Thread 150315205

>Gunn sucked off and enabled Zaslav to get his Superman movie made
>next movie has Superman teaming up with the evil billionaire
What did James Gunn mean by this?

>>150315205 (OP)
Why do DC projects always end up having Lex take over as MC? The DCAU ended up making lex the main character by the end of it too

>>150315205 (OP)
who are they gonna fight? darkseid? agAIN?

>>150315326
Because when written well he's the most kino.

Gunn's Lex is written like a child so it'll take a lot of character growth for Gunn to pull this off.

>>150315376

I think it's been set up great for Lex. The movie sets him up at his absolute worst, just petty and evil in a cartoonish way, but then it also drops him to the lowest point of his life, having lost absolutely everything. That's like the perfect starting point for a character arc.

>>150315326
Besides being upset at Supes for foiling his various plans, one common aspect of Lex is an inferiority complex to Supes. It makes sense that at some point he realizes he can't kill Supes and the best thing to do is become a better hero and overshadow Supes. Whether he stays a hero or slides back to villainy is another story.

President Luthor plot happening soon then

>>150315353
Probably Brainiac when it finds out Kal-El didn't take over the earth

>>150315863
Good. That's an outdated storyline.

>>150315326
Because Lex is a better character.

>>150315863
I think the idea of a self-obsessed, evil billionaire becoming president is too silly a concept for movie goers.

>>150315205 (OP)
He can't use Batman, that's the only reason.

>>150315205 (OP)
You don't get it. This "much, much bigger threat" IS Zaslav.

wasn't he perfectly fine with his dog mauling him to death last movie

>>150315353
Storyboards make it obvious that it's Brainiac.

>>150315205 (OP)
Are you retarded?

>>150315353
>agAIN
what do you mean again? he's never been the villain of a live action movie

>>150318896
He was supposed to be the Thanos equivalent of the DCEU but that fell through

>>150318987
So he's never been the villain of a live action movie

>>150315205 (OP)
Capeshit is dead who cares?

Who's an underused Superman villain they could use for this

What the fuck is Gunn planning on doing when Supergirl flops like literally every foidcentric superhero movie?

>>150315205 (OP)
fast tracking to live action Superboy

>>150315353
A lot of people assumed that the Jor-El and Lara video was doctored due to that weird glitch in the video were some already theorized that was supposed to hint at Brainiac.

Injustice 2 also used Brainiac as a "greater threat" excuse to force Insurgency Batman and Regime Superman to team up again despite hating each others' guts since the entire Earth/Human existence was at stake.

>>150315476
Good point, but as with all ideas it ultimately comes down to the execution.

And with films the directing and writing are just as crucial as the acting to pull it off decently.

Brainiac curse means this movie is never coming out

>>150320653
Retard

>>150315376
Lex was not written any better in JL/JLU than anyone else who was treated as an MC by the end. Wally was a joke at the start but by the second and third season he got as many episodes to shine as anyone else, including some crucial moments, such as the 'no one could anticipate you,' "got me again, Flash' and the 'I could never go that fast again' ones. The only characters that were consistently under-served were Superman and to a lesser extent Diana and Shayera - yes, they got some BAMF moments, but they also served as window dressing for the Batgod and for John Stewart. And some characters never got anything (e.g. Martian Manhunter).

>>150315326
They don't. Smallville didn't. Lois and Clark didn't - in fact they got rid of him completely after the second season. He was in the Superboy syndicated series but barely lasted in a few episodes into the second season and wasn't that much of a focal point in the first. He didn't show up on Supergirl or Superman & Lois until nearly the end of each series, and is barely there in MAWS, etc. etc.

>>150315205 (OP)
this simply means you don't read Superman comics you fucking hack

>>150318860
what storyboards?

>>150315205 (OP)
You know he's going to try to betray Superman, right?

>>150315326
Lex is better suited for being the main character due to his emotional immaturity. KM Weiland's books on writing (arguably the only worthwhile ones you should read) cover this in more detail, but all character arcs fall under three categories.

>Flat Character Arcs: this is usually reserved for the Classic Hero of the story (think old hero pulps, the story of Jesus, or classic Silver/Golden Age comics) who undergoes minimal character development. A Flat Character is emotionally mature and self-actualized. Think Captain America, Optimus Prime, etc.
>Negative Change Arcs: Think of literature like Dorian Gray, Faust, American Psycho, etc - the main character either starts off as emotionally immature and gets worse through egocentric selfishness (Fall Arc), having their ideology and perspective warped and turned against them (Corruption Arc), or survives the conflict but becomes broken/damaged (Disillusionment),
>Positive Change Arcs: for hero pulps and old capeshit, this was reserved for the supporting cast or sidekick/audience surrogate - this character is emotionally immature and holds a false belief (Lie) about the world/others/themselves that aligns with what they Want, and has to discover what they Need (which aligns with the Truth).

Superman can't be the main character for a long-term narrative because he's only suited for short-term narratives that have him develop minimally, true to his Flat Arc nature. He shines best in these one-offs and standalone stories.

Superman is a good Hero because he's akin to Jesus, Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers, Tarzan, Doc Savage (and many other characters that inspired him) in the sense that he acts as the most positively human, the purest man in the room. He may not be perfect (he can falter and fuck up), but even in his vulnerablities, his maturity exceeds that of everyone else. If you make Superman into the main character of a traditional narrative (instead of Lois/Lex/Jimmy), you risk losing what makes him beautiful.

My guess is that by the end of the movie, Luthor gets the credit for taking down the villain of the movie, gaining the epithet "Man of Tomorrow" instead of Superman. He uses this momentum to run for President.
In the next movie, Lex uses his political power and influence to take out Lord Tech and abolish The Justice Gang. He then proceeds to build his own team of metahumans to do a bunch of dirty work for him and uses his Presidential power to cover up any misdeeds done by the team.
The name and the title of the movie being one and the same: The Authority.

This is just going to be a retelling of the recent arc where they team up and fight Brainiac except Lex will turn on him at the end instead of getting brain drained

>>150320725
You could do Brainiac, he hasn't been done on the big screen before.
You could also do Mongul and War World.
You could do Hank Henshaw/Cyborg Superman in a single film, I think, but that's probably be too complicated/too tied to death and return.
There's Imperex, who I'm not too familiar with, but I think that could work, and the Justice League is gonna be in the movie.
You could also do the Mageddon run from JLA but more superman focused (A shaggy man general Eiling would be tight.)
I also think that there is a way to do Morgan Edge and Intergang but they'd have to do it in a way that Darkseid isn't the secret end boss because I don't think the new gods will ever work outside of Kirby's stuff.

What i'd like is Metallo as the first half of the movie villain, brainiac as actual villain
(John Corben as a criminal who gets caught by superman in the opening scene, gets upgraded by a mysterious benefactor, benefactor turns out to be Brainiac.)

>>150315376
>>150315476
gunn's lex isnt written like a child, he's written like a guy who's so self-assured that he doesnt comprehend how capital-E evil he is. this is both a good and bad thing because on the one hand he's a generic saturday morning villain and on the other hand gunn's immediately launched him into a narrative place where, given real world events and regardless of where you stand on them, he's too crass to really want to cheer for. imagine if doc ock personally orchestrated 9/11 so that he could get long island in the aftermath. if the boravia/jarhanpur conflict was dropped from the movie gunn's lex would be a pretty standard if bland depiction of lex but no he just had to put his hibernian fucking stink on it. i hate james gunn so fucking much, he is one of the most boring fucking writers on the planet and creature commandos was a fucking was of both nina and gogol bordello. fucking butchered nearly every needle drop

anyway man of tomorrow is going to suck mostly because gunn will try making the homoerotic undertones into overtones by having lex call supes a fag in a cape or some other toothless attempt at subversiveness

>>150315326
Because Lex Luthor is a based, bald chad who gets all the girls and a better character than Superdork

>>150315326
Canonizing JJ Abrams' Flyby Lex

>>150315205 (OP)
>Gets demoted to just being the Superman guy
thank God, may his Batman never come out
I cant see Bats needing to whistle for Ace to drag him into the batmobile or crying about his feelings in front of Joker also Batfamily garbage with Damien

>>150315326
Because Lex is obviously a more interesting character than supershart

>>150323169
>may his Batman never come out
He's not working on a Batman movie

>>150318351
No? He kept trying to tell Krypto to get off of Lex but he wasn't listening

>>150315205 (OP)
>Gunn sucked off and enabled Zaslav to get his Superman movie made
Source? Just sounds like cope because you're mad the movie did well

>>150323169
Well good thing nothing you described was in the Superman movie otherwise you just sound like a crybaby faggot!

>>150323169
Whoever writes like this has the emotional maturity of a soiboi

>>150324723
Yeah it's funny that all the faggots that just lie about Superman crying the whole movie are just emotionally retarded and overreact to everything
Is this what happens if you've been here too long?

No fucking way. This version of Lex is a completely irredeemable monster. He's worse than the Joker.

>>150322358
this would be cool except an Authority film has already been in the works since the DCU officially began and it likely isn't a planned threequel to Superman when the sequel was only recently greenlit

That bit where Lex gets ultimate power but he has to be nice to superman in exchange and can´t hold it for even one minute would fit in with the character as played by Nick Hoult, I can see the scene in my head

>>150324899
Gunn recently said development on The Authority has been put on hold. I can see him changing stuff.

>>150323139
>Gunn is bad because he just is reeeeee

>>150315205 (OP)
Cool. It'll be Brainiac bottling Metropolis

>>150323169
I hate to disappoint you sister, but they are working on the third pass of a script with Bruice Wayne as the father of the Demon Spawn - they don't spend that kind of money on movies they aren't planning to make....