Hygiene/skincare General #18
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Post your routine, holy grails and strategies to shave balls. Share experience about skincare products and your skin issues

Some of the links might be outdated, post questions if you have any

FAQ:
Basic routine, skincare guide, and products tips: http://pastebin.com/5QEQgMUp
How to pop pimples, remove blackheads and whiteheads: http://pastebin.com/MufDiSfy
Why you shouldn't use ordinary soap on your face: http://pastebin.com/Ujf2x9M6
How to improve your skin tone through diet: http://pastebin.com/epLqSbEQ
Studies on how diary and sugars create acne: http://pastebin.com/0H5gag01
Dark circles around the eyes: http://pastebin.com/t796eKvr
Soap, pH, irritants and synthetic detergents: http://pastebin.com/51yse1NE
Post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation (PIH): http://pastebin.com/GXYPdwMf

Wiki:
Skin care basics: http://tuxbell.com/index.php?title=Grooming#Skin-care_Basics
Acne treatment: http://tuxbell.com/index.php?title=Grooming#Acne_Treatment

Skinacea Links:
Retinoids:
http://www.skinacea.com/retinoids/retinoids.html
Sunscreen:
http://www.skinacea.com/sunscreen/sunscreen.html
Ridding dark eye circles:
http://www.skinacea.com/how-to/get-rid-of-dark-circles.html

should i put sunscreen after the moisturizer or before?

Current routine is
>Cerave Hydrating Wash morning
>Missha Essence Sun Milk Ex
shower in the PM
>Cerave Hydrating Wash
>Cerave PM moisturizing lotion
>Cerave retinol 3 times a week, before moisturizer
>Cerave exfoliant... whenever I remember to
This is all for face. Any suggestions on what to change if anything? I'm pretty happy with the results so far, but I'm willing to experiment.

>>18451792
Sunscreen should always go last. Both products will have a harder time doing their job if applied in reverse.

>>18451792
You shouldn't wear sunscreen because it causes skin cancer.

How did he do it and how do I do it too?

>>18452073
botox
>>18452074
that's not surprising since skincare is mostly a feminine thing
still who cares, good skin is good skin

>>18451791 (OP)
does it make a big difference to change your pillowcase frequently? how often?

>>18452100
Every day lazybones, it takes 20 seconds

>>18452101
how many pillowcases do you have?

>>18451791 (OP)
This is gonna sound a lil crazy but Ive noticed when I have blood on my face like under a bandaid my skin looks much better under it?
Is bathing in blood legit?

>>18452104
Many

Finally got around to getting a tretinoin prescription instead of Differin, acne is pretty much under control, just need to get rid of the PIH (and start using sunscreen). How many months do you think it will take?

am
>la roche-posay hydrating cleanser
>azelaic acid (every three days, just started)
>la roche-posay double repair moisturizer
>boj sunscreen
pm
>la roche-posay hydrating cleanser
>tret 0.025 cream (every other day)
>la roche-posay double repair moisturizer
r8 out of 8 m8s. also give recs for hydrating serums/toner/essence or whatever plz. i think I'll be needing one

>>18452277
anyone?

>>18452008
fuck off

>>18452100
>>18452104
get 7 handkerchiefs and use them over your pillowcase
changing those every night is hassle free

>>18452701
also, this is my routine for now
face wash in the morning
shower
vitamin c serum
spf15 moisturizer (i work from home, rarely go out)
-
face wash in the evening
shower
tretinoin before bed
i also want to start hydroquinone for dark spots on my body (not face)

what're some good shaving creams? just noticed mine has Blue 1 in it dafuq

>>18452701

Ok niggers how do I use this to pull out blackheads

>>18453647
Dont use this you fucking monkey. They dont work and fuck your skin.

didn’t do my routine last night or this morning its fucking OVERRRR

>>18453647
You use salicylic acid for that.

>>18451791 (OP)
if i don't go out, will a simple moisturizer work? i think i have one from nivea, it doesn't offer any spf protection

got eu spf cream filters that doesn't stain white clothes? I put SPF on my neck and hands which causes stains on white clothes. Avobenzone seeps up the iron from the water and creates difficult to remove stains. Even tried soaking in oxalic acid.

>>18451791 (OP)
Found that a local drug store has elf moisturizer (non-hemp) and decided to buy it today, I hope it exceeds my expectations since I ran out of cerave pm/am. Anyone have any experience with it? Also with amount should I use? I usually do pea sea when it comes to previous moisturizer is that okay?

>>18452073
Step 1. be rich
step 2. doctor with license for cosmetic procedure

>>18453647
You throw into the trash and visit a professional.

>>18453757
Every now then I lose focus of time and forget to brush my teeth and skincare. I always remember to do it in the morning, so it is not that bad.

Having trouble identifying my skin type. When I wash my face, it feels tight and I get flaky, so I was thinking I had dry skin. But when I apply moisturizer (I have tried very little and a good amount), after about 30 minutes, my face gets very oily as if I am sweating out all product I applied.
I have tried 2 different creams (Cerave Moisturising Lotion and Kiehl's Ultra Facial Cream) and it's the same for both.

What can I do about this?

>>18453757
my retinol ran out and my adapalene is supposed to be delivered in 3 days or so kek, i have no night routine right now

>>18452073
looks fucking ghoulish

I've been using The Ordinary retinol since last August. I started on 0.2%, then moved to 0.5% and I have been on 1% for just over a month and now the skin on my face feels tight. Is this good or bad?

Skincare newfag here.

Is this a good sunscreen? It's the only one with Tinosorb I could find here that doesn't cost too much.
I assume the whole "kids version" for sunscreens is just marketing bullshit, but asking just in case it is weaker than the regular version or has stronger smell or lacks something important.

Also, is there anything in particular I should consider when choosing sunscreens for face vs body?

umm, do i apply tretinoin on my butt that has ingrown hair and post inflammation spots? should i go for spot treatment or all over the ass?

>>18451791 (OP)
bump

What's the safest method to remove pubic hair by the roots? I'm really, really scared of accidentally injuring myself.

>>18455997
probably multiple laser sessions? ingrown hairs are a pain in the ass though

been using the weakest retinol formula from theordinary and experienced purging months ago (but haven't since then)
now I've switched to adapalene and I was expecting purging again since this was a few steps up from retinol
but I've experienced no purging at all

>>18451791 (OP)
i don't go outside unless absolutely necessary, but someone suggested i add spf 15 at least to my routine
it says it's a mix of moisturizer and sunscreen
can i use this instead of separate moisturizer and sunscreen?

as someone who thrashes around a lot during sleeping, should i be worried about applying tretinoin overnight and completely wasting it by smearing it all over my pillows and blankets instead of letting it do its work?
should i keep it on longer before getting into the sheets?

>>18457032
I mean give it 10 minutes I guess

>>18457188
hmm, i expected it to have a longer application time
i guess i am not wasting it then
i usually wait around two hours before sleeping

>>18451791 (OP)
Aftershower lotion. Should I be using it, what should I be using, where should I be using?

do foam cleansers contain soap? isn't it just foamed soap?

so you avoid the sun like the plague, do you avoid opening your windows as well?

>>18457455
If you want to avoid sun exposure, it's best to keep the curtains closed. Ideally, you should also wear sunscreen every day, even when you'll be indoors all day.

>>18451791 (OP)
my face looks oily/glossy when i apply vitamin c, moisturizer and sunscreen
i don't know what to do

>>18458196
skip the moisturizer, get a facial sunscreen that also moisturizes

What can I do for my facial loose/flabby skin. I'm not overweight nor did I suddenly lose a ton of weight. I've always been like that. I was talking about this yesterday with someone and that person grabbed on my cheeks and was surprised at how "elastic" it was.

Is there anything you can do about it that's not a surgery. If the only way is surgery, what is it called?

>>18458261
>I've always been like that
are you sure? or has it always been like that because you were out of shape?
maybe you just need to burn more fat and become lean

I started using The Ordinary retinol back in august and I started with 0.2%, then moved to 0.5% and now I am on 1%. Now I got a retinol burn on my neck and the skin near my eyes is flaking. Why is this? Nothing happened before starting 1% but I did not see any improvement in my skin either. I am 27.

i accidentally got tretinoin on my butt while i was applying it on my face (felt a slight itch there, hand went there by habit to scratch it) and now some of the skin there is reddish and kinda hurts
will it go back to normal? or will it always have a different pinkish tone now compared to the rest of my skin?
someone please answer this, it's worrying me

>>18458271
Nah I've always been lean. I'm currently 182cm for 75kg. Which is normal and I never been overweight or even chubby. I always had fat cheeks though

Someone told me to replace retinol and other serums for tretinoin. Been on it for two months now or more and can barely see results. I have two questions about this.
- Is tretinoin the kind of products that takes a long time to produce results?
- You think I can get retinol and vitamin C back into my routine while also using tretinoin? I have big pores I want to treat.

>>18458261
do you have hypermobile joints?

I get told I have puffy eyes how do I remedy this?

Anyone have success self-treating folliculitis on back and shoulders? I've had it for years and I only recently figured out it wasn't regular acne. I've tried:
>benzoyl peroxide 10% for 2 months
>dial gold bar antibacterial soap x1/day for 2 months
>salicylic acid
>exfoliating scrub with all the above

I have some Hibiclens which I hear works good for bacterial folliculitis, but a wide application area might "require doctor supervision." I was also on ketoconazole for a few months for a different issue, and had no change for this one. Which tells me that it's probably not fungal in nature. Are oral/topical antibiotics the only way here?

>>18458261
take smaller bites. its likely you're overstuffing your face when you eat. if you take smaller bites, the muscles in your cheeks will eventually atrophy. i was in the same boat as you. you might also be holding water possibly due to a high sodium diet

>>18458403
Nope
>>18458902
It'll look like I'm avoiding any kind of responsibility in this but my eating habit is kind of clean. I don't eat that much, I do a lot of sports. But I don't really watch my sodium intake. But at the same time, I don't eat between meals.
> take smaller bites. its likely you're over-stuffing your face when you eat
Yeah I do this. I'll try to stop but again, it's not like I'm being extreme with it.

>>18458368
someone help me

>>18456315
I'd prefer something I can do at home.

>>18459727
ipl hair removal

>>18451791 (OP)
How do you guys include shaving facial hair in your routine?

>>18458368
>>18459186

>eyebrows at rest make me look like a serial killer on the verge of cracking
>eyebrows raised make me look kind, understanding, and confused, but has caused a deep forehead line for most of my life
should i keep them lowered or raised?

>>18451791 (OP)
Is apricot scrub a bad idea? I'm a guy with regular to slightly oily skin and I just remembered a time I used apricot scrub and how it felt nice on my face, but I was probably 12. Will it fuck up my face

does exfoliating bar soap actually work?

skin is a little flaky due to tretinoin and makes applying serum and spf a pain

>>18459893
i shave it after washing my face but before applying anything

>go from never washing my face apart from water passively hitting it while I take a shower to using a cleanser and moisturizer daily
>been doing that for a month and a half
>see literally no difference
Was my default no-treatment skin actually better than I thought or am I doing something wrong

>>18461035
the only 2 things that actually do make a difference are retinoids and sunscreens

>>18459893
I use cleanser in the shower, then shave after I get out. After shaving I use aftershave/alum block, rinse well, then moisturize. If i'm going to be spending time outside i do sunscreen about half an hour after moisturizing

>>18451792
after
>>18451825
good, remember to use sunscreen if you are going out
what type of exfoliant do you use? i think you should use it instead of retinol, not after
>>18452008
enjoy your cancer from sun instead then
>>18452073
are you sure this image is not reversed?
>>18452100
if you are acne prone, probably yes but you need to try it yourself to see if it makes any difference for you
>how often?
i put some old tshirt on my pillow, the next day i turn it on the other side

>>18452280
it comes down to your condition. you can try vitamin c serum in the morning or something like azelaic acid or something if you want to speed it up
>>18452565
extremely good routine
>>18452701
its derm time for you
>>18452705
>spf15 moisturizer (i work from home, rarely go out)
well when you go out you better apply spf50
>i also want to start hydroquinone for dark spots on my body (not face)
anything else you tried so far?
>>18453543
just make sure it does not have alcohol, it stays for 5 minutes on your skin or less so it does not really matter

>>18453647
you return it and start epiduo + double cleansing (possibly include salicylic acid wash)
>>18453757
even a full reset from time to time might yield positive results for some people
>>18453817
some people say yes, others say no. id say yes only if you dont get direct sunlight at home and/or work by the window
>>18453953
if you narrowed it down to avobenzone then look for eu stuff that does not contain it. just paste inci list of what you can find into chatgpt and ask to describe filters
>>18454601
apply less

>>18454718
most probably something else caused it
>>18454844
>Is this a good sunscreen?
i think there is at least one filter that can cause eye irritation but not everyone experiences it
>kids version
i think these usually have physical filters too
>anything in particular I should consider when choosing sunscreens for face vs body?
yes, make sure it is bigger bottle since you need more for your body and make it spf50
>>18454936
use salicylic acid wash or lotion, azelaic acid or urea cream (30% minimum will yield best results i think) instead
>>18456612
well sometimes you do, sometimes you dont
there is no universal recipe for any of this, everyones skin and conditions are different

>>18456785
yes, most sunscreens are moisturizing these days, but some are drying and/or need moisturizer underneath. i need moisturizer under boj rice probiotics spf50 sunscreen or isntree hyaluronic acid watery sun gel (this one is seriously drying me)
>>18457032
>>18457247
it does not soak in after 15 minutes? im dry like 30 seconds after applying my tazarotene cream or epiduo
>>18457288
is your skin dry? then yes. or use body wash with milder surfactants (no sls/sles)
>>18457359
it comes down to presence of SLS/SLES in the products i guess

>>18458196
if moisturizer is not oil free, use it in PM instead. but it can also be your sunscreen. check youtube sunscreen reviews how shiny/oily they are if you think you need a new one
>>18458261
make sure it is not high cortisol level + go to derm
>>18458317
this is expected at 1% retinol. at this point you can either go stronger retinoid like retinal (for anti aging not acne), adapalene or tret/taz which has less adverse effects while it is more efficient. this is because your skin has to do less work to turn it into retinoic acid
also avoid eye area
>>18458368
it should go back but may take some time. you can moisturize the area in the meanwhile
>>18458398
>Is tretinoin the kind of products that takes a long time to produce results?
what kind of goals are you expecting? you wont get 10 years younger in 2 months if thats what you are after. retinoids are a long term thing the same way sunscreen is
>You think I can get retinol and vitamin C back into my routine while also using tretinoin? I have big pores I want to treat.
use vitamin c in am routine (cant combine it in the same routine with retinoids). you can use tret one day and retinol the other if you really want. for handling pores check out pore care from tina tanaka on youtube, she has like 2 or 3 good vids

>>18458425
get better sleep, sleep on your back, use cold spoon in the morning (if cold spoon works you can consider caffeine serum but not sure it will help)
>>18458440
go to derm
>>18459893
right after cleansing
>>18460001
recently i learned that there is so much stuff to shape your eyebrows its crazy
>>18460164
in most cases physical scrub/exfoliation is inferior to chemical exfoliation (like salicylic acid). i used a scrub once and it burned me instantly but thats because i use stronk retinoids

>>18460922
you will get better results using body wash with salicylic acid and leaving it on you for 2 minutes i think
>>18461024
>skin is a little flaky due to tretinoin
isnt flaky skin usually listed as a side effect? use less or every other day and/or use heavier moisturizer after tret in your routine
>>18461035
if you ever wondered why women's skin is so soft (especially when you compare hands) its due to years of moisturizing it multiple times a day and using sunscreen. if you dont need it or long term usage is an issue for you, stop skincare
>>18461189
for anti aging, yes. but for skin conditions there are many more ingredients that work wonders and are clinically proven
>>18451791 (OP)
thanks to op for keeping thread alive

>>18461476
you are the best person on this board ty

>>18461480
thanks
do i apply urea cream all over the butt?

>>18461537
yes but urea cream will only address ingrown hair. it is more commonly used for rough skin around feet, knees and elbows.
salicylic or azelaic acid will address both acne and ingrown hair

>>18461486
>>18458440
>go to derm
well there is also this if you want to take a look
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7605388/

>>18461546
which is better for dealing with pih spots and making the skin even?

>>18461546
>>18461618
also want to add that my folliculitis (ingrown hair) is mostly gone now thanks to about a month of washing with salicylic acid body wash
it's the pih spots and slightly darker skin i want to treat now

do I need sunscreen if I'm brown and/or don't go outside often

>>18461780
>do I need sunscreen if ... outside
Yes

>Start wearing good sunscreen on body
>Shower and scrub myself at night
>Still smell like sunscreen

What is an effective yet cheap way to remove sunscreen from my body?
I know that for the face you use a good cleanser + toner, but using facial products all over my body daily would be more costly that I would like. I've seen some people recommending castile soap, but I already use this one and it didn't do the trick.

think im sensitive to fatty alcohols after quiting cerave products im not getting pimples anymore

>>18454030
any serum recommendations that go with cerave cleansers and neutrogena sunscreen?
i believe the neutrogena spf 50 is also a moisturizer, so there's no need to get an extra layer, and i don't really like exfoliating, makes my skin very dry

>>18461897
really?
what is your skin type?
mine is combination, cheeks dry out very quickly
should i go with cerave cleanser for my skin type?

>>18462000
yeah the green one is fine for most people, i think i have combo skin as well

>>18462032
what do you use now? you said you stopped getting pimples after quitting cerave products

>>18462044
nothing its only been a week, ive not been using anything on my skin, trying to develop a new routine with diff ingredients

>>18461488
>for anti aging, yes. but for skin conditions there are many more ingredients that work wonders and are clinically proven
like what? retinoids don't just help with anti ageing shit like wrinkles, they help with acne and hyperpigmentation as well as enlarged pores
what more do you need? if you've got flaky/dry skin sure, a moisturizer might help but so would drinking more water

>>18461621
well in that case get on azelaic acid. there is also benzoyl peroxide which also works but it bleaches clothes so i would not recommend using it on body. perhaps panoxyl (BP body wash) would be a little easier to use
>>18461780
its about sun exposure, not necessarily being inside/outside. and you can be exposed to sun quite a lot even indoors
>>18461809
in my experience soap is not removing sunscreen very well and often adds additional layer of residue on top of it. but i think any shower gel that foams can do that easily
>>18461999
serums should be used to address specific skin issues. so if you have any, post them, if not, no need for serum
>>18462074
so you should only use retinoids and sunscreen for all skin issues? is it really too much that some people want to use more than one ingredient to address certain problems they have?

>>18462229
>serums should be used to address specific skin issues
i saw many people including vitamin c in their skincare routine in the other thread, so i thought it was something you have to use everyday with cleansers, moisturizers, sunscreens
i have some acne and pih, but it's very mild and i was told tretinoin takes care of that
so should i drop serums and just go with cleanser + moisturizer + sunscreen + tretinoin (in the night)?

>>18454030
How is this real wtf

>>18462483
what do you mean? the price?

how good is this cleanser?

and can i pair >>18462493 with neutrogena sunblock?

>>18462491
Yes for 1.7oz, it's crazy to me

I still get flaky dry skin on my cheeks/chin (looks yellow) from when I used minoxidil on my face 2 years ago. Is there a product that will fix it? Could it be skin barrier damage?

i've used feathers for the last 8 years, now they cause skin irritation from shaving against the grain too much

which blade do i move on to now? bic super platinums are sharp and do not cause irritation even against the grain, but at least 1 in a 5 pack is a bad razor blade

>>18462607
how often do you shave?

I've been applying 2% sa to my nose for 2 months to get rid of this blackhead but nothing happened. Should I try my luck with picrel instead?

>>18462715
it really is like that sometimes isn't it?
i hate when mine stay for months and i have no idea what to do despite getting recommendations on products from others

I've been using face moisturizer after showering and literally every bump on my face is gone. Are y'all actually using 5 plus products

>>18462715
cerave retinol did nothing at all for me think it was too weak

I have never washed my face, I just run water over it and what ever conditioner I have in

>>18451791 (OP)
Is there things I can add or should avoid in my diet for great skin. Notice I am getting a lot of blemishes on face and I am pretty sure its something diet related

>>18454030
this pic's so dumb. imagine recommending a sunscreen with no mention of what skin type it works on, what shades it works on and things like if its better in summer/winter.
blind leading the blind stuff. if you have skincare questions just ask reddit this place is retarded.

>>18463020
I'm going to be real with you, this place is far better than Reddit you don't have endless shilling from secret company agents advertising their shit

>>18453543
theres propellants in it too, and spray can shaving cream dries your skin and don't lubricate well. get a brush and the kind that comes in a squeeze tube, soap in a bowl or cream in a bowl. soap pucks last forever, creams moisturize more, and squeeze tubes lather up instantly. for brush you can either get a cheapo synthetic one and throw it away every few years when it smells, or get a silvertip badger hair brush and it will last forever without smelling.

>>18452105
there's research showing that young blood transfusions have anti aging properties and there's research showing that blood is indeed bioavilable through skin contact.

>>18463039
the anon posting asian girls has good advice.

Any one have any experience with Burt's Bees skin care products. I'm looking for something more natural.

>>18463020
honestly yeah, i agree
this recommendation is only from people who frequent the board, and this is mostly a dead board
obviously, it's biased on what worked for certain individuals and might not be the best options for everyone
it's even worse if you have combination skin and most products are for dry or oily skin, so you have to decide which one you should go for

>>18462483
i agree. i think they're overpriced.

>>18462493
>>18462494
it's solid. equivalent to cerave in quality. nothing fancy, but gets the job done without issue. choice of sunscreen isn't going to matter because the soap will be washed off.

>>18462585
seems odd. you should see a derm about it.

>>18462715
tretinoin if you can get a prescription, but adapalene gel 0.1% if you want OTC.

>>18462728
everyone's different anon, but most people aren't using 5 things.

>>18463017
drink 3-4L of water a day. avoid dairy and sugar. you may have an allergy, so be on the lookout for that.

>>18463039
depends on how you're looking at it imo

what do you use for lips? mine get chapped every other day
petroleum gel, aquaphor or lip balm? should i apply it overnight or throughout the day?

>>18463281
I use aquaphor morning and night

>>18463282
do you leave it on or wash it off after some time?

>>18463283
No I leave it on otherwise my lips get chapped

>>18463284
really? mine don't chap that quickly
should i use petroleum gel instead?
i assume the aquaphor must make it tedious to eat or drink

>>18463286
I can't tell it's on after 10 minutes

>>18463281
drinking lots of water and licking my lips throughout the day, unironically

>>18463288
i drink lots of water, but never lick my lips
licking just makes them drier

i prefer something i can apply overnight and wash off in the morning
i think i will look into night masks for lips
anything for the under eyes? i just noticed my under eyes are slightly dark
i get decent sleep, sometimes i wake up midnight

>>18462403
serums and toners are optional. the basics are usually a sunscreen, retinoids, moisturizer and cleanser as you listed
vitamin c serums add some additional protection against sun as they are great antioxidants, but mainly i think they are used for hyperpigmentation? some forms of vitamin c was also proven to be stimulating collagen production. personally i used 3 bottles last year and they might have evened out my skin a little, but that also could be due to retinoids. guess i will never know
>so should i drop serums and just go with cleanser + moisturizer + sunscreen + tretinoin (in the night)?
if you are just starting skincare then go with these for now. give it 2-3 months, reassess your needs and go from there
>>18462483
i think some anons shat on elta md in previous threads due to price/quality
>>18462493
i was recommended this once from derm for my itchy undereye skin and it was okay, quite delicate, almost like micellar water but more thick

>>18462494
sure
>>18462585
check with derm and use sunscreen on that area just in case
>>18462715
was prescribed epiduo which worked best for me, visible changes after 3 months, even better after 6-7
>>18463017
avoid eating processed food, stuff with added sugar and dairy as other anon said. i think you can look up anti inflammatory or Mediterranean diets for some examples what to eat.
and apparently almonds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhGsFVVmaQ
>>18463281
i just put moisturizer as part of my routines. if they are extra dehydrated i will use something heavier (emollient based moisturizer or petroleum jelly). salt rekts my lips

>>18463293
petroleum jelly prevents 99,9% trans epidermal water loss. there is nothing else like it
>anything for the under eyes? i just noticed my under eyes are slightly dark
they underlying root cause can be complicated. could be eye bags and its just light/shade that make it look darker, but also pigmentation or skin being thin to the point it unveils blood vessels and other stuff underneath so it appears dark. if you are unsure go to derm

I have weird discolourations on my belly cause of bad posture when I was a kid. How would you recommend getting rid of them? I was thinking lemon juice bleaching or maybe chemical peel with TCA
Picrel is not me, it's from reddit and people are just saying "you're perfect the way you are" that's not what I asked bitch

>>18463670
it will fix itself over time if you corrected your posture and you aren't hunched over. you may be able to speed it up with tret, but you should just go ask a derm.
microneedling may also help.

>>18463707
Over how much time would you say? I was thinking of making shirtless thirst traps on instagram soon and I'd rather use no photoshop
I'll use the tret and dermarolling, thanks for the pointers!

>>18462611
every 3 days. by the third day it has gone from stubble to "short hairs" and thats where it's got to go.

>The Ordinary has launched an online library of open source white papers designed to dispel beauty myths
It is under https://thetruthshouldbeordinary.com/articles
Seems like its dead since the launch in January?
Some more details here: https://britishbeautycouncil.com/ordinary-launches-truth-should-be-ordinary/

>>18452704
>shit falls off as soon as you fall asleep making it pointless

>*does nothing*

>>18464549
it doesn't though
you either are using really small handkerchiefs or you are one restless sleeper

>>18464627
is it true that tretinoin takes care of acne and pih spots better than this?

>>18464705
Well yeah

>>18463330
>>18463334
Kind of unrelated, but how can I do my eye makeup like that?

>>18464799
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOySlLBF1cg

which retinol/retinoid are worth looking at? i value the effect over the price
some skin barrier repairing moisturizer would be decent as well

it's hard to deal with oily skin. 1h after cleansing (i've reduced to once daily) if i press the back of my hand against the forehead i can see oil transferred to it

still searching for a way to fix it. ive tried niacinamide, vitamin c, most types of acids in serums, moisturizers etc. currently using prescription grade azelaic acid and tretinoin

>>18464822
adapalene 0.1 if you want something OTC (equivalent to tret 0.025)
tretinoin if you're willing to order from overseas or ask your doctor. i personally use amazon one medical.
adapalene or tret shouldn't cost you more than like $25
i like la roche-posay's double repair moisturizer

>>18464866
Adapalene was not equivalent to tretinoin in my experience, I used it for just over a year and got far better results in just 2 months of tretinoin. Considering the cost, I would consider adapalene a waste of time and money

>>18464841
i dont think its possible to "fix" oily skin type with any product
moisturizers should usually be oil free. geek&gorgeous vitamin c serum makes me forget about my oily forhead until pm routine. products with silica also help with oiliness i believe. long term usage of niacinmide and retinoids can help but ymmv
is your hair oily by any chance?
>>18464549
use some old tshirt maybe
>>18464705
retinoids for acne would be my first choice
>>18464822
first time retinols are usually cerave, olay24 or neutrogena. if adapalene is otc in your country then go for it instead
>some skin barrier repairing moisturizer
cicaplast baume b5+ but its more of a slugging products so use some regular moisturizer under it
>>18464882
nta but
>Adapalene was not equivalent to tretinoin in my experience
was it for anti aging or acne?

>>18464924
>i dont think its possible to "fix" oily skin type with any product
your recommendation some months ago made me go after vit c but unfortunately it didnt help. i have yet to try things like grapeseed oil, rosehip oil, silica powders and mineral sunscreen. how oily is your skin? do you use bloating paper? i think my best way to deal with it is no actives at all, no moisturizers etc (!) and just bloating paper every 3-4h since every active (even those for sebum control) makes my skin greasier and leave an almost immediate unnatural shine. niacinamide which is a staple in sebum control makes me greasier. weird how skins react uniquely

>is your hair oily by any chance?
usually not but nowadays it has been if i dont wash in 24h. dry roots i'd say, curly, medium length. i had the impression shoulder length was drier, but maybe it's the skin products im currently using.

ive been looking for anedoctes and some people seem to claim tretinoin may have changed their skin type (for combo or less oily, which is my hope if it works at a gene-expression level), but at the same time it didnt change anything for others

>>18464924
>>18464866
adapalene is not OTC over here, practically nothing is. they're pretty wary over prescribing anything as well. if it's OTC in france, I can order it and have it shipped over though.
i like cicaplast but I feel like it never dries and that its so sticky... nothing I'd like to wear when i go out or go to sleep. I'll check out the double repair by LRP

>>18464841
if you have acne just go on isotretinoin. it's the only thing that will actually reduce the amount of oil. everything else is so minor that if you have as much oil as you're saying it likely won't make much of a difference, is a lot of hassle, and could end up irritating your skin quit a bit. not sure how long you tried niacinamide, but it takes a few months of consistent use to see the results. tretinoin will take about 4 months once you get up to 5-6 times a week. my routine from before isotret.

A.M.
beplain - Mung Bean pH-Balanced Cleansing Foam
Isntree - Green Tea Fresh Toner
The Ordinary - Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1%
CeraVe - Ultra-Light Moisturizing Lotion SPF 30

P.M.
beplain - Mung Bean pH-Balanced Cleansing Foam
Isntree - Green Tea Fresh Toner
Tretinoin or Adapalene
Torriden - Dive-IN Low Hyaluronic Acid Cream

my foray into lips

- use regularly -
>Aquaphor - Lip Repair Ointment
my default. does the work well. no down sides.
>Dr. Dans - CortiBalm Lip Balm
if they're chapped / damaged
>Jack Black - Lip Balm SPF 25 Sunscreen
outdoors

- didn't prefer -
>Dr. Dan's - SPF 30 Lip Balm Mineral Based
a lot of cast
>NIVEA - LipCare Lip Deep Moisture Unscented SPF16 PA+
nice, but prefer jack black. also hard to get cause japan
>Torriden - SOLID In Ceramide Lip Essence
high gloss, otherwise really nice. will continue to use at night until it runs out. won't repurchase though.

>>18464669
Latter. Often wake up with my head at the foot of the bed, likewise my sleeping mask always slips up off my head

>>18461488
1488 of truth

>>18464799
Erm.... are you a uhhh... a real female???? Like a... uh.. "girl" as erm,,,, as some would say??? Sry if it's a weird question......

>>18465382
My wife Bocchi

>>18451791 (OP)
so i started cleansing and moisturizing every day, how long until i can start seeing results? (was already using sunscreen)

i'm 21 and i guess my skin is pretty average for my age, without any major flaws such as acne. so maybe it's more about keeping it that way?

>>18465162
>high gloss
thanx for the rec

does anyone have suggestions for bath oils?
i loathe slaking my entire body with lotion or creams and the sensation afterwards, particularly if i have to don clothes, is prolonged suffering; bath oils are a nice way to easily moisturise while also not leaving me sticky

there are some stores near me selling promising goods but they are somewhat expensive
i've been contemplating concocting my own and figured surely someone else on 4chan has done it although i'm not certain where to ask

i've used sweet almond oil before but it was horribly greasy so i was considering jojoba oil with colloidal oatmeal and then isoproyl palmitate and olivem 300 plus then whatever daily random experiments i feel like (predominantly essential oils)

>>18465514
the only thing that gave me quick results the next day were retinoids
if you've ever been to a mineral spa and seen your skin glowing afterwards -- retinoids basically had the same effect for me

>>18464955
>your recommendation some months ago made me go after vit c but unfortunately it didnt help
sorry to hear that. what product did you end up with?

overall skincare is trial and error so its good to see you are experimenting. reason i asked about hair is because my forehead tends to get oily if my hair is oily. someone said once that people focus so much on face but do nothing on their hair/scalp. apparently both need the same amount of attention. though i dont really do much for my hair (beside sls free shampoo and conditioner with a few drops of oil if i feel like adding it)
>some people seem to claim tretinoin may have changed their skin type
i had combination skin before retinoids and 2 years later skill combination but a little more dry
>>18465042
if you are in eu, check out boderm tazarene. it can be ordered from spain or greece directly. it went through customs recently in my country after it was banned last year. the label even had contents listed for full transparency lol
>>18465158
nice
>>18465514
what effects are you looking for? if you have no skin issues, i would not expect much
>>18465732
i have no experience with this but maybe check out diy cosmetics websites, perhaps they have some recipes for your use case

>>18465788
>what effects are you looking for? if you have no skin issues, i would not expect much
probably just to make my skin smoother and firmer in general. it's by no means perfect or anything

there are some fine lines i could do without, but idk they might just be normal, they don't strike me as severe. no idea though

>>18465794
added for clarification: i don't know how "fine" the lines need to be to be actually counted as "fine lines". could be the case that everyone have it like that and i'm just looking to closely

>>18465514
>>18465794
>>18465801
fine line at 21 is kinda early. those are probably caused by dehydrated skin. if you're drinking plenty of water and using moisturizer, you should see results within a few days.

you may want to add in a hyaluronic acid serum. hyaluronic acid is a humectant that draws moisture up from deeper within the skin.

avoid alcohol and smoking.

what skin type do you have and what moisturizer and cleanser are you using?
skin type: https://ctxt.io/2/AAD4kGcxFw

Torriden Dive-IN Low Molecular Hyaluronic Acid Serum

>>18460164
>>18460922
physical exfoliants are almost always bad. chemical exfoliant are the preferred method.

it works by breakup up the binding fats between the dead skin cells at the upper most layer of the skin, the skin barrier. some people have naturally thicker or thinner skin barriers. the more thick it becomes the more likely it will appear dull / grayish. this is where exfoliants come in.

you can over use exfoliants, wearing down the skin barrier too thin. when it's too thin bacteria can cross the skin barrier more easily and you end up with red irritated skin and/or breakouts. repairing you skin barrier once it's been damaged can take months.

conversely, people with naturally thin skin barriers want to avoid using exfoliants and instead try to build it up using heavy moisturizers, barrier creams, and such.

there's a happy medium. too much in either direction is bad, but too thin / damaged is the worse of the two.

different options

>body
CeraVe SA Cleanser Bar for Rough & Bumpy Skin
CeraVe Body Wash with Salicylic Acid

>face
CeraVe Renewing SA Cleanser
Paula's Choice Skin Perfecting 2% BHA Liquid Exfoliant (only once every 3-4 days) this stuff is heavy duty

>>18465944
combinatoral maybe? pretty matte but somewhat shinier is the forehead

the brand i'm purchasing from is non-international, but anyway:

https://cdn.sanity.io/images/vb4snu6l/production/04365254cc98f0e84c3aa2dd6227a909dbe87597-1660x1903.jpg
> Aqua Sodium Laureth Sulfate Cocamidopropyl Betaine Butylene Glycol Glycerin Sucrose Cocoate Sodium Chloride Panthenol Tocopheryl Acetate Laureth-3 Lactic Acid Phenoxyethanol Benzoic Acid

https://cdn.sanity.io/images/vb4snu6l/production/cc16dd3709f0ba53961ca00fef5f6e34df2d119b-1660x1903.jpg
> Aqua, Glycerin, Ethylhexyl Stearate, Canola Oil, Polyglyceryl-3 Dicitrate/Stearate, Propanediol, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Myristyl Myristate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Panthenol, Sodium Lactate, Lactic Acid, Xanthan Gum, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Dimethicone, Citric Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Sodium Benzoate

i don't drink or smoke btw. but my lips have a tendency to become chapped, so probably need to drink water more consistently

>>18465944
combination type maybe? pretty matte but somewhat shinier in the forehead

the brand i'm purchasing from is non-international, but anyway:

https://cdn.sanity.io/images/vb4snu6l/production/04365254cc98f0e84c3aa2dd6227a909dbe87597-1660x1903.jpg (embed)
> Aqua Sodium Laureth Sulfate Cocamidopropyl Betaine Butylene Glycol Glycerin Sucrose Cocoate Sodium Chloride Panthenol Tocopheryl Acetate Laureth-3 Lactic Acid Phenoxyethanol Benzoic Acid

https://cdn.sanity.io/images/vb4snu6l/production/cc16dd3709f0ba53961ca00fef5f6e34df2d119b-1660x1903.jpg (embed)
> Aqua, Glycerin, Ethylhexyl Stearate, Canola Oil, Polyglyceryl-3 Dicitrate/Stearate, Propanediol, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Myristyl Myristate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Panthenol, Sodium Lactate, Lactic Acid, Xanthan Gum, Ammonium Acryloyldimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Dimethicone, Citric Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Sodium Benzoate

i don't drink or smoke btw. but my lips have a tendency to become chapped, so probably need to drink water more consistently

>>18451791 (OP)
>new forehead line appeared the last couple of days
What the fuck, I'm only 21. I've been doing what I can routine wise (SA wash, moisturizer, sunscreen), and drinking more water. Is my skin just irreversibly fucked? I'm unironically starting to consider botox
And yes, I know I'm balding, and I'm on fin/min. Stay on topic

>>18464801
Thank you.
>>18465383
Yep. Don't worry, there's no need to apologize for the question. Even though this is probably one of the threads that is most likely to have girls in it, I get that a 4chan user is more likely to be male than not, so it's understandable that a question about makeup techniques would arouse curiosity.

>>18466244
Jesus, why do these always die around the time I post in them

>>18466244
Hmm maybe recheck after good night of sleep
>fin/min
Didn't they speed up aging of skin?

is oral isotretinoin better than topical tretinoin?

>>18451791 (OP)
my routine:
>shower every other day
>shave face
>put this shit on in the shower then rinse
my skin has never been clearer, you guys don't need to overcomplicate things

>>18467673
no, that's bunk

im a fitz 1 on the pale scale
should I buy orange tan and get it over with
I dont want to get burned or get skin cancer

How the us fees buying from BOJ, instead of amazon?

Serious question: can I use dishwasher salt for my feet?

should i go for 10mg isotretinoin with 0.05% tretinoin?
have been using the topical cream for about a month and i see no difference
when i was on 20mg isotretinoin every day, my acne was completely gone, but now it's back (mild, but still) and i don't think topical tretinoin is working as well as the oral route

Had the window cracked open and didn't have sunscreen applied with taz on for around an hour, is this going to be a big issue?
>>18468646
Try it.and if it doesn't work slowly increment up dose/strength.

CeraVe Foaming Face Wash with Hyaluronic Acid and Niacinamide for Oily Skin - 8 fl oz
Isntree green tea toner
Cetaphil gentle clear mattifying acne
Is this a good starting point for a oily skin routine? I have acne to so idk if I need something else I posted my face a long time ago is this fine for dark skin?

Finally past the tretinoin purge I think

best body moisturizer i've tried. so happy i've found it.

- goat -
Derma:B Mild Moisture Body Lotion
great moisture, not greasy feeling, no scent. light and quick to apply / absorb. last for a long time. my skin is noticeably better. woke up the other morning and my skin was glistening. never seen it like this before :)

- good -
>CeraVe - Daily Moisturizing Lotion
can smell like spoiled fish sometimes. is nice feeling though.

>CeraVe - Intensive Moisturizing Lotion 5% Hydro-Urea
nice, but a little greasy feeling. eventually it soaks in.

>Cetaphil - Moisturizing Lotion
nice, but a strong baby wipe smell

- not my skin type -
>CeraVe - SA Lotion for Rough & Bumpy Skin
sa not for me

>Eucerin Intensive Repair Body Lotion
very heavy. kinda weird smell (burnt chemical)

>Lipikar Body Lotion for Normal to Dry Skin
very heavy

>Lipikar Body Cream AP+M Triple Repair
very, very heavy
good before bed, but at that point just slather aquaphor

>>18469242
me too buddy :D

>>18470515
Now I wait for the many many months if not years for the PIH to be gone...

>>18470738
that's the same thing i have on my butt from shaving and ingrown hairs
i will try urea cream for it, otherwise jump to hydroquinone

>>18470738
eh, for me PIH spots and fine lines were gone within a few weeks of using adapalene
it'll probably be quicker with tret

As a 28 year old teenager only recently getting into skincare I would like to ask what percent of good skin is just genetic/hydration

I get mistaken for being a lot younger but put that down to never letting the sun touch my skin and drinking a lot of water.

>>18471215
A few weeks??? I think we are dealing with two different things

>>18451791 (OP)
My ultimate skin care technique? No make up. I don't even wash my face. I just don't wear makeup. Everyone comments how young I look. I am in my 30s

alright ladies how long do you think this guy will take to heal

>>18471442
yeah what can I say? shit was really effective on me

>>18467948
depends, you would need to take all the disadvantages and adverse effects of both into consideration. but i think the usual way of thinking is that oral isotretinoin is for acne all around the body or in some other severe cases and tret is for face only
>>18471283
>what percent of good skin is just genetic
why not take a good close up look at people you would consider "beatiful" i guess? or maybe compare some known hollywood actors/actresses and your parents (they should be similar age obviously). make sure the pictures are high res and do not use filters (though they usually do)
>hydration
i believe you will find the answer to this after touching woman's hand. if you are a woman, touch man's hand. possibly someone who does not work physically with their hands, otherwise your opinion might be skewed by the possible skin damage they experienced so far in their life

>>18467955
>>18469125
>>18469413
very nice
>>18471444
based

what's the best way to get rid of blackheads? I've been using organic coconut oil and theraplex eczema cream for the AM but now I hear that coconut oil can close pores. I can't use cerave because the methlparaben starts my eczema up bad. at night I do face exercises, wash with an exfoliating cloth and retinol regenerating cream on parts.

fuck no one told me I had to leave the BP cleanser on for a few minutes before rinsing it off. It's not in the directions on the label I don't think.
Here's my routine right now. I know I need to start leaving the BP cleanser on longer, any other changes I need to make? More cleansing, like after shaving and after the BP cleanser?
I'm still getting pimples around my face, and not just in places I shave.
>morning
wash face gentle cleanser
shave with a gel
rinse off (in the shower, but no further washing/cleansing of face)
dry off
then apply some moisturizer, but not a lot
>evening before bed
wash with the BP cleanser
rinse off
dry off
and then apply a little bit of moisturizer

>>18451791 (OP)
Retin A and vitamin C is all you need, glycolic peels occasionally are also impressive.

Stupid me left out of my moisturizer without putting on the lid on for a couple of hours, is it still good? Am I over reacting?

>>18471695
I think I can find someone extremely beatiful and them still have bad skin tho just based on face shape/how much they work out.

>hydration
By that I just meant drinking water to stay hydrated to look young, but urh I've been told I have extremely soft skin for a man without using moisturisers but I do drink a lot of water.

how many people on this board use this?
i have been using since 2021
0.05% strength

>>18472899
i started it this month, same %
has it helped your skin?

>>18472903
hard to say if it has helped as I did not start using it for acne, but for anti-aging. I do get compliments about my skin though and generally it's good

>>18472904
i am going to pair it with isotretinoin 10 mg
my acne has resurfaced after quitting it about 6 months ago

>>18471547
Literally two or three days. Skin grows from bottom up

has anyone here tried both isotretinoin caps/tabs and tretinoin cream at once? did you see any good results?

Will sunscreen break down if I keep my sunscreen bottle in my coat pocket?

I've been using retinol since August and I started using this for acne. It has 0.25mg tretinoin in it. Will this tretinoin help with wrinkles or do I need to use another tretinoin or retinol in combination with this to keep getting anti aging benefits

I used up my kiehl's retinol serum so I am looking for some other cheaper alternatives as this one is 100 eurobucks. My lotcal drugstore offers retinals and bakuchiol alternatives so I was wondering if it is a big difference between the 3 of them?

>>18452073
skinwalker

>>18471892
for blackheads my derm recommended double cleansing and epiduo. you can also find some other recs for this in previous threads like salicylic acid products
>>18471898
well the longer you leave it on, the more it will dry you and/or possibly make your skin irritated so be careful with that. you could also just get a BP cream. make sure your moisturizer has niacinamide (helps with acne and other stuff). you dont need to dry off before applying moisturizer. it would actually benefit you more if you apply moisturizer while your skin is damp to lock that water in
before spending a lot of money on skincare against acne, make sure your habits are in check (touching face, wash face when you sweat, do not use hot water on your face) and your diet (no slop, processed food, diary, products with significant amount of added sugar).
>>18472219
if it has not separated and did not change color or texture then its fine
>>18474147
make sure to follow the storage temperature instruction, usually something like pic related and placed somewhere on the package or the box it came with
>>18474160
>Will this tretinoin help with wrinkles
yes, it is enough for anti aging. higher concentration retinoids are usually used for acne, low dosage is fine for anti aging iirc
>>18475109
difference between various retinol serums/creams can boil down to formulation mostly. some are more efficient than others. anons in previous threads said they got retinol from another company and it was better than some other one so ymmv. formulation also affects detoriation of a product. there was some kind of chemist/cosmetician on youtube saying that granactive retinoid from the ordinary detoriates slower than regular retinol in squalane but not sure if it is something significant to really bother. but yes you can read about encapsulated retinol etc. i bought retinol from cerave and had good results over 3 months

>>18471892
for blackheads my derm recommended double cleansing and epiduo. you can also find some other recs for this in previous threads like salicylic acid products
>>18471898
well the longer you leave it on, the more it will dry you and/or possibly make your skin irritated so be careful with that. you could also just get a BP cream. make sure your moisturizer has niacinamide (helps with acne and other stuff). you dont need to dry off before applying moisturizer. it would actually benefit you more if you apply moisturizer while your skin is damp to lock that water in
before spending a lot of money on skincare against acne, make sure your habits are in check (touching face, wash face when you sweat, do not use hot water on your face) and your diet (no slop, processed food, dairy, products with significant amount of added sugar for two weeks to see if it helps).
>>18472219
if it has not separated and did not change color or texture then its fine
>>18474147
make sure to follow the storage temperature instruction, usually something like pic related and placed somewhere on the package or the box it came with
>>18474160
>Will this tretinoin help with wrinkles
yes, it is enough for anti aging. higher concentration retinoids are usually used for acne, low dosage is fine for anti aging iirc
>>18475109
difference between various retinol serums/creams can boil down to formulation mostly. some are more efficient than others. anons in previous threads said they got retinol from another company and it was better than some other one so ymmv. formulation also affects detoriation of a product. there was some kind of chemist/cosmetician on youtube saying that granactive retinoid from the ordinary detoriates slower than regular retinol in squalane but not sure if it is something significant to really bother. but yes you can read about encapsulated retinol etc. i bought retinol from cerave and had good results over 3 months

>>18475109
in terms of backuchiol vs retinol some studies suggest they might be similar but retinoids have been studied a lot more so it is up to you

>>18475123
>difference between various retinol serums/creams can boil down to formulation mostly
and obviously retinol concentration

Taking dutasteride 0.5mg once daily has done more to clear up my skin than years of slathering my face with expensive creams and serums.

did laser resurfacing for my pox and keloid scars
the scales flaked off from the keloid scars and haven't improved them
will they require additional sessions?
also the derm said the pox scars are too deep and cutting the skin will improve them
should i do that instead of laser?

>>18451791 (OP)
what to look for in a shampoo if i want to be nice to the health of my hair follicles?

also, how bad of an idea is it to use shampoo for body, or bodywash for hair?

What do you guys use for spot treatment?

>>18476040
no sulphates no parabens no silicone

isotretinoin
>month 1
20 mg
>month 2
30 mg
>month 3
40 mg
>month 4-9
60 mg

weight 71kg
current cumulative does 13,500 mg

my derm will probably ask if i want to go another month which will put me at 15,300 mg.
i haven't had any negative side effects. i'm not even dried out like i see people online report. my skin right now is normal. best it's ever been. if it stayed this way forever i'd be happy.

is there a way to tell if i've gone far enough aside from the cumulative dose. i was expecting really dry skin. for context i would be the oiliest person you've ever met. like absurd, constantly looks wet oily.

what's others experience? do you get more oily once you quit? by how much? kinda hard to quantify i know. did you have normal skin throughout treatment?

should i go another month?

Any good body/facial cream with salicyclic acid for eczema/psoriasis? Preferably with no fragrance, paraffin, mineral oil or the new fangled oat thing. All these are either drying me out , irritate the skin even more and contributing to mega itch.Tried Cerave SA cream, good for legs but not for face and other part of the body.

>>18465788
How long u been using the Boderm one? I recently switched from a-ret 0.05% to the 0.1% Boderm one and so far I find way superior but the lack of peeling or just any irritations makes me wonder just how potent it is for the anti-aging aspect.

>>18477177
>is there a way to tell if i've gone far enough aside from the cumulative dose. i was expecting really dry skin. for context i would be the oiliest person you've ever met. like absurd, constantly looks wet oily.

how less oily did your skin get? im extremely oily, i think iso will be the only way

>>18477814
right now it's normal, leaning slightly dry in certain areas like my calves and back of arms. my face/scalp is normal. i still use moisturizer on everything, which is enough to negate the little bit of dryness i do have. i'm hoping it stays this way or at least close to it.

when i say i was oily, i mean i've never met a person that's even close. you'd think it was a zinc deficiency or something. my hair would be visibly greasy with 8 hours. if i wore a hat or something, just a couple of hours. 30 mins and my entire face was shiny.

Is body wash/lotion important? I've just been using a foamburst generic one my entire life.

>>18477923
>when i say i was oily, i mean i've never met a person that's even close.
i know. im the oiliest person i know and im in my 30s. i get oily after washing with cleansers for oily skin (im >>18464841). only oily people know what it feels like

saw anedoctes in which isotretinon (and tret) permanently changes oily skin into normal or combo, which sounds promising, but at the same time it doesn't seem to work for everyone. right now im focusing on aza and tretinoin to fix texture, acne and redness and only then may try iso

(topical tret apparently also causes some aggressive shininess ('tret glow'), which doesnt sound appealing at all to us with oily skin, but im willing to take that trade off for a clear skin. i wouldnt mind oily skin if it was clear like that of your korean model)

>>18451791 (OP)
do we have reccomendations for stuff you can easily get in the eu to whiten skin besides
>vitamin c
>kojic acid
im not brown but i wana get a bit whiter

Hello anons, I'm new here (m/20). I have sensitive/oily skin, and current routine is:

>Morning:
> Cold water
> Cleanse with Cetaphil Daily Facial Cleanser
> Moisturize with Cetaphil Oil Absorbing Moisturizer

>Evening:
> Cold water
> Cleanse aain
>Moisturize with Cetaphil Night Moisturizer

>Once a week:
> Checmically exfoliant face, focus on cheeks to reduce whiteheads.

So far its been working pretty well I think? I want everyone else's opinions though on if I should change around anything. I really want to get rid of the whiteheads on my cheeks mainly.

Also been using the rough, textured body wash by Cetaphil as well to address the keratosis pilaris on my skin, but no luck.

I'm still somewhat new to skincare stuff, so all advice is greatly appreciated.

>>18478355
oh, this is me >>18465158 lol.

i'd say go for isotret. it's the only thing that can permanently change it. i wish i had tried sooner even though i'm still uncertain with the final results. the past 9 months i've been on it is such a reprieve on it's own. my skin is fully clear for the first time since i was a child. my derm uses "calm" to describe it. i underestimated the amount of irritation i had. my complexion changed quite a bit and the thickness (swelling) of my skin reduced.

my experience with tret. it did reduce breakouts and i think the tret glow is from the cleared pores draining the oil faster. i had to work up to 0.1% cream to see good results and at that strength my skin was pretty sensitive, especially on my neck. I had to be real careful to not damage my skin barrier. i used a lot of moisturizer and would lock it in with lrp cicaplast balm at night. i also had to be very particular with my sunscreen during the day.
i'll probably start back up at 0.025% when i'm finished with isotret for the anti-aging benefits, unless my derm recommends a different retinoid. i'm somewhat interested in the newer gen like tazarotene and trifarotene.

>>18454030
recommendations for products that don't support israel?

>>18478939
I guaranteed you that is not possible, unless maybe chinese/korean skincare products, but you might end up paying more to have them ship to your house?

>>18479008
i think their stronghold on the bodycare industry is related to the adrenochrome farms that they have erected under gaza. they be putting that shit your CeraVe

>>18478523
bumping

made an immediate difference for me

>>18478523
don't know about the keratosis pilaris but, your routine doesn't look bad if your liking the cetaphil products. if the exfoliant doesn't work, you should try adapalene or tretinoin.

>>18478939
Make your own products and check where the ingredients are from. Or do a background check if it's a 3rd party supplier

>>18475768
never did a laser treatment but i always assumed it is not a one-time thing. i might be wrong tho
>also the derm said the pox scars are too deep and cutting the skin will improve them. should i do that instead of laser?
i doubt there will be a better recommendation from a random 4chin anon that did not get to even see your scarring
>>18476418
used to use effaclar duo but then discovered mupirocin and it can be used on top of retinoids i believe. azelaic acid in the morning if needed.
>>18477778
>How long u been using the Boderm one?
over a year now, both concentrations
>the lack of peeling or just any irritations makes me wonder just how potent it is for the anti-aging aspect.
pretty sure there are soothing/moisturizing ingredients in that cream. it is a bit more than just taz + vehicle
>>18478149
if you do not experience dryness, use whatever you've been using
>>18478359
do you mean product that brightens the skin tone?
>>18478523
>I really want to get rid of the whiteheads
if you already revised your habits and lifestyle that cause this then maybe check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hevaszImfJk
>keratosis pilaris
consider going to derm
>>18479304
agreed, shit is cash

>>18478523
Op here, I redid a bunch of it and want opinions.
>Morning:
> Lukewarm Water
> Cetaphil Gentle Exfoliating SA Cleanser
> Paula's Choice 2% BHA Liquid Exfoliant
> Cetaphil Gentle Clear Mattifying Acne Moisturizer
> Neutrogena 2.5% Benzoyl Peroxide Cream
> No suncreen yet

>Evening:
> Lukewarm Water
> Same Cleanser
> Same Toner
> Cetaphil Night Mouturizer

>Once a week:
> Clay mask on face

Did I do a better job considering I'm trying to get rid of acne?

>>18479883
Sorry, it is trash.

If you're using a salicylic acid cleanser, skip the salicylic acid toner—or vice versa. No need to double up on the same active. You might get even oilier if you do this since your skin will overproduce sebum to compensate. Not to mention irritation.

Salicylic acid toner twice a day: that alone might be too irritating for some people. It’s often better to do it once a day (AM only), or even every other day if you’re new to it.

Benzoyl peroxide (BP) should be applied close to the skin, so use it before moisturizer. I wouldn’t combine it with a leave-on salicylic acid product in the same routine, as that increases the risk of irritation.

My general advice is: scrap your current routine and:
- cleanse + moisturizer + sunscreen in the morning (or skip moisturizer if sunscreen is moisturizing enough for you, maybe use SA toner after cleansing if you already have it)
- cleanse + wait 20 minutes until dry + retinol + moisturizer at night

Do it consistently for 3 months. Then reassess your needs and go from there.
Use retinol every 2-3 days if you are new to it and work it up to every day.
If you have sensitive skin, use cleanser for sensitive skin. Most SA cleansers are not recommended for sensitive skin so keep that in mind.
For oily/combination skin, moisturizers should be oil free.

>I really want to get rid of the whiteheads on my cheeks
You don't eat slop and dairy, right anon?

PS. Just realized Cetaphil Gentle Clear Mattifying Acne Moisturizer has SA too, holy shit anon

thinking about going on peptides and getting a RLT face mask

heard some decent things about this combo

>>18480272
peptides degrade outside of lab conditions really quickly, no?

any recommendation for whiteheads in general?

does sitting in front of a computer screen (lights off, screen brightness all the way down) lower the efficiency of tretinoin (0.05%) cream at night?

>>18480108
Thanks for the feedback desu. Glad I got some good advice before I went and dropped a bunch of money on this stuff lol.

I have my actual current routine here >>18478523. I can easily just get by with the toner I think for SA. I'm very unfamiliar with BP to be honest, is it worth trying still? What about the clay masks?

>>18480272
clinical data says red light is good. let us know the results. which peptides?
>>18480364
see >>18463017
>>18480370
no
>>18480407
start retinol or go to derm

>>18480523
my diet is mostly fine mr/mrs korean poster
it's just that i have a lot of whiteheads
i imagine its related to some other stuff like not changing the cushions' covers or shaving with an old blade, but do you think there's something i should get?
i was thinking about getting the salicylic acid from the ordinary, i already have the peeling solution (30% aha)
do you recommend it or not?

>>18480370
Light no, UV yes.

>>18453543
aveeno therapeutic shave gel fragrance free

>>18478523
if you aren't already i would try letting the body wash dwell on your skin for a bit or switching to a leave on product like the cetaphil exfoliating sa lotion

>>18471547
wash it and put some vaseline on it

>>18465162
i will always miss this one

>>18460922
i didn't really find that bar worked well enough for my kp, i use cerave sa bar instead

is this coming to yurop?