Thread 149821664

So, organic or mechanical web shooters?

Mechanical never made sense to me

>>149821664 (OP)
organic and that's not even a competition

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical cause it servers the plot better.

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic. The whole "Spider-Man" thing just feels kinda underwhelming otherwise.

>>149821664 (OP)
That's what we're gonna do today, we're gonna fight?

the idea of organic just feels disturbing when I think about it.
imagine having a hole in your forearm that shoots out silk and when you tug on it tugs under your skin, potentially wiggling around the edges of the whole and damaging the opening. I would lose sleep over it

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic. If he can stick on walls then why can't he inherit the ability to make webs?

>>149821754
>imagine having a hole in your dick that shoots out jizz and when you tug on it tugs under your skin, potentially wiggling around the edges of the whole and damaging the opening. I would lose sleep over it

Organic, and they should be on his ass.

The point of having it be mechanical is that Spider-man wouldn't exist without peter and his ambition/intelligence. It's like being mad he made his own suit. Just because a spider bit him doesn't mean it made him Spider-Man

>>149821821
What if he had organic webs and built his suit to cling to walls?

>>149821754
In venture bros there this spider man knockoff that shoots his webs out the back of his abdomen. Also if it came off the arms it would need to have weaving appendages to make it into a rope. Organic is better overall but it needs some explaining

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical and if you disagree you're a secondary piece of shit.

>>149821801
if you had a string of silk running into your dick hole that could suspend your entire weight, and you had to use it to attach to walls and swing, you would absolutely lose sleep. just imagine the potential health problems irl

>>149821664 (OP)

Organic. It makes more sense to me. besides, Spider-man already gained organic shooters when he mutated into man-spider and that was before the movies came out.

>>149821664 (OP)
one on each arm

>>149821847
What if a pig flew out of your ass. It didn't.

>>149821664 (OP)
I know mechanical is the original concept but I prefer organic. I always thought when it came to his powers his webbing was part of his set of abilities. I'm no writer but I always thought if you want to kill two birds with one stone. You give him organic webbing. But have mechanical web shooters that better weaves them.

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic. Peter just inventing hyper pressurized web cartridges with a unique formula he cooked up in his bedroom with a child's chemistry set and then being able to control them with a single button device, which he also invented despite being a dirt poor, jobless loser living on his aunt's fixed income is somehow less believable than a radioactive spider mutating his DNA and giving him super powers.

>>149821664 (OP)
Either is fine in all reality. Each comes with strengths and weaknesses conceptually.

>>149821738
this. Other left for him in terms of a spider otherwise,climbing walls?
then we should just call him Bugman already and call it a day

>>149821847
narratively it would be worse. web shooters allow him to have a bunch of different webbing and types of webshooters, leading to more interesting designs. A sticky suit doesn't add much

Everyone ITT is ignoring the real question.
How far would you probe into your wrist vaginas?
Would you fuck them?
How would you explain it to your doctor after you got stuck double shotting web?

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic production, Mechanical ejection.

>>149821745
Yes

>>149821924
I wouldn't do that at all. Same goes with any orifice.

>>149821932
Agreed, said that earlier. Has any writer tried that idea?

Starts off with mechanical, his body eventually further mutates so he can produce them organically (yes from his wrists still).

>>149821956
Yeah, we hear Captain Vaginapalms say that all the time, and we all know he's a fucking liar

>>149821932
How does he realize he needs that? Does it build up until he has a web wet dream and wakes up webbed to the bed? Does Aunt May come in and give him a hand?

>>149821664 (OP)
I like to think a combination of both, organic webs but they lack some strength and accuracy, the mechanical part its like a helper or conduct to shot more precise webs.

Aww yeah people can just fly and shit but spiderman has to use canisters of dollar tree party string because "it's more realistic"

>>149821979
I'm sorry, who?

>>149821664 (OP)
mechanical. shows hes smart. has limitations. can run out or be damaged. can easily create drama as needed. it requires he maintain it too. this means monetary commitment on chemicals for webbing, etc. another 'parker luck' type of problem for him balancing life with spiderman. it opens up avenues for dealing with vilains. mix cold weather version in winter or variation for dealing with electro and so on.

a common trope that is very good for drama and cathartic resolutions is hero vs villain with both running out of resources. in this case say pumpkin bombs and glider destroyed and spiderman out of webbing. it boils down to a street fight/brawl with both espousing ideological differences culminating in victory for the hero. how you get to that point is also usually great. something like using all webbing to save someone or forced to take attacks that damage your webshooters while helping others. you can also have other options like using up all webbing and unable to pursue villains to extend drama with some credibility. you didnt lose, but couldnt win instead of beaten or forced to have some contrivance let them go. the hero chose to save people instead and cost chance to pursue.

the organics arent spiderman. they remove too much from his character and add nothing. just garbage from jms run, the worst run in any comic book in the history of comic books. literally 3 or 4 of worst stories all time with omd, twins, norman fucking gwen, 9/11 doom crying and fanfiction spider totem nonsense. the fact the organic webbing is from there too should tell you enough about how bad it is for the character. only people that do not read or understand spiderman and just think its webbing and doesnt matter where it comes from.

>>149821938
In that case, anyone who chooses 'both' is a fence-sitting coward! Take a stand on one of these hills and start swinging!

>>149821885
/thread

>>149821991
>How does he realize he needs that?
"Hmm I can make webs now, but they just sort of ooze out, what if I made a device that can shoot them out quickly?"
>Does it build up until he has a web wet dream and wakes up webbed to the bed? Does Aunt May come in and give him a hand?
That's not too far off from what James Cameron was going to have in his movie kek

>>149821694
They make no sense.
Organic ones also make no sense. Either way they're part of the fantasy you must accept in order to get into Spider-Man stories.
They're functionally magic.

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic like one it's a lot easier to believe than some teenager casually creating revolutionary technology with limited resources and also doesn't make him seem like a dick for hogging said revolutionary technology

>>149821664 (OP)
This a bot thread? Because we regularly have this god awful shitpost thread

>>149821862
What the heck does that even mean?

>>149822120
anons that prefer the artificial web claim that Parker wouldn't seel the technology because of the "powers and responsibilities" thing. I still disagree,he could still do his hero duties and still make lots of money by selling the technology he manufactured

>>149822169
Movie fags have been a blight on the super hero genre since forever

>>149821738
I thought so too when I found out 616 spidey doesn't have them as a kid. Today, I'd say there's little point to web shooters unless you're going to either make him conserve ammunition, or give the devices the ability to produce several specialized types of webbing. Like the standard ropes, "glue bombs", a big sheet of the stuff, etc.

>>149822234
>I still disagree,he could still do his hero duties and still make lots of money by selling the technology he manufactured
if he did that then everyone would know he's Spider-Man

The correct answer is mechanical, the opinions of secondaries are worthless

Organic to shoot web strands, webshooters to create hax web constructs.

>>149822310
Stop making up words, loser.

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical is so much cooler.

>>149821664 (OP)
Both. One can act as a backup in case the other fails.
And mechanical can serve to enhance the abilities of organic slingers.

Unless you're the Brown Widow.
There's no saving that.

>>149822234
The webbing also requires Spider-man precision to handle properly

>>149821664 (OP)
organic makes more sense

Who cares?

>>149822234
He literally tried to sell it, as in the comics, the comics you supposedly read anon. People didn't want it because it was temporary, despite how many uses you'd have for it in first responder or EMT situations. Besides, they have 70 spider people now, how many of them if any are doing the organic webs? Mechanical seems to be the preferred way.

Mechanical. Only moviefags think otherwise but the Raimi films are okay. "Combination of the two" is a reddit answer for the type of fans that need everything to be canon

You think any of the spider people have fucked their wrist-ussy before?

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical. Peter is a genius and both the webfluid and the webshooters are a testament to this.
A good compromise is organic webs with a mechanical webshooter though, that'd allow him to keep the mehcanical genius part of the character while making the "spider" part of the "Spider-Man" name make more sense, and he'd still be able to have different configurations for his webs.
But it's not as good as just purely mechanical, as >>149821821 said, Spider-man wouldn't exist without Peter's ingenuity and intelligence

Organic is cooler.

>>149822713
Nah, I like a fusion.
Start with organic for basic webs. Peter makes the mechanical launcher for trick shots, web bombs, and shit.

>>149822665
>>149822309
Comic writers just want to have the formula (story formula) they want and that's that. They're also usually uninterested in finding a way to address it because it would take effort.
Like Peter could find more time to set up some shell company or backstory to a new identity that could then market a new adhesive to another company behind closed doors or through his own efforts and the help of an investor. This could then lead to a storyline where it's an evil company or a well-intentioned company that then has a breach in cybersecurity or security and a villain steals the formula (web formula) similar to Armor Wars or Web Wars. That could then lead to the government getting involved and confiscating the web formula to stop bad people from using it and Peter's shell identity ends up not receiving any money in the process through some underhanded shit. Peter obviously puts in the work to make the identity look legitimate and possibly finds the formula through trying to replicate a sample this person took of Spider-Man's web and this whole story could redpill kids on bureaucracy and government intersection with business. But nah, Marvel doesn't want effort in their stories.
Maybe the identity also is under scrutiny from the public who think this person is leeching off of Spider-Man..

>>149823070
But gear five luffy literally warps reality tho.

>>149821664 (OP)
Both you need the mechanical to do the fancy shit, with them Spider-Man does regular shit

>>149823070
??
are you lost,/a/ faggot?

>>149821664 (OP)
it's fucking cool that peter can invent shit. it's awesome how he has gear IN ADDITION to powers. the web-shooters, the spider-tracers, the belt light. he's always ready. plus it gives him something that can throw a fight off, if he runs out. if you run out of organic web, what, you eat more protein?

organic webbing was always retarded, but it could work for a genetically engineered character. just not as a power you'd get from your DNA being slightly spliced with a spider. That'd be navel webbing, and you'd have to pull it out yourself manually.

but in fairness yeah both are super impossible because in real life you can't shoot things out long distances, there's this thing called air

>>149822822
just reminded me that he can communicate with spiders and only used that ability twice
i think they retconned that it was totem/other shenanigans but it still wouldn't explain the island

>>149821664 (OP)
Both are unrealistic horseshit and if you argue about it you're more concerned with having the correct opinions on comics rather than reading them

>>149823204
that was that 'the other' bullshit where he also had like wrist stingers. fuck that entire thing. that's about as gay as that 'spider totem' nonsense.

>>149821745
>This is how the flip people off in Japan
Hah!

>>149821885
Were mechanisms/circuits/buttons not advanced enough in the 1960's to not recognize a button press's timing for how long it was held or switching according to how many times you pressed it in a row? I think Peter being able to switch to three different pressures or chemical mixes of the web fluid isn't too unbelievable in sci-fi Marvel world.
Also Uncle Ben having a small pressurized tank lying around doesn't seem too expensive. All that shit could be explained by Peter diving for old mechanical parts. The chemicals and believability of that is the stretch but that's just him being said to be smart and that's that. Internet nowadays makes it easier to look up all that chemical knowledge. Specialized books on spiders and chemistry shouldn't be too hard to find in New York.

>>149822713
>"Combination of the two" is a reddit answer for the type of fans that need everything to be canon
Why do you not attack the argument?

>>149821754
Tug on the corner of your mouth with your finger. Hard.

>>149821664 (OP)
There is truly no point in these threads anymore. There isn't any actual debate anymore, hardly anyone understands reason or logic, it's just two narratives being presented in what is supposed to look like organic conversation. But it is so obvious there is a script or at least pavlovian responses to triggers. Couldn't you have at least been original? No I suppose that would defeat the purpose of these threads

>>149823247
Waste of time and they're already mechanical

>>149823358
But that doesn't prove it as being the best method

>>149821664 (OP)
If you don't prefer mechanical, you're not a real Spider-Man fan. You're a Tobey-Man fan. It's as straightforward as that.

>>149821722
Raimi established Pete losing the webs due to psychological shit. Dude getting hit hard in life is a good enough obstacle and won't ever stop because that's just life.

Both.

>>149821863
>just imagine the potential health problems irl
Nigga fuck that shit. If my jizz can support my weight in the air, fuck yeah I'll do it.

>>149823233
So why didn't he patent that shit and make a fortune?

>>149823643
As explained by the original ASM issue numero uno, when Spidey wants to cash a check he would have to reveal his ID. The same would be required for a patent and more.
That is why I explained the workarounds in >>149823068 if you care to read that much and also possible story ideas to eventually get Peter back to the status quo. To add to that post, Peter still in the process could make some money and progress his life just not to becoming the next Tony Stark. That'd be what Slott did. And that's retarded.

>>149821664 (OP)
The one from the media I consoomed first. And if you disagree you are wrong

>>149821664 (OP)
Both. Mechanical inspired on his organic radioactive spineret

>>149821855
>but it needs some explaining
How could you explain that, professor?

>>149821924
I AM JESUS CHRIST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X97QNnsZMbo

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical. It's part of Spider-Man's character and there are a lot of things that you can do with them that organically wouldn't be possible. Like magnetizing them or using a special substance, like asbestos

>>149822267
>or give the devices the ability to produce several specialized types of webbing.
That's how it was during the first run. But after that it feels like they thought that it was stupid to remark that. Bad decision

Mechanical, cause I like him being a gadgeteer. If they were organic he'd have to have exposed wrists on his suit and having a whole ass organ in your forearms would be super noticeable. Especially if his arms get engorged from not relieve his silk glands enough. Imagine having to bring a trash can into a public bathroom to piss out all your excess webs then carry the bag with you to dispose of it discreetly. Anyone who noticed would thank Peter was some kind of sick scatfag. Also wouldn't organic webs have his dna in it?

>>149822234
Yeah because that absolutely wasn't one of the first Spider-Man stories

YORgAnic mAykes Myour CeNts to myigh ReTyarded Brian!

Organical, I don't think mechanical adds anything.

>>149825184
>a 15-17 years old genius makes no sense
>unlike superpowers

Energy webbing.

>>149823233
>three different pressures or chemical mixes of the web fluid isn't too unbelievable

iirc it's the same mix, he only adjusts the nozzle so it shoots a wide spread or a thinner single strand or an intermediary.

>>149823643
He tried selling it but scientists considered the idea of a superglue that dissolves in an hour to be useless.

Mechanical sucks and feels like it only exists to nerf spiderman

>>149825432
I feel that way about organic. Like he can just pop another cartridge in. What's he going to do if he runs out of organic? Go "oh fuck! I need some milk!"

>>149825229
Peter is a bitter genius that probably would've been picked up by some evil org like AIM if it weren't for his powers and the lessons learned from Ben's death.

>>149825550
Ok, what does that have to do with having organic or mechanical web shooters?

>>149821664 (OP)
Spiderman having vagina slits on his wrist is freaky and not in an good way.
Something like the Red from Animal Man would have served as a cooler mechanism to explain why Spider Man has his powers

>>149823233
The kind of advanced electrical engineering that he'd need to be able to do would require tools and materials he couldn't afford. Same for the kind of machinery needed to produce tiny pressurized cartridges that can fit into a device on his wrist. They don't make tanks that small for anything, even for airsoft stuff. It's really not easily explained. It's hand-wave-able by comic logic, but it's the kind of writing you get from dumb people who think high IQ is a super power that lets you turn household objects into highly advanced technology, and Spidey/Peter is very smart, and he is a fucking comic book character, but nothing about the character requires that he also be smart enough to invent the web shooters.

>>149821821
Modern Peter literally is a guy in a nanosuit with a talking IA. He lack of Spider-sense and has X-ray vision.

Mechanical. My autism won't let me stop thinking about the caloric requirements to produce web "naturally" that he can use to swing around on buildings all the time.

organically produced, but requires a device to shoot.

>>149825590
>Something like the Red from Animal Man would have served as a cooler mechanism to explain why Spider Man has his powers
Another reason why Spidey should've been a DC character,

>>149825653
when was the last time you read ASM. He hasnt had any of that shit for a long time

>>149825575
You say mechanical adds nothing to the character, I say Peter being a genius is important to a lot of his motivations as well as how he actually beats his enemies, he doesn't just body everyone with his spider powers he'll go back to his workbench and build some gimmicky device to remove the advantage his opponent has which is why he gets characters like Sandman and Electro as villains.

>>149825860
So he shows he is a genius building stuff unrelated to his web shooters then.

>>149821821
Who wins a fight? Spider-spider or man-man?

>>149825895
How big is spider-spider? This is very important.

reminder andrew jobbed to tugboat's organic webs

>>149821664 (OP)
Infinite web sucks ass make it either organic or mechanical as long as the web runs out at some point

>>149821924
Being smothered in some white shit that came out of another man is hella gay and disgusting

>>149825877
He builds many things including his web shooters you mongoloidian retard. Web Shooters being his first major invention shows his genius because they cover essential acts he does as a hero by giving mobility, restraining enemies without harming them, and allowing near instant response to dangers like out of control vehicles to prevent crashes. Being given webs just makes his actions a convenient and obvious application of a powerset while invtenting them as a catchall tool for saving the day without harming anyone (until it backfires with Gwen and he applies his genius to learning how to use them better) shows an important vision he has for how he should use his powers.

>>149825931
Both Spider Geeks were completely emasculated when the Tugboat showed his big dick organic shooters.

>>149825947
>He builds many things including his web shooters
So he doesn't need the web shooters to show he is a genius.

>>149825959
I would beat you to death in the street you retard.

>>149825914
Spider-spider has all the advantages of a spider while man-man has all the flaws of a man so pretty big

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical. You make different gadgets with it like in Spider-Man remastered. Only special, intelligent people can be Spider-Man.

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical. You can make different gadgets with it, like in Spider-Man remastered. Only special, intelligent people can be Spider-Man.

>>149825964
You wouldn't be able to I can assure you that.

The new lore about him being granted his power from some big ass spider entity makes not having organic webs make even less sense

>>149821664 (OP)
>>149821694
>>149821721
Organic is retarded and disgusting. Mechanical has ALWAYS been the ONLY way that makes sense.

>>149825628
>nothing about the character requires that he also be smart enough to invent the web shooters
Well it does help explain other aspects of the character when he's in a pinch and has to devise a chemical solution or something to tackle whatever sci-fi bio villain he is facing. It also tracks with him attending the radioactivity demonstration. He doesn't need to be super smart for that but it does help. Also if he's gifted then he can have more moments where he is underestimated by other heroes or villains which plays off Peter's own personality trait of sometimes being egotistical or easily angered by people. It also further plays into the origin where Peter sees himself as too smart and good to help others, just like many mad scientists do when they create their science invention and fail to help or attack others. Peter being smart enough to make web shooters while maybe not as fantastical as it was back then did serve a clear indicator to the reader of AF 15 that he has promise and the knowhow to provide for himself in some way and it signals the power he already has and how you the normal person can use science or whatever talent you have responsibly.
Him just getting the organic webs doesn't change too much but it does smooth over stuff that can serve for more creative ground to explore.

>>149826445
>not as fantastical as it was back then
Sorry I meant not as fantastical as it is now than it was back then. People didn't know as much about engineering so they didn't see anything wrong with it. Also it is a children's product.

make them mechanical so a competent villain can break them and create a better fight scene

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic fluid and mechanical shooters there is no argument against this combo. It both keeps the genius aspect and allows different web types and makes his powerset more spiderey on top of keeping webshooters exclusive to Peter. One of the biggest plotholes in spider-man lore is not being able to make a profit off of artificial webbing.

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic makes sense thematically (on the surface), but Mechanical is literally ties into Peter Parker and is thus much more thematic to his overall personality and MO
Organic is not that common to begin with and it's very obvious as to why, but there's 100+ replies at this point and multiple comic panels posted to back me up so I'm just barking at the wind

Anyone who says mechanical “because it makes for good drama when he runs out of cartridges” is a dumb smelly baby-dicked idiot who can’t think of any way to write a story with ACTUAL drama and stakes…

Organic makes more sense for a spider based hero but in Peter's case the mechanical shooters are important because he's a science guy doing science things, it helps establish parts of his character and can be used to raise stakes.
Organic fluid and mechanical shooters would make for an interesting change to his character, but watch Marvel take that idea and make that Miles' thing somehow, on top of giving him more, newer powers and costumes.

>>149822353
I'd have it the other way around. Webshooters as his workhorse and organic for the fancy stuff.

>>149825385
>nozzle
Man I forgot. That's another thing. I know Peter gets dogged on for writers and their stupid decisions on how they write the parker luck like Peter forgetting simple stuff or being dumb about planning certain things.
But Peter forgetting to switch the nozzle on his web shooter so that when he expects a stream instead of impact webbing could lead to funny stuff like him expecting to rope somebody in but instead they get socked in the face with an impact webbing shot.
As for the mix of organic and mechanical idea, it's ok. But I dunno I'd rather it just be one or the other (heh). Kinda getting into the weeds in a different way and complicating it further.

>>149821885
kek

/thread

>>149821664 (OP)
mechanical only exists to sell toys

>>149821664 (OP)
It's all nonsense, but goddamn I hate the term "organic webbing." Oh so it's carbon-based? Fuck off. Call it biological webbing. Organic webbing sounds like something you buy at an all-natural hardware and gardening store.

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic with mechanical that enhances the webbing with properties to counter his gallery of rogues.

>>149825653
Stop watching MCU shit

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical. Gotta have the silver age goofyness.

>>149821664 (OP)
Which one goes 'pew'?

>>149822234
Peter lives in a universe where theres super geniuses with brilliant inventions everywhere, but the goverment gatekeeps a lot of it from going to the public because most of it is unstable or dangerous, Peters webbing tech is good but not great by Marvel standards so his stuff doesnt even make it to government review

>>149826675
But almost no one is saying that organicfag...

>>149827657
In universe, its because of "1 hour and it dissolve" thing. Its actually a flaw rather than a feature.

>>149821694
Yeah mechanical would run out way to fast

>>149821664 (OP)

I prefer organic webbing. A Spider-Man should be... well.. a Spider Man. If all his signature abilities come from gadgets what was the point of getting bitten by a radioactive spider in the first place?

>>149827897
Huuuuuuuhhhhh, are you saying the writers psyopped us from the start? We could have been imitating all this time, and we fell for the power ruse.

>>149821694
Anon, Spider-man is a super hero....

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical obviously, organic is degenerate
>inb4 Raimi babies go waah waah

>>149822665
>People didn't want it because it was temporary, despite how many uses you'd have for it in first responder or EMT situations.

This shit bothers me the most. Literal panels of people laughing because the webs dissolve. As if there weren't completely reasonable applications to a temporary glue.

>>149826716
>but in Peter's case the mechanical shooters are important because he's a science guy doing science things, it helps establish parts of his character and can be used to raise stakes.

I see people say this, but Spidey has other gadgets besides the web shooters.

>>149828015
Dikto's loved his gadgets. As expected of someone who was a fan of Batman IIRC.

>>149828030
One of his teachers was a Batman artist, Jerry Robinson

movie only fags die

Its a shame that Raimi didn't got with the gadgets for the sake of realism. The final design in the cut footage had a really cool DIY feel.

>>149828015
The difference is that other the gadgets are often one off or secondary tools.
Having the Web Shooters be tech allows that part of his character to be meaningful in his core toolkit.

Peter not having tech shooters is like a character we are told constantly is a very accurate shot with a gun not having any kind of gun in their base toolkit.

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic is better
He gets all the powers of a spider
>strong
>crawls on walls
What about webs, the thing spiders are most known for
No no, he has to make a wrist watch for that
Venom
No no, hes a spider not a scorpion
You could just name him sticky strong man instead of spider man then

NOOOOO MJ DON'T KEK ME I CAN'T SHOT WEB

>>149821664 (OP)
I think mechanical is conceptually cooler

>>149828112
I don't really see this as a problem. Frankly, without being able to naturally shoot webs, I question why Pete went specifically with a spider theme at all, since it's an uphill battle in terms of PR. Spiders aren't super appealing creatures, and he's been worried about people being scared of him before. What makes Spidey Spider-Man without the webs? Wall crawling? Plenty of things can crawl walls.

>>149828133
The fact he got bit by a spider to gain his powers.

>>149828150
Sure, that's the source, but why make it the theme if it could cause problems? Are the Fantastic Four the "Cosmic Ray Gang"? Batman is Batman because he wants to scare people. At a baseline, Pete has super-strength, fast reaction time, and can climb walls. He could have a possum theme. People like possums.

>>149828170
That's fair and while I understand you point in a vacuum and can only respond with "it was the 60s and they wanted a catching set-up" I do not think it is a meaningful enough argument to counteract that character value added by making the webshooters tech.
I fell like this will be the hard gap between us that will make everything past this ineffective if you want to continue this argument.
Also separate from the point
>He could have a possum theme. People like possums.
No they don't on the elvel of it being worthwhile by your own criteria unless you a conservationist or nature sciences weirdo.

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic. Why do all these people even come to the conclusion that they have spider powers if they can't shoot webs?

The correct answer is mechanical, worn outside the costume.
We call this a "Dirty Reilly" here in NYC (New York City for you outsiders). The best thing too is that you dont even have to cover up you just put on your hoodie and slap on your shooters and start firing and its always sticky and ready to sling

What web shooting/slinging devices do you have where you live?

>Webshooters are not realistic
>Also, that adaptation of the guy that transform into sand is kino

>>149822072
I was imagining it like this:
he has two tiny holes at the bottom of each palm (when not in use they contract and become invisible), he can use his fingers to pull silk out and weave it, basically the same way spiders do, but can't lauch them (unless, like, he makes a lasso or something)
i know that superhero tech isn't meant to make sense, but this also elegantly solves the classic problem of "why is he just keeping this invention to himself" all superhero inventors have: the web shooters only work for him since he produces silk himself

>>149821664 (OP)
Both, at the same time
He doesn't need the mechanical shooters, but he can do way more shit with them than he can without.

How does he shoots trough the glove? Mechanical webshooter can have tip stick out. Organic doesn't work.

Beyond the points about mechanical web shooters showcasing Peter's intellect, they also offer more to the story.
Running out of web fluid or having the shooter break or jam is a tried and true form of drama, as is being caught without them if Peter isn't prepared. Having to actually pay to be able to get around is a problem that is pretty uniquely his as well.
Organic webs ditch all of that and the only "benefit" is that he gets one more power from the spider.

>>149828807
He gets the power of the spider that's actually distinct to the spider.

>>149828812
And? Who cares?

>>149828812
>>149828823
I find if interesting that this thread can be boiled down to "which one is more important to the Spider-Man comics?" Peter Parker or the powers.

>>149821694
>>149821664 (OP)
This, there's nothing spider-like about spiderman without organic webshooters
>Pic related

>>149821722
When was the last time they ever did an "Oh no I'm out of webbing", or "Villain damaged my webshooters" because I sure as fuck can't remember it happening outside of the 90's Spider-Chad cartoon.

>>149821664 (OP)
Spiderman's powers should be that he can transform at will into Man-Spider instead to be honest

How is it that no one has a single good reason to hate the combo answer

>>149829075
I hate having to be a nanite programmer on some very rare occasions.

>>149828837
He doesn't become any less Peter Parker-esque if he can naturally shoot webs, is his intelligence defined by him being able to invent mechanical web shooters?

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical gives the opportunity for more variety such as specialized webs or impact webbing, organic only gives you normal stock webbing.

I've seen a lot of people try to "make sense" of Peter's organic webbing, saying he'd have to eat massive quantities of food for his body to be capable of actually producing them.

Has that concept ever been worked into a comic?

>>149821738
Why do fags always say this about Peter Parker but never Bruce Wayne or Ted Kord.

>>149829096
that's why you do both

>>149829132
Because they grew up with the Rami Movies and refuse to integrate with how the best years of 616 handled it.

>>149829109
I think the Insomniac Spider Man games established or implied Pete loves Pepperoni pizzas a lot because it is cheap and high in calories.

>>149829147
Never played them, but I'll assume that means Peter has organic web shooters in them.

>>149829132
Batman wasn't bitten by a bat and then got all abilities of a bat except the one most heavily associated with bats, same for Ted and beetles.

Peter should use mechanical web shooters
Miles, the superior Spiderman, should have biological web shooters as well as biological electricity powers

Venom's webs are organic?

Organics are disgusting.

>>149823233
Simple 555 timer ICs were first made in 1972 but they used transistors so a nerd could conceivably make something similar. Or just use 3 different buttons.
He only uses one web fluid but the nozzle of the web shooter is adjusted to make it shoot different arcs or density webs. He also has a metal panel blocking the button so it doesn't get pressed if he is holding someone, it needs a pressure force of something like 1 tons to be pressed, which Spidey can easily do, and humans operating it can just bypass the blocking panel.

Actually has there ever been a case where someone punched Spidey's palm, and accidentally activated the webshooter?

Also he experimented with different chemicals in the 80s when he was in a university. One mix was too acidic and melted down everything (it ended up turning some skinhead jew into clayface), the other was too strong for his webshooters to snip and he manually had to tear the strand off his wrist.

>>149826766
I'd imagine he has shit ton of practice (considering it's something he's been doing since he was in high school, and he does it in life-or-death situations, so it would make sense that he has it down to muscle reflex), or he has since improved on his shooters so he can just press the button differently or something.

>>149829109
>>149829147
Doing all the superhuman shit he does would already burn a fuck ton of calories before you factor in silk production.

>>149821664 (OP)
Both. Don't do the "out of ammo" plot beats. But, do the electric webs / other webshooter tricks.

>>149829153
nope him and Miles both use webshooters but the pepperoni pizza explanation is interesting nonetheless
>inb4 "why did you bring up Miles for no reason"
there's a neat little phone call dialogue about them discussing web fluid ejection from the shooters and how Miles would have to have a different muzzle diameter to account for his smaller frame. I doubt actual maths went into that conversation but it was an interesting thing that I just remembered

I think Raimi explained the organic webs because it sounded too impossible that a single guy lucked into superhuman powers, a redhead supermodel girlfriend, AND be a science whiz all at the same time.
Even though the entire concept of Pete was that he's the shy aspie nerd who can barely talk to people and always preferred working in a lab instead. And MJ was the girl next door at the beginning, not a supermodel yet (Pete had several girlfriends before her, MJ was just the best choice).

>>149829186
Venoms webs are the symbiotes body, same way as when it morphs to clothes. Or the symbiote produces it. Either way, when Venom first appeared, Spidey beat him by constantly cutting his webbing while Venom was in freefall, until the symbiote ran dry and Venom hit the ground. Which is retarded because he could've just... shot web in a different direction than Spidey, but hey, it was by Todd McFarlane.

>>149829236
>Even though the entire concept of Pete was that he's the shy aspie nerd who can barely talk to people
where did this meme come from? he was asking Liz out on dates before the powers

>>149829244
>he was asking Liz out on dates before the powers

Yeah and he was doing a real bang on job with that, did he? He was really the loner nerd of the entire school who got picked on by the jock (Flash).

Peter being a nerd gets flanderized real quickly. yeah he was a nerdy highschooler obsessed with science and constantly got bullied by Flash but he was far from the unlikeable loner nerd archetype.

>>149821664 (OP)
I do not care.

>>149829272
thanks for the bump, non-carer!

>>149829272
):<

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic, lol

>>149829154
>then got all abilities of a bat
Spider-Man doesn't have all the other abilities of a Spider either. That's the focus of several different books and mini-arcs, that Spider-Man is barely spider-themed with his powers at all. Hell, if you're looking for an actual spider-y Spider-Man, you're looking for Miguel

>>149829373
>Miguel
The best Spider Man alongside Noir

>>149821664 (OP)
>>149821694
Implanted web shooters but I don't think there's a version with those yet

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic.
Shooting webs is what makes Spiderman Spiderman.

It's always ridiculous that Peter can create synthetic webs on his shitty salary.

>>149828015
Remove the webshooters and Spidey's signature iconic style of movement is gone. Remove the occasional gizmo like tracking beacons or something silly like the spider-car and nothing about the character changes.

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical shooters, organic web fluid.

>>149821664 (OP)
The mechanical web shooters are kinda redundant 90% of the time since he's just shooting single strands, but they're actually a good explanation for some of the crazier shit Spidey can do with his webs from time to time.
For all their faults the Tom Holland films actually do a really good job of justifying the mechanical shooters since he switches cartridges and web types all the time, it's not something he'd realistically be able to control if it was organic.

>>149830387
>Shooting webs is what makes Spiderman Spiderman.
And making web cartridges is what makes Peter Spider-man.

>>149830648
>>149830648
>And making web cartridges is what makes Peter Spider-man.
That would make anyone with any intelligence Spider-Man.
Kraven did it, and he was better than Peter.

>>149821694
This. its like the only "spider" specific part of spider man.

>>149830317
what, like artificial webshooters implanted in his skin?

>>149829075
Because it makes the most sense.

>>149826948
good post
>>149821821
what about a guy who can organicly shoot webs but made the tech to stick to walls?

>>149830687
I would accept anyone with smarts and determinism becoming Spider-man more than any random getting a spider bite becoming Spider-man.
That said, Kraven doing on thing then giving up on being Spider-man because he was satisfied is pretty un-Spider-man.

>>149830730
The reversal is shit because there's no real creative opportunities to work with that.
When Pete uses web shooters he can modify them and use different cartridges and properties to do a bunch of crazy shit that isn't just shooting a single web.
If you reverse it and he makes a suit that sticks to walls it's not like he's gonna be able to have much variance in how he sticks to walls.

>>149821664 (OP)
Spinnerets in forearms makes less sense than a teenager inventing a fancy glue squirter.

>>149830790
stickyness is powerful.

>>149830704
Yes

>>149821664 (OP)
I prefer organic, the mechanical web shooters mostly make Parker feel retarded for not selling that shit. They sound like an easy out for every other financial struggle plot I remember of the top of my head.

>>149830769
> I would accept anyone with smarts and determinism becoming Spider-man more than any random getting a spider bite becoming Spider-man
That’s why Miguel is so great

>>149830687
This is probably bait but
1: kraven never made webs
2. The whole point of KLH is the he doesn’t understand what is actually means to be Spider-man

>>149831132
I would agree to this too. Someone without Miguel's resilience would just be some junkie or a monster

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic. The mechanical ones take away the magic from the character.

>>149829272
Based

Organic but changes depending on what he eats
If he eats a spicy curry or whatever he shoots flaming webs, if he eats ice cream he shoots ice cold webs that freeze enemies

Organic but not from the wrists

>>149825737
>My autism won't let me stop thinking about the caloric requirements to produce web "naturally" that he can use to swing around on buildings all the time.
Just make Spidey eat like Goku.

>>149829132
Because they don't have superpowers you dolt.

>>149821664 (OP)
>web shooters
Never liked that idea, web concentrators or pullers would've been much better, something that works with his organic web and helps him to web-swing high above ground for a longer period of time

>>149831567
Which actually adds another layer as to why Ted Kord shouldn't be called the Blue Beetle, you baka.

>>149825985
>You make different gadgets with it like in Spider-Man remastered
Which Spidey doesn't in any other game since he has actual powers.
>Only special, intelligent people can be Spider-Man.
As if. You can be shit at school and still rock as Spidey. Just gotta be creative.

>>149830800
>>149821885

If he's such a genius why doesn't he invent something he can actually sell? I hate the 'oooh spidey is such a down to earth loser like me, but he's a secret genius!' Unless you losers really believe you're also not being recognized for your brilliance.

>>149831872
>Parker Industries
How many times does it need to be said that he can't progress in any meaningful way and only regress.
Spencer literally has Peter break the 4th wall and talk about this.

>>149831872
Peter was always a gifted student, but Lee and Ditko’s original lore was that Spidey’s powers included a special affinity and understanding for how spiders and their webbing function . Web fluid and web shooters were the only super science inventions he was capable of creating. I suppose you could also include the spider tracers, if you count tuning them to the same “frequency” as his spider sense to be super science.

Organic. I absolutely hated that Peter would sling around in the cartoon just to clear his thoughts. Like, I'm not mad at it. Swinging through the city is like walking for Peter. But then a robbery or something would break up and then--guess what? Oh no! No web fluid! Combine this with the fact that TAS has a bunch of rules in place so Peter couldn't just go HAM and beat up his villains kinda make it so that without his webbing Peter was just a guy in a bright costume being a huge target since he has no means of countering ranged attacks aside from throwing boxes. He always came across as anemic and lame in those instances. Never liked it.

If it's mechanical then it allows Peter to "modify" his own webbing which is actually really neat and something I can definitely see a teenage boy genius who is interested in experimenting with his powers developing over time as a means of "needing to keep up with the latest tech" and making certain he can keep up when his villains take on measures to get around his powers or play them against him. I don't mind that. But still--organic all the way. In fact I'd prefer if he had organic web but used the shooters as a means of concentrating and directing the fluid on top of keeping his web ducts somewhat protected. If water gets in that then what happens to his web, you know?

>>149821885
So other Spider-Man characters get to invent their own gimmicky shit on a tight budget while Peter can't?

>>149832003
people forget he was getting internships and offers to work with genius engineers and scientists while in highschool

>>149832003
>but Lee and Ditko’s original lore was that Spidey’s powers included a special affinity and understanding for how spiders and their webbing function .
Huh, where?

>>149832180
Why is that your assumption?

>>149831981
It's fine if he can't progress because he's actually a street level poor hero, but absurd if he's also a super genius who makes inventions

>>149832264
ASM Annual 1

>>149829009
And 90's spiderchad was one of the best iterations of Peter Parker. He had to constantly think on his toes and get creative. He used the web tracker way more and actually had to figure out science stuff to deal with new villains. Mechanical webshooters are better when the writers know how to write an actually smart spider-man rather than a spider-man we are only told is really smart.

>>149821664 (OP)
Organic that feeds into mechanical reserve cartridges. That silk production has to be taxing on his metabolism. Can't imagine how much he has to eat to maintain the amount of silk he needs.

>>149832406
Cool.

Bullshit fanfic idea involving Breaking Bad. Walter goes through with disappearing but instead goes to New York. For reasons not yet developed, Spider-Man is forced to rely on him to obtain & combine the ingredients needed for the webbing. Potentially Jameson has somehow figured out that the webbing is manufactured, and has a part to play in how this scenario came to be, whether that’s harassing chemical processing plants, or having the press scrutinize any laboratory that could be used to put the cartridges together.

>>149831017
meh, feels overkill

>>149832517
Personally rather than reserves I'd say it's responsible for getting his webbing to shoot like webbing. My issue with the cartridges is how he'd get the webbing to form a pattern though. Spiders use their legs to weave the web into that pattern.

>>149832767
There’s the infamous (implied) child cancer episode, and there’s one brief explanation that the nozzle is adjustable like the spray bottle you use for your cat. But then he makes a swing with the webbing seconds after.

>>149831872
>If he's such a genius why doesn't he invent something he can actually sell?

Editorial mandate. He was a hotshot CEO who made the latest iphone tier gadget a few years back. Hydra took it over so Pete activated the personal company backdoor to make all the devices EXPLODE.
Like, imagine if Apple phased out old iphones by making them blow up in your hand. Nevermind the fact that the devices came with a killswitch, they also came with enough explosives built in to destroy themselves.

>>149821664 (OP)
Neither. Give him webbing from the webbing dimension.

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical. Anyone who says otherwise is just a Raimifag or a moron.

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical. Only retarded zoomers who grew up on the shitty movies would say otherwise.

>>149833424
But how would he able to do that in a school lab equipment, though?

>>149834077
He did it in the 1960 when public education in the US was not a complete fucking joke yet. It's entirely conceivable that some schools would have the equipment necessary.

>>149826560
>profit off of artificial webbing
Wasn't the Andrew Garfield webbing originally designed for industrial use? He just bulk ordered the webbing online and reverse engineered the shooter to be much more compact and fine tuned

>>149834077
How would radiation give you superpowers? It doesn't matter, organic or mechanical. Arguing about which makes more sense is midwit shit when none of this would ever happen. Pick the one that works better for the story being told.

I'm not attacking you by the way, these threads have been going on forever

>>149834314
it was a type of cabling but yeah. reverse engineered it and went through a dozen prototypes trying to get it right.

>mechanical webbing dissolves in an hour to pretend people from tracing the tech and so cops can actually get crooks out
Fuck organic

>>149834126
>He did it in the 1960 when public education in the US was not a complete fucking joke yet.
Nigga this shit ain't real. A broke ass teenager could not have made this in the 60s no matter what. Fucking retard.

>>149834437
It’s just stronger silly string. He just needs someway to compress air.

Web shooters >>>> organic fan fiction

>>149834431
Why can't organic dissolve in an hour? This shit's fictional so anything goes.
>>149834467
>It’s just stronger silly string
That's the toy. It ain't 1:1 to the real thing, autist.

>>149821694
Mechanical web shooters are superior because they show Peter's intelligence and ability to work with what he has. It also allows for extra tension because you can always write in his web running out in the middle of a fight.

Literally the only reason anyone wants organic web is because you grew up on Raimi.

Organic. Best to get the geek elements out of the character. Writers keep on going too far with the nerd angle, making Pete a total lameass with zero attitude. Take the geek stuff out, and he gets to be an angtsy teen with a shit temper. A character speaks to a lot of teens around the world. Let him be flawed instead of some pure hearted goody two shoes like many nerds pretend to be.

>>149834515
> It ain't 1:1 to the real thing, autist.
Well yeah, it’s much stronger and more compressed-idea remains the same though, compressed fluid type dries up in the air after being shot at a high velocity.

>>149834762
He's already flawed, and the nerd angle is integral to the character.

Here's the thing for me.
I think the spider bite is cooler if it just puts Peter at his physical peak while unlocking bits of his brain or physiology that allow him to operate electromagnetic waves to stick to walls.
There's a bit of sci-fi bullshit in there but the long and short of it is I don't like the idea that Peter grew new organs from the spider bite, I think he should still just be a regular guy on the inside.

>>149834834
>the nerd angle is integral to the character.
Nah. You can be an outcast without being a fucking nerd. It's called being antisocial, where your attitude's so bad you become unapproachable. Having resting bitch face will do that too.

Honestly, Spider-man should just be a giant spider Metamorphose style.
Man-spider was always cooler than Spider-man.

>>149834930
This is how you get Andrew Garfield skateboarding hipster. That fucking sucked. Peter in the comics was a nerd AND antisocial. He was bullied because he was kind of a jerk to everyone.

>>149821664 (OP)
doesnt actually matter since his powers have nothing to do with spiders anymore and you can make up excuses for both to run out of webs.

>spider sense is now literal bullshit magic that lets him sense that someone is going to fire a gun before they even make the movements to do so
>umm actually spider totems gave him his powers
>literally the only spider power he has now that actually relates to spiders is him having the ability to stick to walls and im not even sure if the writers know anymore that its because he has hundreds of tiny claws like an actual spider.

also several villans have been able to copy his formula for webs so its not like him inventing the formula is some insane breakthrough for a 15 year old since they have tons of advanced tech compared to IRL and peter literally spent almost all of his time reading science shit.

>>149825082
sources?

>>149834721
>it's good because it just is!
>the other thing is bad because I say so!

>>149834878
>peak physical
Peter is so far beyond "peak" human abilities and is rarely written to just be pretty strong for a well-trained human. He doesn't even really train in most continuities, and relies on his superhuman danger sense and superhuman agility and reaction time to avoid getting hurt, which he can handle anyways, because he's exponentially more durable than any normal human anyways. And that's not even getting into the way that just being "peak physical" wouldn't be enough for him to even be able to survive web-slinging without ripping his arms off.

>>149835141
one of the first Spider-man stories.

>>149821664 (OP)
Said it way more than once, but I really do feel like the best is that he makes his own webs that can be used for a couple things, but he invented shooters for different kinds of webs, like webslinging, big sticky globs, nets, that weird web punching thing he does sometimes, etc.
If not, then full-organic because it's kinda stupid if he gets bitten by a radioactive spider and his only "spider" powers are climbing walls and the vague concept of "spider sense" (plus the generic superhero stats.)

>>149835095
>im not even sure if the writers know anymore that its because he has hundreds of tiny claws like an actual spider
KILL ALL RAIMIFAGS

>>149835141
Read the thread dumbass >>149823839
or better yet, read the comics.
>>149828969
Peter has spider-sense. Geckos do have a similar vibration sense but it is only like 50-200 hz while spiders can detect 40-600 hz. Peter's sense can be seen to be OP sometimes.
>>149828459
I don't see how that solves the problem you described. He could have that shit analyzed and still get something out of it. Also elegance isn't always the answer for good stories. Not our fault writers haven't explored this line of questioning.
>>149832767
I felt like there was an explanation that when the web hits the air, it just forms into that shape.
>>149834878
Peter's powers if taken to the realistic extreme would just be his muscles becoming super strong, his hairs on his body and head multiplying and becoming somehow super sensitive and his fingers and feet being covered in those special van der Waals hairs.

>>149832210
>people forget he was getting internships and offers to work with genius engineers and scientists while in highschool
So much for being relatable.

>>149834468
>>149835450
This annual is kind of hilarious cause it really showcases how little research and thought Stan and Ditko really put into the implications of becoming a human spider
>SPIDER-MAN'S POWERS EXPLAINED
>how does he cling to walls? well... just like how a spider does duh! don't ask us how a spider does it
>how does he make the web fluid? only peter would know...

>>149832517
>Can't imagine how much he has to eat to maintain the amount of silk he needs.

>>149835450
>as though they have thousands of tiny suction cups
read next time retard. Actual spiders have claws and hairs that help them stick to walls which spiderman presumably gained.

>>149835611
And shows that fanboys are total zealots.

>>149835611
To be fair it was the 60s, not exactly as easy to research shit then as it is now.
I doubt Stan had much time to go to the library and read up on spiders inbetween churning out monthly issues of Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and X-Men.

>>149835450
You would think comic book fags would have the minimum of reading comprehension.

>>149835450
i just took this as them basically saying it was the van der waals force which is why he can't stick to all surfaces, just most. also why Mayday can repel

>>149835642
>>149835734
Do you retards actually think spiders stick to walls like fucking suction cups? Come on

>>149835611
They didn't have to be hyper autistic about the van der Waals force back then and how mass of the animal with the hairs or pads on it has to not exceed its potential gravitational energy past the the force of the surface area covered by the pads/hairs exerting that van der Waals force.
Even then, they could just say the spider-bite imparted onto Peter a bunch of special hairs that have some special variant of the van der Waals force that takes advantage or more molecules passing from one side to another or whatever.
The formula for the web fluid as well as these forces are just for some nerd to explain some version of and then get a no-prize. Marvel back then knew how much to dive into the technical autism and then just say the 616 has some tech we could never make and that's why something is feasible.
>>149835527
I forgot to say in this post but I took a look at Annual 4. That's where the various presses are also said to influence the types. I also found the handbook explanation. Yeah the web forms electrostatically or whatever and then can shape itself through the shooter cutting it, or being exposed to the air where it then changes. That's why it can be a long thread for web swinging or it expands into a web shape that looks like a net.
Mechanical just explains all this better than organic and explains why Peter can control it much more. Would Peter have to learn the chemicals inside his body and then visualize the type of web he wants if he had organic web shooters? Dunno. But I guess that could work. Mechanical is just cooler from a tech autism standpoint and every kid would want a high-end silly string toy.

>>149835824
The way insects stick to shit is one of the biggest mysteries of arthropodology, trying to apply any kind of real world logic to Peter's wall climbing is foolish because we don't even really know how spiders in the real world do it, let alone an hypothetical Spider-Man.

>>149835895
Also I would like the spider-signal to appear more. I could also see the belt buckle acting as a dial for Spider-Man to tune to his different spider-tracer signals as well as acting as the signal light. That'd be cool.

>>149821694
>>149821721
Agreed. The idea that some dumb high-scool kid could invent, within one afternoon, a better glue than anything that exists in reality is less plausible than getting superpowers from a spider bite.

>>149835945
I wonder if they like haven't just killed a spider or gecko and then put their foot under an electron microscope or something. I assume so. Then I wonder what is the part that they can't explain?

I also like the web shooters as another indicator for Peter's progression kinda like Iron Man. New web shooters that get progressively more advanced is cool.
I also think Peter could take a cue from Ock and add to his costume some of those toe claws which he could then use to cut web strands with his feet while swinging around to create more complex traps or structures. So Peter uses that space between the claws or toes of his feet in order to cut webs faster or to shape more at a time.

>>149835895
>Yeah the web forms electrostatically or whatever

It's in liquid form due to being pressurized, and releasing it will force it into its actual composition, which then slowly breaks up due to exposure to air. Same concept as Polyurethane foam spray, except with a different reaction. To be honest, it's the part about Spideys powers with the least amount of bullshit science.

>>149821664 (OP)
it all boils down on how nerdy and resourceful you want your spidey to be. Mechanical makes him more knowledgeable on engineering and chemistry, overall making him rely on both his spider powers and intelligence to beat his overwhelming foes with chance to have a fun cool gadget here and there.
Organic fits Raimi Spidey perfectly because they never show just how knowledgeable and nerdy he is beyond helping doc contain the sun in the end of 2 or sound=bad for symbiote in 3

>>149836168
Ah ok. So he could press it however many times for each type. Then that type will have a set amount of pressure that will determine if the web is out long enough to expand into a shape or shoot out so fast it stays as a thread until it hits a building and then stays that shape.
I guess though that Peter having some other button to set the amount of air pressure on each shoot of the web would be handy though. But the cartridges have a set amount of air pressure within them as seen in >>149835895 so I don't really know how that would work.
My idea would be Peter would like the timing of when the web expands or contracts would be pretty good to fake out opponents or to land certain distances. But I don't know enough about pressurized mechanisms to know how that would work.
Peter needs web aimbot, kek.

>>149836020
>The idea that some dumb high-scool kid could invent, within one afternoon, a better glue than anything that exists in reality

Pete is Reed Richards level of bullshit scientist, and Reed managed to make a type of clothing that doesn't burn off or tear and can mimic any random assortment of superpowers.

It's actually not even that much bullshit, he just fucked around in a chemistry lab until he found something that worked. Shit ton of inventions were made that way throughout human history. Nobel invented dynamite by blowing himself up, WD40 was created by trying random formulas until one did something useful, etc.

>a better glue than anything that exists in reality
Spidey tried selling it as an invention and got laughed up by scientist because the webs are completely and utterly useless as a glue on account of not being permanent.

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical is way cooler because it doesn't make Spider-Man seem gross.

How did Peter pressurize his cartridges to get them to shoot out? Did he have some sort of air compressor at home?
Not sure how one makes the web cartridges that way and if there was some way back in 1962 to easily do that.

>>149836270
If the web hardens when depressurized, perhaps due to reaction with air, that means it is taking on weight which means it now has momentum which would allow it to shoot far further than on air pressure alone. I'm guessing.

The type of web he shoots depends on the nozzle. He either turns that manually or some button presses correspond to automatically using a select nozzle, I don't know, the pages you posted I read 30 years ago and I'm going off of my memory here.

>>149836409
Yeah no I got all that. That's been explained.
I meant if he had like a dial that managed how much air pressure there was, then he could shoot it however far he wants or delay the time it takes for a web to start opening into a net shape. That way, Spider-Man is less predictable.
But I don't know if you can do that if the cartridges are always having a set amount of pressure. Maybe Peter would need a hose or something.

>>149821664 (OP)
His body makes organic spider silk but he can only manually sick webs to walls by touching them until he invents and wears mechanical web shooters to eject the webs instead of just secreting them. Also would explain better how Peter controls the type of web that comes out if he can just control the spinnerets with his mind, and push the buttons on the web shooters to fire them out instead of limply secreting web.

>>149835196
I believe I explained quite clearly why mechanical's good. Am I talking to a bot?

>>149835611
Yes, and Amazing Fantasy 15 erroneously calls spiders "insects". And the villain Porcupine's power set was based on the misconception that porcupines can shoot out their needles. Not to mention the usage of asbestos in Human Torch comics and DDT in Ant-Man comics. And all sorts of other stuff that was factually wrong.
It can be annoying, but realistically, how were they supposed to know? Public libraries and bookshops were the only way you'd get reliable info on that back in the 60s, and not everyone had time for that in the middle of doing their jobs.

>>149829373
What the fuck didn't you understand from "spider-man, spider-man, does whatever a spider can."?

>>149821855
>Also if it came off the arms it would need to have weaving appendages to make it into a rope
Have it come out of the finger tips. He manually moves about to weave them while he shoots.

>>149836271
>Spidey tried selling it as an invention and got laughed up by scientist because the webs are completely and utterly useless as a glue on account of not being permanent.
Because the writers wanted it that way. IRL they'd love that shit. Especially since Pete can make it not dissolve in a short period of time. Quit taking this comic shit as gospel, my guy.

>>149837155
it's all fictional bro.

>>149836020
>>149836271
Marvel has a set list of "smartest characters" and Reed Richards is always at the top of the list with Dr Doom second.

That is until that one time they announced that the smartest character is actually a little black girl called "Moon Girl" because they are hack frauds who think clickbait drives sales.

>>149821821
They do a similar thing with Iron Man in the movies and comics. Writers love to drive home the fact that even without the suit Tony Stark is still hyper competent so you get stories where he has no suit and is still running around shooting bad guys like he's James Bond or something.

>>149836819
That's a fucking cartoon theme song you retarded casual

The age old argument of
>Here's how it adds to the character and adds additional story elements
vs
>The movie I watched as a kid had it this way so that's what it should be

What I'm getting from this thread is that hybrid theory remains undefeated as the best of both worlds.

There is only one spider man and that is Peter Parker and he has organic web shooters. So please stop your baiting.

>>149839549
What I'm getting is that anons don't know how to read and just fucking spam the thread with shitposts in order to make their side appear like it has more support. Who gives a fuck. This debate will never be settled.
Just fucking talk about fun shit instead.

>>149839670
Hybrid settles the debate

>>149839676
Hybrid is what you use to masturbate. Because you use toys which is organic and mechanical, because you're a bitch.
Now show tits or gtfo.

>>149829095
Yes. I wanna see smart characters do smart things. It's not the same if we're just told they're smart. Spidey coming up with the "two fingers but not four" mechanism for the web shooters makes him seem more like a real person solving a real engineering problem.

>>149831872
Commercializing your inventions is harder than doing the inventing. Lots of people in STEM end up inventing various things in college and never bringing anything to market. Why would you expect a broke teenager with no networking skills to just be able to invent his way into a successful business? He has no experience with manufacturing or product development, the only business connection he has is his best friend's psychotic father, and no time to pursue investors.
>inb4 just patent something and sell the patent
Patents are hardly worth the paper they're written on if you can't afford the lawyers to enforce them.

>>149821664 (OP)
Mechanical. I love when heroes improvise on their own abilities. Which is also why I love Wolverine's concept.

Mechanical is more flexible and convenient and also allows Peter to flex his genius on the regular. Someone like Kaine, who isn't as smart or resourceful as Peter, benefits from organic because he'd have a hard time building his own webshooters. Mechanical webshooters have a tremendous amount of possibility and potential. Organic webshooters can't really do a whole lot other than just the one thing. From a writing perspective, I think mechanical webshooters will nearly always beat organic ones.

I kinda liked the idea of Peter having Anti-Venom powers in the PS5 game and thought it could have interesting applications in regards to his abilities, especially his webs. So like, given how Peter didn't really spend THAT much time with the Symbiote, his Anti-Venom powers would naturally be less potent than those who've been with it longer like Brock or Flash. So he sort of min-maxes its applications.

He modifies his webshooters so that they can fire Anti-Venom goo as webs, and he can manipulate their properties as he needs to. However, he can also use special artificial web cartridges for certain trick webs, like electro-charged webs or whatnot. Also, ordinarily, the mechanical spider-legs that he's sometimes given across various media would normally probably require some degree of nanotech to utilize and maintain, something Peter normally wouldn't be able to afford. But Anti-Venom powers could greatly offset the costs of such equipment. Like only the minimum required amount of tech is actually stored in his suit, and the rest he creates using his Anti-Venom powers as needed.

Since his Anti-Venom powers wouldn't be as potent as what Eddie and Flash had, he can't use it to nearly the same degree, but with a clever mix of tech and ingenuity, he gets much more mileage out of it than he normally would, essentially using it to strengthen his webs and allow him to use tech he normally wouldn't be able to afford.