Thread 151221626

ITT: Tell me what you think about the current state of the comic industry

I’ve been waiting for it to burn to the ground for 35 years now and i’ve just about given up hope. At least there’s always the old stuff to go back to.

>>151221626 (OP)
It's in shambles. Every new comic I pick up is mediocre at best.
So far, I've checked out:
>Batman: Dark Patterns
>Batman and Robin: Year One
>Absolute
>Ultimate
>The Power Fantasy
>We're Taking Everyone Down With Us
>Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees
>The Moon is Following Us
>Exquisite Corpses
>The Seasons
>Space Ghost
I'm still aiming to read Assorted Crisis Events, Kaya, and the Ghost Machine books, but I have little faith in them.

>>151221626 (OP)
It's bad and honestly, it feels like anyone with taste left a long time ago. Looking at /co/, these motherfuckers eat up the most mediocre crap imaginable and are obsessed with capeshit. Back in the day at least /co/ knew events were bullshit,. nowadays events get 10x more discussion than the (shitty but) currently running well liked runs.

>>151221626 (OP)
Indies are always great, but I wonder if there's any way to make comics more attractive to the general public. Outside of the Big 2, and honestly outside of Image.

>>151221949
>I wonder if there's any way to make comics more attractive to the general public
there isnt

>>151221626 (OP)
Better than it was a decade ago

why should i

>>151221949
The answer is >>151221968 as a direct result of >>151221911

The current comics industry is beyond salvaging because the bar for quality has dropped well below what anyone shoulder have ever tolerated, and it still never got so bad that comics fans stopped buying it. DC and Marvel have managed to poison the industry so thoroughly that you honestly have better odds of getting a normie to believe you that this hentai you want to show them legitimately has plot and worldbuilding thats worth sitting through all of the porn scenes for than you are to convince that normie that any given comic is actually good and they should read it.

>>151221949
>Indies are always great
Fuck no.

>>151222010
Is it really? It’s felt like the same kind of out-of-touch white noise for decades now.

>>151222064
Lumping in DC with Marvel is disingenuous, the former always did try to put out some quality content out there and didn't have the sleazy, scammy and hate filled attitude that the latter ever had. Furthermore, Image is a bigger stain on the history of the industry and to this day they have failed to truly make masterpieces, if I were to make a collage of the best 25 comics in history, I could easily fill half of it with DC comics but no Image comic would actually make that cut.

>>151222010
I doubt it.

>>151222010
It's been the same for a decade now. It felt like things were looking better and then in the late 10s things went south and it never recovered.

>>151221626 (OP)
The vast majority of comic book franchises would have been far better off staying dead.

>>151222212
Less sensationalist
At least compared to what a decade ago had

>>151221949
>Indies are always great
How? They use the same writers as capeshit.

BUMP

>>151221626 (OP)
Pretty abysmal, particularly the big 2.

I’m down to like 6 titles on my pull industry wide

>>151221870
Many of these have finished

>>151221626 (OP)
There is no comics industry, just like there’s no publishing and no movies. Everything just stopped in 2008.

>>151221626 (OP)
Better now than it was before at least a couple of years ago
I know comics are still niche but I noticed there are more younger fans who know capeshit like the back of their hand
Say what you will about Absolute Batman, it's got new readers (and more importantly people buying)
Say what you will about Invincible but its animated adaptation helped get people more interested in comics outside of Marvel/DC (and unfortunately not beyond more capeshit)

>>151221626 (OP)
It's dying.

>>151221626 (OP)
It’s a great time for reprints.

>>151221870
Sounds like you're just jaded. Stop reading comics if you don't like them.

>>151225554
I love comics.

>>151221626 (OP)
no
make up your own mind

>>151221626 (OP)
Disaster

>>151221626 (OP)
Things have never been better :)

shared universes should die.

time for new 52 part 2

>>151221870
>Assorted Crisis Events
Interesting gimmick if a bit soapboxy
>Kaya
Genuinely love this one, it's a fun post-apoc/fantasy adventure story.
>Ghost Machine books
Johns only makes by the numbers slop and this is no exception

It occured to me that no one reads comics for fun any more. There are no uplifting, inspiring adventures.

Kamala Khan was fun for a long time, but even now she's been dragged down into the X-men's nihilistic mud.

Comics constantly talk about how shitty their world is and how meaningless any changes to the status quo are, and frankly, I'm tired of it. It feels cowardly. Either have the world not be that bad, or stop acting like calling out how shitty it is is addressing it in any meaningful way.

i've been reading old comics from the past. there is some really good stuff. independent comics all want to be like image and there is a weird cult-like following around them not in a good way. they take conflict marketing too seriously and lie about it.

it makes sense when the bigger independent comics are ran by people who have mormon backgrounds, its always the mormons

>>151229827
>Kamala Khan
Jesus fucking Christ

>>151221626 (OP)
It's pretty good right now

>>151232246
what do you read ?

>>151221626 (OP)
Sad

>>151232260
Bump. Also curious.

>>151221626 (OP)
We've talked about it a million times already

>>151221626 (OP)
umm WOKE WOKE WOKE TROON TROON!!!!!!!
and jews too! WOKE JEWS!!! TROON WOKE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>151233820
Nah.
>>151233838
True.

>>151221626 (OP)
Comics are a thriving industry and always have been if you look beyond capeshit, which none of you retarded americans ever seem to do

>>151234516
Wrong.

i really thought that it was mine

>>151236188
Wrong thread?

>>151237047
Is that at a yes?

>>151234516
Name 10 good current comics that aren't capeshit.

>>151238959
>crickets

>>151239483
kek

>>151238959
Still nothing.

>>151239483
>>151240071
>>151240731
>>151238959
Not him
>Drome
>Lucas Wars
>Kaya
>Assorted Crisis Events
>Beneath the Trees
>Dr. Werthless
>A Wizard of Earthsea
>Life Drawing
>Nights
>The Sacrificers
Most of these are standalone releases rather than floppies but that's most of my reading nowadays along with older works

>>151240893
>Not him
Then don't respond. I'm interested in what that specific anon has to offer.

>>151241289
give up
hes not going to post anything

>>151240893
He said good.

>>151221626 (OP)
I thought things were bad in 2010 when it came to the big 2. 15 years later, and it's somehow gotten far, far worse than I could have ever imagined. We're at the point now where the average person is more likely to have read a manga at one point in their life than a comic book. There's always been dumb shit in comics, but never to the extent where dumb shit feels like the norm. Decades of retards in management has allowed sycophants, talentless hacks, and amateurs to not only succeed, but thrive and bring in their friends in a race to the bottom. On top of that, with the advent of social media, you have lolcows constantly in the making or people going witchhunting and purity testing each other for no fucking reason, which leads to people or projects getting sacked or changed around.

The biggest problems facing comics for the past two decades has been degeneration, not so much the political virtue signaling or the desexualization which are always in a pendulum, just more of an emphasis on putting out unvetted slop for the masses. Nothing sucks more than watching retards like Felker-Martin or Ziglar somehow land writing positions when they would've been laughed out of the offices 20 years ago, and then the CEOs are all wondering why the fuck teens are all reading manga.

>>151244700
>We're at the point now where the average person is more likely to have read a manga at one point in their life than a comic book
That's been true for longer than you've been born.

bendis is coming back that should sum up how things are going

>>151244700
i aint reading all that

>>151244700
>retards like Felker-Martin or Ziglar
It was worse a decade ago when you had Chelsea Cain and Gabby Rivera

>>151246389
We still have Tom King and he's worse than ever.

>>151221626 (OP)
No idea, I don't buy or read them. I mostly read ones published before the 10s that I torrent.

>>151246319
Marvel was trash without him so there won't really be much of a difference. He's just coming home.

>>151248473
x-men definitely got worse with bendis so you're dead wrong. rightclops and magneto led straight to krakoa

>>151249589
It was unreadable trash before and it's unreadable trash since.

>>151249636
bendis, you should know that we are well aware you write like a gilmore girls script or 2010s rachel maddow. you're not as intelligent as you think you are and people will not buy your comics

>>151248473
bendis bros..... we're going home

>>151247689
genuflect

>>151221626 (OP)
Lack of competition
Woke politics
Bad art
Bad writing
Employing rather than publishing
floppies are floppy
comic shops are niche
no advertising
mono-verse / multiverse/crossovers are just one universe
superheroes
taking tropes for granted
pacing
stiff posing/lack of animation
too many cooks in the kitchen
internal drama/corruption
lack of speed lines
coal shading
cover-esque compositions
horniness and edginess
antiquated things
panels too small and pages too big
lazy editors
obsession with realistic faces
lack of market research
autistic fans
collector/speculator culture
repetitive panels
too clever panels
comics code authority
webcomics
hyper masculine faces
bimbo lipped girls
IP's are just corporate mascots
obsession over justice
out of touch aging fans
lack of communication between artist and writer
death means nothing
relationships mean nothing

>>151250786
You're out of touch with some of these factors.

>>151251655
name them, and I shall rant for you

I like the comic format but I'm tired of capeshit, hipster punk subculture, and weird lit.

>>151223585
Seethe & /co/pe

>>151234516
Cry more
/co/cksucker

>>151230243
>"good stuff"

The prices are killing me.

everyone is writing netflix pitches instead of comic books

>>151251995
So what do you want?

>>151251729
Don't make me get Antony.

its ogre pretty much

>>151254779
whos anthony

>>151254779
>>151255386
It's Antonius you fucking barbarians

>>151221626 (OP)
I think it's a corpse

Basically it's dead already, but kept limping along on the momentum of being a popular IP farm for Disney and Warner Bros. Once the movie well runs dry they are going to be less than second rate because the comics cannot really make money on their own as entertainment any longer. And if not for the fact that they were bought up by major media companies, they would be dead and gone by now.

>>151255848
this, they've been kept alive by the movies, but they've not been doing so hot lately. All it's going to take is one bad quarter and they'll start gutting unproductive parts of the company, and comics are going to be on that chopping block.
It's not really fair to call them an IP farm, because all their usable ideas came from the 40's-80's, they haven't really made anything new since then.

You can tell that the company as a whole sees the comics part as a waste of time because they don't even bother to advertise them in the movies or videogames. They could easily sell 100k+ copies of any comic if they offered free Marvel Rivals skins with your comic issue, but they don't because they don't think comics have any value whatsoever to the company.

>>151255970
>All it's going to take is one bad quarter and they'll start gutting unproductive parts of the company, and comics are going to be on that chopping block.
people have been saying this for years

>>151255977
And comics have gotten smaller and smaller since '92, what's your point? Do you actually think they're making a net profit? They're dead dude, give it up.

>>151255992
fool

>>151240893
>A Wizard of Earthsea
Got me to look it up since I liked the book. I really do not care for this art style.

>>151239483
>crickets
Yeah, that's a good one.

I don't care anymore if it lives or dies

>>151221626 (OP)

Feeling dejected. Empty. I don't feel like I have a stake in it anymore, I think few people do. Former megahits are now modest hits and former modest hits are now nothing at all. Only ideas people have for revival are gimmicks that at best might work short term.
I have no solutions. I don't think anyone does.