Thread 149714071

All those unpaid overtime shills did nothing

Avengers and Spider-Man will probably still make a billion next year. A movie's quality doesn't really decide it's performance at the box office nowadays, it's all to do with hype, memes, or/and nostalgia.

>>149714088
FF are supposed to be integral going forward and they totally flopped instead. I expect the next 2 avenger movies to be heavily reshot until they finally put this multiverse shit to rest

>>149714071 (OP)
>El Hombre Fantastico
>The Invisible Horse
>The Human Twink
>Stupid-voiced Rock Man
It was fucked from the second they announced the cast.

>>149714105
Imagine being this much of an assmad faggot

Bad news everyone, Critkal says mix sucks donkey balls which means it’s the next Uwe Boll film and next Avengers will make 2 million at the box office

>>149714071 (OP)
We had over 100 years over superhero movies even if the big ones slow down, this shit never dying out so who cares.

>>149714108
I'm sure this will stop the movie from flopping

>>149714071 (OP)
i think average people turned off by ugly as fuck cast and focus on bonny blue chick that got railed by 100 men. dont know why marvel got her to be invisible woman.

The successful F4 movies barely made their money back, people just don't give a fuck about F4, I mean I couldn't care less about this movie like F4 is fine for what it is but whatever they work better as cartoons anyways.

>>149714071 (OP)
People are super selective with what they'll go to the theaters for these days. The simple fact of the matter is that Hollywood has given people shit for so long they'll only bother spending money on a movie if they're genuinely excited for it. Oppenheimer and Barbie got people hyped, Mario got people hyped, Spiderman and DeadpoolxWolverine got people hyped. Where the fuck was the hype for this movie? It didn't exist. Nobody I know was talking about it. My sister hates capeshit and even she was talking about Spiderman and Deadpool. The marketing for FF sucked and there was no hype to it AT ALL beyond "Omg it's Pedro Pascal, again".

>>149714108
>anon says he doesn’t like the cast
>you, while melting down, claim he’s assmad
Holy rusted irony Batman check out this faggot fuck

>normies are disillusioned with capeshit
>they still go see them
>the capeshit movies still make billions in the box office
fuck off

>>149714071 (OP)
Is this a screenshot of a YouTube thumbnail of a Twitter post?

>>149714211
Which ones?
In fact has a single Superhero movie made a Billy this year?

>>149714145
Going to the Mario movie was easily one of the biggest mistakes of my theater-going life. Not only was the movie utter dogshit, but the audience was entirely composed out of screeching nerds with the singular child being the most well behaved in the theater (presumably because she could tell the movie was boring too)

>>149714511
Not a single one. BNW and Thunderbolts flopped, FF is tracking to just barely make profit, and Superman was the most succesful aiming for around 650 mill.

>>149714161
I'm sure making reddit jokes about the cast members is simply not liking them

>>149714088
>it's all to do with hype, memes, or/and nostalgia.
Guardians of the Galaxy's success in 2014 was something nobody expected because they were always a c-d tier that only comicbook nerds knew or those adjacent from them via osmosis.
Fantastic Four on the other hand has always been known by the public. Maybe not as much as say Spiderman or Hulk or Xmen, but they were up there. Not to mention how this is the second reboot within 20 years.

>>149714071 (OP)
>dying
They've been dead since Endgame. There was a plan and an arc for every character up to that point, and now there's not and it's been a fucking shitshow ever since.

lmao FF started the Marvel funny book universe now they will be the end of the cinematic universe

>>149714639
He said nowadays. The MCU was in a healthy spot at the time of GotG's release, enthusiasm was there and people weren't overloaded with content. The brand has been so diluded by years of bad quality that people aren't willing to show anymore, even for the well recieved ones.

>>149714071 (OP)
Maybe I'm crazy, but who actually likes the Fantastic Four? Literally an accessory to Dr. Doom's backstory, that's the only thing they're good for.

>>149714705
I'm a big fan, but understand why they don't have mass appeal. FF is, at the end of the day, a bit of a more niche interest among superheroes; they don't have the "coolness" factor that makes people gravitate towards characters like Wolverine or Punisher ingrained in their identity, and is a far more nerdy property. I like them since I love the combination of science team + family drama, but general audiences will obviously prefer something flashier (which is not a bad thing). I I liked how the film respected that and focused more on the team's problem solving nature rather than just plain action, but it's hard for that to click with people.

>>149714108
hi tranny

Fantastic Four film adaptations are genuinely cursed, holy shit

>>149714527
I didn't see it but what were you expecting going to a video game movie

>>149714844
They’ve tried to do one every 10 years
>First one was 2005
>Fant4stic was 2015
>This turd came out in 2025
Expect them to try and fail again in 2035

>>149714071 (OP)
I saw Fantastic Four and while the movie wasn't terrible, nobody is going to be leaving the theater with any of the characters as a new favorite, which is a big failure since the Fantastic Four are some of the most compelling characters in Marvel. It's easy to see why Superman succeeded succeeded where this failed as Gunn is skilled at making fun characters that people like. Audiences connect to characters and spectacle most with these movies and Fantastic Four was lacking in both unlike Superman.

>>149714736
>>Superman is a mega success
No

>>149714844
they're like Tomb Raider movies. All cursed

>>149714560
???
Yes?
Anon, do you suffer from severe autism?
Do you genuinely think he would make those if he liked them?

>>149714639
>Guardians of the Galaxy's success in 2014 was something nobody expected because they were always a c-d tier that only comicbook nerds knew or those adjacent from them via osmosis.
I'd like to think that they succeeded because people wanted a light-hearted space adventure.
That being said, I can't think of many of those from the last 10 years.

>>149714648
Disney fell into the same trap with the MCU that they did with Sóy Wars: they assumed that the core audience was a given and the loyalty was to the brand, meaning no plan was needed, then they let schizos shit where they eat.

>>149715172
I connected with Reed because I'm also massively autistic

>>149714071 (OP)
Not a normie, but I am DONE with Marvel and DC in general.

Haven't seen a new Marvel or DC movie in years. I like other superhero stuff like Invincible, The Incredible's and The Tick 2016. but I am JUST DONE with the Big Two.

For Marvel, I stopped watching MCU movies when I missed a couple of films and shows because of work, tried to plan when to do them, and then I realized "Oh my god, I'm doing HOMEWORK to watch TELEVISION!" Since then, I started picking and choosing, and watched less and less after Avengers Endgame. I liked to follow, Loki, What If and Moon Knight. Loki finished, What If got worse over time (I didn't even watch half the episodes of season 3) and Moon Knight is cancelled.

Haven't seen a new Marvel movie in years. Oh, and I just can't be bothered with the DCU or DCEU or whatever. I saw Wonder Woman and Justice League Snyder Cut, but that's all.

>>149715579
I suppose you could start anew with the new Superman movie. Not my cup of tea, granted it’s better than Man of Steel (low bar, what a shock).

>>149714071 (OP)
Superman was better.

Marvel lost the general audience because the movies started to resemble everything wrong with comics.

Original MCU
>2 movies a year with a straight forward narrative

Current MCU
>3-4 movies a year
>various TV shows
>a "multiverse" that apparently includes every Marvel movie ever
>a "sacred timeline"
>"canon events"
>multiple variations of the same character played by different actors
>abandoned story lines and cameos

>>149714071 (OP)
>superman did great
>good word of mouth
>no doomsayers

>marvel CGI slop #6319431 drops after a week
woah is it over for capes???

>>149714112
>next Avengers will make 2 million at the box office
zased

>>149715579
Pretty much everybody is done with capeshit these days. I remember when The Avengers (2012) came out and people wouldn't stop talking about it in the break room. It was that big at the time.

>>149714128
god you are really fucking retarded

>Critkal
>normie

It's the same shit every time
You people have the memory of a goldfish

No, people aren't tired of superheroes. Superman just made over half a billion.
F4 is just a boring movie with bad word of mouth.

>>149716971
>Superman just made over half a billion.
You say that like that's not an immense drop-off from what superhero movies were making pre-COVID.

>>149714844
It's just impossible to do a good F4 solo movie. They're not compelling characters and the only F4 villains anyone has ever cared about are Galactus (terrible movie villain) and Doom (who is way more interesting than the four). There's nothing to do with the material, no growth to be found, no interesting conflicts to explore. They're a happy, healthy, fully actualized team and family and that's fuckin' boring. Cape fans and general audiences don't want to watch a 90 minute TNG episode.

The Fantastic Four should just be side characters in other movies. Fuck, do a Future Foundation movie that follows Spider-Man.

>>149717022
>Movies made more money before covid
No shit, retard

>>149717081
Other movies still make over a billy, fucking Inside Out 2 from last year made like $1.6 billion.
Hell, fucking Deadpool & Wolverine made $1.4 billion last year.
There's no excuse here.

>>149717121
>The third movie in a vastly successful franchise and an animated movie for kids with zero competition made more!
Ok, nigga, and?
Extrapolating "people don't like superheroes anymore!" from this data is a stupid thing to do. You are acting stupid. Stop it. Get some help.

>people don't care about the fantastic four
People didn't care about the Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor, Captain America, or any of the other C-list shit that no one cared about. They made us care.

They no longer have the ability to make us care, likely because they keep producing slop.

>>149715134
>>First one was 2005
you forgot the sequel in 2007

I unironically think the Thunderbolts post-credits hurt this movie. The F4 Earth is way more interesting and visually unique than the base MCU Earth and would have been a great place to start a total series reboot, but people know going in that we're just visiting and this will probably be the only time we see this place so why care?

>>149717210
>People didn't care about the Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor, Captain America

They didn't have the baggage of three underwhelming movies before them.

>>149714071 (OP)
It came out? I didn't even know it came out.

>>149717299
That was totally on the studio. Both Thunderbolts and FF's post credits scenes were scenes from Doomsday, and not something that the team beyond each film were planning on (Matt Shackman said the TB's PCS was out of his control, and came late over FF's production). They shot themselves in the foot by making people think First Steps was a prelude to Doomsday when the film is self-contained.

>>149717068
F4 can be done. Thing about them is that they are a family and you're not going to do a good movie if family is not a core component of the story, something modern writers are allergic to.

>>149717426
Funnily some conservatives we're latching into the new film since it depicts family in a positive light.

>149715134
I was gonna ask why you didn't mention the Roger Cornan movie, but then I remembered it was never officially released. 02h0h2

>>149717507
Seems like everybody constantly forgets that that movie was intended as a licensing scam and wasn't actually supposed to be seen by anyone, but they just didn't tell the actors so everybody still, y'know, tried.

Multiverse of Madness
THor love and Thunder
Antman Quantumania

>>149714071 (OP)
When will the execs learn that F4 doesn't work in live action? Reed Richards will never not look completely retarded in live action. It's impossible to make him look cool or interesting. Live action One Piece is based on a cartoon for children and Luffy looks goofy af, and it's intentional, and that is just the inherent quality of stretchy powers in live action - it's goofy.

>>149716971
>F4 is just a boring movie with bad word of mouth
people with actual lives like it dumbass

>>149715579
I want to hate on Invincible so much the way I despise the boys but I can't lie garbage animation aside I quite enjoyed Season 3. Someone also brought up that the series is just western shonen at this point and that did make it more endearing for me lol.

>>149716583
No thanks.

James Gunn is a creep and gives asshole vibes who fills his movies with Reddit humor. He also does that really gay "found family" crap that's in every superhero movie now.

>>149716936
I was super into the MCU for the longest time. I even loved Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, the Netflix shows, and followed the lore and the canon of the MCU obsessively. All of that stopped being fun years ago when I had my "I'm doing homework just so I can watch movies" epiphany (I loved learning lore and thinking about it, but I hated having to "catch up" with every movie) when I was dreading having missed that second Spider-Man movie and I think another series going on at the time. I THINK it was Jessica Jones season 3.

>>149714071 (OP)
>all these normies and social media addicts pretending they like Pedro Pascal
>None of them are showing up to give his movie a gorillion dollars
>proceeds to get mogged by young Jewish Superman
Pedro is gonna start molesting women when he has more """""anxiety"""" issues

>>149717022
Dumbass, Endgame was the only exception because it made a billion
Everything else pre-covid was making Superman numbers

>>149714071 (OP)
>All the capeshitter meltdown itt
Dude, chill out. There are more films outside the spandex genre.

The audience knows that, which is why they are carrying Jurassic World to $800m+.

>>149718103
>there are more to films than slop
>the audiences knows this is which is why they eat other slop
Just burn Hollywood to the ground at this point. All it has is uncreative garbage by hacks with no real talent while the retarded sheep happily gobbles it up.
Why have you abandoned us when you need you the most, Charlie Manson?

>>149718072
>Endgame - 2.8 billion
>Captain Marvel - 1.1 billion
>Spider-Man Far From Home - 1.1 billion (the first Spidey film to break 1 billion)
>Infinity War - 2 billion
>Black Panther - 1.3 billion
The only MCU film in 2018/2019 that didn't break a billion was Ant Man and The Wasp.

Fucking Aquaman made 1.1 billion.

>>149714639
GOTG was a decade ago when MCU hype was high. If Captain Marvel came out today instead of right before Endgame there's no way it'd make a billion. MCU hype is at an all time low and even okay movie from them won't do 500 million+ on default anymore.

>>149717686
>Reed Richards will never not look
That's the least of the problems with the new movie. People though they made a very boring display of his power.

>>149717068
The fact that their team name has a completely different meaning in the modern era is already an inconsistency with the basic themes of the group. All four are considered freaks and call themselves the Fantastic Four because they accept being a found family of outcasts, but that only works with the old meaning of fantastic which no one uses today. Fantastic is a synonym for good or great now and has no negative connotation anymore, so modern audiences don't get how they were basically naming themselves the equivalent of The Four Freaks back then.

>>149717764
>He also does that really gay "found family" crap that's in every superhero movie now.
Fair enough. The movie had a lot of issues separate from that. I’m not looking forward to much from that continuity.

The last marvel movie I went to the cinema for was Thor W&T, I was dumbfounded and appalled by how bad it was, from the script to the visual effects, at one point I had to see how other people where reacting, I couldn't be he only one which found this experience torturing. I look I my left and see a couple of grandpas visible confused yet content with their granddaughter in the middle, going absolutely apeshit with the slot on the screen. I turn to my right and I see a squalid man and a well behaved young girl (same as the other one, both probably in the single digits, don't know more about humans to pinpoint the exact number), clearly uninterested in the movie but happy to share this time with her father, who was fanboying about the screaming goats.
That was the moment I realized these movies no longer interested me, even if they are objectively bad they serve their purpose of entertaining the masses, white noise for some, or an opportunity for an encounter to others.

>>149717764
>I even loved Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, the Netflix shows
You lasted longer than I did if you enjoyed any of that shit.

>>149719015
>Thor W&T
>W&T
>W
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFdnYPaeI3k

>>149717426
Anon First Steps is about nothing else. It's them being a perfect supportive family for the entire runtime. Clearly that's not entertaining enough.

>>149714088
>Avengers and Spider-Man will probably still make a billion next year.
with china not allowing capeshit? mcu will never make a billion dollars again.

>>149714088
This, Lilo and Stich live action was utter dogwater yet still made a billion along with Dino movie and Chicken Jockey right behind it
there is no quality control when it comes to what the audience will show up to

>>149714071 (OP)
They need Judge Dredd again.

>>149714844
The 05 movie was fine, its just the runtime mostly being the origin and non faithful Doom drag it a bit. Watching it after this new one, it just has way more personality and interesting use of their powers

>>149719306
I throught people in this site would genuinely understand box office has nothing to do with quality but these past few months have been nothing but brain dead takes about it.

>>149719484
These threads are about capeshit once being the cultural zeitgeist and how Marvel completely fumbled it

>>149719510
I don't think they ever were, didn't their gains dropped massively due to the Chinese market closing its gates?

>>149719563
You really think a movie franchise that was pumping out summer blockbusters taking in billions of dollars for nearly 10 years wasn’t the cultural zeitgeist?

>>149719563
Nah, even domestically they've been on a fallout

>>149715172
Gunn is right when he says movies need finished scripts before they start filming. There are a lot of moments in Fantastic Four where you can tell the script wasn't finalized while filming.

>>149719578
even in relation to general cinema viewership drop and adjusting for inflation?

>>149719618
*In Skinner's voiced: Yeah!