Thread 151147188

>see the Gravity music video
>Thought Adam was a good person who died in tragic circumstances
>Thought the show was like Blue Eyed Samurai or Arcane
>Turns out Adam was a narcissistic genocidal asshole who 100% deserved it
>The show is the most Tumblr zany lesbian shit ever

>>151147188 (OP)
>Thought Adam was a good person who died in tragic circumstances
And you thought that because... the girl in the video you saw was trashing the room and talking about bloodthristy revenge against innocents?
Anon I hate to tell ya this, but your media literacy is fucking abysmal

There is literally nothing wrong with slaughtering sinners.

>>151147469
>innocents

>>151147535
Lute, aren’t you supposed to be polishing Abel’s harp right about now?

>>151147188 (OP)
The only reason I hate Adam, Lute, and Sera is their hypocrisy. They allow the QUEEN of Hell itself to illegally enter Heaven and somehow they aren't punished by God? This is horrid writing. If God could detect treachery in the Garden of Eden believe me God would detect it in his own Heavenly territory.

The fact Lute and Sera aren't punished for breaking Heaven's law is clear bad writing. At least Adam got his soul destroyed.

>>151147539
yes, anon, innocents. multiple innocent people. i wasn't trying to say innocence.
your ACTUAL literacy isn't much better.

>>151147535
The only sinners I feel bad for as examples like Pentious because as was shown he never did anything evil nor did he sadistically enjoy seeing others become victims. And yet he was thrown in Hell along with the serial killers, drug junkies, rapists of all types, etc. Such awful writing.

>>151147576
Even woketards can't be this stupid

>>151147188 (OP)
>>151147469
>Adam killed our respectable rapists, cannibals, murderers, and fornicators.
>And he killed our greatest icons that abused our sinners the most.
>He caused our soul contracts to dissapear by every year that passes.
>And we end up with less jobs.
>And now our greatest porn star goes to some preachy hotel.
>We have lost our great culture and our greatest national treasure! We will never get another Angel Dust to fill in that void of our depressed nation.
>We must make Hell great again!

>>151147563
Adam and Lute didn’t break the law and neither of them likely wanted Lilith (Eve) there in the first place, but aren’t really strong enough to toss her out.

But Sera in retrospect is really awful.

>>151147539
It's how Adam haters try to make his actions look unjustified. They will also say he's "just as bad" as the people-eaters for targeting them while the people-eaters would eat ACTUAL innocents, or that he does it ONLY for fun, which ignores all other context but a single line of a song sung after he was already pissed off from having one of his soldiers killed and even then explains other facets of his views and in their mind invalidates the benefit extermination provides for non-people-eaters. Hell is a bad place for bad people who are a threat to good people. You can dance around this fact and cherry-pick Charlie's pet woobies all you want, but these cretins are cosmically sorted into the trash heap, where their very existence is a continued threat.

>>151147711
Adam is pretty much the only sane character in the show.

>>151147829
So I'm walking down the street and this girl is freaking out

>>151147860
She's just staring at me now. What do O do bros?

>>151147608
If there's a Hell in real life, and it's anything like Hellaverse Hell, Trump will be an Overlord a week after he dies.

>>151147469
>media literacy
Go back to bluesky, your kind isn't wanted here

>>151148273
i've been here longer than you

>Adam kills Sir Pentious
>Lute: Pentious killed Adam!

>>151148343
Attempted murder is still wrong.

>>151148343
I swear to god, viv should just design characters and have actual writters deal with the damn show.

>>151148474
on a sinner? nah thats 100% justified.
>>151148479
and to add to my shitty post, the fanfics and fancomics had officially surpassed the source by a lot.

>>151148507
I mean that Sir Pentious attempted to murder Adam.

>>151148521
Like barely attempted. Adam straight shot that shit down.

>>151148343
>Woman is emotional over dead lover and daughters
>Surprised she acts unreasonable
What?

>>151147188 (OP)
Many such cases

>>151147188 (OP)
>The show is the most Tumblr zany lesbian shit ever
Yes. The good news is those zany lesbians kinda know they are shitty people, so most of the story is about tormenting their souls over and over

What if hazbin was made by a Slavic person?

>>151147576
>multiple innocent people
such as cannibals and the literal antichrist?

>>151148479
>>151148507
>Asmodeus is Adam and Lilith's child
I've seen a few fics with this, how did it come about?

>>151150973
>Show has no women at all now
>Still less gay than original

>>151151878
>I've seen a few fics with this, how did it come about?
just like there is a myth about eve and lucifer having a one night stand...there were myths about lilith disguising herself as eve and fucking adam.
some myths even say that lilith spent 130 years moonlighting adam.
essentially, the only thing that both lucifer and adam will ever agree on is the fact that their wives are crazy...and both are even in that regard.
eve cheated on adam with lucifer and lilith cheated on lucifer with adam.

>>151151978
so in conclusion, one of adam's kids wasn't his and charlie wasn't the first kid of lilith.

>>151147188 (OP)
>The show is the most Tumblr zany lesbian shit ever
how did you not know this
it's the whole point of the show

>Season 3 is just different characters from Heaven and Hell showing up unannounced and bugging Cain
>Lute keeps trying to convince him to remove Abel and lead the Exorcists
>Charlie wants to showcase him as a celebrity figure of redemption
>Vaggie uses him to vent her frustrations about his dad
>Emily tries to bring him joy, only to annoy him with her attempts
>IMP keeps trying and failing to kill him (he doesn't mind Loona though cause she reminds him of the dog God gave him)
>Stolas, Stella and Octavia each keep sharing their family drama with him, despite his vehement lack of interest
>DHORKS keep breaking down his door to interrogate him about the paranormal (while ignoring the fact that he is The Cain)

>>151148273
>Having an IQ above room temperature and not being mentally retarded isn't welcome here
Good to know

How do you guys think Angel will be redeemed ?

>>151152486
No, he's gay.

>>151151166
I didn't say every person ever was totally free of all crime and sin
But they ARE all innocent of Adam's death, as it was self-defense.
Also, Lute is specifically targeting Vaggie and Charlie, who are both literally completely innocent. They're not sinners, one's a fallen Angel who just didn't want to massacre people, and the other is hellborn.

>>151147469
I thought so because she was very deeply in love with his soul. Which is extremely jarring since Adam is a horrible person.

>>151152486
Forgiving Val.

>>151154258
> Also, Lute is specifically targeting Vaggie and Charlie,
You act like those two didn’t go in with the motive of declaring war.

>>151154776
Post a scene where they're declaring war

>>151154674
Adam is honestly a better person than Sera and Emily who seemingly don’t really care about anything at all about the immense destruction Pentious and Charlie were involved with at all, despite the option they have in not participating in some elaborate war effort.
It’s just that one Sinner was redeemed and was good, that Sera and Emily dropped any idea that the Sinners are trauma inducing monsters even to themselves.

>>151154818
The moment Charlie goes to cannibal town and organizes an entire army and Vaggie elaborately prepares herself with the intention of killing exorcists.

>>151154843
That's after they went with a peace offering twice and got told to fuck off. You reap what you sow, no?

>>151147188 (OP)
He's a cool manly guy who deserves that much loving intensity from a girl like Lute. Is all

>>151154820
Yes yes anon, you sympathize with a psycho killer more than someone trying to keep things peaceful because you're mentally stuck as an edgy teenager for all eternity. I'm glad you don't have any IRL power.

>>151154854
Peace offerings with Hell immediately backfire within just a single season for Charlie and Heaven.
Which is something Adam would fully expect. There’s also the issue about redemption being 100% impossible in the eyes of Hell and Heaven, and Lucifer himself approving the exterminations because he hates how evil these people are.

>>151154843
in self defense
they're not invading heaven

>>151154890
>you sympathize with a psycho killer
Sinner defenders ought to be careful with this accusation.

>>151154890
Charlie doesn’t know how to make things peaceful.
She organizes an extremely dangerous experiment to try to force Angel Dust be redeemed in front of the camera.
And as much Vox was mocking Charlie about the lack of evidence in a playful manner, he was genuinely angry with her.

>>151152486
He slaps his dad and says he deserved to die, makes peace with his brother and sister.

>>151152486
They'll find his dad in Hell and he'll reconcile somehow.

>>151154776
War was ongoing. Heaven was regularly invading Hell. All they did was defend their home from a biannual genocide.

>>151148273
It is a real thing. What else are you supposed to call it? Hidden messages or meanings? Bluesky didn't invent literary critique you myopic retard.

>>151147539
You mean sinners. As in, in Hell for sinning. In Hell for not being innocent? Forget about media literacy you should try being regular literate for a start.

>>151154899
Give it a season or two.

>>151157584
for the purposes of this discussion, it doesn't matter what they do in the future

All these arguments are basically stemming from Vivsy pulling from Christian theology and then being really vague on what’s good and what’s evil. Christianity is pretty clear cut on needing Jesus to go to heaven but in HH it’s all wishy washy undefined “be nice” nonsense that causes all manner of plot issues.
Is Adam a bad guy? If so why he in Heaven? If bad people are in Heaven why bother getting people into it? What makes someone in hell innocent or not? What sets the residents of heaven apart? If it’s literally just “be 51% good” how are they still allowed to be there if they genocide for recreation? Who’s making the rules? Obviously something is putting people in one place or another so if angels are killing sinners in hell and they’re still in heaven does that mean it’s being sanctioned by God or whoever Vivsy is making decide who can get in?
She can make great animations but the writing is just a mess.

>>151147188 (OP)
>>Turns out Adam was a narcissistic genocidal asshole who 100% deserved it
How is the purges a genocide and how is adam an asshole beyond dooming humanity to sin, an error that is being corrected through the purges of the unredeemable in hell?

>>151147576
>>151154258
Retard.

>>151156291
>genocide
>>hell

>>151157821
the problem is multi-faceted:

>Viv can't worldbuild for shit (great job making Hell and Earth indistinguishable)
>despite Hell being a dystopia, Viv has to backpedal and insist the people in charge AREN'T bad people which undermines the setting being a crapsack in the first place
>the story's metaphysics practically beg it to be a Gnostic one that then transforms into a Buddhist one but Viv genuinely does not know what the Demiurge is despite ripping off Homestuck and is too afraid to portray God in the show, let alone YHWH as a Demiurge figure
>wants to depict her woobie OCs as undeserving of going to Hell despite it being pretty obvious that people go to Hell (and get into Heaven) for clear reasons - a distinction plainly exists, but Viv wants to make an exception for "undeserving" characters
>wants to imply that Heaven is to blame for why "innocent" people like Pentious go to Hell and get worse while not focusing on personal accountability
>suggests that redemption is founded on self-sacrifice rather than reformation/repentance and commitment to Good for its own sake

>>151157924
I would have far more respect if she went more into a Gnostic bent for the show's lore, but at that point there wouldn't be as much of a justification to have hell to begin with. It's ironically a shams because she could have gone far harder into sterotypically tripe lesbian/daddy issue shit with the likes of the Demiurge and his relationship to Sophia. Have the Archons be balls to the wall "heavenly looking figures who are turbo evil" motiff and the inner drama that comes from them trying to be the biggest suck up to the Demiurge, maybe even do a shit story about how the negative relationship the Demiurge has to Sophia and the higher powers is being recreated via his relationship to the Archons blah blah blah.

There is so many strings that a hack like Viv could pull with a world premise like that but instead she went for the one world building with the least amount of elbow room for anti-authority or moral grayness.

>>151158258
>It's ironically a shame*

>>151157821
I haven't even watched past season 1 but I know female writers are going to play the
>Actually people in hell aren't that bad
>Heaven is the real monster
Card because female writers are deathly allgeric to injecting any real complexity into their characters. Same with Arcane. Jinx goes from insane terrorist to goody two shoes.

>>151158421
Not the case, the only real villains in Heaven were Adam and the exorcists and they were dealt with in S1. Outside of one remaining devotee, Heaven is full of good guys and is not a negative force.