Thread 150771167

>woow, he switched the recording from the evil kryptonians to the Kents, because those are his REAL parents, so clever!!

This is the exact i dropped this piece of shit movie. Gunn can't help but force his own daddy issues, expect Thomas Wayne to be a corrupt neglectful bum

>>150771167 (OP)
>This is the exact i dropped this piece of shit movie
that's right at the end, this dude watched it the whole way through and says this like it means anything

>>150771167 (OP)
It's also the moment everyone else dropped the movie. I think you're on to something here. OP.

>>150771167 (OP)
It wasn't trying to be clever. It's always more important or a story to be thematically coherent than try to outsmart the audience or whatever. And the Kents being Clark's real parents has been a thing in like, the vast majority of Superman material.

>>150771220
Also this. It's the last scene.

I like it. It is a departure from always having Clark to have this hold on his blood relatives who did not raise him and instill their way of life. He was raised in America, by farmers in Kansas, in a small town.

You seen it in the Donor films to. Jor'El has this god like hold on how he should be without ever actually living as them. It is comically inhuman to live in a way you never experienced.

To be more relatable to mankind is to live as them already. Everyone is different, and have their own desires in how they want to live among each other. Clark being an alien yet looking human is like being a giant among dwarves. They are all the same either way.

>>150771167 (OP)
You’re mad at a movie whose entire theme is “Israel is bad”.

>>150771432
it was about Ukraine and Russia, dumbass

>>150771456
Really. Then why did James Gunn change the Moses myth of Superman’s origin to “actually, building a holy land for your people is bad”.

>>150771167 (OP)
>the exact i dropped
So AT THE END?
Right before the credits?

Or in your parlance:
"before finish I drop"

>>150771306
>also the moment everyone else dropped
So after finishing the movie?

>>150771495
You are fucking obsessed

>>150771566
Nah, I’m just literate. It’s crazy how people can watch the Zach Snyder hamfisted Christian symbolism in Man of steel and not see the hamfisted antizionist Jewish symbolism in Superman 2025

>>150771589
Ben. Get off 4chan and STOP bombing Gaza. Please.

>>150771589
>the hamfisted antizionist Jewish symbolism
by this logic Dragon Ball was antizionist

I really wish we had the IP counter back

>>150771641
Huh? Dragonball is anti imperialist in general. In superman you have the Gaza analogue and the twist to the Moses origin story along with the fact that the actor who played superman is Jewish. All that comes to get her to be specifically antizionist.

These posts? All me btw.

Bait.

>>150771432
>jewish superman
>anti israel
You got the wrong message from the flick, unfortunately

>>150771764
What other message is there than a Jewish person rejecting the concept of Jewish supremacy?

>>150771167 (OP)
>because those are his REAL parents
yeah, it doesnt take a genius to understand the idea that the people who raised you are more important than your biological ones

>Gunn can't help but force his own daddy issues
whats the problem with being emotionally attached to the idea that its the act of raising a child being more important than simply being biologically related?

>>150771167 (OP)
kek

>>150771332
>. And the Kents being Clark's real parents has been a thing in like, the vast majority of Superman material.
its consistent with john byrnes man of steel anyways
which, for better or worse, is still the soil on which most modern depictions are grown from

>>150771827
>for better or worse
It's worse.

CAUSE I’M A COCKSUCKER YES I AM

>>150771167 (OP)
Based on his upbringing, Gunn's Superman probably watched Charlie Kirk videos on youtube

>>150771404
>>150771807
>It is a departure from always having Clark to have this hold on his blood relatives who did not raise him and instill their way of life. He was raised in America, by farmers in Kansas, in a small town.
Clark is the last of his kind. Imagine for a moment you are the last white/black/chink/etc and you have last books about the history of your race/country and a DVD with the last words of your biological family. Are you telling me you would drop all of that just because other people raised you? And honestly, Gunn and his fans are nothing but pretentious faggots. They just want to be different for the sake of being different, even if doesn't make sense. So, the El are evil and Clark rejects them but, for some reason, he still wear their symbol and use their tech? I don't get why people defend this. Is it just to shit on Snyderfags?

>>150771167 (OP)
I also stopped watching then. Wow isn't that weird.

>>150772624
>Are you telling me you would drop all of that just because other people raised you?
This question alone speaks volumes. Holy fuck, yes I'm going to put my living family over dead strangers, jesus fuck.

>>150773029
Anons be like
>”but what about that culture that I didn’t grow up in and barely understand”
I guess I didn’t grow up in it and barely understand it. Gee whiz.

>>150773029
>Holy fuck, yes I'm going to put my living family over dead strangers, jesus fuck.
Is there a situation where people are putting a gun to the Kents' heads unless Superman stops caring about Krypton?

>>150772624
>They just want to be different for the sake of being different, even if doesn't make sense
like mentioned earlier, it isnt just being different for the sake of it, it was part of his most well-known and consistent runs that would be the definitive superman for decades

> I don't get why people defend this.
because it isnt a bad message for someone to choose the ones who actually raised you compared to the ones who birthed you and then never met you

relationships of choice being held higher than relations of blood is hardly something gunn invented

>>150772624
>for some reason, he still wear their symbol
I don't think it was established in the film that it's the crest of the house of El. In this universe, it may very well just be a stylized S.
>and use their tech?
Why not? It's there at his convenience. Just because he uses it doesn't mean he's embracing a culture he's never known and can never know.
>I don't get why people defend this
Because it's a good movie made by people who understand the material.

>>150773144
>someone to choose the ones who actually raised you compared to the ones who birthed you and then never met you
False dichotomy. No one was saying he should have to give up his Earth parents (but low key it was better back when they died before he left Smallville.)

>>150772624
You're a psychopath. Just so you know this fact.

>>150773334
The lack of self awareness of this post

>>150772624
>Are you telling me you would drop all of that just because other people raised you?
They raised me very well. I love my family, even if I somehow was adopted or not even human it doesn't matter to me, I was there telling my grandma I'll always love her before she passed and I'll always hold true to that love. I love my parents and my grandparents who raised me with nothing but love and patience.

Lot of non-adopted people who can't make the imaginative leap to consider what it would feel like to not know your birth parents in this thread.

>>150771167 (OP)
I turned it off when it was revealed Supergirl is a drunk party girl. Really Gunn?!

>>150773845
lots of non-adopted people who cant grasp willingly choosing the loving adoptive parents over the not-so-great biological ones either

>>150771167 (OP)
>Gunn can't help but force his own daddy issues
Gunn is adopted?

>>150773861
People's problem with this plot point isn't that he should have taken over Earth because his Kryptonian parents said to, it's that that was even the plot in the first place. Why did they have to write it as "Earth parents good, alien parents bad"? It makes Superman way more boring to remove the main source of his pathos.

>>150773967
>Why did they have to write it as "Earth parents good, alien parents bad"?
to highlight earth as his home by choice
its where he was raised and its what he has known, which is more important than a distant place he has never set foot
its exactly how it was done by john byrne, where jor-el muses that he might rule over earth thanks to his powers

>>150773999
>to highlight earth as his home by choice
But it's not, his Kryptonian parents picked it.
>ts where he was raised and its what he has known, which is more important than a distant place he has never set foot
Why are people acting like him caring at all about Krypton means he cares more about it than Earth? No one is saying that.
>its exactly how it was done by john byrne, where jor-el muses that he might rule over earth thanks to his powers
That's not the same as saying he should conquer Earth, and Byrne's interpretation is shit anyway.

>>150774039
>But it's not, his Kryptonian parents picked it.
it is his choice what he considers his real parents, his biological ones or the ones who actually raised him

>Why are people acting like him caring at all about Krypton means he cares more about it than Earth?
because when you highlight his longing for a planet he has never known, never seen, and has had little impact on his upbringing, you create a character he seems to care more about ghosts than the living
making kryptonians less of squeaky clean immediately forces superman puts a superman at a crossroads, what he has been defining himself as this whole time goes against his own values
which reinforces the theme that who you choose to be matters more than where you come from, just because his parents are jerks does not mean he has to be

>That's not the same as saying he should conquer Earth
you can clearly draw a line in characterization from the more morally ambiguous krypton envisioned by byrne and gunn superman

>>150774143
>it is his choice what he considers his real parents
Why does he have to choose who his "real parents" are? He has two sets of parents that each mean different things to him.
>because when you highlight his longing for a planet he has never known, never seen, and has had little impact on his upbringing, you create a character he seems to care more about ghosts than the living
Again this is not true and makes no sense. Why does him caring about Krypton at all mean he doesn't care about Earth? Knowing that his entire planet was lost makes him care more deeply about the Earth and how fragile it is.
>you can clearly draw a line in characterization from the more morally ambiguous krypton envisioned by byrne and gunn superman
Yes and it's a dumb line that shouldn't be drawn.

>>150774185
>Again this is not true and makes no sense
when you make him into such an overt-follower of kryptons ways, to the point that he uses kryptonian expressions, goes by kal-el, and lives in a kryptonian-style fort
you get the impression that he is idolizing people he has never met and knows nothing about

>Knowing that his entire planet was lost makes him care more deeply about the Earth and how fragile it is.
people can and have wrote this story
but gunn wrote a story where he instead chooses the loving family who raised him over over the distant family with values that do not fit in with the ones he was raised with

>Yes and it's a dumb line that shouldn't be drawn.
it shows that this version of evil krypton is no less comic-accurate than the all-good, perfect krypton of the silver age or jor-el being the sole good kryptonian in an evil krypton

>>150774247
>you get the impression that he is idolizing people he has never met and knows nothing about
In those stories he does know a lot about them. He's preserving the legacy of his lost home.
>but gunn wrote a story where he instead chooses the loving family who raised him over over the distant family with values that do not fit in with the ones he was raised with
And it was boring, it makes him way less interesting as a character if he just disregards his heritage. People don't get that Superman being an alien and all that entails is what makes him interesting. Otherwise he's just a superstrong flying man no different from his many knockoffs.
>it shows that this version of evil krypton is no less comic-accurate
Why should I care if it has a precedent in the comics? It's a bad take on the character. The version I like has far more comics backing it up anyway.

>>150772624
>Imagine for a moment you are the last white/black/chink/etc and you have last books about the history of your race/country and a DVD with the last words of your biological family. Are you telling me you would drop all of that just because other people raised you?

Yeah because it would mean absolutely nothing to me because I never knew or lived any of this and only knew the people and world that raised me. It's like finding a book in your 30s from your great grandfather you never knew telling you to give up your hard won million dollar career to own a bass fishing store because it was his dream and he wants you to live it. Are you gonna throw away everything on the words of some guy you never knew just because you're blood related? I certainly wouldn't.

>>150773691
I agree, you have the self awareness of an ant. Thank god you wont breed.

>>150773845
If your birth parent was an axe murderer would you decide you also need to be one now to honor him?

>>150774880
Do people not understand fiction? Superman's parents don't exist. Gunn was the one who chose to make them evil in this movie.

>>150771456
Those were the brownest Ukrainians I've ever seen.

>>150774905
He probably did for the obligatory evil Kryptonians that are gonna show up. Rather than make the stretch that every other Kryptonian that somehow made it is evil like Zod and the rest he decided to just make them evil as a whole with Clark and Kara being the only exceptions.

>>150774944
>Rather than make the stretch that every other Kryptonian that somehow made it is evil like Zod
How is that more of a stretch than the entire race being evil? And based on interviews Gunn did after the film came out he's a bit cagey about saying what the rest of the Kryptonians were like. The Supergirl movie is based on a comic about her grieving Krypton so presumably not everyone there is cartoonishly evil, but in that case Jor-El and Lara were exceptionally bad among Kryptonians which is even worse than them just being typical of a supremacist society.

>>150771332
>And the Kents being Clark's real parents has been a thing in like, the vast majority of Superman material.

Yes, that's exactly why it's bizarre that Gunn went with this plotline, since it heavily implies that up until the message reveal, Clark didn't value the Kents as much as his ideal of Jor-El and Lara. Not only that, having their intentions be at complete odds with his personal mission statement completely destroys the impact of choosing Earth and the Kents. In what world could he possible honor their wishes without becoming a tyrant?

Even a living god assimilates to the mightiness of American culture. Shit's based.

The movie taught me it only takes 20 years to raise another generation of Americans who think interventionalism is a viable foreign policy.

>>150772624
There is not a single thing ever even proving to him he is the last of his kind. It's all hearsay. What's matter is he learns to embrace the part of his heritage that isn't hearsay - the people who actually love and raised him, and let go of abstract symbols.

It doesn't matter whether his Krypton parents were evil or not, his realization is that the question of their morality is less important than what his actual caretakers taught him and how that's made him who he is.

>>150771167 (OP)
>>150776689
Which one is the right here, yo?

ITT: "muh found family" Cluster B freaks who resent their real family for asinine BPDemon reasons and coping adopted fatties who are sour grapes about being fat and adopted.

>wow, he freed the genie because friendship was more important than getting what he wanted, so clever!!
This is right where I dropped this piece of shit movie.

>>150778306
itt some schizo having a melty about people putting real relationships over strangers lol

>>150776817
>and let go of abstract symbols.
I guess we shouldn't learn history and science in school. It's all abstract.

>>150778702
Fatty Fatty Noparents.

>>150771764
>all Jews are Zionists
Unironically the most antisemitic thing you could possibly say