Thread 150762819

Tony has carried the MCU for a decade, yet in the comics, he's repeating the same cycle. His technology gets stolen, he loses his company, he's broke, or he's completely vilified. Is Marvel ever going to give him the same treatment his live action counterpart had?

>>150762819 (OP)
A lot of these characters only have one or a few stories in them.

white billionaire with a penchant for womanizing
did you seriously expect him to survive current year

>>150762840
That's the excuse Marvel employees keep making, to hide the fact that Marvel has had bad direction for some time

>>150762840
C'mon man, It's Iron Man. He has a few more stories in him before retiring.

>>150762819 (OP)
Marvel has not really cared much for the character or did a whole lot with him since the late 90s when they did that young Tony thing. Even leading up to that his main characteristic turned into
>Constantly pisses off all his friends
in his solo book and in West Coast Avengers/Force Works. It was just tony does a stupid, alienates himself from his team, then has to rescue them at the end of the story. They repeated that shit from 92 until about 98.

>>150762819 (OP)
>RDJ has carried the MCU for a decade
ftfy

>>150762819 (OP)
>why is there conflict in my story

>>150762819 (OP)
Because he is trash. When is the last time Tony had a decent story that didn't involve the tropes you listed?

>>150762975
It's the same conflict over, and over again. It's lazy writing. They don't even make Tony's villains the cause of his downfall.

>>150762857
>>150762920
He's had stories for over 60 years.

>>150763073
I'm sure another 40 years wouldn't hurt. Surely there's still some milk left in the cow.

>>150762819 (OP)
oh wow you think iron man has it bad? not spider-man or especially beast? that's cute.

>>150763108
Cow's on its final legs. His last run just got cancelled.

>>150762819 (OP)
>he's repeating the same cycle
Because writers ar talentless hacks that can only repeat old stories.

>>150763451
Spider-Man has multiple movies, television shows, games, and decent comics. Tony only has one decent movie, and one good tv show.

>>150762819 (OP)
>Why does Marvel treat him like trash?
There is good reason to hate tony since he is the one to blame for peter's aunt getting shot since he got him to revel to the world he was really spider-man. Thus OMD never would have happened had it not been for him that's why I hate him.

>>150762840
This kind of dismissive opinion is the desperate cry of modern hacks incapable of creating quality of their own so they have to denigrate their predecessors and superiors in hollow attempt to make it look like they're fixing something that isn't broken.

>>150762819 (OP)
>>150763108
Wouldn't you rather a new character is made, instead of constantly revamping this one?

>>150763585
No because you'd still have the same hacks in charge
Look at Ms Marvel, generally a new character using name and costume loosely based on the old costume, comic does better than expected for a year and they chose the worst possible directions with her

Another reason to hate him is since he caused the birth of the hullk. The gamma bomb was secretly altered by Tony Stark as revealed in Original Sin #3.1–3.4. Stark had long forgotten because he was blackout drunk at the time.

>>150763617
That doesn't make me hate Tony that makes me hate the writer because it's pure hack.

>>150762840
Hulk is literally ANGRY MAN SMASH yet he seems to get a lot of the more out-there ideas in his stories.
He's also one of the heroes most suitable for an antagonistic role, yet he seems to be treated with more respect than Tony, even when he's being a dick.

>>150763557
>>150763617
you’re the kind of guy to sincerely believe that a stripper wants to marry you

>>150763631
What about the fact that peter's aunt got shot because of him? yes people blame mephisto for the marriage being gone. But the true villian in a a sense is tony stark.

>>150763617
>We need to hate him because of this shitty-ass retcon made in the 2010s
>We need to hate him because of Quesada's ass decisions

That's on you for being stupid
But then again this also seems like the kind of thing Marvel employees do, shit on characters to absolve bad writers and editors from blame

>>150763488
i was talking about the characters in the comics. what you're bringing up is to narrow. spider-man has his own movies too, and the comics are shitting on peter parker. maybe ask yourself why disney is shitting on straight white male characters?

>>150762819 (OP)
They should give him Ultron as a villain.

>>150763577
>incapable of creating quality of their own
You mean like someone hired to write Iron Man?

>>150762819 (OP)
It's actually from the original dynamic between Iron Man and Tony Stark back when it was a secret identity
Iron Man is who Tony Stark wants to be, a modern day knight in shining armor
Toby Stark presents himself to the masses of this playboy innovator and is either beloved or loathed
Tony Stark in reality is vulnerablez neurotic and disabled but cannot come forward with it in fear of losing everything

>>150763701
I'm not in the camp that thinks the Hulk has very many good comics.

>>150762819 (OP)
Here's the real problem: Tony as a superhero largely has to do with warfare and the military-industrial complex, most of his villains are corrupt U.S. military guys or communist military guys. And the role of spy/military thriller can already be filled by Steve, Natasha, or Banner if anybody bothered to bring that aspect of the character back. And all those other characters have way more sympathetic reasons for being involved in military shenanigans than being a weapons dealer as well has having more fleshed out character traits/personalities/supporting cast/rogues gallery.
Most writers who know anything about the military want to write Steve instead of Tony.

>>150762819 (OP)
>Captain America
Old 40s propaganda. Has no relevance beyond "Symbol of America"

>Iron Man
Basically a more realistic/plausible Batman but with none of the well crafted villains that made Batman good. A lot of his villains were Communists that aren't relevant anymore.

>Spider-Man
The only really good Marvel creation with good villains to back him up.

>Hulk
Planet Hulk was great, but beyond that he's just angry smash guy.

>Thor
Was interesting when he was just some dude named Donald Blake who was worthy of the Hammer, but making him the actual mythological god made him boring.

>Fantastic Four
Nobody can seem to wrap their heads around the fact that this isn't even a superhero comic. It's a sci-fi comic about a family with powers exploring places like Star Trek. Only reason their considered "superheros" is because they live in the same universe as the other superhero characters.

>X-Men
Was great back in the day, but the racism allegory has been run into the ground.

>Black Widow
Former commie villain of Iron Man. Became a Shield Agent because Marvel doesn't know what to do with her.

>Hawkeye
Another Iron Man villain turned Shield Agent because Marvel doesn't know what to do with him beyond being their Green Arrow.

Everyone else is just a nobody. Deadpoool is hard carried by Zoomer 3rd Wall humor and lol random internet humor, Guardians of the Galaxy are hard carried by the movies.

>>150762819 (OP)

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>>150762819 (OP)
He's a billionaire industrialist white man that plays savior in third world countries and fights anarchists, you're lucky they don't just kill him off

>>150768746
Retarded takes.

>>150763719
Again. Writers fault. These are not real people. They act how the writer demands it. If a character suddenly acts bad an out of their usual step it's because writer.

>>150762819 (OP)
Because he is an orphan bastard. Just look at how Marvel treat Spider-man, another orphan bastard.

>>150763701
>Hulk is literally ANGRY MAN SMASH yet he seems to get a lot of the more out-there ideas in his stories.
Because those are DECONSTRUCTIVE stories that break down or dissect Hulk's characters and try to expand or give him something beyond the periphery of "anger issues."

That's why the other Avengers are lacking in comparison. You can only do so much with Thor and writers won't even bother expanding his pantheon and give him some actual threats like Perrikus or Gorr.

Captain America and Iron Man have always been in the rut. Their designs are too anachronistic and kitsch and haven't really had an overhaul since their introduction. Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Moon Knight are lightning in a bottle characters whose designs managed to leave readers with an everlasting impression. Cap is just a guy whose color palette is based on the american flag. Iron Man is just a drunk rich guy. How are you supposed to build off of those is what everyone ought to try to say?

>>150768746
>Spider-Man
>The only really good Marvel creation
I beg to differ Moon Knight and Nick Fury are also some of Marvel's best. Though their runs have been lagging behind Spider-Man's.
>X-Men
>Was great back in the day, but the racism allegory has been run into the ground.
Because it's usually conflated with its civil rights allegories for every time it's read. Though there's fun to be had between the runs. The only problem is Claremont's ego running the virtue signaling storytelling that it doesn't reign itself in until like issue #184. And even then, it's weird because Cyclops, being the face of the X-Men, gets his ass kicked by Storm AND replaced by Havok (who I'd reckon has far more potential than Cyclops). It's jarring with how Claremont handled this early portion of the run. Kitty was his female self-insert that made the early part insufferable. Nightcrawler, being the only decent character besides Forge, was in and out consecutively. Very rarely having a standout issue. Sure, he survived Dallas and is more likely to bang pussy between X-Calibur and X-Men. But I'd like to see more love and respect to him.
>Fantastic Four
>Nobody can seem to wrap their heads around the fact that this isn't even a superhero comic.
Because it's essentially Space Family Robinson meets The Challengers of the Unknown.

Anyway, I gotta dip. I have to get some frozen white castle for tonight.

>>150771108
Spoken like a Marvel hack employee

>>150768746
>communists aren't a relevant threat anymore
I wish this statement were true, anon, I really do. Unfortunately, there's a lot of losers in the world who find that fuck up of an ideology attractive.

>>150771368
Now you're getting it on how the inner workings affect the influence and legacy of Marvel characters.

>>150771512
Isn't Titanium Man the only Iron Man villain that's actually still a communist anyway? Considering how Marvel (and the rest of the comics industry) is still pretending actual WWII-era Nazis are still a clear and present danger, having just one actual Cold War Russian commie villain isn't a problem.

Though once Titanium Man's main goal became bringing back the USSR, the problem is why is this guy even fighting Iron Man anymore, he should be fighting the Winter Guard but they don't have their own book.

>>150772307
You forgot Crimson Dynamo.

>>150762819 (OP)
Disney mandate to try and get RDJ to lower his rates.

I ask you a legitimate question; where do we take Tony from here? Outside of making Stark Industries an intergalactic company, I'm stumped

>>150773423
Crimson Dynamos are all Russian, but most of them aren't communist true believers like original Titanium Man is. Even the one Dynamo in the early 90s who wanted to preserve the USSR accepted it was a lost cause in the end.

>>150773473
>I ask you a legitimate question; where do we take Tony from here? Outside of making Stark Industries an intergalactic company, I'm stumped
Have Tony lose all his money again, lose his company again, build a new armor, date some random heroine because nobody wants civilian supporting cast characters anymore, and ignore most of the Iron Man rogues gallery, same as most modern Iron Man runs.

>>150763617
>>150763631
>>150763747
Jesus Christ, that's twenty shades of fucking retarded.
Modern writers fucking with classic hero origin stories should be verbotten on an editorial level.

>>150773473
He literally just starts buying out terrorist groups in secret and getting their people therapy. The ones willing to cash out entirely, he protects under the basis that he's an awful drunk who's done horrible things for money and vice, so why not them?

It doesn't go well, but it plays into themes of guilt, the morality of wealth, illusory happiness, parasocial egomania, consensual oblivion, and the aftermath of ideological abandonment.

Got to start with something.

>>150762840
Tony is the best "Goodguy who does Badguy thing in the name of Good" they have. Fuck Namor, he never counts

>>150775442
>Fuck Namor
No, Sue. Bad.

>>150775496
Namor is getting rubber fisted if he tries anything, that cad

>>150773473
Nothing, his story is finished.

>>150762819 (OP)
They need to nerf him, and buff his villains.

>>150775716
What villains?

>>150762819 (OP)
He sucks.

>>150762819 (OP)
The dude is the result of a dare to create a character no one should like and force people to like him.

>>150762819 (OP)
I want an anti-Shooter where the editorial mandate is either no shared universe or characters must be written off within 20 years of their introduction.

>>150768746
Hawkeye is the quintessential Avenger and doesn't belong anywhere near SHIELD

>>150777319
So you just want endless iterations of legacy characters, the "we have too many Robins" problem but with Batman.

>>150762819 (OP)
Civil War was a mistake.

>>150768746
Marvel characters are outdated.

>>150777319
I'll do you one better, every 20 years those characters have to be hard-rebooted with contexts and characterizations that are more reflective of the respective period's zeitgeist

>>150762819 (OP)
It's time for Marvel to throw in the towel, and make him a villain, permanently.

>>150763609
The problem is they keep adding to the same universe. Things will never work like that.
It was to a new world, a new story, and a new character to truly be new.

>>150768912
Funny how you say this but Tony's been fucked with since the 90s