Thread 151113382

>ruins your show
Nothing personal kid.

The show was already shit, this was just another cancerous lump.

>>151113382 (OP)
It was ONE season, anon. Jerry's episode gives me hope for brighter days ahead

>>151113408
>It was ONE season
This shit has been going on since season 3.
>>151113394
Seasons 3-4 were good whenever her and summer weren't on the screen.

>>151113604
After Space Beth was revealed (season 4) she'd been mostly relegated to brief cameos aside from the infamous Bethcest episode. So pretty much a non-character until Season 8, which was essentially the "Beths" season where they addressed her role in the show beyond her Cousin Roy status.

I don't really care for Space Beth personally, but she at least gives Domestic(?) Beth something to do. If anything, it's Summer who's becoming the weakest link now

>>151113759
I know that summer ruined the show first, but at least she made sense as a character. Space beth is wish fulfillment fanfic tier. She showed up throughout seasons 6/7, and had more screentime than morty in 8. I actually like regular beth, but space beth is complete bullshit. It's a crime that a show about science adventures turned into a show about the writers' daddy issues.

>>151113382 (OP)
What is the point of this character?

>>151113919
Writer self-insert. And a psychological study of beth (both of them). The entirety of season 8 was about daddy issues

>>151113867
>and had more screentime than morty in 8
That was by design. The last season was the HUNTING MY NEMESIS season, so naturally the aftermath meant Rick addressing his found family of cross-dimensional Smiths and all the shit he's put them through before he started going to therapy, starting with his daughter(s). Sucks for anyone who can't stand Space Beth, but we at least got a decent "classic Rick and Morty adventure" with the Cryo episode and the aforementioned Jerry episode. I'm cautiously looking forward to next season since the writers really could go anywhere now

>>151114081
If space beth is still alive, then i don't think she's going away anytime soon. Wouldn't her death be symbolic of the reconciling of rick and beth's relationship?

>>151114133
As if it weren't bad enough that they made Rick and Morty immortal, the writers just HAD to conveniently bring Space Beth back to life in the latest finale, removing any impact that scene could've had.

Being a fan of this show becomes exhausting when the writers keep trying to expand the multiverse and the main cast's development while simultaneously removing any stakes. When making S3 they failed to see the issues that would come with making Rick so powerful all of a sudden, so now newer seasons sometimes leave us with moments that feel out-of-place because they have to start being selective with his--at this point, MAGICAL--abilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFmBQ7mwNvE&t=16s

Can he cure death or not? Lol doesn't even matter at this point

grass tastes bad

>>151113382 (OP)
I'm still pissed they didn't have the balls to let her stay killed off in the finale. That 30 seconds between Beth thinking she just murdered her clone in cold blood and Rick resurrecting her was the most interesting the show had been all season.

>>151114758
That’s a direct middle finger to the fans right there, that’s them saying we know you don’t like her but fuck you.

>>151114799
I don't expect Harmon to have that much self-awareness. The show's next four seasons are a mystery specifically because this man's mind is such an impenetrable labyrinth (derogatory)

>>151115021
He looks like shit for 52 y/o

>>151114002
Gay

>>151113382 (OP)
That dumb fucking blue streak in her hair pisses me off every time she's on screen

>>151113759
>After Space Beth was revealed (season 4) she'd been mostly relegated to brief cameos
Not true. The whole point of the character is supposed to be "what if Beth didn't have the obligations of family and could go on space adventures instead". She is explicitly meant to fuck off and not be part of the family.

Which makes it all the more jarring that they keep putting her in the show doing mundane stuff with the family like eating breakfast or watching TV. They keep doing this even if Space Beth has nothing to do with the plot as if she is just a core member of the family now that is just expected to always be hanging out with the Smiths.

Space Beth is already a lame character but if the writers insist on trying to make her a thing they should just use her sparingly making brief appearances every now and then like what they do with characters like Birdperson.

>>151114081
>The last season was the HUNTING MY NEMESIS season
That was like 2 seasons ago where they went after Rick Prime, but I don't blame you for forgetting season 8 exists since it was pretty forgettable.

>>151113382 (OP)
She didn't ruin the show. Getting rid of Justin Roiland ruined the show.

>>151115249
Between that and the side cut, it very much feels like something a 40 year old thinks would make someone look cool and edgy

>>151115673
This, always this. Say what you will about him, but his influence was what kept the show balanced between wacky comedy and melodrama. Now we have a writers room that takes the show too seriously with no unified consensus, pulling the show in too many directions and favoring every character but the title duo.

>>151115701
His autistic ass wasn't even contributing to the writers room

If multiple people can confirm that all he did was sit on his ass and contributed LOL RANDOM XD bullshit once every 4 sessions to the writer's room then his role could be fulfilled by chatgpt or a 12 year old.

Next time he should consider talking to women his own age before he's kicked out of his show.

>>151115226
Alcoholism will do that

>>151115751
>Next time he should consider talking to women his own age
How about not trying to get sexually involved with co-workers, you didn't have to include your seethe about age gaps in that lad.

>>151113382 (OP)
She's hot though

So much of Space Beth's character is "being sardonic and rude is cool" and I wish I could scream into the writers room that it isn't.

>>151113867
Morty for seasons now has suffered from the fact that they keep waffling on if he is still an awkward sidekick or if he has grown into Rick Junior.
Either way there is no real growth happening just two kinds of stagnancy where regardless after so many seasons he is "solved" and they want to focus on other characters to the detriment of the core concept.

>>151116061
he was texting minors

>>151114002
>The entirety of season 8 was about daddy issues
You mean just the Loli Beths episode, right?

>>151116368
>being sardonic and rude is cool

It's a problem for both Beths. I've almost completely forgotten that Season 3 Beth was still this jaded cunt who ignores her family or acts like Rick because she never got over him going out for milk and cigarettes.

>>151113382 (OP)
Why hasn’t Jerry attempted a threesome yet?
Is he stupid?

>>151113382 (OP)
Both Beths are destined to be miserable

>>151113759
>infamous episode

You all are a bunch of bitches, that was a great episode and probably my favorite Beth focused one

Having two Beths is great. Now if we could only get Summer to appreciate her friends more.

>>151115345
She isn't a core member but canonically she is hooking up regularly with Jerry and Space Beth.

>Which makes it all the more jarring that they keep putting her in the show doing mundane stuff with the family like eating breakfast or watching TV.

Its actually a sign of growth in SB, she has accepted that she misses her family and can both be an adventurer and a member of the family albeit a less involved one. I can't even blame you for this one though since they don't spell it out.

>>151116734
Hasn’t that been happening?

>>151117193
It's pushing believably enough that Rick is apparently the smartest person in almost infinite universes but whatever we can just go with it because that's the core concept of the show.

It becomes extra stupid when they started making a big deal about bringing in female writers to the show which COINCIDENTALLY coincided with Summer and Beth seeming like female writer self-inserts where they are for some reason hyper competent badasses that can single handedly defeat entire alien Armies.

>>151113382 (OP)
"ruins" implies this garbage Redditor stiffly-animated millenial show was ever good in the first place.

>>151117161
Oh I didn't hate it personally, don't get me wrong, but the fandom is just that excited to jump at the writers' throats at the slightest edgy misstep. "Bethic Twinstinct" was fine enough as the show's first unironic bottle episode, but I do hate that the outrage it brought about completely overshadowed one of my favorite later episodes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slKgr9tU9oQ

>>151117227
Ill never understand why people get so hung up about women in a writing room. Its not like this is the first day of it, its not 1955.

I think every character is suffering from the hyper competent when the writers want them to be bug. Morty and Jerry are just as able to destroy anything the writers could think of now. I think its why they are starting to play with aging summer and morty up regularly

>>151117227
this moment was a parody of over-the-top climaxes loaded with shlocky fanservice

>>151117763
>its why they are starting to play with aging summer and morty up regularly
Regularly? Wasn't it just the one episode?

>>151116566
No, the entire season.
>Rick and Space Beth adventure about their strained relationship
>that farmer Rick who created all of the Morties on his asteroid who was basically their father
>the Young Beths episode
>Rick pretending to be that kid who was an asshole to his parents and starting to enjoy his time with them
>Morty reuniting with Morty Jr. and their negative relationship
>the entire finale about Beth through different memory timelines venting out her frustrations to her father

>>151115364
By "last season," I meant the one preceding Season 8, which the anon I responded to had initially brought up.

>Seasons 4-5: mostly aimless and experimental since they were the first of the massive 70-episode order
>Season 6: portal travel is messed up; Rick starts bonding with the cross-dimensional found family he's formed a lasting attachment toward; begins therapy
>Season 7: Rick Prime season; Rick now needs to find a new purpose in life
>Season 8: said new purpose starts with fixing his relationship with his daughters
>Seasons 9-12: ???

>>151115751
>If multiple people can
Multiple people lied about him. That argument has no power here.

Solar Opposites died without him. Now Rick and Morty will as well.

>>151116734
That was literally the ending of the Bethcest episode.

>>151113382 (OP)
Never seen a show turned to shit so fast like R&M. It did have such good potential as well.

>>151119577
it wasn't though. they both taunt jerry and make him watch as they have sex. he was into it since he has a cuck and humiliation fetish, but it wasn't a threesome.

>>151119952
No, it was a threeway. I'm pretty sure he brags about it later.

>>151117191
I swear if you made it so Summer had Tricia's design but with red hair I'd actually believe all the incest maniacs pushing Summer/Morty slop

>>151117795
Yeah and it was better than what they actually went with

>>151117191
>>151120202
It's being worked on.

>>151113382 (OP)
yeah you're giving her too much credit, season 3 was the start of the end

>>151120283
that is NOT Summer with Tricia's design, that's just Summer, where the HELL is the miniskirt and giant cleavage hanging out of a braless top with dick sucking lips

>>151113382 (OP)
Space beth is the exact corny writer's pet sci-fi character the vindicators episodes was making fun and she's played 100% straight. It's like Poochie getting multiple dedicated episodes with zero jokes about him.

>>151120313
I mean, I probably would've drawn that if you had asked more politely, but now I'm definitely going to go do something else with my time.

>>151120660
I WASN'T ASKING YOU, DUMBASS

>retard replies to a post
>poster responds to the retard
>DURR I WASN’T REPLYING TO YOU

>>151113382 (OP)
Agreed the whole point of this character was a basic fuck you to the family am a independent woman. I hate the fact she keep reappearing with the family adverts from the whole point of the character.

>>151113382 (OP)
>Nothing personal kid.
I am an adult, sir. And I don't even watch this regularly like the rest of you did. Which I'm glad I didn't.

>>151113382 (OP)
Her loli version is more memorable than this adult version. Cunny wins.

>>151113394
FPBP

>>151117227
I am still very angry about how abruptly they ended the Tammy storyline. I liked her character, I wanted to see more.

>>151117869
>>151120377
What happened to Adventure Time happened to this show.
>Both started off as fun adventure shows with two buddies
>Became more about the female characters and their feelings (specifically towards their dads) until they took over the show
Beth and Space Beth = Marceline and Bubblegum
Rick = Simon
They even used the same song for them on both shows

>>151125101
>They even used the same song for them on both shows

I believe the framing of Beth being wakened and following into the Cheers theme was a reference to Fiona & Cake.

>>151125166
Isn't simon on that show too? That's what i should have said

>>151125101
Can't believe i forgot to mention, they both became lesbians too

>>151125101
Unlike Adventure Time, Rick and Morty had zero chance of not being a daddy issues show because the premise of season 1 was that Rick was returning to Beth and her family after being absent for decades

>>151124672
Tammy was hot

I remember watching the commentary on Space Beth and they really do treat her like she's this golden idea. You're stuck with Space Beth forever now.

>>151124672
Women on a pedestal over and over. Men get shit like "Pissmaster".

>>151117763
Because nobody should know or care about the gender of the writing room. I should be able to sit down, watch media and be entertained. I shouldn't have to question why there is particularly bad writing which seems to favor female characters.

>>151115751
>Next time he should consider talking to women his own age before he's kicked out of his show.
More like Next time he should reconsider holding back production and regularly pissing off all his coworkers/employees because he can't simply come in, do the voices, and leave to go buy more booze or RC cars or whatever.

Roiland's sexcapades could've easily been swept under the rug or painted more lightly with the right Hollywood PR team had he still been a valuable member of his shows' productions, but he made himself increasingly a burden and his position on the show relatively easy to replace.

>>151126046
>Because nobody should know or care about the gender of the writing room.
Cause if the show turns into dogshit and you find out its nothing but women and trannies, it's a "bad look". Fuck right off with that noise.

>>151113382 (OP)
She's a scrappy doo. Not necessarily what ruins the show but a clear symptom.

>>151113382 (OP)
At least it gave us some selfcest stuff. Selfcest is based. Also the show was ruined way before this.

>>151115701
>pulling the show in too many directions and favoring every character but the title duo
THIS. Even the few times they do pair up the titular duo in later seasons, their dynamic doesn't flow quite as well as it used to. It's fine to expand to stories involving the larger cast, but Rick and Morty have to remain the writers' priority above all else. That upcoming President spin-off is highly indicative of how little self-awareness the current creative team has. "Rick and Morty But Without Rick and Morty" is NOT the easy sell they think it must be.

I disagree about the current writers "[taking] the show too seriously," though. They still TRY to balance Harmon's character drama with Roiland's wacky humor, but the latter only ever lands maybe half the time, often resorting to gore or the cringiest sex jokes when they can't think of anything more clever.

>one of the better S8 episodes was penned by NICK RUTHERFORD
Is he improving, or have our standards for the show just dropped that low?

>>151113382 (OP)
>too many possible options of secondary/minor characters to make them recurring and they go and choose Beth 2
that shit would never not being funny

Should've stayed as a little girl

>>151120660
Retarded ass entitled baby. What he wanted was pretty explicitly clear to people that know English.

>>151120660
Haven't seen you in a while Swain, what happened?

>>151113382 (OP)
the infinite rick thing was what killed the show for me. firing the main actor would have done it otherwise.

>>151113382 (OP)
Filtered

>>151129648
What do you mean? Central Finite Curve is one of the coolest ideas from this show. I'm still curious to see how they continue to toy with the concept

>>151131054
R&M would be more enjoyable if they explored universes outside the CFC, where Rick is just a regular grandpa. It sounds like a boring concept but it deviates from the standard formula that the other episodes/seasons have.

>>151131054
>>151131082
I’m not the poster you were replying to btw. I just felt it was relevant to bring up.

>>151128194
My standards for the show haven't dropped--Marder seems to really care about making RaM the best it can be, even if he's not as "with it" as he might think he is--but Season 8 was definitely forgettable. Even the finale was a resounding meh for me.

After they dumped the marriage plotline and gave her "I desperately and obnoxiously plea for Rick's affection" trait to Summer, they needed to give Beth something or she'd practically be a background character.

I think the Space Beth thing works .It's a permanent reminder to both Beths that her father is a piece of shit, and as pointed out in the age regression episode theirs nothing really wrong with their lives nor is there anyone to blame for their depression especially Jerry. Through space beth we also got a better look at the federation and the space mercenary crew she works with, which I liked.

>>151113382 (OP)

This show is highly satanic because it is athesit and mocks Jesus

>>151113382 (OP)
>If I went out into space I would be a badass super solider capable of taking down a galactic empire even though I had no training or desire for actual military or police work on earth
This should be how you write an overweight neckbeard and the punchline would be seeing them clean space toilets. It's funny how they nail what an adventure would be like for a normal person everytime with Jerry but go full on fanfic self insert with Beth.

>>151131054
it's just lazy, and boring.

What ever happened to Rick and Summer’s incest baby?

>>151132600
^Morty and Summer’s incest baby?

>>151132519
Beth is her father's daughter. It really isn't any deeper than that, anon.

>>151132652
>could have permanently given her hyper breasts
this is why Rick and Morty can only wither and die, it's a show built around perverted and fucked up premises that it cannot and will not explore because it's a prime time TV show

>>151132672
Right?

>>151132679
it's amazing it happened at all, "lets take this inherently degenerate and fucked up premise that belongs in the Newgrounds hentai section and make it into a full TV show where we never have any of the fucked up hentai happen"

I'm just gunna post more big-bap summer until someone politely asks me to stop.

>>151132732
Please stop

>>151132753
Okay you got it.

>>151132753
like her, they straight up encourage hard /ss/ in the show but run away from Summer having permanently huge tits or wetting herself, absolutely bizarre inconsistency

>>151113382 (OP)
The writers they brought after season 2 was what ruined the show.

>>151132753
>>151132778
I didn't even realize she was Morty's girlfriend from that one episode, neat.

>>151117763
Because they hired women writers. Not good writers who happen to be women.

>>151132872
>I didn't even realize she was Morty's girlfriend from that one episode, neat.
it's surprising they brought her back at all, you'd think they'd want to pretend that episode didn't happen

Any little Beth requests? Just her

>>151133036
one daring the other to chug horse semen

>>151133036
Small Beth(s) using the expansion laser.

>>151114758
More seasons mean they need characters to pad them.

>>151117763
Being a woman in the entertainment industry is like being a minority on 4chan. If I can tell from the way you write, you have failed.

>>151133199
false image, Tricia is CLEARLY a nopan fanatic

>>151133216
Fish don't wear pants, yeah.

>>151133050
No, you gross motherfucker

>>151133233
This isn't Terrible, is it?

>>151133244
No idea. These images are from like season 1-times.

Rick & Morty's problem is that it's both an edgy sci-fi adult comedy AND a standard family sitcom. The latter really drags back its potential and limits what can be done with the main cast, especially when it comes to jokes.

In contrast, Futurama and Smiling Friends and Grimsburg THRIVE as workplace sitcoms where no one's related and there isn't a snot-nosed brat taking up so much space. Anything goes! An adult cartoon centered on kid protagonists is always a risk, and South Park is one of the few to have actually made it work. Rick & Morty? Just look at how they abandoned the high school.

>>151133036
Little Beth playing in the mud, covered in mud. No murdergore, just innocent things.

>>151133258
I'm gonna say it is, based in the sag of this one

>>151133272
>Anything goes!
which is the problem I described before where they keep trying to have their cake and eat it too. even though Morty is a kid they're fine showing him fucking older women, and the whole kid-Beth stuff reeked of fetishism they wouldn't dare commit to. they keep pushing up against a line they never, ever intend to cross and it's boring as shit

>>151133272
Family Guy and American Dad made it work.

>>151133373
yeah but Family Guy never tries to have an overarching plot or serious moments, it's purely a sitcom dark comedy

>>151133389
Boondocks and Venture Bros made it work.

>>151117763
>Ill never understand why people get so hung up about women in a writing room. Its not like this is the first day of it, its not 1955.
The anon you're replying to literally said why you stupid faggot

>>151133455
I don't know about boondocks but venture bros made it work because they were still able to integrate the one off adventure feel along with the overarching plot even when it became more prominent

>>151113394
This, cancerous from the start but getting cancerous more and more

WIP
https://files.catbox.moe/pte6nu.jpg

>>151135475
Ok that one made me kek

>>151126459
He didn't employ them CN did. That's why they felt like they had an option to cop an attitude against him if they wanted.

>>151135475
Nice

>>151132753
Them not taking Summer actually made me laugh.

Space Beth episodes are uniquely bad because it feels like the show gets hijacked by this aging miserable wine mom who really wants to kill herself.

Bump

>>151137551
>it feels like the show gets hijacked by this aging miserable wine mom who really wants to kill herself
that's exactly what happens
kind of amazing how Rick & Morty treat suicidal depression as this godly force that never lets go, even when completely free to explore the endlessness of space and time, this fucking woman is STILL utterly miserable and wants to die, it's unbelievably boring

>>151137551
It doesn't help that the only time she's fun is when she's a kid. As an adult, she has almost no energy outside of whining and insulting.

All she had to do was ask her father to take her on horse adventures or something, and be a little proactive.

I have a solution for everyone
Space Beth becomes a kid and stays that way
Earth Beth remains an adult