Thread 150840374

Western artists have historically established the precedent that, unless otherwise specified, art done for hire still belongs under their ownership. The most infamous example of this what Penders did to Archie.
As a tool against corporate exploitation, it makes sense.

Lately, Western independent artists have begun to express this sentiment more vocally against commissioned artwork from private parties. Some relatively popular western artists have begun to express that commissioners do not have a right to modify or redistribute the artwork they paid for.

Will the "art as a license" model that is a default meant to protect against industrial exploitation kill cripple the private commission industry?

SAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR

Define "art-for-hire". No, AI will never replace professional contracted artists in any real capacity because of the licensing headaches. It will continue to eat up the lowest-common-denominator market, though, to much seething and commotion.
At the end of the day the commissioner market will still be big enough so it doesn't matter, there will just also be a flood of aislop.

AI art is garbage. This isn't even about the debate between humans and Skynet or whatever the fuck, it looks terrible. Philosophically and artistically, it's a dead end.

>>150840706
There are artists that just trace AI for a living.

>>150840374 (OP)
The only theft is CiviAi charging money for nsfw generations.

>>150840374 (OP)
This feels like an /ic/ thread that escaped containment

>>150840706
If it's so shit, then why care if people train AI on their publicly posted art then? It's shit, so it's not like it matters in the end, right?

>>150840863
Why do you want to look at shit?

>>150840863
You WANT more shit on the internet?

commissioning IS owning though?
this is just cope...

>>150840949
You missed the latest art drama on X (I envy you). Artists have emphatically proclaimed that you do not own your commissions, just a license to display them.

>>150840863
>It's shit, so it's not like it matters in the end, right?
Except that in the end there will be shit everywhere, you fucking moron.
You are LITERALLY arguing for shitting in the cyberstreets.

>>150840991
That's because they view all ownership as theft

>>150840991
>You missed the latest art drama on X
lole

>>150841026
You aren't wrong, but this particular drama is about commission work for some years-old accounts and responses from confirmed real artists lol

>>150841101
Examples?

>>150841101
>muh drama
>it's probably 2 or 3 people being obnoxious about it

an actual drama reaches people, this shit is nowhere to be seen

>>150840991
>Not reading your artist's TOS
First off don't be that kind of retarded
2nd, almost everyone says "please don't use this work for crypto/AI training purposes" which is entirely fair game.

>>150841124
Inciting artist is mothdusky, 25k followers, been active for 2 years, not going to derail the thread into a literal list of X accounts

>>150841213
Fair, though I was more asking for actual quotes or screenshot because I'm not making a fucking X account

>>150841207
The big issue in this case was that:
>The artist has traced AI artwork to fulfill paid commissions before in t he past
>X's own TOS tells you anything you post there will get used for training so her own TOS was essentially useless (and already not enforceable)

>>150841248

>>150840706
I guess you've only seen Dall-E shit then. Also, it's nice that people are using their GPUs to do art instead of wasting their lives playing vidya.

>>150840706
It obviously isnt

>>150840991
X tos says they own every pic you upload. Clicking that little "agree" button means more than their loudest opinions

>>150841021
Its this, and dint give an inch to anyone saying otherwise.

>>150840991
Man, it's kinda crazy that artists have become pro-copyright ever since AI became public. Truly Disney's best useful idiots for expanding copyright law

>>150840888
>>150840895
>>150841000
I don't care, nerds.

>>150841332
Thanks, anon. That said, I'm just going to elect to consider both sides full of shit because one is an AI bro and the artist fucked up by not considering the TOS for X if they did in fact do that.

>>150841648
I know you don't have taste, anon, you don't have to repeat yourself.

Copyright law is bullshit anyway.

>>150841600
I've always been pro-copyright. Just because the big boys abuse the fuck out of it doesn't mean someone doesn't deserve to own the work they create.

>>150841765
Yeah, the reason people are upset in this case is because commissioners are typically (legally incorrectly at the moment) viewing the transaction as purchasing a product (the artwork) and not a service (the drawing). So when artists start saying what you can and cannot do (or where you can and cannot share) artwork you paid them to create, it highlights the current issue with copyright.

>>150841207
Yeah every contract is going to be different so this feels like petty drama being spun into a Big Statement.

>>150841941
This shit is why you always read the fucking contract for any service you pay for

Off topic AI shilling jeet/spambot threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/10 >>>/global/rules/14 and >>>/co/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Do your part to help purge this board of lawless youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhumans like him who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=150840374

>>150842086
Requesting mass reports is against the rules as well, fren

>>150842086
>Protecting the quality of /co/
Lol

>>150842082
That's the rub, virtually no artist that provides commissions ever offers a license transfer, but many would be upset it you gave that as a reason not to commission.

>>150840374 (OP)
Proompting is basically the end point of piratefagging. It's all just a lot of excuses from browns too poor to actually pay for anything since their shitmoney is worth less than Monopoly play money.

>>150840511
The part they are afraid to say is that artists are fighting to keep people that would commission them from creating it themselves with AI. They cant say it because its admitting that they are forcing people to pay them to produce fetish porn . Given how these people often have autism its that they are in layman's terms exploiting the mentally retarded to make art that otherwise would be appalling to the public.

They certainly won't admit that AI image modellers are designed around tags and associations, which is how humans learn. Thus copyright cant be claimed but only that the machine drew the art in a way that the artist would.

>>150842868
If you can't do what you want with an image even after you pay for it, why would you bother pay for it?

>>150843011
>people don't like AI?
>no, it's the artists forcing people to not use AI

>>150840706
Turn your steps up, change your sampler, stop using PONY, lower the lora by .2, turn denoise to .5.

>>150843011
>which is how humans learn
AI is a misnomer, it has no real intelligence or retention.

>>150841213
Ah, the guy who traced an AI image of a furry hyena astronaut and is trying to pretend he is anti AI. It wasnt even an image he genned, its someone else's.

Also, his actual art is flat crap!

>>150840374 (OP)
tasteless faggot detected

Thread vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjIKnpjUZP0

>>150841355
if this is supposed to be a compilation of AI art threads from different boards, it's missing the best gen threads like /ddg/ and /vtai/

>>150844214
Yeah its not all inclusive

>>150840949
Digital art has its sets of headaches. Because it's not like traditional pieces that you can own after commissioning an artist and then sell years later to make room for your home, the rights are handled as personal use versus commercial use. You don't make printed copies of a digital commission to sell if it wasn't discussed with the artist but you can use it as something like a profile pic or a header for xitter or something, that's the stuff you should be asking for details. From what I can understand, at least.

>>150845009
That's accurate.

>>150840374 (OP)
Interesting choice to post this the same day civitai announces they're removing free NSFW generation.

This has to be the single stupidest ai shit thread I've seen in quite some time, to the point I had to write this. At this point I feel like this shit is so far up its own fuckin' ass it's got shit coming outta its mouth. Retardation uroboros.

>>150840991
That makes non sense, otherwise private commissions would be impossible.

>>150840374 (OP)
You absolutely can commission somebody to purchase the copyright of an art piece they will make for you. It's going to cost a lot more, and not everybody will be interested in doing so, but it's certainly possible. The difference is that you don't want to pay for a copyright of an artwork that you commission. You just want to pay bottom dollar, and that's obviously not going to be getting the copyright from that.

This is a bit like saying "If renting a movie isn't owning, then I can go to the local Walmart and just steal all their Blu-Ray movies" because you're ignoring that those movies ARE available for sale. You just don't want to pay for them.
This is in contrast to video games or Netflix-exclusive content, which specifically you cannot purchase anywhere and nobody wants to sell you a copy that you can own.

Also, prompting off an AI gives generic garbage results that only replaces the most basics of commissioned work. More than that, if you're commissioning someone, I can assume that you like their art in particular so you aren't going to get it from a generic AI generative prompt and so would need a LoRA to even try and get something similar.

>>150841355
What's with Image generation and the urge to balkanize their threads?

>>150845127
Most artists neither offer nor respond to rights-inclusive commission purchases. For that plurality of artists, commissioning is not owning and there is no way to own artwork of theirs.

Furthermore, depending on the artist, LoRAs are perfectly passable substitutes. This problem actually gets worse the more prolific an artist is.

>>150845143
It's so much easier to rapidly produce images that they'd be competing for the image limit in a single thread.

I think everyone is missing a big point about all of this, lots of these xitter artists upload mostly fanart shit and what a lot of these xitter parasytes forget is that they objectively do not own any of the fanart they post and the legal owner of the original IP would be entirely within their rights to take those fanarts and do with them as they please and the xitter artists would have 0 legal recourse.
If you commisioned someone to make art of your own trademarked and copyrighted characters you'd have enough precedent to argue that any art of your copyrighted IP belongs to you regardless of what the artist's TOS claim

>>150840374 (OP)
>>150840706
I am going to teach everyone how to use AI correctly you piece of shit mexican artists.

The 4chan hack revealed that all the drawfags on 4chan are some form of Southern American or Indonesian which is just typical of their species just like the jews. Same applies for all artists on Tumblr, Twitter, etc. they're brown.
>New technology arised which can no longer allow me to put people under my control and make people depend on me?
>Defame the new technology! let everyone remain at their primitive state all depending ON ME ON ME, EVERYONE HAS TO DEPEND ON ME ON MY WHIMS.
And you wonder why this bullshit persists?

>But Penders is white
He is a mutt. All mutts have gypsy/cancer DNA in them. A true white person shares and aims for ideals and to get better.
A gypsy aka a literal cancer cell aims to create nothing but shit and kill the host in the process, effectively killing himself too, literal cancer. Cancer is brown colored. It explains everything. All gypsies are mentally insane primitives who want to commit genocidal-suicide for no reason beyond they're mentally insane. They do not think, not like a healthy cell at least.

>>150845637
It's why the jews keep pushing for africans, middle easterns, chinks onto healthy countries. The conspiracy theory is that they all think like jews and even the poorest jew follows unwittingly the agenda of the elites. The useful idiots are often mutts and browns just like the jews who think just like jews. Browns and jews alike are perverted and enjoy porn far more than whites do. Jews are the children of harem babies from the sultans. They're literal whore merchant spies. They're literal spies.

>>150845100
>civitai announces they're removing free NSFW generation
What? Well I guess RIP civitai.

Not sure why you guys keep paying for AI sites when you can just buy a used GPU for once and download free local AI models

Prompting isn't theft because anti-ai tards think the machine is just tracing their work and stitching existing art together when that's not how it works.

If AI art generation was a copyright infringement then Google Image Search, and half the websites on the planet would immediately be in violation because they don't even transform pictures they store on their servers.

ai really rots your brain

I don't care about your self-generated copyright infringing danked Spongebob episodes, OP. Kill yourself.

>>150840374 (OP)
>art done for hire still belongs under their ownership

"work for hire" belongs to the entity that paid for it, but the artist may (unless they've specifically signed that away) retain the right to be identified as the creator of that work

it means you can't sue someone for tucking their small signature in the corner of your portrait after they finish painting it, and you can't buy their work and pass it off as your own unless they consented to you doing that

>Will the "art as a license" model that is a default meant to protect against industrial exploitation kill cripple the private commission industry?

if you'd even done the most basic reading you'd know the answer is no, and you'd know that it's no because these have been the rules of copyright for well over a century

fucking mong

>>150840863
ceos and shareholders don't care that it's shit
ceos and shareholders have no qualms about actively making their product shit for the sake of keeping investor money flowing in
you've heard all this many times before, fuck you

>>150843112
still looks ass man

idc, still making money from gens :)
imagine being replaced by slop because you have no talent

>>150845894
Even if they were in violation, they’d still do it anyways. Rules for thee and not for me, after all.

>>150845144
>Most artists neither offer nor respond to rights-inclusive commission purchases
Bruh, I've met randos who have that as an option [granted it's jacked up a little but if you're effectively signing yourself out of future royalties that's the road you take] even for something as simple as character adopts.

>>150840374 (OP)
If you brought a dress to a tailor-desiner and comissioned it.

You are still the owner of the design, and the piece that you missioned. and you are entitled to use it in advertisment.

The Tailor has no rights over your desin or stopping you from telling you how to use their comissioned dress.

(unless they specificly specify in LEGAL agreement) which is you given them the power to doormat you

>>150845894
You must feel so pathetic knowing that your prompts produce nothing of value without the hard work of those "tards". You are nothing but a parasite.

>>150845100
Won't be long now before the bubble pops and every AI service that doesn't go under starts charging for it. You didn't think the corporations people have heavily invested in under the assumption this is going to make a profit would let you use this tech for free at massive cost to themselves forever, did you?

>>150845637
You still haven't taught us how to use AI correctly, retard.

>>150846427
Imagine being so unpleasant to interact with that people would rather fiddle with a soulless machine instead and settle for oddly-coloured pictures with three legs or six fingers or holes in the teeth.
Drawfags neglected to be half-decent human beings and they lost the personality game.

>>150841453
It annoys me to all hell seeing so many dance around this fact

>>150841021
Obviously they don't since they claim ownership of their own work.

Don't go to art school. Go to law or business school.

>>150846302
>have been the rules of copyright for well over a century
This hasn't been enforced in the only-30-year-old digital art space practically ever is the thing.

>>150840991
>it's another "couple of autists say dumb shit and retards insist it's what the entire group thinks" episode

>>150845100
That's not exactly what happened, but yeah, afraid we'll be getting WAY less porn and get lucky if we get an occasional cameltoe and stuff.
Shame because it's way easier to get passable porn than a lot of other types of image there.

>>150848367
Welcome to post 2016 politics brained 4chan where we look for the worst and most hypocritical examples of people we disagree with and use that to smear everyone who shares one opinion with them. To say anons hate the mainstream media so much they sure behave exactly like them these days.

>>150840991
this sounds like it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but instead meant to draw attentiontion to the state of ownership over all.

>>150840374 (OP)
Prompting would be theft no matter what, because it doesn't remove or deprive anyone of anything. At best it's copyright infringement.
AI is still shit for retards though.

>>150840374 (OP)
It fucking slays me how all the AIjeet shilling here absolutely BOMBED after the shitfest that was GPT-5

>>150840374 (OP)
Prompting isn't theft, yes. The theft happens when models are put to commercial use without paying a license fee to the folks whose IP was used to train them.

>>150848705
Violent J lost a ton of weight

>>150848663
wouldn't*

>>150848705
>The theft happens when models are put to commercial use without paying a license fee to the folks whose IP was used to train them.
That's not theft either.

>>150848461
>That's not exactly what happened, but yeah, afraid we'll be getting WAY less porn and get lucky if we get an occasional cameltoe and stuff.
Oh it's WAY worse than that, actually. I ran a test. All it takes is the word 'breasts'. A fully clothed woman wearing a shirt and jacket with 'large breasts' is enough to trigger the system into demanding yellow buzz.

But, you know, yay AI, boo gatekeeping artists are luddites etc.

>>150847082
I'm just gonna post this

>>150846427
Imagine being so skillless you have to pay for AI sloppa... my nigger just buy a good graphics card

>>150848812
Anon says he's making money from AI, not that he's paying for it. I presume he's actually making money from AI by being paid 1 rupee per post by Sam Altman, but I just thought I'd point that out.

>>150848784
Wojaks are the most interesting thing to me - when people say retarded shit I largely assume they're just having a jape, but when someone tries to use some kind of wojak image as a gotcha I'm left to contend with the idea that they unironically have some kind of latent schizophrenia that got activated

>>150848784
I have gotten no response from artists offering to pay double their old comm rate if they just opened up again and been ignored, I don't particularly care of artists like that have AI style-rips because you couldn't pay them if you wanted to.

>>150848875
I know what he's saying. If you commission AI art and pay someone to gen stuff you're genuinely wasting money.

>>150847082
Oh this is about drawfags?

>>150848917
I feel like you're omitting a crucial detail, what could you possibly be asking for that you'd even feel the need to offer double the rate?

>>150840374 (OP)
Commissioning isn't AUTOMATICALLY owning but that's something that has to be worked out in the commission contract. You can absolutely own a work you commissioned.

You're a fucking moron OP

>>150848914
there was that sharty guy who went on a mass shooting and his manifesto was just unhinged ramblings, someone using soijaks marks them as a genuine lost cause

>>150849033
He said their commissions were closed so he's paying double to reopen them you illiterate bot

I don't pretend AI is art. I don't even share the stuff I make with it because it's purely a novelty.
But man sometimes it's genuinely fun. Particularly the AI trying to come up with how a character would look in a specific artist's style, especially when it seems like a character that artist wouldn't draw normally.

>>150849073
Nta
In what fucking world do you hear someone tell you "sorry, I can't take commissions right now" and your dumb ass thinks "that's ok, I will blind them with the SHEERE WEALTH of SEVENTH FIVE DOLLARS and they will drop all of their clients and everything in their personal life!"
You have brain problems

>>150849019
No. I've never even seen a drawfag bring up AI except to say they don't care and will keep drawing regardless because they enjoy it. But the AI shills try to make it about them because presumably they have a post-it note stuck to their monitors that says:
>Remember: AI GOOD artists BAD
It's always the exact same "anti-artist" talking points and is inorganic as fuck on a board known for its drawfags.

>>150849118
> a board known for its drawfags.
Where? They went extinct especially after the 4chan hack.

>>150840511
Most contracted artists were graphic designers for things like product packaging, web design and physical advertising. That was like 70% of the people making money off of creating non-sequential works in a visual medium. Those jobs are essentially gone already.

>>150849106
Remind me some of those AI threads they show off their output sizes with some having like 200gb of generated AI art

>>150845929
It genuinely does. It's incredibly addictive but completely non productive.

Commissioning art requires a contract
The contract specifies who retains what rights
OP is retarded and so is twitter
AI gens are 99.99999% trash

>>150849116
I'll elaborate, then.
>Their commissions haven't been open in years
>I was offering $1,000
>They never responded, so it never progressed to the point of specifying any content (but it would have been to continue something they started and put on hiatus)
They did later respond in a roundabout way to someone else that they have their Patreon for support instead of commissions now but they can go months without updating on Patreon.

>>150840374 (OP)
All of this shit started because one artist decided to trace AI art

>>150849141
It's interesting that the delivery rates of drawthreads have declined while AI threads still keep hitting image limits, judging by >>150841355

>Western artists have historically established the precedent that, unless otherwise specified, art done for hire still belongs under their ownership.
That's not true.
>The most infamous example of this what Penders did to Archie.
Sega just had incompetent lawyers or didn't give a shit.

>>150849332
I'm not surprised, 4chan in general went from around a million posts per day to sub-650k, e.g. imagine losing an entire 1/3 of your site's traffic just because people saw what was under the hood kek

>>150849332
Drawthreads went to shit a long time ago due to the autists who spam the same requests in every thread. Drawfags seem more likely to drop into threads about characters and shows they're interested in drawing these days and I don't blame them. The absolute state of the drawthread is enough to depress anyone.

>>150849237
>I sent a low commission offer to someone that wasn't taking commissions at an email address that they don't check, WHY DIDN'T THEY RESPOND!?
Dipshit.

>>150840395
>>150840706

>>150840374 (OP)
As an art commissioner, artists owe me hot steamy sex with handholding and cuddling on bed *Mic drop*

>>150848741
If you steal bricks and build a shipping center for your coffee brand with them, then that's theft, yes.

These AI company's defense is that they have taken the economy hostage and will take everybody down with them.

>>150849815
>If you steal
Yes that would be theft.
Not paying license fees is not stealing. It's unlicensed use.

>>150849815
>>150848741
>>150848705
Theft isn't the same thing as copyright infringement
AI models trained on data they don't own are guilty of copyright infringement, but the obvious truth is that while courts might lean one way or another the people in power absolutely do not give a shit.
Why not?
Two reasons:
1) The obvious fact that the AI bubble is the last pillar holding up this collapsing economy and the market popping because training AI is too expensive is a non-starter
2) The scary fact that a lot of the obscenely wealthy people spearheading AI development and clearing the way for it politically, both here and abroad, see LLM's as literal saviors and demons. They're think they're building god to fight the devil and I wish I were being hyperbolic.

>>150849871
*God

>>150849676
dishonest argument, you are free to rope yourself

>>150840991
>ainiggers incapable of a basic tier thought and courtesy towards another human
fitting

>>150849515
Drawfag here, I avoid drawthreads because they literally are just wishlists of people there, there's no discussion nor fun. If you are not requesting or delivering people are throwing a hissy fit. Like you said I prefer to go into character or show thread and draw for anons there

>>150848783
Yeah, looking bad out there. I tried removing some tags from my prompt that could be pushing it to yellow - huge breasts, wide hips, shiny skin etc, and couldn't find any close to reasonable trigger words. Just saw a comment that using the word "latina" already pushes it to yellow territory, not sure if entire models already do it.

>>150845127
>You absolutely can commission somebody to purchase the copyright of an art piece they will make for you
all adoptables, literally becomes yours but aifags are incapable of a thought

>>150840374 (OP)
Artist literally just have to offer something cool. If they weren't so mind broken by politics they might be able to achieve this, but unfortunately they think shit like Craig of the creek or the last fifteen years of cape comics are the pinnacle of art

>>150846427
>my only meaning in life is to make money
saddest existence

>>150850547
I genned this two weeks ago. If I hit remix on it now, the exact same prompt is NSFW according to the filters.
In other news, Kling upped their filter sensitivity yet again and Sora is bogged down so every attempt fails. Bubble can't pop fast enough.

>>150845700
>>150845637
Since I've never frothed at the mouth, I'm curious. Does it drip down, covering your chin with spittle? Or does it have enough surface tension to kind of puddle at the lips and bubble? Or are you just projecting with such vitriol that it all goes flying?

>>150843011
Art commission work is a weird beast.The freaks that want that stuff still want a person to do it. Just look at the drawthread. And it's not necessarily always about the art itself, but more "I got THAT guy to draw this for me". It makes me think of the people obsessed with "brands" for clothing, or baseball card collecting. Has no real world value, but the commissioner, it means something.

>>150849585
>Lies and cope
It's over, I'm still never commissioning now.

>>150850461
Sperging out and saying >SAAAAR like a brainrot zoomer is just as bad as a shartynugger.

>>150851922
implying I was the OP

>>150849193
>200gb
Those are baby numbers.

>>150840991
>regurgitating shitter drama
i think you and op should KYS

So is AI finally capable of making comic books or even cartoons it's still too unstable to do anything consistent?

>>150850991
Best example I could find.

>>150849019
Whether they like it or not, artists have a John Henry situation on their hands. They have to compete with a machine. If they filled niches that the machine couldn't then they would had stayed relevant. Like being pleasant people who foster a community around them. They went the opposite way and it cost them both a niche and people's sympathy.

The most boring part of AIjeets is their kafkaeqsue made-up nothings where they're reciting events that they can't even demonstrate happened, i.e. you're on a fucking ANONYMOU WEBSITE but don't even have actual screencaps or stories of these events that supposedly happened

>>150852438
I tried to link where it was compiled for you and got a 2 week global ban for attempting to submit a KF url lmao, so you will not be spoondfed today.

>>150852438
An anti AIfag traced AI art and started this drama >>150840991 Also
>Andrew Dobson professional artist traces pictures of big ben

>>150846427
There have always been hacks that have made bank doing nothing but appealing to the LCD group of retards, don't know why you're proud of it.

>>150852579
Partap Davis eats my fucking cock. Ever heard of a pastebin?

>>150852603
I didnt expect 4chan to still issue global bans for linking to a site theyre legally allied with at the moment lol
https://pastebin.com/nKxtSAx3

>>150841026
It slays me that people still think twitter numbers mean anything now, every "drama" is artificially manufactured and has no impact

>>150852406
WHEN JOHN HENRY WAS A LITTLE BOY

SITTING ON HIS DADDY'S KNEE

HE SAID, "IF I LIVE TO BE TWENTY-ONE"

I'M GONNA BE A COOM-DRAWING MAN!

>>150852632
Pretty sure the kiwifarms and 4chan alliance is more The enemy of my enemy is my friend

>>150852632
4Chan is somehow still a breeding ground for terrorism despite being more cucked than normie social media sites at this point.

>>150840374 (OP)
Some massive gay guy commissions some tranny to make sexually stupid art of their imaginary persona. The tranny artist does it says to the person don't put this into AI the fat ass person loser mind you both are completely losers proceeds to do it anyway goes into a massive meltdown because the artist calls them out. Whole bunch of AI supporters going to a massive defense Force to support some gay fat ass versus some tranny artists. Literally the gayest crap, that's how dumb this whole thing is you have people supporting the AI guy because he used AI ignoring the fact that he's a giant gay piece of crap and then you have artists supporting the transgender freak ignoring the fact that it's a transgender freak.

>>150840991
That's how it's ALWAYS worked. Commissioning an artist does not mean you get to use that art commercially for instance

>>150840374 (OP) literally every major website is now effectively filtering AI art out of them. The bubble is popping, I don't know how many Indians are going to die when openai goes bankrupt but it's going to be a lot of them. Most of the people post on this place anymore are bots. It's really sad to see the way the internet has gone, they should have just nuked India and all these problems have gone away. If I was President I would be sending all sorts of nuclear weapons to Pakistan and tell them to just do it get rid of them

>>150840374 (OP)
Intellectual property has done immeasurable damage to human creativity.

>>150853042
This is one of the most dumbest statements I've ever heard of my life, every person with no creativity says intellectual property rights somehow hurt them because they can't make Lord of the rings 2 with Superman and marvel crap because that's all these guys can think about. Have you ever heard of the comic called the pro it's literally a parody of DC comics and marvel and they didn't use copyrighted characters. That's how stupid you are you can literally make things that are almost exactly like the thing you want to make just change a few things that's what the writer of Twilight did they originally wrote Harry Potter fanfiction. You are arguing for Harry Potter fanfiction to make money because you're so intellectually stupid you can't come up with something as simple and idiotic as Twilight. so you can't use Superman just make a Superman like thing like they did with the boys you dumb piece of crap I'm so tired of idiots pretending that they're being held back by copyright law because they can't think of anything but what is shoved in their brain from Hollywood. On top of that there's an entire domain of public characters but these guys are so stupid they can't even go look them up

>>150853102
>you can just create really similar things instead, it's basically the same thing
Okay, then why do they need intellectual property if it doesn't matter?

>>150853151
Because they get money from uncreative people like you. If you make something you should get paid for it and if it's something that is popular as you get more money for it you dumb piece of crap. But what do I expect from Indian living at home with his parents. You really think intellectual property some help prevents people from creating but it is the easiest thing to get around if you have a working brain but what do I expect from a prompter. When Sora 2 came out the first thing all the idiots did was they made SpongeBob because that's only thing they're little tiny brains could think of. I don't even dislike AI I just hate these stupid uncreated people thinking they're such geniuses because they generated SpongeBob making meth

>>150840706
>AI art is garbage.

It is. But using AI to create photo perfect porn of people you know: priceless.

>>150840374 (OP)
GOOD MORNIGN SIRS

>>150853227
You do know the president signed a law banning that and the FBI is now coming after people for crap like that. They're literally going to bring the hammer down on the whole AI generative thing. Hell they're throwing dudes in jail for generating cheese pizza and all the AI tech Bros can't even understand it. They're going to make AI into normie crap and bring in a digital ID and you're going to have to log on to the internet with that ID. All AI is going to end up doing is destroy the internet as we know it and create a crappy kid friendly corporate internet. Like they've been trying to do for years but now they got an excuse because all you dumbass AI bros fell for their scam and don't understand how they're going to turn it off and use it all against you and say oh those evil Russians or Chinese are using it so now the only news you get is from newspapers and anything that they don't want you to see is fake and generate it why do you think they gave it to you free dummy

>>150841213
>getting triggered by some random retarded furry on TWITTER enough to make a thread about it
This board is for the birds, good GOD.

>>150840991
This is why nobody is fighting for artfags over this shit. They are just an insufferable bunch.

>>150841213
>been active for 2 years
You mean the exact amount of time GenAI started getting traction? Also he's an obvious AIfag, he's just tracing it instead of just posting them wholesale.

>>150853319
Yeah I know that but its artists defending them not other ai gooners

>>150840374 (OP)
If commissioning isn't owning, then why the fuck would any writer worth his salt pay a creative team to develop their scripts? All this does is fuck the writer over because they wouldn't be able to sell the finished product even after paying them outrageous fees for development. It takes at least 10 grand to get a basic comic made assuming you don't want it to look like complete shit. Pencils, inks, letters, cover artist, and an editor if you really need one. That shit is EXPENSIVE, and if I still don't own it after that, then why did I even pay them?

>>150853428
If you don't like the artist terms of service don't commission it dummy. That's how capitalism works you freaking communist. You don't want what the artist is selling because the artist has a bunch of rules then don't buy from them it's not that hard but I guess for communist AI supporters who think everything is theirs and property rights don't exist what do I expect from a communist

>>150853428
Because that's not how collaborative works...work. You get paid for the writing they get paid for the art. Usually in the grown up world this comes in the form of royalties or a percentage of the earnings.
Not that it matters because nobody cares about your ideas.

>>150853450
Okay, so some are going to say no and some yes. Just finding the right person is the issue.

>>150853454
Implying this is a collaboration. It's like you don't understand the concept of a hired gun. I'm purposely paying them upfront for all work because I specifically don't want to partner with them in the future. And most artists don't work on a project for the prospect of getting paid later. They ain't doing that work for free, so the writer has to pay the artist for their initial upfront work, and then keeping paying in the event its successful? That shit don't fly.

>>150853505
The artist had a term of service which was a crappy thing to do but again you didn't need to pay for that artist. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand but if an artist has a terms of service that consists of something about don't drop this into AI and you break that you're breaking their terms of service which is a jackass thing to do and commissioning art is not a right. You can literally go to another artist and get the same work done.

>>150853268
>Hell they're throwing scum in jail for generating cheese pizza
That's the upside of it

>>150853643
That same artist traced AI to do paid commissions so their TOS was worthless

>>150854722
That's not how any of this works you stupid Luddite. You stupid idiot gay piece of crap you signed a contract with an a-hole you're the one who signed the contract to get your stupid gay fetish crap made and then you broke the contract. Doesn't matter if the artist used AI if the artist was an AI artist and they told you not to feed their stuff into AI it would be the exact same thing but you are so dumb you don't understand you sign the contract

>>150854764
>trace ai
>upload to X where you agreed anything you post sill be used to train Grok
>Say people can't put your traced artwork in the AI you just put it in
Doesn't matter, unenforceable TOS

>>150854843
What is wrong with gay furry fat asses that they can't understand they are the ones who signed the contract not Twitter not Elon musk not the president of the United States they are the ones are they just incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions and have to pull out non sequiturs. You gay furry wanted fetish art of your stupid persona because you're so fat you don't want to go to the gym you want to pretend you have muscles on the internet so you paid some transgender artist to make you a stupid drawing part of that agreement and it was an agreement a contract was to not put it into AI. Is that so hard for you to understand but I can see what most you guys get AIDS and then proceed to blame everyone else. The world is not going to bow down and take responsibility for your own damn actions you're the one who commissioned it you're the one who agreed to the commission terms. But but but but but but this over here this over here you're the one shoveling this crap up your ass because you're so ugly like every gay furry you hide behind the mask because you're so ugly and you have to hide behind a drawing. You are so desperate to get this drawing you commissioned it you agreed to the conditions so why don't you kill yourself maybe you'll take some responsibility once in your life

>>150852744
SAID JOHN HENRY TO THE INDIAN, "A SIR AIN'T NOTHIN BUT MAN. AND BEFORE I LET THAT LLM BEAT ME I'LL DIE WITH MY STYLUS IN MY HAND OH LORD, DIE WITH MY STYLUS IN MY HAND!"

>>150840374 (OP)
How it's been for what this is about, pornographers, is that the artist wants to be able to double dip
>Release commissioned work behind patreon paywall
>Not transfer commercial use license/ownership despite not owning character 99.9% of the time to begin with

And sometimes that's a fair protection but usually isn't. Especially when commission/pricing is from the mind of a retarded reddit furry porn drawer who would get big mad if you made money off a T-shirt or whatever they drew and sold to you at the hourly of your average actually employed commercial artist. Some of these people think the "rights" to sonic inflation porn are worth thousands when they have trouble getting someone to pay $30 for a sketch+linework in the first place. And that makes dealing with them as someone who does actually want to go into business with them for some project very tedious or just makes it a nonstarter when they're talented but fucking retarded.

>>150840374 (OP)
but comissioning is owning. like literally. you're just not the fucking artist are these people dumb on purpose?

We get it, you want to jerk off to loli porn, but you can't because you don't have enough money to pay the artist, and they think that shit is gross so now you assume the west has fallen because they won't draw you loli porn for free

>>150855718
This but entirely sincerely.

>>150845637
>>150845700

t. Francis E. Dec Esq.

>>150855651
>but comissioning is owning. like literally.
No, it isn't, not according to the law. Commissioning is paying for the work, not the product. You only own a license to display the artwork.

>>150856948
>american law says consumers should get fucked in the ass and like it
Why is our court system retarded?

>>150857059
It's made that way so if some company say, pays you (or encourages you by contest) to design something, they can't just make it their mascot and never pay you without you explicitly waiving ownership. It's a good intention in practice, furry artists are just being dumb about it in the face of AI. Instead of selling their stuff with the express intent of giving up the rights (or being transparent that there is alternate pricing for that) they basically dont want to provide that as an option but still want commissioners to be content not owning art of their own OCs

>>150857059
>american
>our
This is just a copyright thing.

>>150857132
>considered making stuff with my ocs
>now realize im gonna have to make Brand X versions of them in case one of the artists i hang with goes full retard
Owari da, I guess its extremely unlikely but you never know
>>150857245
Copyright law is immoral and has been perverted into squatting

>>150857376
>Copyright law is immoral
>and has been perverted
Is it inherently immoral or not?

anon that has almost always been the case for years

>>150857487
Disney extended copyright law lol, what do you think? I dont really hate hate copyright but I despise it being used as a deterrent.

>>150857376
It's really simple anon. Just don't be a cunt. The people reeing in this thread forgot that simple rule and got blacklisted or otherwise treated in response to their shitty behavior.
And that's assuming they're not just making shit up entirely.

>>150857639
Literally defending someone that charges hundreds of dollars to trace AI for commissions because they dont want their traced AI being recycled.

>>150857973
Nobody knows what the fuck you are talking about.

>>150857132
>they basically dont want to provide that as an option but still want commissioners to be content not owning art of their own OCs
My dude, you can still do whatever you want to the gay furry porn in your private time you just can't be an obnoxious AIslopper and brag about it

>>150852322
Pretty drippy, looks like.

>>150858115
>you can do whatever you want except what I dont like, then I will DMCA the art you paid for.
So you can't.

>>150858239
This is a good thing, yes. If you want art you can do whatever you like to it then pay out for contractor prices. The only problem with copyright is when the big boys abuse it and only get away with it because they have a massive legal team. An individual person protecting their work is good.

>>150858325
This is fair, but don't lament the small guy industry shrinking when people opt to just proooompt instead and not deal with anybody contesting them modifying/goofing around with the result however they want.

>>150858115
Yeah but what if I want to Philipthe2nd the sketch I commissioned and you aren't cool about it like the wwoec oldheads because you're a gay redditor? That you're clutching pearls about it from this perspective says if you are some struggling artfag you're a nightmare to commission and not upfront about what your fees are. It's low rent to release commissioned works as promo or monthly art output for a fan tipjar site. It's stupid to undercharge by not considering the release in your price sheet, stupider to suddenly think it's priceless if someone wants to use it as more than a way to goon. This isn't the norm amongst the artfag circle, it's a landmine sometimes stepped on by the commissioner.

>>150858479
You can already do that anon, just don't be a retard and advertise it to the rest of the world

>>150858493
I've only ever doodled in the margins of school work in school years ago, I can't draw for shit. It's not "pearl clutching" to recognize that commissions don't give you carte blanche to do whatever you want with the finished bit. You buy the service of the drawing, not the art itself. Just find someone willing to play ball or shill out more for the right to do it if you really feel compelled to do something with it, it's that shrimple.

>>150858921
So you're just talking out your ass all to defend the least professional, least liked archetype amongst internet artfags
>...y tho

>>150859107
I'm not defending AIsloppers having a melty they can't use commissioned art work in their slop machine and brag about it tho

>>150859141
>Reflexively defending some fag who has a melty about img2img who also apparently uses AI for posing
>Guy having a meltie also the exact kind of faggot who can't figure out how to price art around usage rights (while drawing things they usually don't even own rights to in the first place) that harms the reputation of the industry as a whole for all actually compitent indie illustrators.

>>150840374 (OP)
sounds like that retard who though he owned the copyright for dune because he bought the artbook

AI is art troonism
proompter are trannys

>>150859350
That's really funny but commissioning artwork of your OC (that you already ostensibly own the copyright to) and not understanding that you don't own the art is a more reasonable misunderstanding.

>>150849275
>one artist decided to trace AI art
not only one

a couple ones,or even many more.

>>150859568
Its crazy common nowadays

>>150859489
Weird most anti AIfags I've seen so far are troons or onions boys

>>150840374 (OP)
For anyone curious as to why we're getting another AI spam wave; news broke recently that OpenAI subscriptions have, at best, stagnated in EU, and at worst started to decline.

This entire bubble has been predicated on the idea of infinite growth, so this development makes it obvious they're at the end of their rope here. These companies are ramping up the bot spam to advertose harder than ever. They're hoping to be able to dump their shares before the bubble pops, because it's clearly hitting sooner rather than later.

>>150861143
Do you also listen to Ed Zitron anon?

>>150861143
finally good news

>>150852406
At this point, AIshills are the desperate ones. The vast majority of people default to preferring things to be human-made, and AI companies don't even make money. Gen AI is too controversial (ie. all the lawsuits) and expensive to have a future.

>>150854764
First time I see an AIbro being called a "luddite"? Anon, was that sarcasm?

>>150859489
Why would Kaiji say this?

>>150841000
There is already shot all over the place. Half the world we live in looks like shit yet are others' definition of beautiful. This is nothing new.

>>150861222
Of course, he's one of the few that actually pegged this scam for what it was. So I'm sure he's ecstatic right now.