Thread 149972695

Should X-Men exist in a separate continuity/universe from the rest of Marvel? They have an entire ecosystem of characters and decades of established worldbuilding that exist independently from the rest of Marvel's greater world.

>>149972695 (OP)
Nope

Every series should have its own continuity outside of crossover events. Shared universes a shit.

>>149972695 (OP)
It's not the worst idea. I never understood the hate for mutants but not other superhumans in the marvel universe, then I learned it was sentient bacteria psyoping the human race or some dumb shit like that and lost interest.

>>149972695 (OP)
No.
It literally makes them work, and Claremont understood that. If there isn't Ms. Marvel and Spidey and Dr. Strange out there, the prejudice against mutants isn't irrational and hateful.

>>149972695 (OP)
this question has been brought up multiple times and every single person who thinks x-men should be separate is an idiot with bad taste who values status quo more than anything else.

imagine blaming fictional characters for the inaction of writers and executives who can't think of decent stories to tell

>>149972695 (OP)
I can still see other marvel heroes like Iron man, Hawkeye or Black window existing in that world.

>>149972695 (OP)
Modern X-Men writers being too retarded to work within the shared world doesn't make the shared world bad

>>149973005
this

>>149972712
spbp

>>149972695 (OP)
Yes. Mutants also shouldn't exist in 616 at all.

>>149972695 (OP)
With how X-men writers been writing the X-men and mutants in general, they basically already exist in a separate universe despite being in 616. The presentation between a non-X-men book and X-men book differs significantly. Same could also be said about Ghost Rider books.

>>149972919
>imagine blaming fictional characters for the inaction of writers and executives who can't think of decent stories to tell
This cope is a regular thing with a certain wing of Spider-Man readers who are convinced that Peter and MJ not being together is some natural occurrence and not the machinations of borderline psychotic editors and writers willing to die on the hill of "Spider-Man can't be an adult because he won't be relatable" when it's clear they're just fucking manbaby hacks.

>>149972695 (OP)
Originally, no. After twenty or more years of X-Men comics blaming and shaming other heroes for not being there to protect the mutants from the villain of the week, or even using other heroes as the establishment's heavies sent to prevent an X-Men chimpout, just keep them separated so this crap can never happen again. From the early 2000s onwards, virtually everyone who writes X-Men seems to want to write X-Men as a saga about gorillions of mutants emerging all over the world, and refuse to stop trying to wreck the "world outside your window" concept that Marvel was built on. If that's what they want, that's absolutely something that should be kept separate from the rest of Marvel.

And the "shared universe" should only ever have worked in terms of "these characters are in the same world, sometimes they meet and team up or fight". The writer of one book shouldn't be allowed to do anything negative with guest stars from other books, and shouldn't be allowed to impose any changes on characters from other books either.

Just make the X-men all-out villains.

>>149972712
>Every series should have its own continuity outside of crossover events. Shared universes a shit.

>>149972844
The X-men shouldn't be able to use the rest of the Marvel heroes as narrative crutches/strawmen without the opposite being true as well, but the X-Office is too stingy/protective of their characters to allow others to write them.