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>Was supposed to be Marvel's big film of the year, 700m was predicted to be the minimum box office gross
>Marvel was even suggesting to have Pedro Pascal be the new face of the MCU
>Ends up barely outgrossing Brave New World and Thunderbolts
What the FUCK went so wrong?
Anonymous No.149798593 [Report] >>149798627 >>149798850 >>149799049 >>149800430 >>149802646 >>149807780
>>149798583 (OP)
>Casts a gay Mexican and some bogged hag as the protagonists
Gee, i wonder what went wrong
Anonymous No.149798601 [Report] >>149798954 >>149812542
>>149798583 (OP)
Pedro Pascal
Anonymous No.149798606 [Report] >>149798689 >>149799248 >>149811725 >>149812165
>>149798583 (OP)
Pedro will always have my asshole to fuck
Anonymous No.149798612 [Report] >>149802515
>>149798583 (OP)
>HOW COULD FANTASTIC 4 FLOP AGAIN!?
they should learn their damn lesson, no one cares about these losers
Anonymous No.149798620 [Report] >>149800229 >>149802515
>>149798583 (OP)
I watched it last night and the issue is is that it is incredibly boring, Which is worse then being bad.
Anonymous No.149798627 [Report]
>>149798593
Stretching back to the other side of the border.
Anonymous No.149798632 [Report] >>149798765 >>149799517
>>149798583 (OP)
I saw this movie yesterday and can barely remember it
At least the new Superman had moments that stuck with me
Anonymous No.149798637 [Report] >>149798672 >>149798693 >>149798741 >>149799215 >>149801359
What with the money obsession. Did you like the movie or not?
Anonymous No.149798650 [Report] >>149798982 >>149799415 >>149804798 >>149806822
>>149798583 (OP)
How long until he gets outed?
And I don't mean some lightweight shit like with Ryan Reynolds meddling with scripts, I'm talking actual metoo shit
Anonymous No.149798668 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
Superman was better.
Anonymous No.149798672 [Report]
>>149798637
>Did you like the movie or not?
Doesn't seem like many people did desu
Anonymous No.149798689 [Report] >>149802009
>>149798606
He's mid af
Anonymous No.149798693 [Report]
>>149798637
Movies are made for free? Didn't know that.
Anonymous No.149798720 [Report] >>149798741 >>149798762 >>149798790 >>149798812 >>149799238 >>149799724 >>149799797 >>149802234 >>149802309 >>149808630
>>149798583 (OP)
>Carries your entire cinematic universe
How do they do it?
Anonymous No.149798724 [Report] >>149798734 >>149802219
>Didn't even come out
>Still the best Fantastic Four movie

How?
Anonymous No.149798734 [Report] >>149813159
>>149798724
>How?
pure SOVL
Anonymous No.149798741 [Report] >>149799591 >>149799856 >>149803964
>>149798637
No one did, hence no word of mouth and rewatches, hence massive dropoffs, hence no money. I thought autists were supposed to understand economics.

>>149798720
Memberberries of better movies.
Anonymous No.149798762 [Report] >>149799265
>>149798720
>Neither was even owned by Disney when the universe started
Anonymous No.149798765 [Report] >>149798785
>>149798632
The only thing that stuck about Superman for me is how cringeworthy it was.
Anonymous No.149798785 [Report] >>149799064
>>149798765
I honestly think people are only sucking James Gunn's dick because they still have Zack Snyder fresh in their minds.

Gunn is a shit filmmaker, but Snyder is WAY worse, so Gunn looks good by comparison, despite them both being shit.
Anonymous No.149798790 [Report] >>149798812 >>149798832
>>149798720
Technically MCU but rely a lot on past films/universes. NWH was dependent on the Raimi and ASM films. DP3 on the Foxverse to the point where the film ends with Deadpool essentially saying "fuck the MCU, I'm staying in the fox world"
Anonymous No.149798812 [Report] >>149798826 >>149798831 >>149798870
>>149798790
>>149798720
Spiderman 4 is gonna have a huge drop off from no way home I bet. The Hulk doesn't bring in a big enough audience, especially not nuhulk
Question is, how much?
Anonymous No.149798826 [Report] >>149798846 >>149799279
>>149798812
I can't wait for everybody (shills on damage control) to blame it on Hulk and how he's a bad character.
Fan-fucking-tastic.
Anonymous No.149798831 [Report] >>149800311
>>149798812
>Spiderman 4 is gonna have a huge drop off from no way home I bet.
Naturally, but Holland-Man is an anomaly itself in that quality doesn't matter, it'll do well. 750m minimum.
Anonymous No.149798832 [Report] >>149798846 >>149798984 >>149799503
>>149798790
>"We don't like the Fox universe! We want X-Men in the MCU!"
>Disney buys Fox
>"We're tired of the MCU! We want a movie about the Fox universe!"
Anonymous No.149798846 [Report] >>149798868
>>149798826
MCU Hulk absolutely is.

>>149798832
No one not employed by Disney has ever said the former.
Anonymous No.149798850 [Report] >>149800429
>>149798593
They could have had him played by any white actor and I’d have still skipped it cuz Marvel is trash and FF have always been boring
Anonymous No.149798868 [Report] >>149798910
>>149798846
Yeah, no shit. MCU fumbled the character so badly it's infuriating.
I mean it in a "it's not MCU's fault, Fantastic Four are le bad" way as you can see ITT precisely.
Anonymous No.149798870 [Report] >>149798894
>>149798812
They're throwing everything at it. Its Spiderman, its gonna make money no matter what. Doomsday might get another rewrite to have lest fantastic 4 and more mutants instead since people only care about cameos anyways. All the new shit they do sucks and no one cares about it anymore.
Anonymous No.149798894 [Report]
>>149798870
Everyone was tired of multiverse bullshit almost immediately. Don’t know why they act like anyone still cares
Anonymous No.149798910 [Report] >>149798995
>>149798868
The funniest excuse has to be "It's not MCU's fault, post-pandemic box office is le worse!"

If that is the case, then it makes Disney even more retarded for still spending so much fucking money in each movie despite knowing the results will be disappointing.
Anonymous No.149798941 [Report] >>149799531 >>149800418
>Character is weak to ICE
>Casts Pedro Pascal
Anonymous No.149798954 [Report]
>>149798601
Pedo Rascal.
Anonymous No.149798982 [Report] >>149798993 >>149799732
>>149798650
>Muh Pedro Pascal is LE BAD because ecelebs told me so
It's hilarious and sad how easily manipulated the masses can be. Jealousy seems to cause them to foam at the mouth and make up bullshit rumors about random actors. Just because an actor gets lots of well earned rolls, does not make him "forced" or "an industry plant"
Maybe stop focusing on people better than you and worry about yourself
fucker
Anonymous No.149798984 [Report]
>>149798832
The problem is that it's all too little too late.
The MCU's characters and lore have progressed (or regressed as some might say) to the point nothing people actually wanted to see with X-Men can happen.
Anonymous No.149798993 [Report]
>>149798982
Hi, Pedro. How's it going?
Anonymous No.149798995 [Report]
>>149798910
MCU really needed somebody to tard-wrangle them. I'm not a fan of Ike because I didn't like Netflix shows either, but somebody should've been able to look at She-Hulk and say "scrap that shit".
Maybe if somebody could tell Feige "no" every once in a while, MCU wouldn't have so many shitty products tainting it and still have good word of mouth today.
Anonymous No.149799031 [Report] >>149799683
>Box office is invisible
>Movie is sinking like a rock
>Audience's patience is burned up
>Chances of it breaking even are a stretch
Anonymous No.149799049 [Report]
>>149798593
This, I legit checked out the second pascal was announced. The only way they would have made me reconsider was casting a 10/10 Sue. So of course they hired a 37 year old who looks like she’s 45.

Byrne’s She-Hulk and FF runs re my favorite marvel runs of all time. If they had wanted to win me back after endgame they needed to nail those projects. As it stands I haven’t watched anything since endgame and certainly don’t plan it doing so going forward.
Anonymous No.149799064 [Report]
>>149798785
Kys faggot, while I enjoyed Gunn’s Superman I’m so goddamn sick of you faggots acting like Goyer and Snyder’s writing decisions makes his actual filmmaking bad.
Anonymous No.149799085 [Report] >>149799164
I find it retarde that they had Galactus be the villain for the Fantastic four introduction movie, and they are having Doctor Doom be the villain for the big crossover event.

Shouldn't it be the opposite? Doom has more of a personal rivalry with Reed and the Four, while Galactus is much more fitting as a world-ending event that affects all heroes.
Simon Salva !!h4wpIXR3ZRV No.149799090 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)

>watches capeshit

NGMI.
Anonymous No.149799151 [Report] >>149815256
>>149798583 (OP)
>700m was predicted to be the minimum box office gross
>Marvel was even suggesting to have Pedro Pascal be the new face of the MCU

Why lie?
Anonymous No.149799154 [Report] >>149799178
>3 previously bad movies.
>in the wrong marvel era, no one actually cares about cape movies now
>pedro pascal is in everything and not that good.*
>coming after several marvel flops
>female silver surfer
But the most important one
>NO ONE ACTUALLY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE F4 EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE THE BEST CAPE TEAM
>also the film was mid and people probably heard this by now and will wait for d+

*Nothing ro do.with him being "woke", normies are just bored of his bad acting and being in almost evrything.
Anonymous No.149799164 [Report] >>149802926
>>149799085
>Shouldn't it be the opposite?

No? Galactus is a natural disaster, there's no interpersonal conflict between him and the heroes. Fine for a movie that's mainly focused on the heroes themselves, but absolutely essential for a big crossover event.
Anonymous No.149799178 [Report]
>>149799154
>female silver surfer

Normies don't give a fuck about that.
Anonymous No.149799197 [Report] >>149799232 >>149802944 >>149813822
Female Silver Surfer provided sex appeal.
Maybe they would have sold twice as many tickets to straight men if Sue has been sexy too.
Anonymous No.149799208 [Report] >>149804779
Are you guys ready for Doom taking off his mask with nanotech every two minutes so they can show off Robert Downey Jr?
Anonymous No.149799212 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
It looked boring and people are getting tired of superhero movies.
Anonymous No.149799215 [Report] >>149799252
>>149798637
Anon has an agenda to push. If the movie succeeded than the system is rigged and anon is a cuck. If the movie flops than anon is nostradomis and still a cuck
Anonymous No.149799232 [Report] >>149799364 >>149799657 >>149802944
>>149799197
But Sue was sexy
Anonymous No.149799238 [Report]
>>149798720
Quips. It's what the people want. It filters chuds like a motherfuck though
Anonymous No.149799248 [Report]
>>149798606
Shut up Pedro.
Anonymous No.149799252 [Report]
>>149799215
>If the movie succeeded than the system

*Then normies are retarded.

If the movie succeeded, then normies are retarded for flocking to it despite it being shit. That's what I said when Deadpool 3 for some reason made money, despite being shit.
Anonymous No.149799265 [Report] >>149811734
>>149798762
>And now that they are owned by the mouse theyre 9000x as sucessful.
Funny how the mouse can turn shit into gold at times but still manage flops
Anonymous No.149799279 [Report] >>149799599
>>149798826
I don't have to wait for shills on damage control when you're doing it in every thread
Anonymous No.149799364 [Report]
>>149799232
Yes, in 2005. Now she's stupid bogged
Anonymous No.149799415 [Report] >>149799760
>>149798650
Hopefully soon. He reminds me of Whedon. Acting high and mighty lecturing the plebs, while being a piece of shit behind the scenes.
Anonymous No.149799440 [Report]
Avengers will probably make a billion.

Not because it will be good (it won't), but because it will be called "Avengers" and have a bunch of Fox and Raimi characters running around on screen.
Anonymous No.149799471 [Report] >>149800375
>>149798583 (OP)
>normies easily saw RDJ, the Chrises, etc. as the characters they play as
>they reject Pedo Pascal as Mr. Fantastic
Anonymous No.149799503 [Report]
>>149798832
There is some delicious irony that after MCUfags were so annoying about hating every non-MCU Marvel thing, MCU is now only surviving due to those movies.
Anonymous No.149799517 [Report]
>>149798632
They're both shit and I'm tired of people pretending they're not for the sake of corporate wars.
Anonymous No.149799525 [Report]
>Building a teleporter to get through the border wall
>Selling tacos at the Baxter Building
>Mexico Fantastico
>Homo Rubber Hombre
>Stretching to get around ICE agents
Anonymous No.149799531 [Report]
>>149798941
Underrated
Anonymous No.149799591 [Report]
>>149798741
Agree, I watched Superman out of word of mouth alone.
Anonymous No.149799599 [Report]
>>149799279
I love Hulk, nigger. I even love She-Hulk. The comic characters, not MCU perversions of them.
That's why MCU Hulk is an atrocity.
>every single thread
I have no fucking clue what you're talking about, but plenty of people dislike MCU Hulk.
Anonymous No.149799645 [Report] >>149803480
MCU Hulk being shit should not be a hot take. They literally set up a character arc in Infinity War, then had it be revolved off-screen, he's already gone through his arc when he shows up in Endgame.

This should not be controversial, it is a basic writing pitfall that anyone past kindergarten should be able to avoid.
Anonymous No.149799652 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
Marvel kinda did it themselves after what they've done with Kang, the number of poor choices in their movies & TV series, & just bad planning. They added too much jokes in the movies, They didn't plan their release dates for each of their movies properly, they were being too cheap in their productions despite having money, not willing to expand the stories more instead of compressing them, & lack of original ideas. Mainly with Kang & how he was wasted, if they did bring Doom in then Secret Wars should have been a Kang vs Doom fight

At this point, while he made a number of good choices, Feige has overstayed his welcome needs to be replaced. Let someone new wit fresh ideas to take his place. Perhaps involve different studios to contribute, like how its done with Deadpool & Wolverine

If Fantastic Four is lucky them it'll likely break even with $500 million
Anonymous No.149799657 [Report] >>149799737
>>149799232
I see way finer bitches just regularly walking around Walmart. Venessa Kirby looks 20 years older than she actually is
Anonymous No.149799673 [Report] >>149803004
I think if they have some reason for Hulk to go savage again, then I think Normalfags might get interested in Hulk.
I don't think they like Prof. Hulk (or at least the MCU version)
Anonymous No.149799683 [Report]
>>149799031
aw shit nigga 5 star post
Anonymous No.149799718 [Report] >>149799761
I firmly believe if they dropped the multiverse shit and embraced elements from sci-if movies based on PKD’s works, they’d be putting asses back in seats for another 10 years
Anonymous No.149799724 [Report]
>>149798720
> They're funny
> They offer good action scenes
> They seem to enjoy the roles they play
> They know what kind of movies they're doing and play along
> They don't chastise fans
I have no idea, it's a mystery.
Anonymous No.149799732 [Report]
>>149798982
>well earned
By what fucking metric?
Anonymous No.149799737 [Report]
>>149799657
>Venessa Kirby looks 20 years older than she actually is
Yeah, she has zero credibility as a woman hot enough to land a athletic genius engineer and get away with cheating on him.
Anonymous No.149799760 [Report] >>149799773
>>149799415
>piss off the wrong people
>suddenly legions of fags running a whisper campaign based on "bad vibes" and other fake shit
I don't envy anyone working in Hollywood these days.
Anonymous No.149799761 [Report] >>149799821
>>149799718
One movie they *could* have used to go into the kind if sci-fi you're mentioning was, ironically, Fantastic Four.
Anonymous No.149799773 [Report]
>>149799760
Jokes on them, I've hated Pedro Pascal before it was cool.
Anonymous No.149799797 [Report] >>149799824 >>149802457 >>149806918
>>149798720
Deadpool 3 is one of the least rewatchable movies I’ve ever seen. Once you’ve seen the reveals and thought “I know that reference!”, that’s it
I didn’t like No Way Home and was going to skip it, but I ran into some friends I hadn’t seen in over a year and they invited me to go watch it with them.
Anonymous No.149799821 [Report]
>>149799761
I don’t think FF are the vehicle to segue into what I was describing. But, I personally think they’ve always been boring.
Anonymous No.149799824 [Report]
>>149799797
You are 100% correct, its just that normies are retarded, so their brain have a few months of delay before they realize "Hey, wait a minute, this is shit!", and by the time they get to that point, Disney already made a billion.
Anonymous No.149799856 [Report] >>149799887
>>149798741
Homecoming and Far From Home though?
Anonymous No.149799887 [Report]
>>149799856
Tony and first movie, multiverse bait.
Anonymous No.149800060 [Report] >>149800103 >>149800110 >>149800460 >>149801246
So, who do you think they'll try to add to a sequel to try to get popularity?
Unironically try to get one of the two previous Reeds as the Maker? Malice Sue? Have another popular Marvel Hero co-star?
Anonymous No.149800103 [Report]
>>149800060
Spider-Man and Human Torch team-up?
Anonymous No.149800110 [Report] >>149800256
>>149800060
>Malice Sue?
This would work so much better if they'd cast Peyton List.
Anonymous No.149800229 [Report]
>>149798620
Yup. 100% this is the problem. Lots of people showed up *once*, nobody wants to see it a second time, and anyone on the fence is just going to wait for it because it isn’t generating any hype.
All because it’s boring. Just so terribly, horribly, groaningly boring.
Anonymous No.149800256 [Report]
>>149800110
Literally who is this pug ugly greased up toddler?
Anonymous No.149800264 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
It released like two weeks after Superman and JWR.
Anonymous No.149800311 [Report] >>149810002
>>149798831
Did you forget FFH made a billion for some reason?
Anonymous No.149800375 [Report]
>>149799471
>actors act
>people like them
>faggot doesn't act
>people reject him
What a mystery!
Anonymous No.149800418 [Report]
>>149798941
kek
Anonymous No.149800429 [Report] >>149801273
>>149798850
Is there anybody they could have cast that would have drawn you in, everything else not withstanding?
Anonymous No.149800430 [Report] >>149806224 >>149812603
>>149798593
he's chilean, fuckwit
Anonymous No.149800460 [Report]
>>149800060
>sequel
I don't do a sequel. I use Secret Wars and recast.
>throw more money at Gyllenhaal or Driver to secure them
>grab 2 B/C-Listers that are hot and competent enough for the Storms
>grab some gruff guy for Ben
>make the movie a 2.5 hr Sci-Fi flick that takes place 80% outside of Earth
>have the villain be Molecule Man and seed smaller villains across the universe to build up to Annihilation
Or I just do a faithful Ultimate Fantastic Four adaptation with a younger cast of relative unknowns and use the money I saved on casting to make the sci-fi parts bigger. Have these young FF and the upcoming X-Men interact all the time and slowly build up to Maker.

Faggots don't understand that FF aren't about
>muh heckin 60s
they're about always being at the forefront of the current day's sci-fi zeitgeist. You take that out and it's just a corny superhero flick with lame powers that nobody's going to watch over any other cape. The spectacle and intriguing plots need to be the core.
Anonymous No.149800551 [Report] >>149800687
>/co/ and /tv/
Anon is working overtime
Anonymous No.149800687 [Report] >>149800788 >>149810017
>>149800551
See, this is the problem. Even in a thread about F4, we’re getting Superman memes. Fantastic Four is such an inoffensive, bland, forgettable movie that there’s nothing to remember, or latch on to, or talk about. There is no monkey bot farm, there is no Store Brand Netanyahu getting his head cracked like egg, there isn’t a single scene in the entire movie that even approaches the visceral reaction of Luthor shooting Mali in the head. Superman is a perfect example of everything a movie needs to do, to be good: it has to make the audience a little uncomfortable, even if it’s all saccharine and happy in the end.
Fantastic Four never does anything risky, or weird, or even remotely upsetting. It is designed by committee, focus-tested into oblivion to remove anything that might upset someone or make someone uncomfortable. It’s a shiny, well-polished bucket of nothing.
It’s trying so goddamn hard to not be bad, that it never actually bothers to do anything good.
Anonymous No.149800788 [Report] >>149801258
>>149800687
To be less harsh on it, FF is a sci-fi based character drama that is awkwardly presented as a superhero movie. Superman is an superhero film first and foremost and primarily sticks in the the action/adventure mold.
Anonymous No.149801060 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
>What the FUCK went so wrong?
Marvel took their audience for granted. It's easier for a new restaurant to gain new customers than an established restaurant to regain lost customers, and Marvel is experiencing the latter. Marvel mismanaged things around / after Endgame, and people just aren't as hungry for new MCU content.

Except FF wasn't really even MCU content; it was stand-alone drama starring a superhero team, that was trying to avoid being an origin story but also giving yet another take on Fantastic Four's most iconic story.

Plus the economy isn't great, so fewer people are going to the movie theater. US box office revenue started recovering in 2021, but started declining again in 2024.

So if Marvel wants people to part with their money at the movie theaters, they have to make movie goers hungry. Either draw them in with something familiar that they know they'll like, or offer up something new and novel and appealing. While I enjoyed the movie, I have to admit that FF failed to do either of those things.
Anonymous No.149801246 [Report]
>>149800060
>Sequel
Dream big, homie. I feel like after Secret Wars, they’re gonna fade back into obscurity for another ten years
Anonymous No.149801258 [Report]
>>149800788
That’s a really good description of the comics. The trouble and irony is that Fantastic Four: First Steps doesn’t manage to be a good sci-fi movie, or an engaging drama.

First Steps just doesn’t work as a drama. It doesn’t put in the effort to *make* the audience care. It’s not the viewers job to know why they should care about characters and be moved by their troubles, it’s the filmmakers’ job to make that connection happen. The sci-fi is flat and unimaginative, surface level stuff that doesn’t measure up to a mediocre Star Trek episode. The technology isn’t a problem, nor is its potential complexities explored meaningfully. Sure, it’s an alien invasion story, but so is half of the MCU at this point. The goober that saves the day isn’t looked at seriously, it just already exists and needs to be scaled up to save the day. You can literally write an ENTIRE book about teleportation (I am literally reading one right now) but the movie is so uninterested in it that it does nothing with it except use it as a magic “I Win” button at the end.
There’s no tension. In a drama story, you worry that the characters will make decisions that damage relationships or hurt one-another. In a sci-fi story, you worry that there could be unforeseen consequences or that the puzzle the heroes need to solve might not have a solution.

In this movie, there is never any worry. There is never any doubt that the happy ending is around the corner, or that Galactus is going to be beaten.

But Gunn’s Superman movie, ironically, has lots of emotionally engaging drama, it takes the time and does the legwork to make the audience care about the characters, and does things people didn’t like in order to ruffle feathers and make people worry. The climactic conflict revolves around a flashy sci-fi macguffin going haywire and wreaking havoc — a very definitive sci-fi plot structure.

Hit the character limit. I’m bored of bitching about this movie.
Anonymous No.149801273 [Report] >>149801303
>>149800429
Nope. Marvel has been shitting the bed consistently and seems perfectly fine to push guys like me away.
They made their choice, I made mine
Anonymous No.149801303 [Report] >>149801454
>>149801273
Jesus Christ, you’re such a whiny fucking faggot. Nobody cares, kill yourself.
Anonymous No.149801359 [Report]
>>149798637
What do you expect from threads about a franchise where every movie is just an advertisement for future movies? Discussing the future of the MCU is all that anyone cares about because the movies themselves are nothing.
Anonymous No.149801454 [Report] >>149801489
>>149801303
I bet if you insult once-loyal fans enough they’ll surely come to see the genius for Marvels and She-Hulk and want to come back.
I bet Fiege and Iger care that they lost a huge chunk of their core audience
Anonymous No.149801489 [Report]
>>149801454
I bet your parents don’t talk to you anymore.
Anonymous No.149801991 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
My personal interest started and stopped at how they'd portray Galactus, and there's cam rips of it on youtube, so i got all I needed without seeing the actual movie.

They handled him fairly well and gave him a kickass voice, but I'm kinda underwhelmed regardless. Wish his footseteps had more weight to them for example, since he just sounds like a big clumsy guy walking and I was hoping more for some Pacific Rim type of massive stomps wherever he walked.
Anonymous No.149802009 [Report]
>>149798689
Yeah, midway through destroying my bussy
Anonymous No.149802115 [Report]
How would this movie have landed differently if they'd cast Blaise Pascal as Reed, Jack Kirby as Sue, Glenn Quinn as Johnny and Kate Moss as Ben?
Anonymous No.149802194 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
1) the F4 aren't all that popular despite the hype people had for the movie
2)the movie was overall just boring and not being super mega hyper connected to the others and with no interesting post credit scene made normies not want to watch it
Anonymous No.149802215 [Report] >>149802224
>>149798583 (OP)
they fell for the "sue is the strongest F4 member!!!1!" meme
Anonymous No.149802219 [Report]
>>149798724
went for plot over spectacle.
Anonymous No.149802224 [Report]
>>149802215
Nah, most people are just over the MCU now
Anonymous No.149802234 [Report] >>149802300
>>149798720
they are RED
Big 'dick' Lenny !UHZj8LzRRA No.149802251 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
I like Pascal well enough personally, but he's just the wrong casting for this.
Granted I wouldn't watch it no matter who they cast, this slop is for mouth breathers and Disney adults.
Anonymous No.149802300 [Report]
>>149802234
Good job anon, you are thinking like a true producer now!
Anonymous No.149802309 [Report]
>>149798720
When is the crossover happening?
It'd be a guaranteed billion and a half
Anonymous No.149802457 [Report]
>>149799797
And yet, people watched DP3 more than once.
When you have movies with big budgets, it's preferable that people watch them twice. Back in the day people watched JP several times. Also ID4 and Titanic. Along with buying the merch.
DP is a silly movie, but it was fun to watch and they still had some soul. F4 is just boring and the emotional parts feel forced.
Anonymous No.149802465 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
>HURRRRDURRRRR LE FAN TAS TOCK FO OR AND OR SEW PUUURRR MAN IS LE MAJOR FLOP!!! LELELELELELELELELE

Op is a faggot

Daily spam threads are cancer and against global rule 10. Do your part to help purge this board of lawless subhumans like OP by reporting this thread
Anonymous No.149802515 [Report]
>>149798612
This is what hurt it more than any casting, in my opinion. Fantastic Four is just soured in the public's eye from previous flops. That and people, in general, are happy to wait for streaming these days.
>>149798620
This too. The plot was...fine. It just felt very slow. Like, I feel the plot of a Fantastic Four movie should be moving at the speed of Reed's ideas and Johnny's willingness to throw caution to the wind. The heart and soul come from Ben and Sue being the lynchpins for the family unit. We only got part of that, and the film dragged.
Anonymous No.149802609 [Report] >>149802702
>>149798583 (OP)
>brave new world: flop
>thunderbolts: flop
>fantastic 4: flop
three disasters in a row. last hit (deadpool and wolverine) was made by fox.
Anonymous No.149802646 [Report] >>149807668 >>149808281 >>149808934 >>149811742 >>149812570 >>149812946
>>149798593
>some bogged hag
There are actually brain-dead people who think she is ugly? What the actual fuck?
Anonymous No.149802702 [Report] >>149803095
>>149802609
Multiverse of madness
Thor love and Thunder
Antman 3
The Marvels caused this
Anonymous No.149802926 [Report]
>>149799164
This isn’t even remotely true. He has a very personal draw to Franklin, and thus his mother, as well as Reed for being the guy who is capable of defeating him through smarts. Galactus is just a scientist who gained brawn through brains.
Anonymous No.149802938 [Report] >>149802960 >>149803068
>making 450 million in 3 weeks is seen as bad
Marvel's worst performance is better than most movies ever hope to achieve.
Anonymous No.149802944 [Report]
>>149799197
I mean not really, she should have made her curvier. Awful voice too.

>>149799232
Lol stop
Anonymous No.149802956 [Report] >>149802966
>>149798583 (OP)
There's literally no reason to see this movie

>No must-see-on-the-big-screen action scene like Thanos throwing the moon
>No set up for Doomsday
>No cool showcase of powers like Black Panther detonating vibranium vibrations
>All the characters are subdued versions of comic counterparts
>The actors were directed to tone down their acting
>Fucking Galactus which should have been a showstopper just causally walks through NYC and gets pushed into a black hole by Invisible Girl
Anonymous No.149802960 [Report] >>149803115
>>149802938
No company in the history of doing business is fine with consistently making less money. They used to make an easy billion off these, now they barely recoup the cost
Anonymous No.149802966 [Report] >>149803023
>>149802956
This is your brain on cinematic universe brainrot. Ever thought you could see a movie as a standalone thing?
Anonymous No.149803004 [Report] >>149803038 >>149803133 >>149803188
>>149799673
Pretty much every creative decision they made with Endgame was ill-received.

>Fat Thor who hands the keys to the kingdom to an ugly black lesbian.
>Steve is aged up and gives the shield to Sam not Bucky.
>Kill off iron man because RDJ costs too much
>kill off widow before her solo film
>inject captain marvel in a major part despite not having been there for 90 percent of the MCU, rather than letting Wanda or vision have that moment
>hulk turned into a fucking meme-spewing dork

Ffs it just killed all momentum. To say nothing of every creative decision since being even worse.
Anonymous No.149803023 [Report]
>>149802966
>Movie is part of a now decades old franchise that sold itself on being an interconnected universe
>Movie advertises itself as leading to the next big event
>Movie literally ends with PROTAGONIST WILL RETURN IN BIG EVENT NEXT YEAR
>"Noooo you're supposed to le watch it as le standalone movie!"
Anonymous No.149803038 [Report] >>149803075
>>149803004
Hey, the girlboss meta was seen as a sure thing. No one knew it would lead to irreversible disaster.
Anonymous No.149803068 [Report]
>>149802938
You don’t quite understand investment and cost/benefit analysis, do you? Between a budget somewhere around 200, about just as much in marketing considering you couldn’t avoid the fucking commercials if you tried, it needs to bring home 600-700 to barely eke out a profit.

You don’t invest 400M to make less than a 100M in return.
Anonymous No.149803075 [Report] >>149805680
>>149803038
Everyone was laughing at the girl power scene in Endgame. Not cuz mysoginy, but cuz like 45 minutes earlier they killed off the one female character who’d been there since the beginning and almost none of those characters have ever interacted ever before then
Anonymous No.149803095 [Report]
>>149802702
>Multiverse of madness
I actually liked this one
Anonymous No.149803115 [Report]
>>149802960
>now they barely recoup the cost
This is the funny part, they don't
Anonymous No.149803123 [Report] >>149803163
>>149798583 (OP)
>Become a worldwide phenomenon by producing action movies that appealed to male nerds mainly
>Spend the new decade trying to court middle aged white liberal cat ladies as your audience after telling the fans who built your empire to fuck off
>Be surprised said fans leave to go watch Superman

Even with F4 they still couldnt get off this shit. Sue girlboss'd Galactus and Silver Surfer is some dumpy they/them they keep trying to astroturf as being "sexy".
Anonymous No.149803133 [Report] >>149803188
>>149803004
It’s honestly insane when listed out like that. Just one franchise-suicide idea after another,
Anonymous No.149803163 [Report] >>149803822
>>149803123
I genuinely think Johnny and Sue being attractive rather than ugly ass bongs would have helped the box office tremendously. Johnny needed a raging pectoral shirtless scene like all the other MCU beefcake and Sue needed to be the hottest actress they’ve ever had in the MCU. Instead they’re both just tough to look at.
Anonymous No.149803188 [Report] >>149803303 >>149803355
>>149803133
>>149803004
I mean, it felt like an ending. Everyone except hardcore fans were happy to let it stop there.
Anonymous No.149803303 [Report]
>>149803188
That's pretty much why not as many people were complaining about it back then. There were complaints, but people in general outside of the hardcore liked it, because to them it was a conclusion
Anonymous No.149803355 [Report]
>>149803188
There was still plenty of interest after Endgame and they could have kept it going if they didn’t insist fucking themselves every time
Anonymous No.149803480 [Report] >>149813013
>>149799645
It's not a writing pitfall, it's a failure on the part of the directors and producers in not telling Mark Ruffalo "no" when he insisted on playing himself in greenface.
Anonymous No.149803822 [Report] >>149804774 >>149805200
>>149803163
>Sue needed to be the hottest actress they’ve ever had in the MCU.
Who do you think they could find who's hotter than anyone Marvel Studios hired before, including ScarJo when she was 15 years younger than now?
Anonymous No.149803928 [Report] >>149804800
Did they even market the movie? I didn't even know it was coming out.
Anonymous No.149803964 [Report]
>>149798741
>I thought autists were supposed to understand economics.
This is /co/. These losers just know useless trivia.
Anonymous No.149804371 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
Pedro literally, other then that the thing couldn't even sound like he was speaking like Ben. But really Pedro faggot ass killed this more then anything
Anonymous No.149804774 [Report] >>149804836
>>149803822
Not my job to cast their movies. But Sue should look more like an Alice Eve, Emily Wickersham type than whatever the frumpy, off-putting fuck they were going with in casting Kirby. Both of the actresses I named are older yet look younger than her, and certainly more attractive.
Anonymous No.149804779 [Report]
>>149799208
Of for fuck's sake they really are going that path huh, goddammit I want Doom to have his mask all the time.
Anonymous No.149804798 [Report]
>>149798650
He's a fag, it'll be a Diddy situation for him
Anonymous No.149804800 [Report] >>149810242
>>149803928
you’d have to live under a rock to have not seen a commercial, sponsored post or browser ad. This shit and Superman have been everywhere.

Let alone the fact that you’re clearly posting on /co/ so there is no way you haven’t seen a thread.

Are you a bot or just b8ing?
Anonymous No.149804836 [Report]
>>149804774
At least those two have blond hair unlike the white “platinum blonde” dye job they gave kirby in the film.
Anonymous No.149805001 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
I ate popcorn now I’m farting really bad
Anonymous No.149805069 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
>700m
Just for comparison Batman v Superman made 800 million.
Anonymous No.149805200 [Report] >>149806568
>>149803822
Anonymous No.149805275 [Report] >>149805347 >>149805534 >>149805536 >>149806487
Pascal isn't Reed, doesn't come close to being Reed, doesn't even place in the top five portrayals of Reed, but the shitheads on the top floor at Disney went "durrrr he was popular on GOT and the sad dad zombie show" and cast him as Reed. He's also fucking old and showing his age more with every month. The most vital character in the Fantastic Four to cast correctly is utterly hamstrung out of the gates.
It's fucking pathetic. Load the revolver and put it to bed.
Anonymous No.149805347 [Report] >>149805534 >>149806300
>>149805275
>Pascal isn't Reed, doesn't come close to being Reed, doesn't even place in the top five portrayals of Reed, but the shitheads on the top floor at Disney went "durrrr he was popular on GOT and the sad dad zombie show" and cast him as Reed.
Actually, reports back then said all the first choices for Reed rejected the role due to the script being described as Sue's show.
Anonymous No.149805493 [Report]
She won.
Anonymous No.149805534 [Report] >>149806300
>>149805275
>>149805347
Yeah didn't they want Adam Driver originally?
Anonymous No.149805536 [Report]
>>149805275
>the shitheads on the top floor at Disney went "durrrr he was popular on GOT and the sad dad zombie show" and cast him as Reed
Because the guys they actually wanted said no so they settled for Pascal as a hail mary.
Anonymous No.149805680 [Report] >>149809688
>>149803075
My dad just laughed at that scene and said “Captain Marvel doesn’t need their help”
That’s what happens when you hype up le invincible girl boss people won’t be hyped when she is teaming up with Z listers
Anonymous No.149806224 [Report] >>149807534
>>149800430
>from Chile
Country wich is sworn enemy of us Peruvians, good riddance.
Anonymous No.149806300 [Report] >>149806468 >>149806487
>>149805534
Adam Driver as eventual Maker would have been kino.

>>149805347
Why didn't they cast someone talented, attractive, and/or likeable as Sue, then? Hell, Kristen Wiig would have been a better Sue.
Anonymous No.149806468 [Report]
>>149806300
I seriously doubt a hag as Sue was their first choice either. Agents are avoiding capeshit for good reason.
Anonymous No.149806487 [Report] >>149806552
>>149805275
>>149806300
Should've cast John Krasinski again
Anonymous No.149806552 [Report]
>>149806487
Absolutely not. Pascal being the worst doesnt make krasinksi any better. In fact I’d actually say he fits the character every bit as poorly as pascal.

The beard and awful costume certainly didn’t help though thats for sure. Reed should never have a beard.
Anonymous No.149806568 [Report]
>>149805200
Ah she doesn’t fit sue, as hot as she is. Hopefully Gunn snags her for powergirl.
Anonymous No.149806625 [Report]
So they tried captain squarehead, then the nigger that tried to strangle a woman to death, now Pedo Pastel. How many more "New Faces of the MCU" do audiences need to reject?
Anonymous No.149806766 [Report] >>149806798 >>149806809
>>149798583 (OP)
>Oh damn, another MCU movie underperformed?
>Is it possibly because people are sick of watching MCU movies?
>Nah, it must be a flop because of le woke!
Anonymous No.149806798 [Report] >>149806906
>>149806766
Considering all of the MCU failures have been woke, yes.
Anonymous No.149806805 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
The movie wasn't good.
Anonymous No.149806809 [Report] >>149806906
>>149806766
Carolfag still not taking The Marvels being the all time worst movie flop well.
Anonymous No.149806822 [Report] >>149806857 >>149807247
>>149798650
It's crazy how much rightoids whined about "cancel culture" but they absolutely fucking salivate at the opportunity to ruin someone's life if they step even 1% out of line.
I'm so glad they failed to cancel Gunn.
Anonymous No.149806857 [Report] >>149807289
>>149806822
#sexpestlivesmatter
Anonymous No.149806906 [Report] >>149806931 >>149807030
>>149806809
My guy
No MCU movie made after infinity war other than guardians 3 wasn't absolute fucking shit, what the fuck are you on about? Are you retarded?
>>149806798
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA with you there's no need to ask
Anonymous No.149806918 [Report]
>>149799797
DP3 is actually in general reasonably fun even without most of the references being understood desu.

The real fun of it though admittedly is references, but not any of the 'member berries, it's all the ones to Disney eating shit the previous like, 5 years or so and how they were so desperate for a successful film to prop up the MCU a bit longer that they let Ryan Reynolds and his wife basically assrape them for 2+ hours and rub it in that the failure of the MCU is entirely their own fault. The entire plot is literally just "Disney executive is a fucking retard fucking with shit because he thinks he Knows Better and ruins fucking everything by picking fights he didn't need to and making retarded decisions while blaming others until he eats shit ." with a superhero skin.

It was a level of self awareness and owning up to it without trying to deflect the blame that was refreshing enough that for a hot minute there you had people vaguely hopeful that maybe Disney would own up to shit and make good movies again but that evaporated after they failed to capitalize on it.
Anonymous No.149806931 [Report] >>149807359
>>149806906
>guardians 3
>wasn't absolute fucking shit
Whatever lefty subreddit this is isn't sending their best.
Anonymous No.149807030 [Report] >>149807359
>>149806906
Bizarre duo of replies here.
>tell the first anon all the post-IW movies were shit
>mock the second anon for pointing out all of the movies you just told the other anon are shit were shit because they were woke.
Anonymous No.149807247 [Report]
>>149806822
>to ruin someone's life if they step even 1% out of line.
Is hosting a pedophile-themed party and repeatedly taking about raping children and being friends with convicted sex predators really just 1% out of line?
Anonymous No.149807289 [Report] >>149807622 >>149810632
>>149806857
Your president is a literal pedophile.
Anonymous No.149807359 [Report] >>149807609
>>149807030
I don't know dude, the writing sucks, the effects are rushed, the visual direction just plain sucks a lot of the times, the decision to release a shitton of disney+ shows that are a required watch to understand their flagship movies, characters that people grew up with not being there anymore, the fact people have been watching these for almost 20 fucking years now and are just tired of the same, generic, watered down executive-driven slop that could fly for a "decent time" 10 years ago but now people are just sick of. Maybe, just maybe these could be the reasons that people just aren't really into MCU movies anymore, that could be possible reasons, or you could use that little chicken breast brain of yours and pigeonhole it all into ~le woke. retard
>>149806931
Once you've wasted 18 years of your life to this shithole maybe you can develop with some taste, tourist faggot
Anonymous No.149807415 [Report]
nobody likes fantastic four in the mainstream outside The Thing.
Anonymous No.149807451 [Report]
I have a feeling the next avengers is going to piss people off more than the Last Jedi for normalfags.
Anonymous No.149807484 [Report] >>149813051 >>149813082
Did they explain at least why Doom is Tony Stark?
Anonymous No.149807534 [Report] >>149808190
>>149806224
Peruvians are pigeon eating fags
Anonymous No.149807609 [Report]
>>149807359
Holy autism Batman
Anonymous No.149807622 [Report]
>>149807289
My lambo too
Anonymous No.149807668 [Report] >>149811746
>>149802646
she's a 6/10

no idea how old she is but she looks ~41
Anonymous No.149807780 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
>>149798593
It's over, Invisible Woman belongs to Mexican men.
Anonymous No.149807803 [Report]
It's over, the most powerful baby in the MCU is half-Mexican, half-White.
Anonymous No.149807835 [Report] >>149807931
>>149798583 (OP)
MCU is over. Capeshit is going out the door, not enough room for this many huge, hideous, mediocre movies
Anonymous No.149807905 [Report] >>149807944
They're all getting deported.
Anonymous No.149807931 [Report]
>>149807835
Marvel's survival is dependent on Rivals now.
Anonymous No.149807944 [Report] >>149812584
>>149807905
Based. Now all those kids with CS degrees can do the jobs Mexicans stole from them.
Anonymous No.149808190 [Report]
>>149807534
>retard fell for that stupid meme
Anonymous No.149808281 [Report]
>>149802646
She is lol
Anonymous No.149808630 [Report]
>>149798720
The last film of both, and the ones that made the most money, were nostalgiabait shit.
Anonymous No.149808663 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
I actually thought it was gonna kick Supes' ass.
Anonymous No.149808934 [Report]
>>149802646
Look at her bro
Anonymous No.149809688 [Report]
>>149805680
This reminds of the apologia for this movie's ending
>Sue is OP in the comics!
Well, maybe she shouldn't be? A superhero team where one member is more powerful than the rest put together seems like a pretty stupid idea to me. Especially when that team consists entirely of characters who were created specifically to be part of it, unlike most superhero teams.
Anonymous No.149810002 [Report]
>>149800311
>some reason
It was McGuire, he made at least 400 of that billion alone. Without him would have been a 600m-700m movie tops.
Anonymous No.149810017 [Report]
>>149800687
>Superman is a perfect example of everything a movie needs to do, to be good
Then why wasnt it?
Anonymous No.149810242 [Report]
>>149804800
I saw no commercials for this movie and targeted ads didn't come my way. I knew the movie existed but I didn't know it was out. Still not gonna see it.
Anonymous No.149810632 [Report]
>>149807289
I'm sure he is, the rich are all pedophiles, including the ones you like. I'm not american though, so I can't relate to your open and proud love of rapists.
Anonymous No.149810958 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
>Cast the overexposed Pedro Pascal at a VERY bad time where his creepy feeling up of female co-stars is realized by common audiences on top of his refusal to shave that stupid mustache
>Shalla-Bal a character with a VERY brief stint from like the 90s who was only on issue for a few panels with one of those being her literal death in a non-616 story and that was further hurt by M-She-U cristicisms/fatigues combined with bad CGI that (somehow) looks worse than the 2007 Norrin Radd
>Two leads came out and put their feet in their mouths trying to appeal to progressive talking points regarding the film focusing on "gender politics" with Sue and how Johnny won't have the same personality from the comics because it's "misogynistic" or some shit to flirt with women in current year+10
>Reed whines about how he has no idea what he's doing and "the smartest man in the world/universe"s best idea is literally Patrick from SpongeBob's--"Let's take the Earth and push it SOMEWHERE ELSE" without even taking into account the logistics of if anything is already where they might teleport or the ramifications of the Earth's position in the Milky Way's orbit being ultra specific for a reason
>Johnny trying to sacrifice himself is just a rehash of Rose cucking Finn out of his heroic sacrifice in TLJ when Silver Surfette cucks him out of it
>The Thing's head is too tiny, doesn't sound anything like how he's been depicted with a gruff, gravely voice with a Brooklyn accent for over HALF A CENTURY now nor does he see "IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME!" and hates saying it on top of his lack of a character arc/struggle/focus and the woman who is his love interest being a Literally Who? instead of Alicia Masters making his lack of existential angst even more baffling
>Mister Fantastic, the stretchy powers man's one weakness is Galactus STRETCHING him
>Metextually they have ALL been confirmed to survive not only THIS film but also Doomsday and Secret Wars by Bob Iger and Kevin Feige
Anonymous No.149811666 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
RIP
Anonymous No.149811725 [Report]
>>149798606
Anonymous No.149811734 [Report]
>>149799265
>spider-man
>owned by the mouse
Even Deadpool 3 was made by Fox and you can see it.
Anonymous No.149811742 [Report]
>>149802646
she answered the call, she was a qt before.
Anonymous No.149811746 [Report]
>>149807668
37
Anonymous No.149812165 [Report]
>>149798606
Based?
Anonymous No.149812542 [Report]
>>149798601
Faggot Rascal
Anonymous No.149812570 [Report]
>>149802646
Not ugly, but she's too old to he Sue. She looked great in the Crown, but that was years ago now.
Anonymous No.149812584 [Report] >>149812644
>>149807944
So anon don’t really belive blue collar work won’t be beneficial to any American? Because we all know everyone goes to college for STEM right?
Anonymous No.149812603 [Report]
>>149800430
Like being a gigacommie helps his PR, you retard. Topkek
Anonymous No.149812623 [Report] >>149812650
Terrible word of mouth.
Nothing even controversial to engage people.
Just thousands of initial viewers expressing the thoughts:
>Eh.
Anonymous No.149812644 [Report]
>>149812584
NTA but kids who grew up with cell phones, cell service/broadband, etc. since before 6th grade do know want to be janitors, housekeepers, cashiers, or even comparably shitty jobs like retail clerks, grocery store workers, or any other retail jobs.
People who are not white skinned do not take those jobs unless they have no other prospects and then still bitch and moan about it 24/7, and eventually quit or get fired.
And end up getting drunk on cheap domestic swill like Bud and Miller, and committing convenience store robberies eventually.
Anonymous No.149812650 [Report]
>>149812623
Jeremy Jahns propped it up because Superman made him seethe a little too hard. But again, that speaks much more for the latter film.
Anonymous No.149812923 [Report]
Well,the thing is, Disney can still afford flops, but WBD can't. So, Fantastic Flop costs Disney less than Superwoke cost WBD, even though the latter made 10-15% more.
Anonymous No.149812946 [Report] >>149813101
>>149802646
Looks like a bald dude lying atop a mop.
Anonymous No.149813013 [Report]
>>149803480
It's like if someone showed Ruffalo 90s Hulk when he and Banner were in perfect sync and he totally misunderstood what made it work because Ruffalo can't fucking act
Anonymous No.149813051 [Report]
>>149807484
Not in F4, according to "leakers" (read: bullshit fanfic) Doom is alt-Earth Tony's twin brother who got separated as an infant.
Anonymous No.149813082 [Report]
>>149807484
No, in fact it's implied the FF haven't even fought Doom yet.
Anonymous No.149813101 [Report]
>>149812946
Kek can't unsee it now.
Anonymous No.149813137 [Report]
>>149798583 (OP)
You know EXACTLY what went wrong. Stop making threads with rhetorical questions for the sake of farming (You)s
Anonymous No.149813159 [Report]
>>149798734
Exactly why they keep taking it down on youtube, they're trying to hide the fact that despite it being cheesy and low budget, it's actually kinda decent
Anonymous No.149813188 [Report]
Marvel Studios needs to set a new maximum budget of $100 million for every movie they make. Nobody gives a shit about capeshit anymore so $500 million in the box office is becoming the new norm
Anonymous No.149813822 [Report]
>>149799197
Sue shoud have had a mini skirt.
Anonymous No.149815256 [Report]
>>149799151
/co/ really hates Pedro Pascal for some reason. I genuinely don't get why people have such a hateboner for him. I haven't seen interviews with him. Is he really condescending in them? I literally only know him from Mandalorian so I have no clue what else he's been in for people to be sick of him apparently being everywhere.