scorpion anyway just turn him into a living weapon, and a living reflection of what the mutation could’ve done to Peter. This way he has handlers but if left to his own devices he’d be a grunt looking for a quick score or a hit to full the pain.

>>149651126
I agree that the tail could work, it’s just so far I don’t think it has. I would be fine with scorpion having forearm launchers or retractable attachments that are stingers.

>>149651208
Forgot pic. Not suggesting we should just copy mk scorpion btw.

>>149619998 (OP)
Have him be the stereotypical New Yorker and let him kill spider boy

Alright what about an idea of any of the Daily Bugle staffers who might be interested in doing a piece on the place itself? Like a retrospective as it adapts to the modern world. In the process it could lead to Scorpion and thus, this staffer draws the ire of Gargan and this becomes a saga like Robbie and Tombstone?

Except maybe Gargan can be both strong and stealthy. So there's that GG/Venom element of stalking this character but also a mix of hiring other mercs, like Kingpin does, to trail this reporter? I could see Gargan wanting to keep up the pressure but also want to do his own jobs to make money.

His blackmail network would basically both work for criminals and also corrupt institutions like the Bugle. Also Scorpion's claws need to be retractable mechanized ones as well. Him just using his hands by making a Lego minifig gesture is kinda too goofy even though that's how Ditko depicted it.

For my money who this staffer would be? I dunno as I kinda need to read more Spidey but maybe Joy Mercado could be the one. She seems interesting. She doesn't have as many ties as Brant, Robbie, or Urich have. I would also involve Jacob Conover and Lance Bannon but one died and the other turned into a version of the Rose. Man that sounds real bad, can't believe DeFalco wrote that. Maybe it's not as bad once I get to it.

>>149651158
Not to get off topic but this is kinda my origin for an OC ive been toying with for years from the old /co/ heroes threads on here, this is an AI design of what I've thought about. He was kinda inspired by Scorpion but how I would have done him, but also ideas of him being in an OC world I've developed for fun as an anti-hero

He's not deformed or anything but is basically like a rando who volunteered for criminal experimentation because he's off the grid and poor and becomes more powerful than expected. If it's not too obnoxious or derailing I'll post a couple images I rendered for opinions cause I'm not sure what direction I wanna go when I actually go to work designing him for real (i dont do art stuff that much)

>>149651439
Probably obvious but he is a Centipede themed character

>>149651221
Talking about him, originally he was going to have a scorpion tail, but it was too awkward, so they settled with the "spear".

>>149651096
Anon he would look like a green crab. The Green Crab. Crabman.

>>149651221
Scorpion MK is a sometimes scoprion themed ninja, sometimes skull themed, sometimes mix of both. It's that thing though, he has no relations to scorpions like Spider-Man does to spiders, it's just a codename. He's a ninja first and foremost design wise, and a hellborn spirit/codenamed Scorpion secondmost

>>149651439
>and becomes more powerful than expected
I like that

>>149651629
I’m not saying he should have claws either, or even that he should be green. He needs a better design.

>>149651670
The Man in the Green suit, aka the Scorpion

>>149651670
Oh crap I didnt read the green part. So replace green with brown or black in my last post

>>149651636
I used that pic to illustrate that his spear-rope things were reminiscent enough of a scorpion’s stinger for people to make the connection between his name and his abilities. Something as simple as that could be enough for Mac’s redesign.

>>149651439
>>149651449
You could name him, The Human Centipede.

>>149651759
I mean his costume design is a highlight.

>>149651439
>>149651449
Give him toxicognaths!

>>149651636
He is a ghost-rider mixed with a scorpion mixed with ninja.
They struggled to with the scorpion element, because of this, it is so weak.

>>149651439
>>149651516
>Mmmm nice thunder ya got there.
>>149651158

>>149651759
I could never thing of a name other than "The Centipede", "Darksting" or "Nightsting", this was the original based on the template lawl

>>149651739
I think you anons could still have what you want but still maintain the overall OG design.
>Still retain the tail but keep it more horizontal instead of curling up towards his back.
>Add black shapes/patterns to break up the green parts in the torso/chest kinda like Shocker. Maybe keep the thin black lines in certain sections.

>>149651901
Maybe infestation?

>>149651901
Myraid-Man?

>>149651907
Yeah, I could see that.

>>149651922
Very edgy 90s which kinda works
>>149651952
Makes me think of Multiple Man

>>149651828
I think it works, cause "Scorpion" is very much like, at least the old sensationalized idea of ninjas, some badass codename, but he's not a scorpion man at all, just a deadly code name. I still like the designs that further incorporate the scorpion theme like MK9 alt especially, but ultimately his gimmick is more a reborn ninja from hell, rather than being actual any kind of scorpion dude

>>149645503
It's basically impossible to make a robo arm coming out of his ass not look goofy. It makes no sense to waste time on making something like that instead of a normal robo arm or mecha suit for normal people.

The main problem with Scorpion is that he has nothing that is not already being used on a more popular character.
>Dock Ock does the robot appendages better
>Venom does the evil bug guy better
>Sand Man does the superpowered dumb nobody with no idea what to do better
>Vulture does the animal themed gadget guy better

>>149653150
It makes sense
>if you have a tail, you can use both of your arms and have a third apendage for shooting/striking
Like actually, making it come out of his arm makes no sense, it cripples him, it looks "cooler" from like a tacticool design standpoint, but it makes less sense, may as well just keep a gun in your hand

>>149642025
He doesn't have to be Venom, just give him a symbiote without the baggage and let him be a menace.

>>149619998 (OP)
Do I have to?

What about a design somewhat like imperfect cell?

>>149655241
Yes
>>149656220
This is exactly how I think we fix the tail. It's as long as it needs to be for the plot and retracts tidily away into his backpack thing when not helpful.

>>149656220
>>149656371
Forgot the pic, my bad

I feel like all you have to do to make him functional is make him physically superior to Peter, scorpions kill spiders, so it all comes down to who they are as men, as people, this is where Peter edges out, functionally he's a strategic genius in contrast to Mac's vicious simplicity and thematically he's the better man.

The worst thing you can do to Spider-Man is making him strong enough to brute force everything, he spends most of his fights LITERALLY hanging on by a thread.

>>149656371
>Yes
Damn

Get ride of the suit and give him the Lasher Symbiote or something like it. Better yet just get ride of Mac and make Lasher/1610 clone Peter the new Scorpion. Mac kind of sucks so if he gets sunset nothing of value is lost.

>>149651221
Too bad Reptile is the green one

>>149658110
I would at least want an anti-Spider-Man to have a look similar to this. The symbiote would also solve the problem brought up by >>149635944 by including a tail, but it's not a high tech mechanical thing Gargan has to go have fixed or rebuilt each time he reappears.

>>149651221
It could work if he was painted green, having a ninja suit like pic related and adding a scorpion logo on his chest like Spiderman.

>>149651221
>>149660828
Remember when the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon did that

And made Scorpion into Iron Fist's rival from K'un-Lun

>>149656604
Scorpion was physically superior to Spider-Man it seemed like, or at least just on par and more brutal of a fighter, but by the 00s Spidey got so wanked that he was stronger than ALL of his villains and probably, anyone in the world, he just doesnt use his full potential!!!!!!!!!

>>149661217
Power level is like the one area modern Spidey comics haven't gutted him for some reason.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-brand-new-day-mark-ruffalo-1236232140/
Michael Mando will finally return as Scorpion after 9 fucking years
Let's hope he's cool in the film

>>149661213
That show was fuckin’ weird.

Make him a Spider-Slayer who constantly gets upgrades so he is always a threat.

>>149651815
How would you implement them design wise? I was thinking like he just has them as claws on his fingers

>>149661213
I like this design

They should introduce this guy in the comics as a new Scorpio

>>149619998 (OP)
Fix who?

>>149619998 (OP)
>Fix Him
Fixer?

>>149650356
tbf, the spider-verse movies are set in a world that loosely resembles the Ultimate one, it makes sense that they gave him a spic prisoner coat of paint or made Norman dress like the goblin despite having his 1610-like mutation, to make them recognisable by the public despite being their lesser known counterparts

>>149661213
>>149662496
he also gets his og ultimate costume later and gets venomed once
he is also voiced by dante bosco

>>149665775
kino video

>>149666230
He should have kept the chain sickle

Since that's what he was apparently trained on using

>>149663442
That would work. I picture him having one long curved spike on each forearm that can fold or retract.

>>149660828
>>149661213
Yeah. This is somewhat what I’m envisioning but more streamlined and sleek, closer to spider-man’s design. Scorpion should really be a foil to spider-man in abilities and design.

>>149667435
Sort of like when Otto became Superior Spider-Man, but “Superior Scorpion.”

>>149666371
Agree

>>149619998 (OP)
>He's still a turbo chud "I'm WALKEN HEAH" NYC caricature
I like the idea of a Mac who acts like an evil Sam Spade.

>>149620065
>Just give him a symbiote again.
Wait. He did that before?

>>149619998 (OP)
I've said this before but for fuck's sake, please remember he's a fucking PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR.
First off, it could show off that he's actually more than a dumb mook.
Secondly, having him stalk and torment his victims (be it Spider-Man, Jonah or somebody else) Reverse-Flash style would do wonders for his threat level.

>>149668224
Yes

>>149665775
>Guy was a total simp for Rita Demara
Understandable really

>>149668224
He was the 00s Venom for the most part, had a unique design at first but quickly just got drawn with Eddie's look

He kinda sucked, the whole thing was just "Youre not the REAL VENOM, you're a fucking loser who can't do shit even with his powers LOOLOLOLOL" and he constantly jobbed, got ripped out of the symbiote, got insulted and berated by the symbiote, and character wise is probably the whole reason some people now think Venom was a dumb villain who just runs around screaming about eating brains and has no intelligence, because that's how he was often portrayed in the symbiote

This was explained as like, the symbiote overpowered his apparently weak brain and just let its base urges run rampant while he was locked inside being its bitch

>>149669240
That whole thing was a salty hate campaign on both Venom and Scorpion, idk why boomers hate these characters so much, they seem to hate any villain other than Goblin who was actually a physical match for Peter

Venom NEVER lost to Peter in the 90s, his whole point was that he was more powerful so Peter had to like, use team ups, tricks, smarts to beat him etc. It put him in peril, which is actually interesting. But a lot of Spidey fans want borderline SoL where the romance is more important than the villains

>>149669281

>>149669281
>Squints at the Mephisto retcon, then back at you, all slow-like.
They done the Goblin dirty, horse. Real dirty. Poor feller got rode hard and put up wet, and not a soul blinked twice.