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Anonymous No.150207591 [Report] >>150207679 >>150207695 >>150207712 >>150207974 >>150208222 >>150208302 >>150208442 >>150208466 >>150208472 >>150208691 >>150210632 >>150210712 >>150211030 >>150213597 >>150213852 >>150221398 >>150223139 >>150228728 >>150229574 >>150230055 >>150230078 >>150232445 >>150234795
What’s more likely: Marvel dropping Gaiman’s Miracleman or getting someone else to finish it?
Anonymous No.150207679 [Report] >>150208391
>>150207591 (OP)
Dropping it. Marvel didn't even seem that interested in it before Gaiman got outed.
Anonymous No.150207695 [Report] >>150211002
>>150207591 (OP)
I've been saying everything past Moore's run was dogshit for years but I suspect this is probably due to some political thing
Anonymous No.150207702 [Report] >>150207715 >>150208079 >>150208453 >>150210817 >>150214267 >>150218063 >>150230937 >>150232507 >>150232565
I love Gaiman’s writing but fuck him, he got on the #metoo train while simultaneously raping lesbian maids
Anonymous No.150207712 [Report]
>>150207591 (OP)
He deserves everything that's happening to him.
Anonymous No.150207715 [Report] >>150207825 >>150207937 >>150211757 >>150230937
>>150207702
He didn't even rape them that's the funny thing, They did kinky shit with him willingly and then felt weird about it afterwards so they revoked consent from him which I guess is allowed when you're a woman now

There's a reason he wasn't put in jail.
Anonymous No.150207825 [Report] >>150208079 >>150208477 >>150214448
>>150207715
If we believe what the lesbian maid said, basically his wife (who the lesbian had a crush hired her because she was desperately poor and had no skills and conveniently, Neil needed a stay at home BDSM slave. I would have no problem with it if Neil hadn’t said “believe all women no matter le what!!”
The fuck did he expect?
Anonymous No.150207937 [Report] >>150207981 >>150211929
>>150207715
Did he deny that he was doing all that fucked up shit in front of his kid?
Anonymous No.150207974 [Report]
>>150207591 (OP)
most of what he did was fucking years ago
Anonymous No.150207981 [Report]
>>150207937
he probably wasnt even aware of that rumour or some twitter claim by a teen girl he hugged in 2007
Anonymous No.150208079 [Report]
>>150207825
>>150207702
It reads like a porn movie. I love it.
Anonymous No.150208222 [Report] >>150211960
>>150207591 (OP)
>Oh no, it turns out this person i thought was nice, wasn't. Welp, now everything he did sucks
Anonymous No.150208302 [Report] >>150208317 >>150208445 >>150208587 >>150209592 >>150210830 >>150233920
>>150207591 (OP)
Isn't the original Mick Anglo's version of Marvelman and its run in the Public Domain?
If so, people could somewhat reuse the character, but maybe write it in a way that's more faithful to its original run.
Honestly, I could see Rebellion (2000ad) do exactly that. Plus, they've done a good job republishing old non-2000ad related British comics recently, some of which I believe they have fallen into the PD years ago. Robot Archie, The Spider, The Leopard from Lime Street.
Anonymous No.150208317 [Report] >>150208445
>>150208302
>The Spider
His first 12 magazines are in the pill domain
Anonymous No.150208391 [Report] >>150210646
>>150207679
Marvel did tried to introduce Miracleman to the main Marvel universe but Gaiman took a damn long time to finish the silver age.
Anonymous No.150208442 [Report]
>>150207591 (OP)
At least post a link you faggot
Anonymous No.150208445 [Report]
>>150208317
That's the pulp version, >>150208302 is talking about the UK comic version, a different character
Anonymous No.150208453 [Report]
>>150207702
The man was living the dream
Anonymous No.150208466 [Report]
>>150207591 (OP)
>(((Avi Green)))

In all seriousness though, it was always shit.
Anonymous No.150208472 [Report]
>>150207591 (OP)
they should get Todd McFarlane to finish it
Anonymous No.150208477 [Report] >>150211429 >>150218352
>>150207825
>Neil needed a stay at home BDSM slave
Why?
Anonymous No.150208587 [Report]
>>150208302
It isn't. Which is how Marvel cut through the bullshit and bought the franchise outright from Anglo to solve the long-standing cluster fuck
Anonymous No.150208691 [Report]
>>150207591 (OP)
Why Marvel doesn't just use Marvelman instead of Miracleman if they want to integrate him in main Marvel? And even if they want to use Miracleman then why not just ignore Gaiman's arc?
Anonymous No.150209582 [Report]
bump
Anonymous No.150209592 [Report] >>150210790
>>150208302
>but maybe write it in a way that's more faithful to its original run.
What retard would want that
Anonymous No.150210632 [Report] >>150213594
>>150207591 (OP)
How is it that hard, yo?
Anonymous No.150210646 [Report]
>>150208391
Gaiman's autism was the only thing commanding them to obey a linear timeline before introducing him
With Gaiman gone they can introduce him at any point from his own time, or even create a standalone Ultimate version to help further distance him from Neil
Anonymous No.150210679 [Report]
>Now
It was always hype holding out for a conclusion that seemed like it was never going to happen.
Anonymous No.150210712 [Report] >>150210756 >>150218232
>>150207591 (OP)
They should've dropped it regardless. It's a shit continuation.
Anonymous No.150210756 [Report]
>>150210712
They did as far as I know.
Anonymous No.150210790 [Report] >>150211903 >>150212512
>>150209592
People that like Fawcett's Captain Marvel comics?
If DC is not willing to deliver that, maybe someone could do so by using Marvelman as a placeholder instead.
Moore's Miracleman has its merrits, it was the first of its kind, it paved the way for books like Watchmen, Zenith, The One, etc, has fantastic art, but the edgy "Dude, what if powerful superheroes existed in the real world and they're just as flawed as us puny humans?" routine has been tired out.
Revisiting the pre-reimagined version of the Marvelman Family could be an interesting move imo.
Anonymous No.150210817 [Report]
>>150207702
Wow it's almost like anyone supporting #metoo was either an abuser or some whore that saw an opportunity to grift people.
Anonymous No.150210830 [Report] >>150230352
>>150208302
Rebellion owns all those old British comics, those aren't in the public domain, it is why those Picture Library comics show up in Atomfall.
Other Mick Anglo characters are in the public Domain, one of which Moore used in the last LoEG book.
Anonymous No.150211002 [Report]
>>150207695
>I've been saying everything past Moore's run was dogshit for years
At least they made the POC climb the outside of an impossible skyscraper before they granted her access to generative AI.
Anonymous No.150211030 [Report] >>150211049 >>150211720 >>150211859
>>150207591 (OP)
They'll get someone else to write another version of Dark Age and then his eventual arrival into the 616
Anonymous No.150211049 [Report]
>>150211030
Didn't they publicly say they are just dropping that storyline entirely?
Anonymous No.150211429 [Report]
>>150208477
He had to show his son how to have sex
Anonymous No.150211720 [Report] >>150226335
>>150211030
Did Miracleman actually affected the Marvel universe?
Anonymous No.150211757 [Report] >>150211929
>>150207715
Dude had sex in front of their kid.
You can try to die on his hill but you won't win.
Anonymous No.150211840 [Report]
Did Miracleman even actually showed up in the Marvel Universe ?
Anonymous No.150211859 [Report] >>150214955 >>150216485
>>150211030
It could probably get back Morrison if they tried.
Anonymous No.150211903 [Report]
>>150210790
>People that like Fawcett's Captain Marvel comics?
So like 1% of the comic market that probably wouldn't even buy it anyways.
Anonymous No.150211929 [Report] >>150211963 >>150212070
>>150207937
>>150211757
That's based though
Anonymous No.150211960 [Report]
>>150208222
Yes, that's how mob mentality works
Anonymous No.150211963 [Report] >>150212070 >>150231049
>>150211929
I wish MY dad fucked some random chick in the kitchen counter while I was having my breakfast...
Anonymous No.150212070 [Report]
>>150211929
>>150211963
Are you Liv Schreiber kid?
Anonymous No.150212129 [Report] >>150213626 >>150223234
Marvel needs to do the right thing and give Angela back to Todd
Anonymous No.150212512 [Report]
>>150210790
>Revisiting the pre-reimagined version of the Marvelman Family could be an interesting move imo.
I disagree. I think that's tired out too.
Anonymous No.150213594 [Report]
>>150210632
Well you read it of course
Anonymous No.150213597 [Report] >>150231993
>>150207591 (OP)
If Warren Ellis can't get back into the industry then there's no hope of Gaiman finishing things ergo Marvel will just drop it.

Todd won btw.
Anonymous No.150213626 [Report]
>>150212129
This
Anonymous No.150213852 [Report] >>150223274
>>150207591 (OP)
this allows the opportunity for kino to shine
Anonymous No.150214267 [Report]
>>150207702
He really thought he was never fonna be accused
Anonymous No.150214448 [Report]
>>150207825
>The fuck did he expect?
As is often the case these kinds of people are often the most performatively virtuous ones so they can use it as a smokescreen for the skeletons in their own closet.
Anonymous No.150214460 [Report] >>150214496 >>150214546 >>150217473 >>150223325 >>150229992
What would the MU heroes think of this?
Anonymous No.150214496 [Report]
>>150214460
The X-Men would approve
Anonymous No.150214546 [Report]
>>150214460
The queer brigade would tell you that love is love and you are a chud
Anonymous No.150214955 [Report]
>>150211859
I don't think Morrison would be interested
Anonymous No.150216485 [Report] >>150227194
>>150211859
Did Morrison contribute an issue and it sucked?
I think he used up his good ideas on Zenith, Seaguy, etc.
Anonymous No.150217473 [Report]
>>150214460
Gay.
Anonymous No.150218063 [Report] >>150218171
>>150207702
A smart man with his bank account would have browsed OnlyHos and hired an escort for their pee-pee friction pleasure time.
Anonymous No.150218171 [Report] >>150225509
>>150218063
his thing was having power over women. girls who worked for him, or lived on one of his properties. just paying them doesn't yield that
Anonymous No.150218232 [Report] >>150223353
>>150210712
Silver Age’s ending sucked so bad.
i refuse to believe Gaiman had this planned for over a decade
Anonymous No.150218352 [Report]
>>150208477
My stay at home BDSM slave is the most important thing in my life, desu

Good thing I'm not a jew, though, or else it would be rapey
Anonymous No.150218367 [Report]
Moore's run had a nice conclusion and there was no need for any continuation. The only thing I liked from Gaiman's run were the anthology bits but I still wanted to see the conclusion of the Dark Age because a part of me is still invested in Miracleman due to all the drama surrounding it.
Anonymous No.150219877 [Report]
The first one.
Anonymous No.150221398 [Report]
>>150207591 (OP)
Heh, gay man's miracle man. I bet he does want a miracle man. Faggot.
Anonymous No.150223139 [Report]
>>150207591 (OP)
miracleman wasn't the ever green series that Marvel thought it would be when they got control of the character after decades in limbo
the original fans have either read it or moved on and new fans don't really care.
Marvel thought they had their "Watchmen" where they could just reprint the series forever
The Neil stuff was fine but it didn't seem to be going anywhere interesting
Anonymous No.150223234 [Report]
>>150212129
>todd macfarlane agrees to draw a 3 issue story arc for miracle man to wrap up the series if he gets Angela back
>only the first issue is ever released anyways
Anonymous No.150223274 [Report]
>>150213852
Wish Veitch wouldn't use shitty print on demand. The new Maximortal books are fine but the reproduction quality sucks
Anonymous No.150223325 [Report]
>>150214460
Reading the book I was thinking that Young Miracleman was going to be a girl. Like the superbody version is male but if he transforms into his original human body he would be a girl
would have been hot
Anonymous No.150223353 [Report] >>150224925 >>150230652
>>150218232
I liked the art but the story was a bit long winded for it just to end with YM sitting under a tree and mediating (or whatever happened...i barely remember)
Anonymous No.150224925 [Report]
>>150223353
yeah the art was cool
Anonymous No.150225509 [Report] >>150227101
>>150218171
Figures. Fucking useless sickos, man.
Anonymous No.150226096 [Report]
bump
Anonymous No.150226335 [Report] >>150226663
>>150211720
They wrote timeless to tease the Miracleman introduction event, then the internet cancelled Gaiman without a day in court.
So who the fuck knows what they're going to do with Micracleman now. It's a fucking cursed IP.
Anonymous No.150226663 [Report]
>>150226335
Just ignore the silver age, treat it as some stasis memory where Miracleman was trapped and part from the golden age.
Anonymous No.150227090 [Report] >>150227142 >>150232683
Marvel legally has to let Neil write the Dark Ages before they let anyone else touch the character per their deal with him and Neil used Miracleman #0 to shit on the scripts Marvel put in the one off.

If anything, Marvel might just say "fuck it" and throw out the Moore/Gaiman Miracleman and revert the franchise back to the silly Mick Angelo version and use Mojo to irrevocably decanonize the Moore/Millar runs and even have someone like Carol Danvers or Cyclops kill the Moore adult Kid Miracleman to hammer home that we aren't going to see this version of Johnny Bates ever again.
Anonymous No.150227101 [Report]
>>150225509
That's based though
Anonymous No.150227142 [Report] >>150227243 >>150227296
>>150227090
Why Mojo?
Anonymous No.150227194 [Report] >>150227545 >>150229426
>>150216485
Morrison wrote a try out story and gave it to Eclipse around the time that Olympus was running with huge delays between issues after learning that Moore was quitting after the arc wrapped. Moore threatened to kill Morrison as he didn't and still doesn't like him and Eclipse never bought the story or had it drawn and shunned Grant as a pick to replace Moore

Decades later, Quesada bought the story (which had garnered a good amount of hype) from Morrison on the condition Grant gave that Quesada had to draw it himself, since by this point Grant was embarrassed by it. Neil gave approval to Marvel to publish it (as he has full control over the character's usage) and it was published as part of a Miracleman Annual alongside a Milligan/Allred Miracleman story set in the dream world that got published in-between the reprints of #14 and #15
Anonymous No.150227200 [Report]
Don't think too many people read it in the first place
Anonymous No.150227243 [Report]
>>150227142
Mojo is the default Marvel evil media villain and quite frankly the only character who could believably spin the decanonization of the Moore/Gaiman Miracleman runs while at the same time do so while breaking the forth wall about it and how it was being done purely because "grim dark Miracleman" doesn't sell and the in universe reason while Marvel is only going to use the kid friendly G-Rated version going forward.
Anonymous No.150227296 [Report]
>>150227142
Because the amount of ass pulling needed to revert the character back to his silly as fuck 50s roots while salting the earth to keep edgy fucks from reverting it would require someone like Mojo. With Kang or Mephisto or Moira, you'll have fans looking for loopholes but with Mojo you basically can pull the old "a wizard did it" and fanboys will believe it because it's fucking Mojo
Anonymous No.150227545 [Report]
>>150227194
>around the time that Olympus was running
I think Morrison had already shit-talked Moore a lot by that point.
Anonymous No.150228728 [Report]
>>150207591 (OP)
Deserved for trying to shame people for not liking sheboon Death.
Anonymous No.150229426 [Report] >>150230355
>>150227194
>Morrison wrote a try out story and gave it to Eclipse around the time that Olympus was running

It was much earlier than this - it was while Marvelman was running in Warrior, but publication of the strip had stopped as the relationship between Moore and Dez Skinn had broken down (a secondary reason was Marvel had threatened legal action over the name Marvelman). Morrison sent in the script unsolicited, in the hope that it might get him some work at Warrior (which I think it did). He was pretty much an unknown at the time.

Skinn's decision to share the script with Alan is surprising, given that their relationship was so poor by that time. Skinn has said that he wanted Moore's okay to use it as a fill-in script. Instead Moore seems to have interpreted it as a veiled threat to replace him as writer on the series - which is possibly what Skinn intended - and he sent a message to Grant telling him to back off.

>Neil gave approval to Marvel to publish it (as he has full control over the character's usage)

He doesn't. Marvel fully owns Marvel/Miracleman after their purchase of Mick Anglo's rights. But Marvel had spent years hoping that they could get Gaiman to conclude his Miracleman run so I'm sure they woud've ran it past him first, if just to make sure that it didn't contradict anything he was planning.
Anonymous No.150229574 [Report]
>>150207591 (OP)
>What’s more likely: Marvel dropping Gaiman’s Miracleman or getting someone else to finish it?

If Marvel wanted to finish it I'm sure they could - after Marvel purchased the Miracleman rights back in 2009, Gaiman talked Marvel editorial through his plans for the remainder of his run. So they've known the broad outline of the story for a long time. And Mark Buckingham has said that Neil gave him a detailed breakdown of all the remaining issues of the Silver Age and the Dark Age before he resumed work on the series. He's been credited as a co-writer since the series returned suggesting that he's not working from a script and had a lot more creative input. Supposedly he'd already drawn several issues of the Dark Age before the allegations about Gaiman were first published last year. Getting Buckingham to finish the series by himself would be the neatest solution - if he was willing, which he may not be.

The problem for Marvel is that even if they did something like this, there's no way for them to publish the series without a lot of press coverage bringing up their connection with Gaiman, which I'm sure they don't want. The smartest thing for them to do is to leave the series alone for the time being, see how the legal hearings around Gaiman eventually get resolved, and then consider finishing the story (with or without Gaiman) at some point in the future. At this point what's another decade or two of delays?
Anonymous No.150229992 [Report]
>>150214460
holy brian michael bendis the writer!
So now is someone says you are gay, you convert in gay in comicbooks ipso facto?
Anonymous No.150230055 [Report] >>150230299 >>150232705
>>150207591 (OP)
If Marvel just said "fuck it" and let Gaiman finish "Dark age" story arc would anyone , outside of X, really give a shit?
Like would it impact sales one bit?
Anonymous No.150230078 [Report] >>150232892
>>150207591 (OP)
This is peak snowflake behavior.
If I, as a black man, can read all sorts of shit by known racists, they can suck it up and read kino written by a sex offender.
Anonymous No.150230299 [Report] >>150230884
>>150230055
Yes if you factor the controversy
Anonymous No.150230352 [Report]
>>150210830
I did some checking online, it seems that Captain Universe is actually still owned by Anglo's family estate, but they gave Moore the permission to use the character for LoEG.
I believe the other members of the the Seven Stars are all in the PD though.
Anonymous No.150230355 [Report]
>>150229426
>Marvel had spent years hoping that they could get Gaiman to conclude his Miracleman run only for Gaiman to be outed as a sex pest
Anonymous No.150230652 [Report]
>>150223353
I didn't like the implication of YM becoming a villain through and through, being attempted by KM and building his own cult.
Would be interesting if the Dark Age was more about Miracleman's reign becoming even more decadent and less in tune with reality, while both normal and super-powered humans get fed up with his bullshit. KM "saves the day". Miracleman gets his powers stripped away for a period of time as his sentence, becoming regular old Michael Moran again, in hopes of snapping him back to reality. YM later decides to balance out the powers of the world. Something between how things used to be before Miracleman's meddling, and during the heydays of his regime. Basically, the world becomes more like what you'd expect from an established comicbook universe, where you have metahumans and cosmic beings sharing reality with more grounded notions similar to our regular life. Finally, he refuses to take any political power whatsoever, but keeps serving humanity when needed, much like an old-fashioned superhero.
It would kinda add up, considering that YM is still a somewhat younger, less jaded character, who's more skeptic towards MM's new status quo, and somewhat more willing to trust in humanity and bring things back to what he perceives to be normal - which let's not forget most of his perception reflects his living experiences inside Gargunza's simulation. At the end of the day, he'll essencially turn that simulation into reality.
Anonymous No.150230884 [Report] >>150232410
>>150230299
You think it would sell better ?
Anonymous No.150230937 [Report]
>>150207715
>>150207702
He deserves all this just for marrying Amanda Palmer, a woman so obnpxious all sides of the spectrum can hate on her
Anonymous No.150231049 [Report]
>>150211963
I think YOUR dad should have beaten you more.
Anonymous No.150231993 [Report]
>>150213597
Based Toddfather
Anonymous No.150232410 [Report]
>>150230884
A bit not a lot
Anonymous No.150232445 [Report] >>150232979
>>150207591 (OP)
just give hackman all of cates future marvel projects
Anonymous No.150232507 [Report]
>>150207702
He thought if he rode with the beast it would spare him. Turns out he just got mauled during its death throes after The Hero avatar slew it.
Anonymous No.150232565 [Report]
>>150207702
you mean #metoo the movement which proved their critics right when they literally did everything they demanded those they accuse weren't allowed to do such as demand proof, deny the accusations, and attack and smear the victim when asia argento was accused of grooming a thirteen year old boy for sex for five years before having sex with him at 17? the movement that began to crack because they were hypcrites instead of believing the victim no matter how flimsy or imaginary the story was a motto that was their mantra when it was a woman making the accusations? that #metoo. the movement that crashed and burned when it came out that asia argento was laughing to someone about it being true and that the movmeent would destroy her victim who was telling the truth and this person recorded it and released it because she was utterly horrified by this woman admitting she groomed and raped a teenage boy and laughing about how she was manipulating a group for victims into defending her an abuser.
Anonymous No.150232683 [Report] >>150233179
>>150227090
>Marvel legally has to let Neil write the Dark Ages before they let anyone else touch the character per their deal with him
Is this an actual deal or a handshake deal? Because most of these things end up handshake deals, I have a hard time believing marvel would spend a bunch of money on a character in order to lock it up to a single writer that way.
Anonymous No.150232705 [Report] >>150233013
>>150230055
>Like would it impact sales one bit?
Yes, because the majority of Gaiman's audience are women obsessed with social media and #metoo supporters.
Anonymous No.150232892 [Report]
>>150230078
Based black man
Anonymous No.150232979 [Report]
>>150232445
You mean Gaima future's projects?
Anonymous No.150233013 [Report]
>>150232705
True but they probably didn’t buy miracle man anyways
Anonymous No.150233179 [Report] >>150233928
>>150232683
>Is this an actual deal or a handshake deal?

Marvel own Miracleman now - they have no legal obligation to 'let' Gaiman do anything. But part of the reason they bought the Miracleman rights was because they wanted Gaiman to finish his story. So I'm sure they've given him some sort of undertaking that he'll be allowed to finish his story before they start using the character in ways that would undermine it.

Of course whether Marvel still want Gaiman to finish his story remains to be seen. They've spent a lot of money on Miracleman so far - in securing the rights and in sorting out the legal quagmire. They'll be wanting to make that money back at some point. If they wait for Gaiman to become non-toxic they'll probably have to wait a long time for that investment to pay off.
Anonymous No.150233920 [Report] >>150233954 >>150234247
>>150208302
Actually, the character Marvelman is based is public domain.
https://comicbookplus.com/?cid=820
https://pdsh.fandom.com/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Fawcett)
https://pdsh.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Fawcett_Characters
Anonymous No.150233928 [Report] >>150234617
>>150233179
It's gonna be years for Gaiman to be welcomed again and that a big if
Anonymous No.150233954 [Report] >>150234247
>>150233920
It would be funny if Marvel decides to use the public domain version of Captain Marvel. It would be a huge jab at DC.
Anonymous No.150234247 [Report]
>>150233920
>>150233954
https://www.firstcomicsnews.com/bill-williams-talks-about-mary-miracle
Anonymous No.150234617 [Report]
>>150233928

I think a lot will depend on how the multiple legal actions that Gaiman is involved in pan out, and whether any other actions are brought against him (or by him). The case brought by his son's nanny isn't due to go to trial until next Summer - so yeah, he's not going to be welcomed back any time soon.
Anonymous No.150234795 [Report] >>150236211
>>150207591 (OP)
are people that parasocial & politically brainrotted now that they have an inability to separate the art from the artist?

from small creators to big corporations, people who make stuff aren't your friends and never were.
Anonymous No.150236211 [Report]
>>150234795
Sadly this