Thread 149711321

If Avatar had good writing like Andor then Jet would have not only been justified but also praised for being willing to kill the Fire Nation soldiers at the cost of the civilian settlers.

>>149711321 (OP)

I praised Jet as a kid. Major kid's shows I grew up with always say getting revenge for genocide or war is wrong. If you're a victim, just accept the new reality you live in, because reasons. (Avatar/Naruto/Bleach/etc)

I doubt Andor actively praises any faction based on what I've heard of it.

>>149711353
No one was saying to accept it, just don’t target civilians. I mean for fuck sake there are plenty of of Fire Nation military targets out there. Why go for the fucking civvies?

>>149711353
Andor is a bit unique in that the rebel character whose whole deal is that "the ends justify the means" is actually framed as being valid and venerated at the end. Like in literally any other show, he would be a bad guy.

>>149711392

If there's a gentleman's agreement between the two nations under international law? Sure.
But in total warfare, civilians just reinforce the enemy system.

I've forgotten why it was historically decided civilian targets are bad, is it because of economics or WW2 trauma?

>>149711321 (OP)
>>149711430
It was an Earth Kingdom village. It was occupied but still 90% Earth Kingdom civilians, just like Haru's village. That's why what Jet was doing was horrific, he was willing to kill his own people to get at the enemy.

>>149711392
Because it's an easy target. How often do terrorists actually target military targets and not civilian centers? If it advances their agenda in any way while expending as little effort and resources as possible, then it's practical. Doesn't make it good and Jet was obviously in the wrong. Andor would probably frame Jet like a psycho, I find a little weird how the series treats Jet not that bad of a guy relatively speaking.
>>149711429
Yeah, but he didn't advocate for flooding a village.

>>149711499
>Yeah, but he didn't advocate for flooding a village.
He essentially assisted the Empire in setting up the pretext that would allow them to genocide a planet, because such an horrific incident would incite even more people to join the Rebellion.

>Andor
>good writing
Choose one

>>149711608
Okay, what's good writing in the current era, past 5 years?

>>149711608
>Andor (great writing)

>Jet thinks killing random civilians including children is good because 5 soldiers might also die
Brilliant.

>>149711430
>But in total warfare, civilians just reinforce the enemy system
How’s does a child or random house wife reinforce the enemy system? You want to bring up taxes? Then at that point all you would need to do is just find where they keep the money and take it. If it’s factory work then just destroy it. I mean a person can reinforce the system if there is no action they can take to do it.

>>149711499
Terrorism by its very nature is about inspiring fear in those you’re against. But it’s always a knife’s edge since fear is something that needs to constantly be maintained or else people will see through the facade or ire will take its place. And if you lose or cannot maintain power the the people you once terrorized will now be coming for your head and they will show no mercy as you have shown that you lack any humanity and ability to be reasoned with.

>>149711464
A necessary evil to achieve victory sometimes, proven right numerous times throughout history.

>>149711535
Luthen didn't know about anything that was going on at Ghorman. All he knew was that the Empire was interested in the planet, and it being a rich core-world, would make it more easy to use it as a wake up call to other people in the core worlds, that no planet was safe from occupation.
The Ghorman liberation group were just useful idiots, whom he could goad into doing something stupid, so that the Empire would have to crack down on them.
He knew that some innocents would get caught in the crossfire, he even hoped for it, but he had no idea just how bad it would actually turn out, or that the Empire already had their own plans set up.
And in the end, while his overall plan worked, he still failed at the smaller parts, because it wasn't an act of terrorism that the Empire would crack down on, but instead a peaceful protest that they themselves had masterfully lured in, and crafted a whole narrative around.
Luthen could have stood back and not done anything, and he would still have gotten his martyr.
Andor is about people who think they're in control, without realizing just how little in control they actually are, with most failing because of it.

>>149711353
bleach never did this

>>149711321 (OP)
SHUT UP CHUD HAVE SOME MEDIA LITERACY