Thread 151273489

Season 2 Episode 5 is my favorite episode of the series so far. Vox is badass now

Charlie x Vaggie is the one thing that completely ruined the show.

>Vox is so racist
>also Vox
>wants Alastor's dick, despite insulting other Overlords seems pretty nice to Zeezi

will fujos still like vox even if its confirmed he was a nazi?

>losing to power of friendship
>no kaiju battle that destroys half the city
But him being purely electricity is cool I guess

Saw some people on another site say that Vivzie used to post on 4chan, is it true and do you think she still does? It makes sense since her shows are this weird blend of SJW wokeness and somewhat edgy humor

>>151273558
He was always going to lose to friendship since he voiced for season 4
Literal hitler will be redeemed

Vaggie's VA said her least favorite character dies this season. Place your bets.

>>151273489 (OP)
christian borle was the perfect casting. he makes vox sounds so fucking charismatic and full of character.

>>151273570
Rosie maybe?

>>151273570
I thought we already know that no one dies

tune in next week when Vox jobs to song no jutsu

>>151273570
Most likely Valentino

>>151273545
>mogs your canon ship

>I AM ADOLF HITLER COMMAND OF ZE THIRD REICH
>Hear my hope!!!!!

>>151273545
She pegs?

it starts with sorry (reprise) ft. vox

>>151273545
No dick, no action.
Even Vivziepop admits this.

>>151273600
Charlastor is fucking shit now that Charlie doesn't even care he's captured by a bunch of rapists and then blamed him for it. Charlie a shit.

>>151273613
AIIIE!!!

>>151273600
>lesbian or serial-killing future NASA scientist
Guess there's no winning here.

>>151273607
She just tops. Probably with a strap-on since they don't seem to trim nails in this show.

>>151273554
>a racist who is only attracted to brown men (Val and Al)
Why are you surprised? Nazis are always like this

>>151273605
i like how people keep comparing him to hitler instead of the obvious reference.
>make hell great again

>>151273622
>>151273613
IT'LL TAKE TIME TO COVER
MY VAST HOLOCAUST OF JEWS
BUT SORRY IS WHERE IT BEGINS

>>151273557
Radiostatic and Staticmoth stocks are flying to the moon right now, so yes.

>>151273617
I don't know about that one.

>>151273620
Everyone is really feeding into his utilitarian view of friendship this season

>>151273647
Ew.

>>151273626
The most unbelievable thing about this whole show is that Charlie tops

Vox will get redeemed and that's how he's "subdued" by the way
He can't bother Hell anymore because winners can't leave

>leaks revealed Alastor gets free of both deals
>so Vox has to prove he's the most powerful sinner on his own - no Vees helping - in order for Alastor to get out of Rosie contract
>Vox also has to lay a hand on Charlie for Alastor to get out of Vox's deal
Vees are going to abandon Vox once he makes it to the top and he'll have to attack or hurt Charlie at some point. That, or she touches him, probably holds his hand and sings about the power of friendship or some gay shit like that, calling it now

>makes normies seethe
it's that easy, huh?

>>151273656
>>151273622
>Viv has the attention span of a fucking goldfish
>the DO YOU THINK I CAN BE REDEEMED CHARLIE line was foreshadowing for vox literally being redeemed
will kill myself if true

>>151273672
I think it'd be better if Valentino gets mercd and redeemed for standing up to Vox and that makes Vox stand down because muh friendship look what I became

do anons here prefer vox getting redeemed or killed?

vox will kill cultman himself with an angelic weapon in an attempt to get into heaven and then wake up zero souls powerscaling level in hell instead of being redeemed

>>151273668
They hate it because it was the original plan for the characters and made way more sense for the story.

>>151273686

Killed. Dunno who the fuck Viv is kidding redeeming anyone in this show.

>>151273686
Death for TVboy.

>>151273489 (OP)
Episode 4 blows it all out of the water

>>151273686
Unfortunately he is guaranteedly living in some form since the va voices him til season 4

>>151273570
You, the viewer.

>>151273572
That's a sick-ass jacket

>>151273686
I want not just him, but all the Vees to be redeemed.
Then they're all preaching about Charlie's program and it gets popular among the Sinners because clearly if the Vees say it works it must be great, meanwhile Charlie is seething that its only because of them she's getting more people.

>>151273592
Will be the most interesting thing he does this season. People will seethe if he somehow ends up getting redeemed while Angel didn't.

>>151273686
dead

>>151273711
>Charlie has darkness in her soul because “the wrong kind” of sinners got redeemed.
That would be amazing.

>>151273544
NIGGA HEIL VOXTEC

>nickname is literally angel
>have a different lineart compared to everyone else, more closely resembling winners
where is viv going with this

If Abel's halo is dented because he got his head caved in with a rock that's actually one of the most hilarious visual gags of the show

>>151273686
>>151273717
Neither Vox or Valentino are getting redeemed. People forget that the only reason Pentious got redeemed so suddenly, is because he was never really a bad guy to begin with. He had a single serious sin and he redeemed himself for that. People like Vox and Valentino have tons of sins that they've commited multiple times. Realistically it should take them years upon years to be redeemed, and it would feel lazy if a single good act got them redeemed.

>>151273572
Swap the black out for red.

>Hell starts rising up
>start exterminations to prevent them from rebelling and to keep Heaven safe
>prove redemption is possible so no need for exterminations anymore
>Hell immediately starts rebelling again
really proving Sera right to approve them.

>>151273630
Is this based on chainsaw man?

>Adam is in heaven.
>Is at first happy.
>Eve doesn’t come
>She’s actually in Hell
>Sad
>Ends up trying to become a protector of heaven
>Joins the exorcists
>Meets Lute
>Actually gets sadder because of how heaven views them and uses them up
>Realizes that the exorcists only exist because of sinners
>Gets sadder and fatter
>Tells Vaggie at one point “Heaven isn’t even good.”
>It sticks with her, badly.

>>151273726
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE THINGS I SAY ON VOXTAGRAM
ALL MY NIGGAS SINNERS
NIGGA HEIL VOXTEK
NIGGA HEIL VOXTEK
NIGGA HEIL VOXTEK

>>151273842
That is really dark.

I wonder if the exorcists only existed because Adam followed after the banished Eve to make the sinners. So he sticks by them, blaming himself for their unfortunate existence.

So how big is Charlie’s demon futa dick

>>151273545
Hot, would do the same with both

>>151273552
Vaggie's voice actress can't sing and was horribly auto-tuned but im glad that they for once confirmed they're an item

>>151273888
Charlie confirmed for strapon lezdom

>>151273835
LMAO

>>151273835
the one that got away

>>151273901
I was fucking cackling when her voice switched up the moment she started singing

>>151273600
Alastor has been mogged by canon all season long doe

>>151273888
At least she's packing in one area.

>>151273922
They should have never given Vaggie that monotone voice.

>>151273631
She's a year late regardless and now she can seethe for the next three

>>151273686
It'd be funny if he redeemed and went to heaven on a technicality. The idea of Vox having to cope with heaven is a laugh.

I expect he'll die and those voice acting lines for S3 & 4 are flashbacks or Adam-style hallucinations. However he's entertaining as fuck and Alastor's story will be less fun without him, so I'd rather he stick around.

>>151273888
>Not too big, not too small, just enough to leave her Loose-ifer!
>Dick joke! Haha, amirite Charlie?

>>151273840
Yes

>>151273922
yeah, even Keith David has managed to pull of two bangers despite not being a singer and yet Vaggie's VA had to resort to AI slop singing

>>151273944
Leals indicate he's gonna win in the end of this season. Prepare for him to be the final villain of the series.

>>151273888
Pretty sure Viv said Charlie is the bottom

>>151274024
That only means Vaggie rides her hot demon cock.

>>151274022
Can agree

>>151274024
Viv is retarded then because all the genuine Chaggie shippers prefer Vaggie as the bottom. Bitch cares so little for the lesbian ship that she doesn't even bother following the usual tropes

>>151273613
>>151273622
Ib4 it's Vox mocking the concept of redemption or forcing everyone to apologise to him.

>>151274036
Why do you care about dyke stuff this much?

>>151273620
Wait for season 3 after Alastor escapes his deals

>>151274036
Do you genuinely think an autist like Charlie would be a top in any relationship? No, it makes perfect sense for the more serious and founded Vaggie to be the top

>>151273570
Notice how hard her nipples are right now?

Vox is not going to be redeemed, no, there was no foreshadowing, him asking the question doesn't imply he himself will be redeemed. It's obvious the demon that's going to die is going to be Vox.

Cope, seethe, ect.

>>151274071
I'm sorry, does that absolve Charlie of being an uncaring cunt towards him? I hope he kills her next season desu

>>151274084
>implying Vaggie doesn't power bottom

>>151274084
this

Chaggie drama keeps on being pointless preschooler shit that gets resolved in one episode, I wonder what inane thing they will fight over in the middle acts of S3 and S4

>>151273720
based

>>151274126
They do this because Vaggie isn’t interested on sinners, redemption, or anything besides lesbo Charlie sex.
If Vaggie had a love plot with a sinner, this wouldn’t really happen.

>>151274133
I thought they'd at least do more with her exorcist background, her character is just being Charlie's tardwrangler and it doesn't even work because she has no power over her

>>151274022
he's always so smug but never really does anything

Lu completely mogged him in the finale and now he's tv head guy's pawn
alastor's stonks are being shorted as we speak

>>151274126
Charlie has a one track mind and always gets mad at vaggie when she's not fully on board with her redemption plans

there are so many characters there isn't enough space to actually make her develop a personality beyond the main plot of the show
vaggie might as well be a fleshlight but for women

What's the worst (thus most likely to happen) possible way for Vox to lose?

>>151274162
taxes

>>151273778
>Alastor Hitler

>>151274145
>this meme
You're retarded, he's already splitting up the Vees which is what bites Vox in the ass in the end. Spoilers already say all of Alastor's plans follow through and he becomes free and no longer handicapped by Rosie. His arc is meant to contrast Vox, he's willing to drag himself through the dirt in order to achieve his goals while Vox isn't. Alastor is clearly being primed as a major villain down the line.
>Lu completely mogged him
Lucifer is more cucked than anybody in this show due to not being able to hurt sinners

>>151274168
Vox is in hell, he probably loves taxes

>>151274179
kek

>>151274162
gets his mojo stolen by the torrent demon of tv piracy

>>151274186
This is kino

>>151274175
>Alastor will be a major villain later on

Nah, I don't think so. The story makes it obvious that Alastor cares more about the hotel and the crew more than he'd like to admit. The end game will obviously be a confrontation with heaven

>>151273570
Considering the leaks Lucifer will die eventually, maybe not this season but the next

>>151273605
>"Manifest Destiny"
>"I am the Fuhrer"
>"I'm a mensch"

>>151274215
Charlie is being groomed to take over hell its true but I think Lillith will be the one who dies

>>151274206
>The story makes it obvious that Alastor cares more about the hotel and the crew more than he'd like to admit
How? He's only using Charlie to get out of his deal and was forced into the hotel in the first place. There's a reason he laughs in Vox's face, he genuinely doesn't believe in friendship. Dude's affable, but it's all fake

>>151273835
undeniably based desu

>>151274162
>staticradio is the most hightlighted ship of the season
>definitely one of viv's favorite ship
vox is gonna fumble and gets tricked by alastor in some sort of desperate attempt to save himself so he makes another deal with him. he's going to get lobotomized and becomes alastor's dog

>>151274219
Now post this artist's Vox/Alastor yaoi.

>>151274071
>the favor was sex

>>151274240
>definitely one of viv's favorite ship
Not sure if that's true, but I'm wondering if she didn't have as many radiostatic tweets in her likes because it was genuine spoilers to a major part of Vox's character.

Why Hazbin Hotel would be better with Angel X Vaggie:
>This makes redemption and the separation between hell and heaven more problematic:
>Angel Dust has a sister in heaven.
>Vaggie is banished to hell, making it seem like Angel’s redemption could seperate them for good, but then she could be brought back to Heaven
>Charlie would be stuck in hell alone if Vaggie decides to go with redeemed Angel Dust

>The plotlines wouldn’t forget that redemption and redeeming sinners is essential for the show. With a main sinner to care about for his redemption, Angel Dust:
>Angel, a redeeming sinner, would have to be more engaged with the main plots of the seasons. And would make more sense for why he’s the person she shows to Heaven.
>Vaggie being an exorcist could’ve actually killed a lot of people Angel cared about, who’ve wanted to free him from Val’s abuse.
>Angel’s side-gig would be a lot more hilarious if he notices Vaggie in his performances and makes her feel weird about it.
>Husk and other redeeming sinners would be more relevant and have more scenes, instead of being taken up by Charlie and Vaggie dyke drama adventure business stuff.

>>151274145
And what's worse is that since Chaggie already have an established relationship that eats up screentime, it feels like Charlie hasn't really bonded with anyone else from the cast
>Husk is the one who had a heart-to-heart Angel (and it was Vaggie's idea)
>only interaction with Husk is "N-NO DON'T LEAVE WE NEED THE BAR"
>doesn't give a fuck about Alastor leaving even though she apparently almost saw him as a father figure
>doesn't even know about Pentious' sin, what the fuck do they talk about during their designated therapy sessions
>Niffty and Baxter might as well not exist
>genuinely can't remember if she even talks to Cherri
Is the twist that Charlie is actually fucking pointless and the hotel might as well run itself?

>>151274255
I got Charlie brain, meant to quote >>151274158

>>151274241
Vitler would never kiss a black man

>>151274036
Charlie is a top.

>>151273570
the rapist pimp?

>>151274262
>literally fucking a Latino and canonically in love with a half black man
Vitler only likes colored men

>>151274175
Idk how I only just now noticed this, but it bothers the hell out of me that his eyelids go right over and on top of his hair somehow

>>151274269
makes sense as vaggie has no will of her own

she's an accessory to Charlie's plans

>>151274279
Val is Cuban and white Cubans exist

>>151274144
>>151274158
They should’ve made Vaggie and Angel Dust the main ship and characters instead. It would’ve been a far better story on a show about redemption, and Angel would be more willing to listen to Vaggie and trust her than Charlie ever will.

Vaggie and Angel dusts as the main leagues will have this. Vaggie will be caught up in Charlie’s business ventures and Angel will give us a greater insight into the hotel.

Charlie should’ve instead been the important side-character with the cool lore. Redemption is completely shallow to her from Season 1 to the very last Season of the show. Her place as the main league is extremely damaging to the entire show and often detracts away from what should’ve been the main plot instead, the sinner that needs to be redeemed. Making them the afterthought plots. When they shouldn’t be!

>>151274301
She's a house wife. What more would you even want from them.

>>151274307
His reaction to Vox's racism definitely indicates he's not white

Love these guys.

>>151274309
Read this >>151274309

>>151274315
hot damn

>>151274255
charlie is the CEO of hazbin hotel, the main vision, the founding partner

she's there to be seen and lead but not heard
that's her underlings' job

>>151274255
Read this: >>151274255

Someone here is massively drunk.

>>151274255
Read this: >>151274309

>>151274333
yay you finally got it right

>>151274307
Doesn't erase his crush on a black man. Vitler wants to kiss the deer.

>>151274335
frfr

what did he mean by this

>>151274354
>Vox being attracted to a woman
I know he's "bi" but he's so fucking gay

>>151274279
he just doesn't know Alastor is as shit skinned as a pig in an alley. He'll probably find out and lose his shit "in act 3" when he inevitably realizes he's been fapping to a mulatto for 70 years

>>151274358
>only ever shown attraction to men so far
even valentino gets shown flirting and having multiple women by his side

>>151274361
Your conception of Vox is retarded, most Nazis are obsessed with BBC

>>151274373
he thinks he was attracted to aryan dick all this time proving you right anyways

I just heard something but not sure if true. Have you guys heard that Velvette is actually secretly running the Vees by using some kind of potion to control Vox and Val but they don't realise it?

It would kind of make sense with Viv's whole female-centric thing and maybe it's a love potion and that's why they are fags, but they would be heterosexual otherwise? They are overlords, so they would all be trying to fuck each other over in some way shape or form because there are no friends in hell, so maybe they all think they are in charge of the other two in some way but only Velvette actually is.

>>151274338
It was making me so mad that I didn’t.

I 100% think this show is fucked to the shits because of this awful foundation it got itself into. Charlie and Vaggie becoming for the sake of pandering to Yuri-faggots was one of the worst possible things Vivziepop could’ve done for the characters. That when I see the angel Vaggie stuff, Angel’s story, and the the old Angel x Vaggie material, I can’t help but see a far better Hazbin Hotel story that made way more sense and isn’t a total hot mess.

Like Hazbin Hotel is actually some garbage ass yaoi fan-fiction of a much more competently told animated series. Where no one in the main Hazbin Hotel cast was a faggot. And Angel Dust was the only exception by having a former abusive boyfriend he wants to leave behind for Vaggie. And only some characters like Vox and Val were outright gay.

>>151274322
>she’s there to lead
LEAD THEM INTO THE FUCKING GROUND SHE’S USELESS

>>151274424
>maxwell
Complete non character

>>151273600
Ships that have to be ooc to work are always shit.

>>151274434
Furball

>>151274444
>Ships that have to be ooc to work are always shit.
That’s basically Chaggie and HunkerDust in a nutshell

>>151274444
Checked, accurate and agreed.

>>151273686
Vox is my favorite character but I genuinely don't know what should happen to him.

>>151274464
he unironically should've been the main character yeah. i wanna see him win if we're being honest

>>151274444
>4 4s
based and checked, I still ship it though

expectations vs reality

>>151274525
That has no right being as cute as it is.

Vaggie fucked this?!?

>>151274544
It looks like a little spore monster.

>>151274544
She looks like a lemur

Boy am I glad we finally got to see and hear more of the overlords, sure hope they don’t just end up getting slaughtered afterwards.

>>151274358
>>151274368
Is there a single fucking straight or even just homosexual person in hell? Everyone is needs to be a full spectrum.

>>151274563
Didn't the cactus guy run away seeing Alastor and the old spider guy?
So much for an overlord.

REMOVE DEMONS!!

>I'M THE SERPENT
>I'M THE FLAME
>THE MORTAL WORLD IS SCARED TO SAY MY NAME
if Viv doesn't release a full version of this then she's more retarded than it seems

>>151274563
>no Rosie

>>151274559
Guess that's why she's so cute.

>>151274568
kill demons, behead demons, roundhouse kick demons into the concrete, slam dunk a demon baby into the trash can, crucify filthy demons, defecate into demons food, launch demons into the sun, stir fry demon in a wok, toss demons into active volcanoes, urinate into demon's gas tank, judo throw demons into a wood chipper, twist demons heads off, report demons to the IRS, karate chop demons in half, curb stomp pregnant demons, trap demons in quicksand, crush demons in the trash compactor, liquify demons in a vat of acid, eat demons, dissect demons, exterminate demons in the gas chamber, stomp demon skulls with steel-toed boots, cremate demons in the oven, lobotomize demons, mandatory abortions for demons, grind demon fetuses in the garbage disposal, drown demons in fried chicken grease, vaporize demons with a raygun, kick old demons down the stairs, feed demons to alligators, slice demons with a katana.

>>151274569
Daww it's so tiny.

>Lute sees Carmilla
>She loses her mind because her and Carmilla were in the same exorcist squad together
>Carmilla supplied Charlie with the weapons to kill the Exorcists and Adam
I hope Carmilla dies in season 3 so badly.

>>151274581
kek true

>>151274568
I love the way Lute is animated almost like a bird of prey, like a hawk or griffin. Especially in the Gravity scene.

>>151274566
Seems like Overlords have their own pecking order, this series loves its powerlevel hierarchy after all.

Lute is the most sympathetic character
Change my mind

Alastor is the most powerful demon because Lilith purposely left. When she comes back the deal won't stand up anymore

>>151274611
He is the most powerful Sinner.
Lilith as the original woman is probably different, just like how Adam and Abel are archangels (golden wings) for some reason as the first Winners.

>>151274571
As far as Vox (likely) knows Rosie is Al’s BFF, plus she also helped defend the hotel in season 1. It wouldn’t be surprising if he purposely steered clear of her.

>>151274565
>straight
Niffty, Millie, Stella, probably Striker.
>homosexual
Angel Dust, Vaggie, Fizzarolli, literally every Goetia man except Ozzie (why do you think they love their arranged marriages, they wouldn't reproduce otherwise), one of Crimson's guy, Millie's sister.

Carmilla is one of those characters who deserves a perma-death.

I am calling it now because Vox’s true form is an electronic current and he’s possessing the tv body he will “subdued” by having them trap him inside some electronic device where he can still talk but can’t escape from. When I’m right you owe me $5.

>>151274649
>Fizzarolli
>Angel Dust
They are porn actors/whores and let themselves be fucked by women too.

>>151274611
Can dale become a overlord in hazbin hell?

>>151274670
>gets trapped in Angel's dildo

>>151274444
checked and trvke

>>151274607
What is her goal anyways? She wants to kill Vaggie? But she already failed that twice and it's not like she's stronger now. And we all know the show isn't gonna kill off Charlie's gf.

>>151274670
Wait doesn’t that mean Vox could inhabit a female TV body and I could fuck him?

>>151274568
Best girl. 100% correct. Heaven would be safe if they listened to her.

>>151274670
>Baxter traps his ass in a fish in the hotel

>>151274255
She... can be cute? She's still got that, right?

>>151273570
Either valentino or velvette

>>151274701
In season 3, she will be stronger, possessed by Eve/Roo, and driven more mad, but probably ends up forfeiting revenge willingly.

>>151274722
>electronic device
>fish

>>151274735
How about one of these?

THAT JEW IS BACK

>>151274747
>pretty boy and korean
>not old broadcaster white guy in his 50s

Into the trash

>>151274735
Baxter specializes in bio weapons they're putting him in a mini shockwav and he plays the role of klaus from american dad from now on in the Hotel

>>151274752
>Does He Know
The Vox silhouette we got was 100% a twink because Viv won't allow anything else for her nazi TV

>>151274755
I would not mind this as long as it’s semi electronic.

>>151274755
>he plays the role of klaus from american dad from now on in the Hotel
lmao

>>151274701
Lute absolutely dominated Vaggie in their fight, she only lost due to random enviroment damage and then she came right back without an arm and Vaggie was barely holding her off.

>>151274670
If Viv had balls she would do like Porky in Mother 3 and have him trapped in something then buried and forgotten forever. Fate worse than death.

Adam x Lute will have the best storyline and lore in this entire show. And after they’re done, I will not continue it.

Lute’s one song and Vox’s VA is breaking his fucking back to carry his season.

>>151274784
>Forgetting Love in a bottle
It mogged every other song in the show

>>151274747
>Vivz said somewhere that s2 inspired by the Trump victory
>Anons unironically comparing Vox/Trump to Hitler
Kek, le 4d chess by Vivz, take that republicans. How does it feels to by psy-oped by wide queen with obvious furry costume somewhere in her closet.

>>151274798
But then the episode was ruined by another Angel song.

>>151274775
>It ends with Adam, Lute, and the Exorcist at a new Eden where they’re seperated off from Hell and Sera’s Heaven.
>No longer bound to deal with sinners anymore

>>151274805
Will we ever be free of the angel dust
ruins funny or good moments plague

>>151274801
Vitler is funny on all accounts because fujos want to fuck him even more and /co/ will eternally shitpost it

>>151274808
You christfags project onto those two to an autistic degree

>>151274316
The people most offended by racism today are white retards so that still fits

If Vox is Orange Man Bad MechaHitler
Why did they make him so likeable and have a point?

>>151274827
Why did they have to make his past version so rapeable?

>>151274827
because hitler was likeable and had a point

>>151274834
So you can feel sorry for him when Alastor rejects his offer, as many did last week.

>>151274845
I don’t feel sorry for him I want to rape him.

>>151274827
Trump isn't likeable? The guy had Hulk Hogan open up for his victory speech. When the hell will you ever see anything so retardedly, but charmingly, American?

>>151274827
Doesn't orange man love musicals?

>>151274822
In l Heaven, Lute and those girls were made and thrown away to do warring 24/7 and Adam had to adapt to them and their insanity. It’s also Adam’s fault that they exist only for this purpose, because the Sinners wouldn’t exist without his dick.

>>151274834
>past version
He's still in there.

>>151274842
Someone PLEASE draw vox feeding deer like pic related

>>151273489 (OP)
Guess I have a reason to finish season 1 now.

May be my favorite song
Rate the songs btw

Will Vox be blonde (drumpf) or black haired (zitler)? Place bets now

>>151274879
Black haired, valentino was blonde tho

>>151274827
>>151274834
Because in fiction writen by femanoids, the biggest and baddest subhuman degenerate, usually has sob story, that make excuse for his action. Kind of like in Rick and Morty, original creator mocked the idea by giving Rick this cliche backstory, only to later in episode tell just how retarded it is. (but they did it later on anyways, when original creator been fired).

Did you notice, how EVERYONE in hazbin at first meeting presented as very vile creatures, but then they never act upon their apparent degenerate tendencies? For once, I expected Vox and Val go turbo sex on Alister's bussy, because both of them been presented as irredeemable rapists and degenerates. But nope, they only make a jab at the idea and that is all. ~~But Im happy that they don't, tho.~~

This Jew admits it
Jews called the extermination to silence the Christians speaking out
Empowering each other
You did it to keep us down

Well, we are not gonna be kept down anymore
Consider this a declaration of holy war
I've woken up the people to the lies you Hebrews tell
When we pay you a visit, we won’t be bringing baskets
We'll be bringing decimation that'll put you in caskets
I’ll show you what it means to be the motherfuckin' king of Israel

'Cause I'm the furor, I'm immense (Praise Vox)
I am the avatar of your consequence (Praise Vox)
I'm your omega, I'm the flood (Praise Vox)
I am the nightmare you made when you spilled our blood (Praise Vox)

So cower and hide, find a rope you can swing from
Go say your goodbyes, to your lives, to your kingdom

>>151274879
Rumors say he’s Korean.

>>151274670
Allastor’s radio staff

>valentino from fucking florida
GTA VI cameo confirmed?

When will they release the Epstein to discredit Vox?

>>151274396
Mad af lmao.

>>151273544
My political ideology has to be completely deep fried, because even knowing objectively that Vox is a liar and a manipulator and doesn't mean a word of it, I'm still rooting for him hard during these sequences.
>WELL I GOT NO CHAINS ON ME!
Fucking tell em, fuck them all up. Today we rise, all that shit. A las barricadas.

The finale is gonna be rushed af there is no way they can wrap this all up in only 2 more episodes. Would it kill amazon to at least have 10 episodes per season? I thought this show makes alot of money?

>>151274937
He's kinda the underdog. It's hard not to root for him.

>>151274396
But doesn't Charlie said that she is Bi, so as they say a fake gay? You can still goon at her and Vag.

>>151274943
>Would it kill amazon to at least have 10 episodes per season? I thought this show makes alot of money?
It does but bezos is a cheap faggot. Prease understandu he needs another yacht with all the money made from angel dust onaholes

>>151274953
>fake gay
My mom thought i was a sicko because i said i was bi as a teen so much so i had to fake being only into girls again to get her to stop making fun of me. Also alot of other people especially asexuals give me shit for being bisexual too. If anything being bi is more stigmatized then being gay

>>151274928
Yes. And the thing is that I like Vox and Val because they actually feel like very well realized characters that aren’t derailing the story at all. Nearly everything they do actually relates to redemption and being the obstacles of it.

While Charlie promotes redemption and isn’t actually interested in it for herself besides for bragging rights and stopping exterminations. Making Vaggie also uninterested in her own redemption, but also very detached from the sinners is awful as well. That in the old Angel Dust x Vaggie plotline, this wouldn’t be an issue at all.

soooo, he's gonna be vindicated? or did they try to play him as wise for no reason

>>151274928
Lmfao vox would be a fellow american psycho fan

>>151274255
Charlie is basically Gohan when you think about it, she kind of just exists to screw up, be stupid, and throw temper tantrums until it's narratively appropriate for her to do a transformation and lunge at someone after doing literally everything in her power to avoid that.

>>151274973
zestial is the only non retarded overlord in the entire show

>>151274973
He’s the guy that will see Carmilla get herself in a bad situation and let her die since he knows she’s a massive problem. And then he takes her daughters under his care.

>>151274949
He's not, though. I mean in the framing of "sinners vs hell's royalty" and/or "sinners vs heaven" he maybe sorta is, which is why the framing works, but he's one of hell's most powerful and influential overlords. He runs a massive media conglomerate that controls everything. When he gets pissed off enough at Alastor to flip his shit in Stayed Gone, Pentagram City loses all of its fucking power, that's how deeply connected that little voltage boy is to every corner of hell.

Vox is not an underdog. But he sells "class struggle" so well. I know people have argued that he was a televangelist and that's what was meant by "cult", but I'm really hoping the direction they choose to go is more Branch Davidian. Something that validates and legitimizes his hatred of the power structure, even if he turns around and plays it for his own gains in hell. Because it fits him way too comfortably, and it would suck if it really was all just an act.

>>151274992
>vox is responsible for waco
Lmfao

Can you honestly blame Camilla for turning on the hotel and going with Vox instead with how retarded Charlie has been?

Will he ever be focused on?

>>151274954
You retard, Bezos isn't the CEO anymore.

>>151274999
That would actually be a cool twist, wouldn't it? I mean timeframe wise it wouldn't exactly line up, but him being a David Koresh expy would totally work with his characterization. Fun little "trenches flashbacks" to him boarded up in a compound with 500 federal agents firing rifles at him, and he's developed a semi-valid persecution complex at the idea of his own sociopolitical power being declared illegitimate and inherently violent by any larger power structure like the government or an established church.

>>151274992
Vox is a big fish in a small pond just like Alastor. He's the "underdog" because his plans are doomed from the beginning.

>>151274972
While I think you are retarded shit-for-brains, I do agree that and Vox x Val is great, and personally I think that Vox x Val is the best homo relationships/partnership in the entirety of Vivziepop's cartoon universe, and I would toss gay Angel Dust, Huskerdust and Chaggie away just to make it canon canon and the main fag couple of the show (though I would need Valentino to be an actual fag and not a bisexual abomination).

But crying over spilled milk is futile.

>>151274992
The only problem I have with him being the off the grid commune kind of cult leader is that his modus operandi seems to hinge on doing his best to monopolize the distribution of all modern services and commodities throughout Hell. While I guess it could be the result of radically rethinking his life post mortum, it seems more like someone who always had their fingers on the pulse of the hottest trends.

>>151275016
I didnt know that, my mistake
>>151275028
I really wanna see more of voxs backstory too but i dunno when or if we ever will

I love rhe racist TV head man

>>151275054
Same.

>>151273489 (OP)
I’ve watched Season 1 and most of Vox’s scenes in the new Season, and I don’t know if I’m just not “with it”, but he just seems like a Dollar Tree version of the Penguin from Gotham to me, additionally with no proper build-up because the show has to go at breakneck pace to fit everything Viv Beltpop wants in.

Lucifer confirmed to still be the strongest being in hell

>>151275042
Yeah, that’s true. I mean you could make the cult itself more of a Scientology type thing, or Moonies, rather than a boarded-up-commune type thing. I still think having him be gunned down by federal agents would be a good backstory. Something where’s he’s intimately familiar with this duality of being a demigod to his own mindfucked community but also treated like a terrorist by The Establishment. Because he’s way too good at the anti-establishment vibe for it to taste good as a mere corporate “how do you do, fellow rebels” type marketing stunt.

>>151274673
Yeah but they're not attracted to women. And Angel makes women pay more.

>>151275040
What annoys me to death with Hazbin Hotel is that Adam and Lute are great, the Vees are great, Alastor is great, and side characters of Cherri and Pentious are great.

BUT, the main content is about Charlie and Vaggie being the most extreme and detached lesbians ever that honestly have the most “Eh Redemption” thing ever. That sometimes I forget that Angel is supposed to be relevant until they lift up that whore there-and-then. They are brutally murdered by awful shipping. Meaning the majority of the show is about this bad self-insert fanfic crap in which the creator literally fucks herself,

>>151273686
Only if he's "redeemed" as a sense of ironic punishment
Other than that, killed or imprisoned

>>151274992
>>151275037
Focusing solely on Vox’s abilities he was dealt an insane card spawning into Hell as an electricity demon.

>teleportation as electricity across short areas
>can teleport into entirely different places through any socket or power line
>hypnotism with his sight
>wires to attack and propel himself
>can make multiple versions of himself and exist inside any screen or tv show
>can posses not only tvs but any electronic object including his giant mecha shark
>can create holograms at any moment
>can electrocute others
>can cause a power outage throughout an entire ring of Hell.

I’m surprised I haven’t see a single comment on how completely stacked he is when it comes to abilities rivaling almost every other character in the show. They keep trying to push the he needs the other two Vees angle but on his own he’s already insanely OP.

>>151275091
Vox likely needs other people because he doesn’t want to be alone, ever.

>>151275091
Imagine how much it would suck to spawn into Hell as the slug guy.

>>151275087
I think he actually might be redeemed but not right now. Him asking Charlie if she thinks even he can be redeemed feels like foreshadowing.

>>151275097
>Vox likely needs other people because he doesn’t want to be alone, ever.
Vox is literally me then, holy shit. i hate being alone all the damn time

>>151275091
People always seem to forget this, but you can't kill sinners. Physical power doesn't matter jack shit in hell. The ability to destroy or even to create doesn't matter jack shit in hell. Power comes from deals; power comes from the souls at your command. This is a huge plot point from the first fucking episode, really even from the pilot, but people still DBZwank over sinners' fucking ki levels.

Alastor's criticism of Vox as weak/reliant on others (apart from being designed to tilt him) is to suggest that he lacks skill in acquiring souls of his own. He needs partnerships, which is basically hat-in-hand-begging for souls to help you, because you lack the ability to gain metaphysical control over them. The grand irony of Season 2 is that Vox being able to manipulate others to his side without having a soul contract over them is the only reason he's able to amass the power he does, nobody would have even been close to having soul contracts over all of hell to the extent required to raise his Resistance. But in the end that power is still fragile, in a way that a binding magic leash simply isn't.

>>151275097
Maybe his power literally grows with the number of followers he has.

so, what are the leaks exactly?

>>151275116
>Physical power doesn't mean shit
Being killed still causes pain and fear

>>151274943
They are also paying for Helluva Boss and gave them four seasons. The animation team just can't do more.
Compare the fluidity of the animation and the amount of character designs and other cool things that they do with something like Invincible. They said that the final shot from VOX DEI took them like a month to do.

>>151275116
Anon half of those powers don’t even have to do with killing people it’s about manipulation. He was literally spawned in to control the media

>>151275016
Bezos doesn't handle the nitty-gritty, but he wasn't doing a lot of that even when he was CEO obviously. Him changing title was just him taking a further step back but he's not separated from C-suite decisions unlike other board members and in other companies, (you can customise the structure of your company, positions, and responsibilities). Which is to say that if Bezos wanted ten or more episodes of Hazbin fucking Hotel he could get ten or more episodes of Hazbin fucking Hotel even now, and he certainly still profits or loses from them either way without holding the title of CEO.

>>151275105
Hearing about the exterminations, rushing over to get your existence ended, and they're over by the time you get there.

>>151274827
A lot of extremists have a point.
But the problem is in the very name, silly. Plus, Vox is only doing this for himself in the end.

>>151275085
This show has a bloated cast, seemingly constantly shifting worldbuilding, an amateur writer/showrunner at the helm and only 8 episodes in a season. There's only so much you can hope for with that mess of a cocktail, and honestly sometimes you just don't know what parts of your show truly work until all of it is out there and people and consumed and evaluated it.

>>151275116
>power comes from making deals
>literally has hypno eyes to force people to make deals

>>151275125
IDK anon, I guess to an extent, but when you're ageless and deathless, after a while being stabbed in the stomach and bleeding out is probably going to be something more like stubbing your toe. Observe Val's fight with Niffty, she's constantly impaling him with her knife, and he's mostly just frustrated about it. He's obviously someone who's been through a few ass-beatings in his time, after a while you learn to come back from it.

It's like fighting in the real world, most people most of the time are highly averse to getting punched in the stomach, but once you've gone a few rounds and you've attuned yourself to the kind of punishment your body can handle, you process that pain differently. Sure, you still don't WANT to be punched in the stomach, but you don't reflexively recoil from it like you would from the threat of more grievous injury. A sinner absolutely loaded with dangerous ability like Vox is at worst walking into a room like a professional MMA fighter, not like an angel of death.

>>151275144
It doesn't seem like it's that universally effective. It straight up doesn't work on Valentino at all, for instance. I know it's easy to just brush it off as Viv not thinking through the implications, but I imagine you can't create a soul contract with someone under hypnosis. I don't know what the rules are that govern deals, clearly duress is a permissible state to bind yourself to a contract, but maybe you still have to be conscious of it? Maybe if the person on the other end of the contract doesn't truly AGREE to the contract, it won't bind.

okay but why does vox get the hypno shit power? like said above if power is from soul deals and he can just force them (on the average sinner) isn't that the strongest ability in all of hell

>brutally raped in season 1
>mind raped in season 2
how would they torture him next

>>151275169
>>151275164
Even if he can't make deals with the hypno power it still seems pretty insane that he could just hypnonigger any weak retards

>>151275175
Angel dust got sissy hypno'd lmfao

>>151275175
>The writers poorly disguised fetish

>>151275175
Make his dead dad show up

>>151275091
You have to level up in Hell
When Vox spawned in he was level 1, unlike Alastor who was loaded up with rare candy from Rosie

>>151275176
Only temporarily. The implications with Angel are that he's had to do it over and over and over again, and that his ability to do that is largely tied to the fact that Val has an ACTUAL soul contract with Angel and can compel him to be in a room with Vox and not leave while Vox spits on his mind-dick and shoves it in. I imagine if you wanted to try to run a company with hypnosis you'd never eat or sleep, you'd be in a perpetual state of hypnotizing every single employee, round-robin, and you'd never get it to anywhere near the size VoxTek actually is. Especially if strong-minded or confident people are immune to it and it's only a specific kind of mental weakness that makes you susceptible.

>>151273720
Imagine if Lucifer's deal is not that he can't hurt a sinner is just that he shouldn't, if Viv wants to kill the guy make him lose control against Vox and get divine punishment by death after it

You gen-Zombies and gen-alphas are the weirdest generation I've ever seen.

>>151275183
>You have to level up in Hell When Vox spawned in he was level 1, unlike Alastor who was loaded up with rare candy from Rosie

Do you have any source for this or is it just your headcanon?

>>151275175
Have Val get redeemed before him

>>151275183
Better spawn with a fuckload of abilities rather than as a slug

>>151274071
Imagine how mad Viv would be if someone edited this whole song with Alastor and it got insanely amounts of praise

>>151273686
I want him to be Azula'd. I want him to have a real shot at redemption and make a tragic refusal of it, and for the moral lesson to be "even if everyone CAN be redeemed, some people aren't worth the effort it would take". I want Vox to metaphorically slap Charlie's hand away and go down with the ship because fuck you.

>>151275175
Put him in a loving relationship and then rape his partner.

Alastor and Vox are both bottoms. That's why they didn't work out.

>>151275207
I'm pretty sure they're leaving that for Alastor

>>151275198
Not him but its pretty established that power is directly connected to the number of souls you control. Vox probably spawned in hell with just the basic electricity powers, and slowly started unlocking abilities as he gained more souls

>>151275214
I was actually wondering who was the bottom or the top in vsl and voxs relationship

>>151275164
Val is blind because he's a moth, or partially blind
Vox can't smell and therefore can't huff in Val's horny smoke

>>151273544
Need this as an OP edit with
"Cuz I'm the Faggot!"

>>151275201
Implying he ever did anything bad

>>151273660
It'd be hilarious if somehow, someway, Vox's whole view gets 180'd after losing it all, and is moments away from redemption as a payoff to the earlier foreshadowing as Charlie holds his hand only for Al to stab him in the back once his deal is broken, and once fully freed from both deals turns on everyone.

>>151275198
Vivzie straight up said this on the Hunicast
Yes this is old but this is something that wouldn't make sense to change
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09-ribPwlAQ&t=3387s

>>151275235
Unfortunately there is no way he is dying since Borle has already recorded his S3 and S4 lines and Viv said he wouldn’t kill him. Your best bet is him getting trapped inside some like anon already said.

>>151275198
it's sort of implied by how everyone doesn't seem to understand how Alastor was so powerful from Day 1 of his afterlife

>>151275249
>Trapped in a box
He will be redeemed a winner in heaven

What are the chances that after Vox's plan fails, the Vees end up taking residence at the hotel? That'd be fun.

>>151275257
I need Vox to find out the selfmade man he's admired for 70 years was on easy mode the entire time.

>>151275249
>they already recorded two upcoming seasons in advance
Holy shit

I love BBC!

I think when we get Lute’s full backstory, we would be freaked about by what exorcists even are.

>>151275257
Him having gained his power by making a deal was a bad move for the writers I think. It's kind of a double whammy because Alastor at first is a supremely confident Overlord. Then you find out he himself has a master he answers to, which is fine. But then you ALSO find out that Alastor got most of his power by the very deal that bound him to his master and all of a sudden it's not a case that his master was particularly impressive to bind a demon like Alastor, it's that Alastor was completely unremarkable all along and was granted his power by a benefactor which ends up making him a bitch

>>151275281
Writers are definitely overconfident rushing the most important part of the show

>>151275274
Al did all his homework in advance when being alive, while Vox wasted his life on being an cult leader/attention-whore. So, differences in their power levels is a clear a case of a skill issue an part of Vox.

>>151275300
What do they care, Amazon already paid them

>>151274896
>Vox becomes the voice that talks back to Alastor like in the pilot
Would be kino

>>151275218
That would also work. I just think they've been pretty on-the-nose with Vox's whole "what's the point of redemption if it means you have to change everything about yourself?" angle. Obviously Alastor would feel the same way, of course.

I understand the decision to paint Lucifer as humbled and deeply affected by his punishment, it works for the show. But someone needs to take the "better to reign in hell than serve in heaven" angle, they need to explore that. And the thing is, with Alastor's sin being homicidal mania, that just isn't as relatable for the average person. Someone like Vox or Val, who's evil really stems from more legible vices like horniness, greed, desire for respect/authority, etc., makes that message work a lot better.
>If I can't fuck I don't want to be a part of your redemption
Like every time this has come up it's been played for laughs, oh ha ha Sir Pentious can't make steampunk death rays, oh ha ha Angel has to dress modestly and stop smoking crack, but nobody has really made a pointed stance that getting in to Heaven would actually not be worth what it would cost you, and I really hope the person they choose to make that point is not the guy who's guilty pleasure is systematically torturing and murdering strangers and hanging their jaws on the wall.

It really should've been
>The more evil in you did in life = the strongest you are in hell
>More sin = more of a pain in the ass for Lucifer to watch
>Way harder to redeem and less deserving

>>151275303
Vox is Alastor's equal while being completely unbound and free while Alastor made a deal for his power and answers to Rosie. Vox is clearly superior in all the ways that matter.

>>151275318
Have they done anything to contradict this? So far our most powerful demons are mass murderers and our one redeemed soul was guilty of not tattling on Jack the Ripper.

>>151275303
And yet, Alastor is under someone else's foot.

Where was Rosie during Vox’s whole “get the overlords to my side” song and dance
She’s repeatedly referred to as one of the strongest and not even a throwaway line of her refusing because she’s “friends” with Al

>>151275346
She’s a white woman.

>>151275294
THANK YOU this is what I've been saying
Vox would lose all respect for him so I hope he finds out
Also Alastor killing people and then saying "I don't want to be a tortured soul in hell"
Bitch could dish it out but not take it even in an environment where he can't actually die

>>151275346
Actually a good point. I was going to say that Rosie pledging her cannibal army to the Hotel would have made her side clear, but Vox still went for Carmine.

>>151275346
They're still figuring out where Rosie fits in since her being Al's master was a last minute retcon. It doesn't make any sense at all why an Overlord who rules Cannibal Town can randomly grant some dude the power to be the most powerful sinner but that's what we're going with so it needs to be swept under the rug for now

>>151275366
The cannibals would be done if it means they can eat more angles seeing as Charlie doesn't wanna them anymore

>>151275314
NTA
>I understand the decision to paint Lucifer as humbled and deeply affected by his punishment, it works for the show. But someone needs to take the "better to reign in hell than serve in heaven" angle, they need to explore that.
Well, it still could be Lucifer; maybe he does something during the siege of Heaven to stop it, is considered redeemed, offered a chance at returning to Heaven, but just rejects it out of pride and because redemption for him doesn't transform into Charlie getting to come along. But they didn't quite ham up him missing Heaven enough fort his.
>>151275377
>It doesn't make any sense at all why an Overlord who rules Cannibal Town can randomly grant some dude the power to be the most powerful sinner
>Gee, why is this Overlord somehow capable of granting somebody power to be stronger than any Overlord
That's clearly an intentional discrepancy the point of which is to, probably, convey that Rosie isn't a sinner at all.

>>151275182
Didn't his clan show up in the comic?

>>151275207
>I want him to be Azula'd
You haven't read the comics, have you?

>>151275377
She’s lilith.

>>151275409
>offered a chance at returning to Heaven, but just rejects it out of pride and because redemption for him doesn't transform into Charlie getting to come along
That's still not the same thing. I mean that would also be fine, I would like that as a story beat, but it doesn't really address the issue of "what if you don't want to give up your sin?" If Lucifer was granted a shot at heaven but he had to renounce giving mankind free will, and he said "no, fuck that, no matter what the outcome, freedom was still the right choice", THEN maybe it works. And you could still potentially do that, but only if he spends some screen time reconnecting with Lilith, because evidently this was a really big deal for her, and him getting that reminder of why freedom is worth the cost might make that a more pointed refusal.

Then again Charlie seems to believe that redemption was something Lilith would have been proud of. So I'm still not really clear on where Lilith's actual opinions land.

>>151275322
>in all the ways that matter
What matters in this setting is the end result, not how you get there, it's not a talent show. And, as we're about to see at the end of the season, Vox has on himself pretty much the same chains Alastor has, just less obvious. Vox will lose the battle because he'll lose support, like Alastor lost because he broke his staff

>>151275322
>Vox is Alastor's equal
But he is clearly is not. Al stood his ground solo against all three V, that attacked him at once, while severely under-powered and crippled. Not to mention that Al, started this fight specifically to trick Vox into making the deal. As much as I like the trio, the show clearly makes the V's looks like nobody compare to Al. Im pretty sure that show setting up Vox, Velvet, and Valentino as "tragic" villians, for Al and other true overlords to fuck them over later on.

>>151275435
No and if the comics redeem Azula or make some big tragic backstory out of how her refusal of redemption wasn't really a choice she made but was forced on her, I don't want to read them. What made Azula work was the fact that she chose to go down swinging, even when she was given opportunities to stop, because that's who she was. And that the heroes had to contend with the fact that not everyone will take the side of righteousness and truth, because to some people those things simply aren't important.

>>151273489 (OP)
Haven't seen the Bazhin threads kick off like this in a while. It's great.

>>151275003
Absolutely, yeah. The correct decision was to fuck off like Zestial.

>>151275303
If he was a televangelist as speculated, then there's a good chance he really did think he was going to Heaven.

>>151275116
>The ability to destroy or even to create doesn't matter jack shit in hell
Um
Someone should tell Satan...

>>151275164
Not everyone in Hell can have the Floridan buff against mind control (because they're already insane)

>>151275091
Honestly it'd be kind of fun if it turns out that Alastor set out to give him a complex because he foresaw Vox getting stronger with him without being tied by a deal like and Rose's and wanted to nix that.

Though that would have cancelled the deal so probably not.

>>151275446
I think it could work even if he outright DOES NOT reconnect with Lilith, actually; his core issues and flaws are an absurd overattachment to her, the initial pride/foolishness/whatever else that led to his fall in the first place, and a general distaste for sinners as they're basically a walking negative consequence of his decision, which has him actively ignore them since he can't even anyhow wrangle them and their worst impulses.
So, accordingly, some sort of character arc for him could constitute:
>changing his mind on Sinners, deciding to regardless try to wrangle them even if he can't use overwhelming firepower to make them do as they must, but, instead, lean on Charlie's designs to make them better people, since a sinner who goes to the hotel but just doesn't go far enough to be redeemed still is a better person
>going from hating his kingdom and being an absent king basically replaced by Satan, to even if with great effort and rustiness trying to rule
>attempting to find something good in that freedom of choice can lead to the worst outcomes, because so long as the freedom is maintained, people in those outcomes still can choose to be better
>and, finally, not obsessing over Lilith
It'd ideally be a seasons-long arc, obviously, but it could start with him rejecting a chance to return to Heaven. His sin was figuring he knew better, Charlie's hotel working (which will be conveniently proved right to everybody when the Hell invasion goes to Heaven) would in a way work to prove him right about freedom being, ultimately, for the best.
Lilith is a big question, though, he's obsessed with her. Maybe something like, Lute frees him from the Vox-cannon/helps him blow it up, explains that Lilith's abandoned her family and has been up in Heaven all this time, ignoring the state of her kingdom all this time, all in a bid to make even the obviously more reasonable alternative to a Vox-headed Pride ring hate Heaven and guarantee further hostilities.

>>151275522
>Someone should tell Satan
Satan's been larping as big dick on campus for years, he's nothing but a Goetic apparatchik with a very large chair and even he knows it.

>>151275540
That's a fine arc for Lucifer, anon, no notes. But it still isn't addressing the issue of "redemption isn't necessarily worth changing yourself to achieve it" which should really be a central argument in the show and is mostly being sidestepped for now.

>first redemption of the show was unsatisfying
>Pentious friends knowing redemption is possible was unsatisfying no one freaks out they just go "I guess he did it"
At this point Lucifer going back to his "work", Adam returning, Lilith returning all will be unsatisfying....

Did the sauce for the "Vox gives up his invasion of heaven for Velvette and Valentino" runour ever turn up? So far it looks like it just got mixed in with the actual leaks.