Thread 151230619

Can we all agree that Yugi is being nerfed?

>>151230619 (OP)
No

>>151230619 (OP)
Only Pokefags who are content with pity wins would say otherwise

Alright lads, which one of these three looks the best?

>>151230619 (OP)
In the context of DB, sure
But it really doesn't matter, because even nerfed Yugi takes this by a mile

Kill yourself listtroon.

Post Ash deatroy moon :)

No? How many times is this going to be said. They're not removing spell cards or trap cards. They're keeping things balanced by not going with NLF bullshit. It even says so in the screenshot.

There is nothing wrong with being brown.

>*Yugi fuses the three Egyptian Gods together*
>"I SUMMON HOLACTIE, CREATOR OF LIGHT"
>*Holactie takes to the field and illuminates the field*
>*A bright light swallows everything as Ash screams for Pikachu*
>*All is white for a moment, and then we hear Ash's companions calling for him*
>*Ash fights through the light and we see him pulling his cap backwards*
>"PIKACHU, I BELIEVE IN YOU... USE THUNDERBOLT, FULL POWER!"
>*Pikachu's thunderbolt overpowers Holactie and destroys it. Yugi watches stunned before the thunder arcs to the millenium puzzle*
>"YUGIIIIIIII" Atem screams in pain as the puzzle is destroyed and their connection is severed
>*Little Yugi now in full control looks out at all of Ash's Pokemon and then at his duel disk, his cards all on fire except one*
>*He reaches to draw*
>"I still... Believe... In the Heart... Of the..."
>"PIKACHU IRON TAIL"
>*Pikachu dashes forward with Iron Tail and cuts through Yugi in a single stroke*
>"...cards..." *Yugi gasps before his head comes off and falls to the ground*
>"Boy... That was rough, huh Pikachu?"

>Ash can have a deck worth of Pokemon
>Yugi gets no crowd control
This is just Lucario vs. Renamon 2.0 lmao

>>151230668
>Camera zooms out: Ash and Pikachu are in hell with the rest of his mons

>Ash vs Yugi
>But Ash doesn't have his Pokemon and Yugi doesn't have his Egyptian magic
>It's now a fist-fight between a 10-year old and a scrawny teenager
Fixed.

>>151230660
>The black hole just removes the target from the battlefield, it doesn't hurt them.
That's not just ignoring NLF, that's ignoring the intent and implications of the spell entirely.

I've still yet to see a single shred of evidence showing Ash has even the slightest chance
>B-but aura
Since when has Ash ever used aura in a physical battle? Even in Pokemon battles it doesn't help that much, unless Journeys did something retarded with that, like they want to do
>B-but Palkia.Cynthia scaling
That's a fucking reach and you know it

>>151230688
>Ash wins, but also gets send to the shadow realm
KINO outcome.

What if they're still using mirror force but they're going for the deflect/shield interpretation like in the final season.

>>151230702
We won't use Yubel scaling either, right?

>>151230699
Unironically would be a way funnier and more interesting matchup.

>>151230719
How is that even marginally interesting?

Does Yugi have any time travel feats?

>>151230708
Why are you retards so hung up on Mirror Force? It's not even the most powerful spell in his deck. It's a gimmick card if anything.

>>151230641
My preference is bottom.

>>151230705
Shadow Realm isn't canon, so it won't factor.

Our HEROES.

>>151230660
Except they already proved they're going to purposely misinterpret cards by saying Dark Hole is a BFR

>>151230729
Because now we've have to analyze their actual physical prowess, and watching two non-powered kids try to kill each other in a fist fight is funny.

>>151230714
Even if you take away GX and 5Ds scaling (which is dumb because the crossover movie between them is canon, but I digress) it doesn't change dick. The original series has more than enough material to make this a stomp

>>151230734
Not really but he stopped Yami Bakura who seemingly used interaction with the past to ensure his own creation.

>>151230729
Children fighting is funny.

>>151230702
>Since when has Ash ever used aura in a physical battle
Since when the fuck has Yugi done like 90% of the shit people claim he can do in a physical battle? And Journeys brought back Aura, yes, since that's when Ash gained Mega Lucario.
>That's a fucking reach
Is it? We just had universal and FTL Dante based off far worse evidence.
Even comparing their more grounded feats Ash seems significantly faster and stronger since, you know. Most of Pokemon is actual physical battling and Pokémon doing real shit. Inb4 listroon seethe about DMs not being real

>>151230771
Yugi's physical prowess isn't a consequential or not able part of his series.

>>151230750
The Shadow Realm isn't canon, but hell is.

A majority of Ash's pokemon's physical and elemental attacks aren't going to do much against spiritual entities that don't take damage from non spiritual beings. Aside from Gengar and the owl, Ash still has a limited amount of options that could end the fight and put Yugi's monsters down for good. Not to mention if Yugi gets his duel armor it's basically over.

>>151230786
>Since when the fuck has Yugi done like 90% of the shit people claim he can do in a physical battle?
What claims are you even refuting? This is so vague.

>>151230789
Which is what makes it fun, because now you have to really scan the material for stuff to base it off of.

>>151230795
>aren't going to do much against spiritual entities
Ash literally fights Fairy and Ghost Pokémon all the time

>>151230778
I didn't refute it being funny. But it's not very interesting. It would be like a quick gag, not something worth doing a DB over.

>>151230802
>What claims are you even refuting
Shit like "Yugi can sacrifice Ash's own Pokémon or bring them back to life to fight for him or deflect all attacks". Has Yugi ever actually done any of that physically?

OHNONONO YUGIKEKS
YOUR MAGIC CARD DOGSHIT CANT ONESHOT ALL OF ASH'S MONS?! AHAHHAAHAHHAHAHA
HERES THE ROPE

>>151230816
.......

>>151230791
Very true, Bakura literally sent the zombie kid to hell in the manga.

>>151230830
Nobody said Yugi does that physically?

>>151230816
>Elephant Goku tanked.

>>151230849
People are arguing he would do this to Ash's physical monsters. Are you retarded? Can you not follow an argument?

>>151230702
>Garchomp deflecting spacial rend doesn't count because... IT JUST DOESN'T!
KEKAROOOOOO

>>151230811
Yeah, and again, they're weak to specific pokemon-types. But nowhere in the anime is it ever explicitly shown that duel monsters can take any permanent damage outside their own realm. They can pretty much deflect anything regardless of the element. Also, they're not pokemon.

>>151230786
Yugi literally started with pure feats without the card game to show that his powers were real. The introduction of the card game just made it balloon into a manga about wizard battles with the power of TCG

>>151230786
>Is it?
It is. Even at the most generous, there's nothing saying Palkia's attack was universal. Weaker characters like Brock have done shit like that before, and Pokemon battles aren't just about raw strength, there are other factors that go into it.

Not to mention Pokemon scaling is inconsistant as fuck, especially if you take into account the games. Where you can potentially train a Bidoof to be stronger than Palkia at the first encounter, does that mean the stupid beaver is a universe breaker now?

>>151230862
With magic, nobody said Yugi himself was going to Yoink Pikachu and throw him into Obelisk for his Infinity punch

>>151230619 (OP)
I don't think people are properly reading this shit, cause this is so fixed. Ash can have as many Pokemon as they decide and Yugi's non combat spells apparently won't do anything.
They literally specifically say the card he used to beat Atem would be useless.
Are you serious?

America bros...

>>151230882
Remember DB puts all characters at their strongest.
Ash at his strongest with proper legendary scaling dogwalks Yugi

>>151230898
The card that only beat Atem because he knew how he dueled and correctly predicted what he was going to do? How's that supposed to help against Ash?

>>151230899
It's fine, that just means Detroit is gone

>>151230884
Okay, so show Yugi using magic to do this to physical monsters

>>151230898
>probably useless outside the context of a card game
I think it's you who needs to read.

>>151230899
FVARK... A Michigan level feat

>>151230910
Outsmarting Ash was exactly how I thought they were going to have Yugi win. But if he can't even use subversive and support spells then this is just a brainless brawl.

ROARtos. That is all.

>>151230908
And Yugi at his strongest scales to universe ending concepts of evil and death who eat dimesnsions.
You're not gasping how outclassed you are

>>151230921
Thanks for... Repeating what I said?

I can't wait for Death Battle to just show Ash easily wins because of actual better feats and Yugispics on YT will spam DEBOONK videos about how Yugi chainscales to some "5 dimensional guy" for why his gay NLFs should work

>>151230918
Soul Taker on Marik which was a Shadow Game which makes the monsters real. Unless you want to try to say Marik fused himself with a Hologram

>>151230898
To be fair that card is niche even in the context of the actual card game, it really only worked because of how intimately Yugi knew the Pharaoh's mind.

>>151230934
Well yeah Ash is retarded and Yugi is obviously smarter but gold sarcophagus really isn't applicable to beating him

>>151230942
>universe ending concepts of evil and death who eat dimesnsions
These are like mid tier legends in Pokemon

>>151230816
Yes, yes, very good elephant HOWEVER

>>151230942
>universe ending concepts of evil and death
So something the creation trio and Necrozma scaling easily clears?

>>151230951
I thought spics were specifically the ones who were going insane when they revealed Ash was leaving the anime.

>>151230960
I really would love an ending where Yugi wins by outsmarting Ash rather than just using the Egyptian Gods or Holactie. Like he puts a face-down (if they even do that) near the start of the duel or in the middle, and it ends up winning him the whole thing.

>>151230974
Yeah
A lot of Latinos like Ash for some reason. Especially around XY

>>151230957
Using niche support cards is how Yugi wins a bunch of his battles.

>>151230956
Okay, how fast is Marik? Is he as fast as Ash? Why could he not just rip or blast the card out of Yugi's hand before he did anything?

>>151230968
95% of legendries are just really big animals with elemental powers, they're not even country level.

>>151230968
Did Ash beat those legends in a battle til they fainted?

>>151230968
That's funny. Because last I checked Giratina and Necrozma were considered top tiers
And the actual mid tier legendaries were concepts of nature and shit

>>151230641
Middle and bottom are the best
Please post them individually

>>151230999
Scaling to even a fraction of that is still better than anything Yugi has access to or scales to

>>151231000
Reminder that Giratina and Necrozma can be beaten by a kid throwing their bird they caught randomly off in the forest at them.

>>151230988
Yeah and he probably will use a few niche cards but not every single one. I'd expect lightforce sword before Gold Sarc.

>>151230973
Oh, you only have four? That's adorable

>>151231014
>small explosion even when there's a bunch of them
How is this even a threat to Ash

>>151230707
You can smell the men...

FEATSgioh
SCALEmon

>>151231021
That doesn't answer my question

>>151230765
maybe he meant to say Dimensionhole

>>151230968
No they aren't. That's near the very top. A lot of the curve is offset by the Sinnoh legends being universe level.
Then Necrozma is significantly lower than them at multi star level.
Then the next strongest are like... Planet level.

>>151230999
Yeah, Darkrai can casually create entire worlds inside it's dreams and it's the embodiment of nightmares and shit and Ash whooped it

Yugi tanking a building.

>Yugi has better onscreen feats, chainscales higher and with more reliable plausible reasoning, and better hax
YugiDAMN

>>151230641
Who and who?

>>151231057
Did Pegasus make it out okay?!

Couldn't ash just have Rotom possess the duel disc?

>>151231067
... In fantasy land where you are also finally a real woman
But here in reality neither is the case

>>151231077
He dies but is fine later after they reset the timeline.

>>151230707
This but with Ash and Yugi

>>151230619 (OP)
This matchup requires so much interpretation on Yugi's part that it honeslty never should have been done.
Also:
>Ash gets infinity pokemon for fairness, bypassing the laws of his world
>Yugi only gets 40 cards because of battle city
They could try to be subtle lmao

>>151231081
>pokespics bringing up their troon fantasies out of nowhere
As expected.

>>151231082
Well that confirms Yugi survived a deadly building collapse.

>>151231090
They said they aren’t giving Yugi a deck limit because none of his in universe tournaments had an upper limit on deck size.

>>151231090
>Yugi only gets 40 cards because of battle city
???
Can you reread it and tell me where it says that?

Damn, it's crazy how All For One STILL solos all of the Chainsaw Man verse

>honESLty
Proof in the pudding

>Egyptian Gods oneshotted someone that could do this
STATEMENTSONLYkemon could never

Trying to disregard the interesting possible interactions between two characters who mostly use strategy to win their battles in favor of asking who can be nonsensically 'scaled' higher is why this community is so fucking gay.

>>151231090
It is a really weird matchup, because you basically have to interpret two different in-universe game rules against each other, more than you have to interpret real feats.

>>151231079
Hypothetically that could work but something tells me that would be a bad idea.

>>151231107
Yoru genuinely has a better feat than anything all for one ever did as of today

>>151231120
Has Ash ever outsmarted anyone in his life

>>151231107
That's literally a comic depicting him failing to kill Makima 597 times... And he doesn't seem to have hope of beating her, he's trying to use it to kill All Might indirectly.

Ash...will win. The Pokemon Company's Black Diaspora and Pokemon for Women and Transwomyxn organizations have swayed me.

>>151231102
So what does this mean? He's getting every card that ever existed in duel monsters or the series?

>>151231035
*completele blocks ur attacks damage*

nothen personel kid

Did you know that a prominent competitive Pokemon player announced his retirement because he kept getting physically molested and groped by Pokemon players because Pokemon players are legitimate faggots into full ass men

>>151231156
It's essentially saying his support cards won't do anything, his offensive cards will just be literal attacks instead of having stated effects and he can use any monster he's ever used.
It's essentially forcing this to be an army vs army fight.

>yugispics going for IRL shit for a consolation award after they were accusing pokefags of doing the same
Yep lol

>>151231172
>His ability is just losing and having the fight resolve like a normal Pokemon battle
Ok.

>Gives Ash every advantage possible
>Cripples Yugi by making most of his cards worthless
Gee, I wonder who'll win.

>>151231141
Talk to me when Yoru does anything remotely similar to this.

>>151230882
>Yugi literally started with pure feats without the card game to show that his powers were real.
And that had nothing to do with the card monsters. A bunch of SAW-esque "do you want to play a game" shit is working as Atem only used them on non-virtuous people that he knew would break the rules.

This feel sort of like trying to pit a Chess master against a Scrabble champion, and try and figure out who would win, while they still play their respective game against each other.

>>151231191
Show me a single building damaged by this punch

>>151231191
Pretty sure a state and everything in it has more mass than those clouds.

Soon.....

>>151231189
>making most of his cards worthless
Where are you getting this idea from?

I love Unova and I love Gen V.

>>151231191
>HBOC for one
I think destroying a US state with two words is more impressive than moving some clouds

>>151231156
>He's getting every card that ever existed in duel monsters or the series
Every card that has been used in his deck

>>151231185
Cry about it queerboy

>>151231211
Kanto is all that matters. /dbg/ is Kanto territory. Leave.

FUAAAAARRRRKKKK

>>151231197
>>151231202
>>151231213
Wrong

FEATS-gi-CHAD wins once again.

NOOO YOUR CARDS CANNOT DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO THAT ARE HECKIN DISRESPECTFUL!!! NERF YUGI ALSO LET US PUNCHING HIM TO DEATH!!!!!

>>151231207
The OP where it's stated DB is basically removing a lot of the abilities from his cards.

>>151230882
>does that mean the stupid beaver is a universe breaker now
This just sounds like Bowser vs Eggman all over again
>it doesn't make SENSE for a Pokemon to be that strong!
And yet it is, because that's the power of Pokemon and the bond between Pokemon and trainer
Pokemon is a more silly setting that can get away with stuff like that. Honestly the fact that Yugioh started off similarly, but then devolved into a rigid card game where they had to place limitations on themselves sounds like it's setting up for a narrative loss

>>151230871
Could they deflect Sukuna’s Cleave

>"hey we're interpreting stuff like mirror force as being a mirror barrier based on its anime depiction as opposed to an instant kill move that works on anybody"
>"NOOOOOOO THEY'RE KILLING YUGI'S ENTIRE STRATEGY RIGGED PITY FIGHT AIEEEEE"
I don't even understand, Yugi will still probably win

>>151231186
He doesn't have to be summoned to use this effect.
Yugi's monsters have effects that can be used while not summoned and while in the graveyard, which is just another layer of interaction that Ash cant compete with.

>>151231107
I've been seeing a lot of CSM autism lately, I cannot wait for the anime to get to Part 2 and watch its popularity nosedive.

>>151231237
Post some clouds destroying Michigan.

>base form start of series Yugi with 0 cards just casually oneshots True Form Arceus
Fuckkkkkkkkkkkk

>>151231238
>more chainscaling and nothing yugi himself has ever done
>JADEN PLEASE HELP ME JADEN I HAVE NO SPEED OR POWER FEATS
Wow Yugibros are kinda massive hypocrites huh

>>151231261
But anyway enough about Garchomp and Cynthia

>>151231261
>chainscaling
>not direct scaling
Pokebro....it's okay to go 0-3....

>>151230898
How would a card that lets you draw a specific card from your deck be useful when Yugi can already do that outside of a turn based battle?

>>151231254
Ash is way, way more popular and they have to appeal to Pokemon fans because of the HECKING DISRESPECTFUL beatdown of Red, so they'll make Ash win.

>>151231276
Anon, Dante literally just lost to a guy not even these threads knew that well

>>151231254
Yugifags really are the new Flashfags. This schizo shitfit will look even worse when Yugi wins as expected.

>>151231281
And still dont.
FFXVI plays like a single player MMO

>yugifags already throwing the "P-POKEMON ONLY WINS BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR OUT"
Remind me, the last Death Battle. Did the more popular guy win there too?

>>151231237
>This is supposed to be impressive
Why is modern shonen so weak? Dragon Ball had moon busters early on

>>151231281
Theres more Pokemon fans and more Pokeautists than there are DMC fans

You literally cannot prove Mirror Force would not solo Superman, Simon, SpongeBob, Sonic, Goku and Asura without sounding mad ;)

>>151231285
HOLY FUARK?! The BUILDINGS in Pokemon are all MULTIVERSAL BEEAASSTS?

>>151231192
Anon. The point is magic follows rules. That in YGO, the rule ARE the nerf, because if they weren't there, the world would have ended 5 times over by now.

>>151231293
>moon busters

>all this dissing on Vs Battles Wiki
Name a better source of information for powerscaling then

>Here's the Great Leviathan creating this storm and here's the Egyptian Gods oneshotting it
>CHAINSCALING CHAINSCALING I GET TO USE CYNTHIA'S GARCHOMP BLOCKING ONE SPATIAL REND AND POKEMON MASTERS
>Oh cool, well if we're using chainscaling, Yugi actually gets 12 Dimensional Superpoly, multiversal scaling through Arc-V and Zexal, even more multiversal layers through Duel Links and...
>AHHHH SHUT UP SHUT UP

I'm genuinely afraid of all the Yugifags that might hurt themselves once Ash wins

>>151231296
Pokemon fans could give less of a shit if Ash wins or loses, they've already seen him be utterly embarrassed
This is the actual worst cope and there's been a lot of shitty ones from Yugispics

>>151231296
There are more Pokemon fans than Street Fighter and Digimon fans, so?

>>151231298
Post Mirror Force surviving a pair of scissors.

>>151231285
THE EGYPTIAN GODS HAVE MULTIVERSAL POWER??? FUARK

>>151230619 (OP)
Doesn't Yugi have actual mind break powers and can summon literal real ass gods? He does all kinds of evil magic shit, What does Ash have to deal with this? Does he even have a legendary?

>>151231307
Why was the moon still in the sky after this duel?

>>151231289
Final Fantasy is much more popular than Devil May Cry, so...yeah.

>falseflagging pokeBITCHES

Yugi's still winning, sorry.

>>151231285
Friendly reminder that Pokefags will straight face argue this to be universal but bitch about using Great Leviathan vs Egyptian Gods clash dispersing clouds in a great beam struggle and claim its chainscaling because it wasn't big enough for them

>C-Can Goku beat this v-vers-
No he fucking cannot

>>151231308
/dbg/.

>>151231332
They might give him Solgaleo
Gengar and Aura might be enough to resist dark magic and soul shenanigans

>>151231020
If you want, I suppose. Here's middle.
>>151231068
Hinako Shimizu from Silent Hill f and Emil Sinclair from Limbus Company. Two young adults hesitating at the precipice of a rite of adulthood, finding themselves wrenched from all they knew before and thrust into combat and horror, and dealing with an obsessive and possessive old friend who wants sole possession of them because of their potential. Also motifs of birds and alternate identities and worlds.

Ash is still getting mind crushed and put into a coma. I can't wait to watch Yugi slit his throat while he's asleep

>>151231020
Here's bottom.

>>151231332
He sort of had a Solgaleo, they'll probably give it to him because it vs Ra is an obvious setpiece for a big climax before it comes down to the final clash

>>151231344
>but bitch about using Great Leviathan vs Egyptian Gods clash dispersing clouds in a great beam struggle and claim its chainscaling
And Pikachu dispersed more clouds by just itself

>>151231348
FFFFFFFVVVVVVVVVVVVAAAAAAAARRRRRKKKK WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME DRAGON BALL HAD UNIVERSAL+ LEVEL ICE?! NO WONDER HULK LOST

>>151231308
Use your fucking eyes nigga
Did it blow up a planet? Destroy a universe?
No? Then it's fucking not any of those!

>>151231370
AAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEE DELETE THIS NOW NOW NOW IT DOESNT COUNT OKAY IT DOESNT AAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE

>>151231372
It's funny because Dragon Ball fans will stare you in the face and ensure you that every one of Broly's strikes were at BARE MINIMUM galaxy level.

>>151231311
With Cynthia it's consistent across the franchise. Not a massive chainscale based on cope and nonsense like Yugi would with Yuma. "12 dimensional" also makes zero narrative sense given that Yubel wanted to rule over the worlds and if it was 12 dimensional space, that'd be less to rule over.

>>151231370
Noncanon

>>151231370
>no damage

>>151231308
vsbw believes in Kratoswank so literally anywhere else.

>>151231254
>>151231283
One paragraph alone shows they're just trying to keep it fair and balanced. They also said they're pulling from the manga. Maybe the manga portrayals differ from the anime?

>>151231385
>that Yubel wanted to rule over the worlds
What are You talking about? Yubel wanted to commit suicide.

>>151231382
>>151231391
>>151231401
Like clockwork.

>>151231285
Universal planet

Yugibros
Its okay to lose
Its okay to lose in your first Death Battle
Just getting into DB in the first place is an admirable feat
You can't win every fight and that's okay
So what if Holactie couldnt clutch it?
So what if Ash had way better scaling?
So when Ash wins please don't be like the Asurajeets who are still seething well after a year
Please be... Better men

Range ban listroon I beg

>>151231406
Atem gets a lot of mindhax bullshit in the early manga. To the point if Ash did try to actually punch him, he could get mindraped for breaking the duel rules.

>>151231049
If he did he would have edited his message to say such.

>>151231348
>AAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHH FUAAAAAAAARK THAT'S A BIG ROOOOOOOCK AAAAAAAH BEJIIIIIIIIIITAAAAAAAA HEEEEEEEELP

Tell me again why DB is considered strong?

>HHMMMM ME THINKS ASH SHOULD GET COMPOSITE POKEMON SCALING, EVERY SINGLE STATEMENT ACROSS THE FRANCHISE, SMASH BROS SCALING TOO
>IS YUGI TRYING TO SCALE OFF SOMEONE HE BEAT??? NO NO NO NOT ALLOWED
Ash deserves a death that makes Red's look respectful

>>151231385
>With Cynthia it's consistent across the franchise. Not a massive chainscale based on cope
LMAO

You get offered 5 million dollars by Ben Singer himself to White Knight for Death Battle online until the show ends. Would you do it?

>>151231406
The trailer opened on a shot from Dark Side of Dimensions, so they're definitely using manga stuff (though that was obvious)

>>151231436
B...But um...l-lifting strength isn't equal to s-striking strength...

>>151231442
Easily
Its not hard. Even if I dont believe anything I say and genuinely think the show is shit I can just lie

>>151231370
I've seen this movie. It literally didn't hurt anyone it hit there.

>>151231335
The average FF player is almost 40.
The series has never been less culturally relevant than it is right now.

>>151231351
They should, and it even should work to resist it.
The problem is once one of Ash's defensive pokemon get caught out. Thats it, that line of defense is permanently gone.
Yugi has cards that recycle cards and revive monsters, I do truly believe Yugi wins through the war of attrition and a higher quality arsenal, and the ability to come easily come back and undo Ash's victories.

Meanwhile any pokemon Ash loses is permanent. Or worse, Monster Reborn fodder now fighting for Yugi.

>>151231425
>no argument

>>151231107
Without Scaling AFO is genuinely a Makima victim

>>151231385
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm a non-anine Pokefag. Cynthia isn't considered universal at all.

>>151231370
>Mountain range worth of clouds is somehow equal to country worth of clouds
Pokefags are blind, unsurprising given they buy games that look like they were made for the Gamecube

>>151231191
Friendly reminder that this was Deli literally burning his powers away, this is the absolute peak of his power and he will never be able to replicate something similar.

>

If "noncanon" is allowed then Yugi should get his capsule monster feats.

>>151231477
Dude
Thats an insult to the gamecube.

>>151231461
And Devil May Cry was never culturally relevant outside of "Featuring Dante" memes.

>>151231272
Gojo low key beats AFO now that I think about it
He relies on mainly brute force, and none of his know quirks would do anything to Gojo or the limitless cursed technique

>>151230898
>Remove from play 1 card in your Deck face-down. If your opponent activates or Summons a card of the same name during this Duel, you can reveal the removed card to negate the activation or Summon of that card, and destroy it.
How could this possibly be remotely useful against Ash?

>ONE TIME CYNTHIA'S GARCHOMP DEFLECTED SPATIAL REND AND POKEMON MASTERS THE GAME CAN LET CYNTHIA BEAT PALKIA SO EVEN LEVEL 1 MAGIKARPS SCALE TO TRUE ARCEUS
>DID YOU INSINUATE THAT BY THE SAME LEEWAY YUGI SCALES TO 12D YUBEL BECAUSE HE BEAT JADEN WITH YUBEL BY HIS SIDE? CHAINSCALING CHAINSCALING CHAINSCALING
Pokemon arguments are so absurdly in bad faith I really can't fathom bothering to seriously engage with them and not just engage in /dbg/-style shitposting.

>>151231501
Even a 'Flop' like DMC4 sold 4 million copies.

>Bla bla chainscaling
How about that time Ash got his ass folded by Sabrina and her real ass powers and could do literally nothing to stop it.
Even without mons, what the fuck is Ash going to do with someone who's at her level in base form bare minimum?

>>151231492
If Ash is getting 1200 episodes and over twenty films of stuff to pull from, a non-canon spinoff should be allowed.

>>151231352
>>151231365
Thanks anon

>>151231335
Nobody cares about Clive, nobody ever cared about Clive. The only reason anyone cared about FF16 at all is because the combat kinda looks like DMC5.

Ragnarok. gg

>>151231513
Is that supposed to be impressive? Final Fantasy XVI sold three million within the span of a week.

>>151231442
Yes, it would be retarded to decline when I don't even have to compromise my identity online

>>151231517
This was way early in his career and you know it.
Before we even found out he had Aura
Before Aura was even a concept

>>151231469
As we all know. Ki blasts in DB are super effective against planets. Anything else just takes normal damage.

>>151231461
>>151231351
Not to but in but polymerization and brain control are also a bit of a problem for Ash, too. Canonically this card has fused people with monsters before. And nothing implies that it isn't restricted to just duel monsters. He could yonk Gengar and Rotom OR Pikachu and Ash would be just shit out of luck. Hell, isn't mind control a common weakness most pokemon have?

>>151231501
DMCV has sales numbers over 10 million
FFXVI has been called a disappointment by SE themsleves (along with 7 rebirth) and only has ~3.5m sales

>>151231536
Anon, FFXVI's CURRENT sales are 3.5 million. It plateaued hard.

>>151231285
So the whole argument for Cynthia's Garchomp being universal is it blocking this attack. This attack that cut through a building then disapated.

>>151231543
This wouldn't work because TARDku doesn't have a brain

As always Pochita is only good when fighting no name fodder

>>151231543
It's crazy how that's what would really happen too

>>151231471
>Cynthia can stop an attack that the combined efforts of 3 others could not
>This must mean there's no strength difference for some reason

Any interesting meltdowns over Meta Knight being eliminated from the island?

>>151231557
Yes. Pokefags have no shame whatsoever.

>>151231501
>DMC was never culturally relevant outside of the game it outsold
???

>>151231285
FUARK, not the outerversal building slash

>>151231437
Disingenuous RAT. Nobody said Yugi can't scale to those he beat. He never even met Yuma.

>>151231574
Wanna try that one again?

>the loser's side starts falling back on salesfagging
Why does this keep happening?

>>151231576
Reddit got REALLY mad at Sakuya and there were a few melties in the Discord
Funnily enough a few of the mods running the event said they were rooting for Sakuya because they thought her constantly slipping by death was funny and fit the theme

>>151231542
And would that even help?
He never met Sabrina again, so there's real way of knowing how it scales to her. And by Pokemon's own rules, Psychic powers > Aura, because aura is a fighting type power, and fighting is naturally weak agaisnt Psychic

Granted, I haven't watched Journeys, but I really they actually explored the system and how it intereacts with the others in the world

>>151231348
HOLY
FUARKING
UNIVERSAL+++++++++++ ICE

>>151231597
Pokefags
Since they thought they'd beat Digimon because they outsell Digimon but got buck broken by CHADGreymon

>>151231590
People scale him to Jaden and Yubel. Because he beat them. Cry more about it. Maybe Cynthia can save you from some weak building level attacks, pussy.

>>151231585
Sales numbers don't meant culturally relevant. It's still an obscure franchise. Like how Avatar made a billion dollars but had zero cultural impact.

>>151231547
Ash himself has been brain possessed multiple times.
And also resisted it by being "too stupid" Not sure thats the wincon you want in games of strategy but you do you Ashfags.
The best argument against it is Gengar resists it because its resisted Psychic control before. But thats also attaching pokemon weaknesses and typing to Yugioh cards. I've yet to see evidence of Ash resisting cards like Change of Heart, and certainly not his entire roster.

Polymerization in the anime also just doesn't even need to have proper targets and simply creating mis-fusions like Mamoth Graveyard did to BEUD is something Ash simply has never dealt with.

Again I want to watch Ash cry as he watches his pokemon melt into a puddle with a giant zombie elephant fused into them.

Post Yugi kissing anyone

>>151231547
I think whats more likely than using one of Ash's mons as fusion fodder Yugi does the Living Arrow + Polymerization + Mammoth Graveyard combo to severely weaken one of Ash's stronger mons. Or Living Arrow/Polymerization/a Kuriboh

>>151231607
Is that the same ice even the mighty Kratos couldn't break?

>>151231622
In all sincerity, what does Yugi beating Judai even mean? Like he beat him in a duel, but it was just a normal duel, it doesn't make him any stronger in a scaling situation.

>>151231634
>obsessed with minors and teenagers kissing

I don't think I need to ask... but who is your favorite character?

>>151231618
I still can't believe they got away with filling air time with two worse adaptations of movies that had better animation. That shit is historic.

>>151231634
The fact he has descendants implies he did a lot more than kiss someone.

>4 weeks of koffing
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

>>151231644
Jaden said Yugi was stronger than Yubel. Yubel can destroy 13 dimensions.

>>151231597
DMCnigs literally have nothing left except a shitty anime made by an American politics obsessed jeet since DMC6 is never ever
And even if 6 came out it'd probably be like 4 hours long
FF16 was a flop but FF fags barely give a shit about powerscaling because they just go back and replay the FF games they like instead of trying to pick fights with Kratos or whatever

>>151231643
No that was multiversal ice
Literally. You get Thamur’s ice breath as a spell after this level and it’s the strongest attack in the game.

>>151231643
Outterversal ice.

>>151231653
Need you even ask?

>>151231624
There are plenty of games based on DMC gameplay, so I dunno where you're going there.

>>151231634
I'm pretty sure Rebecca kisses him.

>>151231631
>And also resisted it by being "too stupid"
in the yugioh manga it's explained that zombies have zero defense because they have low intelligence

I think something that should be talked about more is how DBfags just...assume striking strength. Like wow, Android 18 beat the shit out of Vegeta, that means all her strikes and her durability must be well beyond planet level...but there's nothing that actually implies this at all except headcanon.

>>151231597
>pointing out that popularity doesn't decide who wins because the more popular character JUST lost is resorting to sales fagging

>>151231285
Anon. Straight up. What do I have to do for you to make you delete this?

>>151230641
wow Hinako... warrior against toxic masculinity

Can your favorite character defeat Captain Israel?

>>151231624
If it wasn't culturally relevant nobody would buy it.

>>151230619 (OP)
>JOBgi lost already
Pathetic. It really should have been CHADsei.

>>151231597
>>151231663
>/co/fag making shit up
/v/ literally proves you wrong, and if that shithole does it, then you're very wrong.

>Yugi battled and killed Anubis, literal Satan, a demon that manifested from Marik's hatred, killed a guy that was trying to rewrite the past, the creator of duel monsters itself, and killed a beast sleeping in the earth that Dartz unleashed to destroy the world, and defeated 2 monsters with infinite life points and attack points
>Ash told Pikachu to fend off a standard attack made by a legendary.
How the fuck is this comparable.
>>151231285
>>151231557
Pokemon scaling is very alienating and capricious because if we take this at face value it just shows that Pikachu deflected an attack that wasn't even building level.

>>151231695
Make a tweet apologizing to YGO fans for being whiny pissbabies that force Death Battle to Handicap their opponents because you all were salty about Chaizard rightfully losing to Agumon
With those exact words

>>151230619 (OP)
Death Battle Scaling (2025 Edition):

Ash Ketchum (BOVNDLESS BEAST)
Peak Hulk (Multiversal. Infinite Dimensions, can potentially grow higher)
Simon the Digger (Multiversal. 11 dimensions, can grow incomprehensibly higher)
Kyle Rayner (Multiversal. 12.3 dimensions, can grow higher)
Wile E. Coyote (Multiversal)
Zarathos (Multiversal)
Ghost Rider (Multiversal)
Spawn (Multiversal)
Godzilla Ultima (Multiversal)
Kratos (91,919,749 x Universal)
Asura (91,302 x Universal)
Tom Cat (3x Universal)
Hulk (Universal)
Peak Eggman (Universal)
Clive Rosfield (Universal; can grow much higher)
Dante (Universal)
Joker (Universal)
Peak Bowser (Universal)
Fall Guys (Universal; durability)
Gold Experience Requiem (Universal via Return to Zero)
Intermediate Bowser (Solar System Level)
Intermediate Eggman (Solar System Level)
Omni-Man (Large Star Level)
Super Saiyan Bardock (Star Level)
Great Ape Bardock (Small Star Level)
Imposters (Small Star Level)
Base Bardock (Small Star Level)
Godzilla (Planet Level)
Maka Albarn (Multi-Continent)
Casual Bowser (Country Level)
Tomura Shigaraki (Country Level)
Buffy Summers (Large Island Level)
Deku (Large Island Level, minimum)
Doomslayer (Island Level)
Spider-Man (Mountain Level; Durability via vibranium suit)
Master Chief (City Level...Durability...Kind of)
Spider-Man (City Level)
Blade (City Level)
Mahito (Large Town Level)
Ruby Rose (Large Town Level)
Casual Eggman (Town Level)
Giorno with Gold Experience (Wall Level)
Yugi MUTTo (Subhuman Fodder)

>>151231517
Oh, that reminds me. Ash never actually beat Sabrina in a Pokemon battle either, she basically gave up the badge after Haunter made her feel joy again

Who's afraid of a little lightning

ASHtos

>>151231348
>>151231372
>>151231607
>>151231643
Weaklings

>>151231622
>>151231644
Adult Yugi teleported Jaden and Yubel to the past before the duel, and that duel was under time stop.

>>151231728
I've read somewhere that Dissidia actually puts her well above Shulk.

How will ATK points even factor in? Like what does a monster with 2000 ATK points even mean in the context of the Death Battle? How strong will Dark Magician or Summoning Skull be?

>>151231735
That's paper level ice

>>151231721
FFFFVVVVVAAAARRRRRKKKK GET TO THE SHELTERS EVERYONE A TRVKE JUST DROPPED

>>151231759
Probablh outright ignored because otherwise Dark Magician has more attack then outerversal gods

CHADS
TACTICIANS
STRATEGISTS
BEASTS
LORDS
GODS

ENTER OUR HEROES

>>151231721
Now do the same list, but based on feats

>>151231759
You can use them as direct scaling if you want but its not going to make things anymore consistent, there are yugioh monsters with the same statline as dark magician who eat galaxies and hold universes.

>>151231777
And also has less attack than a normal ass lookin train

>>151231759
They will either try to find an average between it and Pokemon stats or mostly ignore it save for some scaling (i.e. Dark Magician did X feat and has 2500 attack pts so X monster will scale accordingly to that depending on their own attack points)

>>151231721
ASHtos rapes and gapes Yugsissy MUTTo

>>151231717
>Yugi battled and killed [name], literal [name], a demon that [doesn't mean anything], killed a guy that [doesn't mean anything], the creator of [doesn't mean anything], and killed a beast sleeping in the earth that Dartz unleashed to destroy the world (never mind how it's not contextualized as to how he would do it), and defeated 2 monsters with infinite life points and attack points (never mind that millennium world, where the monsters are real, it doesn't even act like this, Exodia still jobbed to Zorc)
To just state they fended off a "standard attack from a legendary" is being blatantly reductive.

>>151231721
>Simon the Digger (Multiversal. 11 dimensions, can grow incomprehensibly higher)
>Kyle Rayner (Multiversal. 12.3 dimensions, can grow higher)
Wait why did Kyle lose

deja vu

>>151231818
Because dimensional scaling is retarded.

Yugi bros will never live up to the slander

>>151231818
Incomprehensibly higher > somewhat higher, plus Simon's regeneration was too much

>>151231818
Simon's rate of growth was higher than Kyle's

I actually thought the animation for Yugi vs. Ash was good. I know a lot of people had problems with it, but I thought it was great.

Even if you disagree about Ash losing, given the power gap between the two it makes sense for Yugi to take little damage. It also put Yugi in some kind of a mentor or elder role to Ash, and let Yugi show how far he had come by defeating someone who had been down the same path as him. He wasn't just fighting Ash, he was TEACHING Ash. And I think that's very heartwarming in a way. That Yugi would take the lessons he learned and help someone who was just like him.

If this weren't a Death Battle I'm sure they would have ended cordially and taught each other well. The alternate ending is weird, even if heartwarming in its own way. It was nice to see Yugi reunite with the Pharoah, but it feels weird to have him just stand there and take that punch.

I haven't watched Ash's anime though (but after watching this fight I think I might read a recap!) so I might be missing stuff but as a big YGO fan I thought they did Yugi justice and from what I saw they treated Ash with the utmost respect. What character has ever gotten an alternate ending made just for them?

BRING ME SEASON 7 ME AND HIMIKO TOGA
I'LL KILL BOTH OF THEM

>>151231818
simon grows faster

>>151231759
This is going to be the most confusing part but it's probably easier to sum it up like power levels. The bigger number means more powerful. You could argue that Dark Magician is half as powerful as Obelisk just by using the math and saying 2000 + 2000 = 4000

>>151231717
>Pokemon scaling is very alienating and capricious
Most Pokefags and casuals love the fact that a Bidoof can casually solo reality warping gods, they make tons of memes about it

>>151231051
level 3 normal monster ygo card text description level

>>151231859
If its powerlevel, what does it mean When Obelisk hits infinity and Timeus hits beyond infinity

>>151231818
You just can't scale Simon

>>151231784
Okay.

>BOVNDLESS BEAST TIER

KINGTOS
ASH KETCHUM

>NORMAL TIER

Everyone else
>KEKOLD TIER

Maka Albarn

Yugi MUTTo

Post you not being a stupid poopie meaniehead >:(

>>151231861
Pokefags will hype up how amazingly powerful the Creation Trio is but ignore that a kid with some forest animal he caught can beat all of them.

Shit, I've been seeing Yu Gi Oh!'s monsters and some are pretty hot. They definitely have hotter dragons compared to Pokemon

>>151231759
It's not really consistant, especially considering the effects are what really make most monsters scary.
This battleship made of sushi has the same power as world ending demons

>>151231897
Kaiba fucked this btw

>>151231818
Both were called outerversal at their peak so Simon's faster power growth, hax resistances and informational regeneration allowed him to either beat Kyle straight up or just outlast him.

>>151231894
That kid and his forest animal are strong. If I wanted to use that same logic, Yugi himself was just a kid with a deck of cards.

>>151231897
Kaiba definitely commissioned this

>>151231897
I want to fuck the entirity of the dragonmaid archetype

>>151231889
>Maka Albarn
???

>>151231911
Or the Creation Trio is just weak if a common bird or a rat can beat them. Much more logical.

I asked ChatGPT to give an objective list of these combatants from strongest to weakest. This was the result.

1 Simon the Digger
2 Gold Experience Requiem
3 Zarathos
4 Ghost Rider
5 Spawn
6 Kyle Rayner
7 Peak Hulk
8 Asura
9 Godzilla Ultima
10 Godzilla
11 Super Saiyan Bardock
12 Great Ape Bardock
13 Kratos
14 Clive Rosfield
15 Dante
16 Omni-Man
17 Doomslayer
18 Hulk
19 Giorno with Gold Experience
20 Peak Bowser
21 Peak Eggman
22 Intermediate Bowser
23 Intermediate Eggman
24 Tomura Shigaraki
25 Mahito
26 Ruby Rose
27 Deku
28 Maka Albarn
29 Buffy Summers
30 Blade
31 Spider-Man
32 Spider-Man
33 Master Chief
34 Ash Ketchum
35 Yugi Muto
36 Joker
37 Wile E. Coyote
38 Tom Cat
39 Casual Bowser
40 Casual Eggman
41 Fall Guys (from Fall Guys)
42 Imposters (Among Us)
43 Base Bardock

>>151231721
>Ghost Rider (Multiversal)
GR was placed at multi-multiversal and infinite dimensional
>Clive Rosfield (Universal; can grow much higher
How is he not at the top of the universal rankings? He and Dante are also probably stronger than Tom since they defeated infinite universal characters in base before their powerups
>Godzilla (Planet Level)
Didn't they say he could tank black holes?

>you keep coming back with that green door? I activate my spell card Dimensional Fissure! Now any monster sent to the graveyard is banished instead!
>You're still charging at me? Mirror Force!
BOOM

>>151231915
She watches Blair drain soul's balls everynight CANONICALLY

>>151231911
... Descendent of, and possessed by the ancient Pharoah who commander the binding of those monsters in the first place.
Don't forget that Minor detail.

>>151231926
>8 Asura
>13 Kratos
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>151231913
You can tell a lot about a man and which form they'd prefer to fuck

>>151231913
Based and dragonpilled

>>151231926
MY LIE DETECTOR.....IT JUST TURNED OFF IN THE FACE OF THIS TRVKE!!!!!!!

>>151231920
>Or the [gods of space, time and antimatter] that can alter the universe are just weak
OK, so all the monsters he deals with are weak because they can be dealt with by a kid who uses a deck of cards.
>>151231943
>Descendant of [royalty that doesn't mean anything in the modern day]
None of this matters.

>listroon now engaging in scaly fantasies
Yeah

>>151231889
Post KINGtos destroying a mountain :)

>>151231897
We're kinda stretching the definition of 'monster' at times but I'll take it.

>there's animal fuckers ITT
Favorite character?

>>151231920
not according to the lore they aren't. Or official statements about dialga and palkia being the physical manifestations of infinite space and time either.

>>151231926
>34 Ash Ketchum
>35 Yugi Muto
YUGISISTERS?????

WHY ARE WE BELOW STREET TIER SHITTERS LIKE BLADE AND RUBY ROSE? WHAT THE FUCKKKKKK

>>151231973
Albaz is a fucking lucky man

>>151231983
>Erm, the loooore!
Don't care. If it's not shown in the games, it doesn't matter.

Does the winner get to fuck the entire female cast of Duel Master's I Don't Wanna be a Dragon Girl, Gold Treasure arts, Fabulous Arts, and Duel Masters PLAY

>>151231926
>ChatGPT is actually better than death battle at this
Lol

>>151231983
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO POINT THAT OUT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BUY LORE FOR YUGIOH AND NOT FOR POKEMON OK?

>Ash summons all Pokemon
>Obelisk uses infinite ATK aoe and win
What's stopping this from happening?

>>151232002
>If it's not shown in the games
The main villains literally use their power to destroy all of creation and create universes

>"I AM THE EMBODIMENT OF ALL THE INFINITE TIME IN THE MULTIVERSE AND I"
>"W-WAIT, IS THAT...A BIRD?! AIIIEEE!!! ARCEUS SAVE ME, I CAN'T HANDLE THE PECKING!!!"

>>151232015
>infinite power
This is a shitmon in Pokemon

>>151232016
No they don't. They try to utilize the legendaries, but the legendaries never actually do anything.

If Yugi loses, does everyone get to fuck DMG?

>>151232022
To be fair though, you have to get used to pegging. It always hurts the first few times, but you'll feel like a princess once you have it all figured out!

>>151231990
Indeed he is

>>151232037
We literally see the universe breaking down from spacetime distortions or even being created in other cutscenes

What's stopping Ash from using switcheroo and giving flame orb to Yugi?

>>151232044
It must be a shame to be unable to read. Seeing "pecking" as "pegging" I guess you may just be a fag.

What Does "Space" Mean In Pokémon?

When talking about "The Original One", it's easy to describe it terms that would denote "Space" as we know it but I'd argue that this isn't actually how "The Original One" is meant to be thought of, as it would be assigning a "boundary" to it of some sort. This sounds like a no limit fallacy but we have to then analyze what even is "Space" within the context of Pokémon, which we are going to do given it's the most important key to understanding why "The Original One" would be considered outversal under most people's definition

Picking up from that, we do know that "Space" haers the same attributes as we typically associate with it, with "Space" as a concept just being "a continuous area or expanse which is free, available, or unoccupied." or "position (two or more items) at a distance from one another.". When one thinks of "Space" as an abstracta, these are what come to mind, but Pokémon also seems to incorporate things such as directions and dimensionality as also things that fall under "Space". Don't believe me ? Well, of course, It's my job to explain the reverse, so let's just break this down a bit, shall we ?

In Pokémon, we know that Palkia has dominion over the concept of directions
Interestingly enough, in an interview, it's been clarified that "directions" and "dimensions" are just talking about axes in a mathematical/dimensional sense
"The X and Y represent the X axis and the Y axis. The world holds people with all sorts of ways of thinking, and you can get a sense that they exist in different dimensions. But if you think of them as people who think on the X axis and people who think on the Y axis-horizontal and vertical axes-then they intersect somewhere.”
This isn't even something that just exists in interviews, as Palkia's dimension is explicitly called a "Spatial Dimension" and this terminology even extends outside of the Pokedex

YGO even has funnier joke monsters that could potentially beat world eating gods if you use them right

Have any of the legendary pokemon actually did anything in the movies to make them universal or are they just barely building level.

>>151232031
>Doesn't have infinite stats.
FRAUD.

>>151232053
In what games? Certainly not Diamond and Pearl or even Platinum.

Does my old DB tier list still hold up?

>>151232073
, with it being written in-universe lore
The concept of higher dimensions also are explicitly noted to exist as well per the existence of "Hyperspace", which is an explicitly 4-D (at least) concept as it pertains dimensions that exist outside of 3rd
It's also worth noting that in the original language, "Hyperspace" is "Dimensional", which actually supports the notion that "dimensions" in Pokemon can also extend to higher dimensions and that "dimensions" doesn't just refer to parallel universes
The big takeaway from this is that "dimensions", "directions" and all that are just a way to refer to higher infinities within the context of Pokémon. Even contextually, this would make sense, as for example, Palkia's world being called a "spatial dimension" would be a reference to the fact that it's confirmed that The Creation Trio exist on a higher level of space and time than typical space-time (which can be seen at 14:28 and onwards, with Sheena having to literally go to a higher level of time and space to even reach interact with Giratina), which furthers the notion that "dimensions" can contextually mean higher infinities and that The Creation Trio are meant to inhabit higher dimensional worlds. In other words, the extend of The Creation Trio isn't just restricted to purely 4-D Time and 3-D Space respectively

>>151232077
They make flashy lightshows, but that's it.

>>151232078
>600 BST = infinite power in Pokemon
>multiple Pokémon have BSTs massively over this level and Ash owns or has beaten tons of them
Holy SHIT!!!!!!!!

>all Pokémon can also beat up Victini commanded by a trainer, who can make it so that the trainer always wins, so all Pokémon can overturn fate manipulation
Holy FUARKing SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>151232090
Even if that wasn't enough, it's evident that Game Freak has some level of understanding of dimensions, as they equate "directions" with axes in the context of mathematical dimensionality and they also bring up the concept of "hyperspace", even calling it "dimensional" in the original language to indicate that "dimensions" in Pokémon can indeed refer to higher infinites. So, what I would take away from this is that "Space" in Pokémon also implicates the existence of "dimensionality" and "directions", both pertaining to a mathematical sense of higher infinities (and besides, what this, at worse confirms, is that Pokémon's multiverse is 5-D anyways considering that Hyperspace means there's 4 spatial dimensions and that the multiverse would have to have an additional time dimension, giving us 5-D total dimensions of the multiverse)

"I EMBODY ALL OF SPACE, NONE CAN STAND BEFORE MY MIGHT AND-"
"OW! OWWW!!! IS...IS THAT LIZARD THING THROWING ROCKS AT ME?! TRUE FORM ARCEUS, I NEED YOU! PLEASE HELP!!!"

>>151232077
Uhh...well....

>>151232101
....that's it? That's all they fucking do? Zorc fucked with time itself and all the legendaries do is blow shit up?

>>151232104
>>600 BST = infinite power in
It's okay.m. You can stop posting. Take a break.

>>151232086
All mirror force victims

>>151232113
Yeah. No legendary Pokemon do anything even island level in the movies.

>in
>It's okay.m.

>>151232106
This is where the whole inspirations come into play, as "The Original One's" connection to both the concept of "Wuji" and "Monad" would just further reinforce this idea that "The Original One" is meant to be this being who is unlimited by boundary and limitation, including extending to the concept of dimensionality. In both of their original forms, "Wuji" and "Monad" would also be at least outerversal (if not potential higher) and while "The Original One" isn't 1:1 with these concepts (at least "Monad" under Gnosticism), we can also draw from these concepts to further argue that "The Original One" is an existence that is outside of dichotomies such as "space" and "time", both being part of it's inner workings

In addition, this wouldn't even just upgrade "The Original One" but also extend to the rest of The Creation Trio as well. Given that Palkia is the literal concept of "dimensionality" and "axes", this would mean that The Creation Trio are HighHyoervsal on the basis of being the very embodiment of dimensionality under a theoretical framework (meaning, this extends to "dimensionality" under our theoretical framework and not anything beyond such an Aleph-1 amount of dimensions or higher, which is outside of our theoretical framework for what dimensionality can encompass according to quantum mechanics)

Yugi won't be nerfed but his cards might though

>"I CONTROL ANTIMATTER, I AM A GOD AMONGST ANTS, AND AM BASICALLY POKEMON SATAN, I'M A VERY BIG DEAL YOU KNOW, AND-"
>"ACK! D-DID THAT FISH JUST SPIT WATER AT ME?! AIIIEEE!!! I CAN'T HANDLE THIS! PLEASE, CHILD, CALL OFF YOUR FISH! AIIIEEE!!!"

>>151231926
>24 Tomura Shigaraki
>25 Mahito
>26 Ruby Rose
>27 Deku
>28 Maka Albarn
Bruh...

>>151232131
Ergo, Ash Ketchum's strongest Pokemon, through scaling above Cynthia, who's Garchomp directly Cancelled out Palkia's Spatial rend, would have pokemon on the level of high hyperversal.

>>151232015
>Victini
>Shitmon
Seriously?

>>151232147
Said fish is unironically high hyperversal according to gamefreak themselves btw.

Someone, ANYONE, please post a Legendary Pokemon destroying a country!

>>151232147
>I AM THE DARK MAGICIAN! I HOLD POWER COMPARABLE TO THAT OF GALACTIC GODS!
>I-IS THAT A TRAIN? SAVE ME KURIBOH!

>>151232174
Which fish are you referring to? I was thinking Horsea.

>>151232176
why just a country?
I’ve never gone out of my way to destroy an ameoba

Chainscaling again?

>All this chain scaling
>To reach building level
Naruhodo

>>151232176
xerneas in new pokemon snap blocked these lifewiping meteors

PLEASE JUST POST A LEGENDARY DESTROYING LITERALLY ANYTHING I NEED TO CHAINSCALING OFF ANYTHING PLEASE I CANT GET FRAUD CHECKED CAN WE NERF MORE OF YOUR CARDS PLEASE DONT MIND CRUSH ME AAIIEEEEEE

>>151232176
Here's Mega Rayquaza destroying the grand meteor delta, which was going to destroy the planet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RpoznrQnio

>>151232211
Oh sweet, some mural that humans made. Surely this awesome feat was shown to have actually happened, right?

>>151232205
God is granting you WISDOM.
Yu-Gi-Oh! Chainscaling:
>The Afterlife/Atem is above the Dragon that creates the OCG Multiverse, the Zexal Dragon that created the anime multiverse, the Zexal Guy/Numeron Code that destroys universes.
>Those guys are above the guys that can screw up a 12D verse (Yubel and Darkness), Zorc and Exodia, and the Star Gods from Duel Terminal and World Legacy, and God himself. The plana is here.
>Below Zorc You have the Egyptian Gods, the Nordic Gods, the Crimson Dragon and the Timelords, Yusei Forma Dorada, and the other creator gods from the OCG. Blue-Eyes White Dragon scales to them.
>Below the Gods You have Toons, OCG monsters that try to steal the power of creator gods (Darklords, Shadolls) and Zarc.
>Below here is a question of hax vs strength vs lore instead of Esoteric Magic. Most Duel Terminal monsters and some Numbers go here.

Oh, okay, so we post leviathan causing a continent level threat, and we get called out for it, but it's okay to scale Pikachu to legendaries that don't do on-screen shit beyond street level damage. Fuck you.

>>151232220
>Meteor level
Rayquaza had to go Mega just for that?

I haven't played it but at the end of Z-A Mega Zygarde blocks the ultimate weapon's blast right? That would be a country level feat

>>151232238
For a planet destroying metoer yes. I can post the calc if you want.

>>151232220
So the peak level of Legendaries is destroying a meteor smaller than a football stadium?

>>151232247
>Town level attack
>Something Ash had no involvement in

>Heh, legendaries are so strong, even the mid-tiers are universal
>Can you show this?
>W-Well, no, but one had to power up to a new form to destroy a rock...

Mewtwo was raped by Shadow in the hot summer of august 2005.

>>151232238
It just felt like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgAyZolUVzM

>>151232251
Offical calcs put it at a few hundreed Zettatons, which is like, planet level+ or something

Okay, ranking the kickstarter fighters using Deepseek:

Tier 0: Boundless / Super-Cosmic
>Simon
>Giorno

Tier 1: Cosmic / Multiversal
>Kyle
>Godzilla
>Hulk
>Asura
>Kratos

Tier 2: Planetary / Star Level
>Bowser
>Clive
>Dante
>Eggman

Tier 3: Continental / Moon Level
>Omni Man
>Bardock
>Joker

Tier 4: City to Mountain Level
>Doomslayer
>Shigaraki
>Mahito
>Maka
>Ruby

Tier 5: Street to Building Level
>Deku
>Miles
>Buffy
>Master Chief
>Blade

Tier 6: Inconsistent but often low due to cartoonish nature
>Wile E
>Tom

Tier 7: Tier 7: Non-Combatants / Game Abstract
>Ash
>Yugi
>Fall Guys
>Among Us

>>151230619 (OP)
Most of this is okay except for a few things.

>Black Hole is BFR
How did he misinterpret "destroy all monsters on the field" to mean "BFR?"

>Mirror Force is a reflect barrier
Almost. It reflects the attack with greatly amplified force. The reflected attack of even a Kuriboh kills all the opponent's monsters, no matter what they are.

>Heh, The Egyptian God cards are so strong, even the mid-tiers are universal
>Can you show this?
>W-Well, no, but they all had to team up together to destroy a town level monster...

>>151232296
hundred*** FUCK I'm such a worthless faggot

Are you seriously telling me Zorc has more notable feats than all of the legendary pokemon in the anime films? Are you shitting me?

>>151232331
Yeah, legendaries basically do nothing impressive, it's all lorescaling.

iirc reshiram and zekrom have a country level feat in the first unova movie

>>151232278
>rape fantasy
>homosexual fantasy
>zoophilia fantasy

>>151232310
What is mid-tier Egyptian God? If you're gonna seethe and cope and mimic green texts, have it make sense.

Isn't the whole lore around Exodia that he struggled fighting a thousand human armies using shit like spears or something?

Reminder that according to OFFICIAL STATEMENTS, every single pokemon who scales
to the creation trio, as well as the creation trio themselves, scale to high hyperversal. Yugi's fodder ass isn't touching Ash. Yugi's getting gaped live for thousands to see.

>>151232366
Slifer

>>151232038
GotenDAMN!

>>151232304
Surprisingly the most accurate one by far

>>151232372
No, it's that he wiped them out without effort.

>>151230641
Third

Again. if you're a REAL SCHOLAR, You'll understand Pokémon Scaling. If you don't get how Ash's Pokémon are all high hyperversal, then I'm sorry but you're just retarded and can't be trusted to actually power scale

>>151232366
Slifer is a known jobber in the YGO fandom while Obelisk just rapes every other monster. Ra is just there.

>>151232015
Yugi has too many instant win moves he can do whenever he likes. He doesn't even need to use cards. He can do what Bakura and Pegasus can do and either seal Ash in a space bubble or stick his soul in a random object. If he felt like being really mean, he could seal his soul inside the puzzle like Zorc, maybe even WITH Zorc depending on when the series Yugi is taken.

Gengar can't save Ash's soul from the puzzle. Shadi's key let him enter and reshape minds/souls and he couldn't even save himself when he was inside the puzzle. Gengar would be trapped along with Ash.

>Duel Gods and deities rip open the fabric of reality or move to clash two entire dimensions together in every part of Yu-Gi-Oh
>No feats of legendaries doing anything remotely close.

>>151230619 (OP)
Imagine if they say Dark Hole wouldn't work because Ash would just recall his Pokemon back to their balls and release them immediately after so Yugi would just destroy his own shit like an idiot

>>151232425
Ra is a ball.

>>151232445
>rip open the fabric of reality or move to clash two entire dimensions together
Can you post this happening? Not arguing just curious

>>151232304
What Cosmic / Multiversal feats has Kratos done onscreen, again?

>>151232415
Oh shit never mind turns out the blog I was researching to back this was made by a known Lolicon.

You have my apology, Yugibros. I'm not associating with pedophilic lolishit, not even to defend Ash.

>>151232445
>Jubel technically has more on-screen dimensional feats than Palkia or Dialga
Oh my fucking god

>>151232514
I wasn't even thinking him, but that's true. I was thinking of ZEXAL where the main villain, Don Thousand, was about to clash the dimensions together before the protagonists beat him.

>>151232514
Yugifeats vs Pokestatements

>>151232555
Post the egyptian gods doing a country level feat

>>151232497
He has this one

>>151232484
It was basically just a flash of light, but the entire premise of ARC-V is that some normal guy fused with his dragon monster and split his dimension into four.

They're merging the champions island teams and there will be a vote to save one character from each team, except Team Wiz will vote to save a Team Boomstick character and vice versa. The remaining characters are Geats, Sakuya, Miku, Slenderman, Ash Williams and Henry Stickmin.

>Egyptian gods can-
Snip snip...

>>151232584
>4 jpegs of earth
waoh...

>>151232584
Okay, but can you like, show the feat?

>>151232601
More than what the legendaries got.

Here's Halberd Cannon, just a regular normal monster, not even a hyped up god
Creating a supernova from one of its attacks
https://youtu.be/FK1NWpreChI?si=sVrKAsstm_mtd1ER

>>151232591
Now see as funny as this is, I don't know if it would even work since Atem was able to revive and summon them without even needing to draw the cards at all. He just WILLED it to happen.

>>151232643
Atem isn't immune to scissors either.

Wait who's the featsman here?

>>151232632
Oh okay

>>151232690
Neither of them

>>151232690
Neither really

>>151232643
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqmPknhHEVE
>DID YOU JUST RIP A CARD???
>FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK

>>151232591
>>151232664
I see your multiversal scissors and raise you multiversal rock.

>>151232690
Yugi/Atem. Duel Monsters as a whole, really.

>>151232619
>Eats your soul before you can even get close to them
https://youtu.be/Zv9ipYtb7Ao?si=8tJ07PQzo_cf2YDJ

>>151232712
How the hell did Weevil not die from this

>>151232724
No, I meant the feat of the guy splitting dimensions, please don't go off on some tangent.

>>151230786
That's as dumb as letting Yugi do a synchro link bridge or whatever and win in five seconds. Ash should be capped at Orange Island, or maybe Hoen and Yugi should be capped at Battle City.

>>151232697
Exactly. That's just a regular card capable of doing that

>>151232734
Because card attacks don't actually attack you physically. This is common knowledge.

>>151232713
>multiversal rock
Multiversal Paper victim.

>>151232738
Oh, sorry, I mean to respond to this guy
>>151232591
That said, the god cards are tricky because eating the world is exactly what the heroes are trying to avoid, and the more impressive feats are from monsters that are canonically weaker

>>151232738
It's literally just done in a flash of light, so it'd just be showing you a white square, not gonna go hunt it down when the end result is what the entire spinoff is about.

>>151232734
shadow games down with the seal deal damage to ones soul. If this were a shadow game like the ones in battle city upon hitting zero life points weevil would have died

>>151232484
in gx, cyber end dragon's attack getting parried causes this dimensional rift (they are dueling across two dimensions btw)
in zexal, don thousand merged two universes together so that he could control the numeron code. no webm of this for the moment

>>151232724
So wait, the god cards aren't even limited by their cards? Just an image alone is enough to summon them?

>>151232724
>Eats your soul before you can even get close to them
*sends in Ginger with scissors*
I'm afraid these gods will go hungry this time.

>>151232804
Yep yep. Which is insane to think about

>>151232804
Again, the cards themselves are conduits. They summon monsters that are otherwise elsewhere, in the gods case imprisioned. The gods are just so stupidly overpowered, just their image gives them power and to manifest it draws them out.

>>151232826
Doesn't this mean that Yugi could just... think of them and they'd appear and devour Ash's soul?

>>151232591
>*Egyptian god smites you with lightning*
Done.

>>151232814
>The cards didn't exist yet and still were able to interact with the world
>Thinks it'll do anything
dumb dumb...

>>151232804
>Just an image alone is enough to summon them?
Or a link to them according to DSoD/Duel Links. thank you kaiba

Guys, can you post Arceus creating the universe? I know it was said it happened, but I sure never saw it.

>>151232837
Yes. Because again. the rules and effects ARE the nerf. They are bound magically by them, because if they weren't they'd be unstoppable.

>>151232834
Jesus christ. Yeah, I don't think Gengar is doing anything against these guys.

>>151231436
Reminder Goku and Beerus making some universal shockwaves a decade ago completely buckbroke powerscaling forever

>>151232867
This thing?
https://youtu.be/hi6WyRP6Cog?si=oWG7f1dRnPeJ4_hS

>>151232845
More like Egyptian JOBBERS

>>151232853
>Sends in ginger with hammer and chisel
Heh, nothing personal...

>>151230707
>Phenomaman VS Invincible setting is just that Smiling Friends ep where Mr. Frog stands there depressed while everyone splatters themselves trying to damage him

>>151232920
I honestly blame DC, Marvel and ESPECIALLY Dragon Ball for ruining powerscaling. If these fags weren't around, things were be a LOT more tolerable.

>>151230839
Kwab
"A typical lightning flash is about 300 million Volts and about 30,000 Amps. In comparison, household current is 120 Volts and 15 Amps."

>>151232953
What feats does Phenomaman have, anyway?

>>151232920
And it wasn't even universal either.

>>151232900
>the rules and effects ARE the nerf
I don't know if those same rules will apply in a death battle.

>>151232837
>and they'd appear and devour Ash's soul?
I mean, Atem could technically summon Ammut and tell him to skip the formalities and devour the soul
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Ammit

>>151232934
No, that was creating an egg.

>>151232959
But who ruined it more? Surely the one who did the most damage is the strongest.

>>151232804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsyyqAjGzPs

>>151232988
Yeah, an egg for a new embodiment of time, space or antimatter

>>151232920
Then Vegeta died to Earth exploding, explicitly the explosion of the planet is what killed him.

>>151232989
Dragon Ball but only because they're the most popular and everyone else is obsessed with arms racing against Goku

>>151233002
So...not a universe.

>>151232986
Kill yourself listtroon.

>>151232972
They won't but that doesn't do anything in Ash's favor, it just means they have more control to fuck shit up more than usual.

>>151232986
EWWWWWW

>>151232583
HOLY FUARK!!

>>151233017
You mean Dragon Ball more popular than DC or Marvel? It's nowhere near their levels.

>>151232969
The words on the screen said it was universal though

>>151232986
Really any monster could do the job. It really just depends on how overkill he wants to make it

>>151233041
Post comic books being relevant outside of capeslop movies that never factor in to powerscaling because they're all far weaker than comic versions

>>151232837
I don't think that ever happened

>>151233042
The text is wrong, then.

>>151233027
im not fucking listroon you motherfucker

>>151233063
Superman alone is more iconic than all of anime.

>>151233085
Kill yourself listtroon.

>>151233087
mario is more iconic and popular

>>151233102
Okay. So, Mario > Superman > Anime.

>>151233087
>Superman
Who?

*taps the sign*

>>151232499
>pokewankers are pedophiles or zoophiles
lol!

YugiFEATS won this thread hard

>>151233131
>listtroon out of NOWHERE
YugiFAGGOTs...

>>151233123
What is this, a sign for ants?!

>>151233154
As expected.

>>151233152
>All those hearts.
Pokephilia.

So, Obelisk can just rip the souls out of Ash's pokemon. Got it

There's not enough Kratos in this thread. It's annoying.

>>151233123
Pokemon, Hello Kitty, Winnie the Pooh, all that matters.

>>151233179
>Pokephilia.
Yeah, Dark Magician is a freak like that.

Okay so barring not having free team wipes does this not being a yugioh buff Yugi?

>>151232986
>Dark Yugi answers the riddle and is released from Ammit.
>"I came to test you, but I'm the one who was tested."
kino

>>151233205
Yes, but you're supposed to seethe and shit about it
If they rule Yugi to have more AP than Ash I don't even see why the team wipe wouldn't work

>>151233205
Meant yugioh duel*

>>151233087
Superman can't even make more money than Demon Slayer movies nowadays, and we all know how that outsold all of comic books

Post Yugi destroying a mountain.
Post Ash destroying a mountain.
Post Dante destroying a mountain.
Post Blade destroying a mountain.
Post Buffy destroying a mountain.
Post Miles destroying a mountain.
Post Deku destroying a mountain.

>>151233239
I can post Kratos destroying a mountain.

>>151233225
So Avatar is the best thing over since it made a billion dollars.

>Ash Ketchum
>Multiverse level, likely Multiverse level+ (Fought and defeated Cynthia in the Masters Tournament Semifinals, whose Garchomp could cancel out Palkia's Spacial Rend. Fought and defeated Leon, who is stronger than Cynthia, in the Masters Tournament Finals), higher with Mega Evolution, Z-Moves, or Dynamax (All three power-ups provide major boosts to his Pokemon's power. His Pikachu's 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt heavily damaged Steven's Mega Metagross despite not fully connecting and matched Leon's Gigantamax Charizard's G-Max Wildfire. His Mega Lucario defeated both Cynthia's Dynamax Togekiss and her weakened Garchomp, the former of whom gave his Pikachu trouble in its base form. His Gigantamax Gengar overpowered and defeated Leon's Inteleon. His Gigantamax Pikachu one-shot Leon's Gigantamax Cinderace)
>Yugi Muto
>Low Multiverse level via powers (Is much stronger than his other self. Has the spirit energy to summon all of The Egyptian Gods. Referred to as "the Ultimate Duelist", by Future Yugi in GX), higher after unleashing his name (Was able to summon Horakhty who casually One-shot Zorc Necrophades upon being summoned)

>best thing over
SuperBROWN...

>>151233249
Post Kratos destroying a mountain.

>>151233261
Post Ash destroying a multiverse.
Post Yugi destroying a low multiverse.

Post Arceus destroying a universe.

>>151233282
That's how strong he is according to the devs when he isn't rusty. He's no longer rusty so he can do it.

>>151233296
Uhhh I can post it jobbing to a planet level meteor does that count?

>>151231616
I was I wish buck brocken by wargreymon and tai...

>>151233289
Why would they do that? They're heroes

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE A FUCKING HOLOGRAM TO YOU

>>151233306
>dev statements
POST HIM DESTROYING A MOUNTAIN!

>>151233316
Yes. Honestly it just looks ugly and poorly drawn

Yugi... is STRONG.

>>151233316
Looks like drawing to me, so even less impressive.

>>151233316
It was an illusion according to CANON.

>>151233330
He will destroy a mountain now that he's no longer rusty, so he's effectively already done so.

>>151233334
Door level galaxies.

>>151233351
NIGGA SHE FUCKING KILLED THAT GUY

>>151233351
Outerversal illusion.

>>151233205
Things it changes:
>Yugi can now summon any creature that exists instead of what cards he has. Exodia is back on the table
>Albeit it was Pokecope to begin with, destroying the duel disk or cards themselves is no longer a win condition
It also just opens up a lot more room for Dark Magic, Millennium item and season 0 bullshit.

I too remember the time Yugi was casually given an item that lets him see the future.

>>151233364
>kills some random fat old man
Okay, and?

post ash killing a person

>>151233405
Pompeii

>>151233377
The more i look into it the more it sounds like Yugi slams. Hell if they give him all the millennium items (they won't because unironically wtf is ash gonna do) Yugi has several different possession items. Straight up future sight, mind reading, bakura literally turned them into cards with the ring so that's a thing Yugi would get access to. Can create a field with drains the strength of the opponent (serious wtf is with the millennium eye).

>>151233405
Lysandre

>>151233364
He probably just had a heart attack. Boomers get startled easily

>>151233454
>serious wtf is with the millennium eye
In the manga, It has the soul of the High Priest of Darkness trapped, this guy is Akhenaden corrupted by Zorc

>>151232584
>>151232619
>>151232738

>>151233572
Jesus Christ this series is retarded in a hilarious way

Ash's biggest feat is screaming "dodge it" and then if he's lucky the pokemon dodges it

>>151233650
So Pokemon attacks are well below the speed of sound

>>151233669
I mean if he can scream dodge it and the pokemon comprehends it, and dodges based on the fact he screeched dodge it, then yes, yes they are.