Why do we all have to wear these ridiculous ties? I really don't understand what their function is supposed to be. The place where the boss or some harlot is supposed to grab you by like a leash?

>>18458507 (OP)
actually its so cute girls can tug you by it
also it makes you seem more masculine or something

>>18458507 (OP)
back before industrialization, your average person would only own one set of clothes for everyday wear and a sunday best they wore to church, when the everyday wear was too ruined, they bought a new set and wore their sunday best as their daily wear. For men, this mean that they wore the same suit every single day, so ties allowed men to add a bit of variety and color to their wardrobe for fairly cheap.

>t.

>>18458525
Yeah, ties are kind of like ribbons for men. They are a contrasting piece that add a bit of color and flair to an otherwise monochromatic outfit (suit).

>>18458513
>literally mentioned in OP
>>18458514
Nobody was questioning whether ties were "based" or not. The question was, why are there ties on suits?

it used to be a practical neck scarf, worn by croatian soldiers. the french thought it looked neat and we've been wearing variations on it ever since.

currently they serve no function, except that they provide a pop of color and variety in otherwise plain mens suiting.

Garments/details/accessories without function are where fashion truly dwells, the form is the "function".

That said, ties make sure the collar stays up and in place, and they cover up the buttons of the shirt.

>>18458807
>That said, ties make sure the collar stays up and in place, and they cover up the buttons of the shirt.
Sure, and shoes exist to protect socks

>>18459073
That's not how analogies work, retard.

>>18458507 (OP)
Only old people like to dress like that, and it’s extremely uncomfortable. Expect it to die with boomers

>>18459081
suits are pretty comfy, actually.
especially the trousers, way more comfy than jeans.

it's only when you cheap out and get something plastic off the rack that isn't fitted to you that they get uncomfy.

It's a humiliation ritual. Corporate compliance to see if you'll do nonsensical bullshit to fit in and obey.

I'm glad suits and ties are going extinct. It's stuffy ugly boomer garbage

>>18459081
Then stop wearing slim fit suits with low rise pants like a faggot. Normal suits are really comfortable and practical.

>>18459643
Nigger, if it was a humiliation ritual then CEOs, board of directors, and the financial elite that "control" them wouldn't have worn them. They all wear suits because it's a uniform of men. It's pretty much a perfection of style, elegance and practicality. It is elegant, functional and keeps your mind away from mindless consumerism of fashion. The real humiliation ritual is convincing men that dressing like a pathetic manchild is "individualism" and "self-expression".

>>18459661
It's literally a leash. They don't wear those suits unless they are doing their sociopath larp. And tricking their underlings that is what they should aspire to be.

You will always be cattle.

>>18459662
>REEEEEEEE it's literally a leash!1!!!1
Seek help and take meds, I bet in your schizo mind ribbons are literally reins that the evil patriarchy makes women wear in their hair to make them think they are beasts of burden of men.

>>18459661
>it's a uniform of men
Then it's a good thing it's dying off. Imagine half the population wearing what is practically the same thing.
>but it's le good actually! self expression is bad and everyone should wear a uniform!
No, it's not.

>>18459668
Yeah, you're so unique in your faggy mass manufactured skinny pants, shorts, basic bitch t-shirts, and hoodies. So much individualistism such selfexprextionism.

>>18459081
The ENTIRE WORLD has dressed like that for a LONG TIME. Fucking hell you zoomers really are uneducated and retarded.

>>18459667
>bootlicking NPC successfully triggered

>>18459662
what, were you born yesterday, read a fucking book you stupid nigger.

R E A D
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>>18459676
>So much individualistism such selfexprextionism
Compared to retards who wears suits everyday, yes. A simple t-shirt with a print signals so much more than a two-piece suit ever could.
>>18459678
The entire world (except for the 0.1% of royalty) spent thousands of years barefoot and in rags. The further we strive away from "b-but everyone wears that!", the better.

>>18459678
Only people in western society used to dress like that every day for about two centuries.

>>18459655
>posts 70s thin lapels boxy garbage

>>18459678
i make six figs in a major us city and dont have to wear even a collared shirt. i wear polos sometimes just to keep myself honest

Do the tie and the handkerchief must have the same pattern or it is just a stupid rumor ?

>>18459711
Pattern and or colour

>>18459703
That says more about how much western society has degenerated into casual faggotry than anything else.
>>18459698
That's a 60's style suit. Not skintight and gay enough for you? Picrel is what 70's style suits look like. I'll still take that over millennial and zoomer slim fit gay suits/clothes any day.

>>18459703
>six figs in a major us city
So you're poor and dress like it?

I didn't feel unpoor in NYC until I started making at least 750k

>>18459714
>casual faggotry
>NOOOOOO STOP WEARING COMFORTABLE CLOTHES I NEED YOU TO BE SWEATY AND STIFF ALL THE TIME!!!!
why are suitfags like this

>>18459714
60s literally started the trend of skinny fit garbage suits.

>>18459723
Being comfortable doesn't mean dressing like a degenerate manchild or a faggot. And suits are comfortable as fuck. Tell you have never worn a suit without telling me you have never worn a suit.
>muh hot
Then stop being a fatfuck.If you can wear a hoodie in public, then you can wear a suit jacket.

>>18459728
post fit

>>18458507 (OP)
>Why do we all have to wear these ridiculous ties?
You don't "have" to. You chose to, to please others.
>don't understand what their function is supposed to be
To hold your collar closed tight without needing elastics or constantly adjusting the position of the button. It's a carryover from back when people couldn't afford tailored shirts.

>>18458507 (OP)
>what is the function of [decorative accessory]
Why are you here? Aren't there much more fun boards to shit up?

>>18459723
>>18459668
>muh comfort
>muh function
>muh individualism
Unfortunately there is nothing we can do to convince you to like suits. You see, you are afflicted by the kind of late-stage enlightenment mindset in which places no value in things like elegance, grace, decorum, or culture. What you are left with is just a nerdy slop of utilitarianism and materialism. People like you believe that all social, cultural, and societal issues that have plagued humanity for millennia can easily be solved if we simply discard all our history and traditions and use LOGIC and REASON and SCIENCE to decide everything.
Fortunately for you, there is a place that is perfect for people with your mentality: it is called reddit and you should be able to find many likeminded people there. I hear it even has a board for men's fashion, which can help you minmax your own totally individual capsule collection

>>18459758
Are you for real lmao

Go back to Fedora lounge

>>18459662
Based underage retard. These days upper-level management are pretty much the only ones who still bother wearing suits in the corporate world while rank and file employees wear whatever they want

>>18458507 (OP)
Don't be a fag and wear ties. His own wife don't even like him.

>People like you believe that all social, cultural, and societal issues that have plagued humanity for millennia can easily be solved if we simply discard all our history and traditions and use LOGIC and REASON and SCIENCE to decide everything.
suitfags be like
>everyone should wear a uniform!
>what? you don't want one? WAAAGH! think of the CULCHA! wearing a uniform is le HISTORY and le TRADITIONS!!!!! NOOOOO DON'T PUT THAT T-SHIRT ON THE SOCIETY IS GETTING SHATTERED!

>>18458507 (OP)
Surrounding yourself in a gaudy interior is trying too hard to come off as rich

>>18459793
You're a natural at talking like a redditor You'll fit in perfectly with them. Good luck with all your future redditing endeavors.

>everything against SOOTS is le reddit! you should wear suits and only suits everyday!

>>18459643
Women check me out more than usual when I'm suited. It's the exception rather than the rule now. Often I'll wear a suit just to get the looks.

>>18459787
>buttons the bottom button
???

>>18459694
This isn't the 90's anymore, retard. Nobody wears graphic t-shirts these days. Everyone wears plain t-shirts now, mostly in "neutral colors" like white, grey, black and navy. People already wear a uniform, the only difference is the type. Instead of suits, they wear plain t-shirts, sweatpants and hoodies, mostly in greys, navy blue or black. Wow, so individualistist. Picrel is what a typical zoomer on the streets has been dressing like for over half a decade now.

>>18459837
Have sex everyday

>>18459678
Who the fuck do you see going to the movies, walmart, or doing every day tasks wearing a full suit and tie? Nobody because it's uncomfortable, impractical, and makes you look fucking retarded.
We want to wear street clothes and look fly, not like Im on way to a quarterly meeting with shareholders.

>>18459728
>wearing a t-shirt and jeans in public is "degenerate manchild" behavior
Go outside and be normal for once. Also, it's the middle of summer in the north part of the world. Nobody but the most autistic sperg is wearing a hoodie right now when it's almost 90 degrees outside.

>>18459876
>We want to wear street clothes and look fly
How old are you anon? This is how my teenage sons talk

>>18459878
So it's a t-shirt + sweatpants/shorts version of picrel. Still a uniform. Also, barely any zoomers wear jeans anymore. It's mostly a millennial and reddit thing in the current year. Most zoomers and younger wear sweatpants. They hate jeans. They're too "uncomfortable" for their fragile girly legs.

>>18458507 (OP)
Wearing a tie feels like having your cock out.

>>18459978
youve never seen an american zoomer you live in a favela in mumbai

>>18460027
only america and india exist in the world?

>>18458507 (OP)
His house looks like where you would shoot high budget porn. People will call his taste tacky but on the other side you can make the argument of great sleaze aesthetics.

>>18460089
the whole thing kinda reeks of numoney gaudiness but yeah theres prolly more to it

>>18460108
It's a shitty McMansion covered in gold everywhere. It doesn't pass the aura check. It feels like a goofy movie set (too fake and artificial), rather than a mansion where actual super rich people with power, class, influence and heritage live. Something you can see in the Rothschild mansion.

>>18459758
>You see, you are afflicted by the kind of late-stage enlightenment mindset in which places no value in things like elegance, grace, decorum, or culture.

>>18459081
>>18459703
>>18459728
>>18459876
It feels like for the past two decades media has been lambasting the suit for being “uncomfortable” or stuffy or lame. That the best that matters is “dude but muh self expression!” But then they all express themselves like shit and these guys are trying so hard rip off rage against the machine or they sound life self-sucking faggots because they’re..above wearing suits(?).

>>18461902
It all started with IT nerds like Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg parading around in t-shirts, jeans and sneakers during presentations, TV interviews and other public appearances, especially after the iPhone blew up in popularity. To them it was like a flex, to signal that they are so rich and powerful that they are above rules and traditions.

But then the corporate peasants also started aping them and showing up to work in casual clothes to look like their idols and role models, and especially because why bother putting effort into dressing up for work in a proper suit and take care of it, when you can just continue wearing the clothes you've been wearing since high school and college, just like the biggest CEOs in the hot new industry of IT? Hence, "muh business casuals".

Gradually people got so used to shamelessly dressing like shit everywhere that these days even wearing a button up shirt with jeans looks "dressy" to them, let alone a suit.

>>18461949
>>18461902
You two unironically reek of >>18460241.

>>18458507 (OP)
In a business-casual environment the shirt-jacket-tie ensemble's function is to direct the looker's gaze into your face, that is why we shouldn't use a tie without a jacket or blazer, you may use only a shirt and jacket but the above mentioned effect will be diminished. Long ties are use instead of bow ties to hide the ugly buttons of the shirt. Your comparison of a tie with a leash indicate a sado-masochist tendency on your part for which I recommend you to seek psychological help. Good luck.

P.D. Trump's sense of fashion is atrocious, terrible example for this board.

>>18461952
Not an argument.

>>18461986
Yeah, it's a fact. Nothing could be more reddit than seething about people wearing t-shirts instead of suits all day.

>>18461995
What does it say about you when redditors understand /fa/ better than a resident of the /fa/ board?

>>18462001
I accept the superiority of reddit communities. It's not surprising that they have better fits and sense of style than the 3.5 people posting here.

>>18459661
Yet i don't see these guys using ties

>>18459799
I don't like defending the guy but how come is gaudy when it's a private room but when it's a public saloon it's culture?
>>18460117
>Aura
Gays are not allowed to discuss architecture, fag
>>18459841
>Nobody wears graphic t-shirts these days
Wrong.

>>18462008
>I don't like defending the guy but how come is gaudy when it's a private room but when it's a public saloon it's culture?
It's not "culture", it's just as gaudy except there might be some excuse to have all that visual clutter in a public setting, whereas in your actual home it's just useless.

PLEASE BE MY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL!
Your sweatpants and hoodie make you the epitome of "trustworthy" and "safe."

>>18458507 (OP)
>ridiculous ties
That's literally just Trump.

Regardless, the purpose of ties are decorative neckwear; they look good and elevate your style. Personally, I think they only look good, when you cover most of your shirt with something. Doesn't matter what! Jumper, waistcoat, 3-button blazer, double-breasted---so long as only the top of your tie is showing, it looks good

>>18462008
Aura exists whether you like it or not, nigger.

>>18458507 (OP)
>>18458513
FPBP

>>18462006
they're literally wearing ties in your photo

>>18459694
>>18459662
>>18459723
You're not countercultural for performatively rejecting dress norms that no longer exist. This is a dated and bitter caricature of millenial backlash to formalwear that comes off as extremely out of touch.

>>18459876
>muh uncomfortable
Nigger, have you ever worn a suit in your life? I bet you haven't even worn slacks and a button up shirt tucked in, let alone a suit. Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

>>18459876
>Who the fuck do you see going to the movies, walmart, or doing every day tasks wearing a full suit and tie?

>>18465167
Yes. They're not comfortable and look ridiculous. Plus, it's 95 and humid where I live. I wouldn't be wearing suits even if I liked them right now. I'd rather look cool and be comfortable.
I have a flight on Saturday and Im going to wear my nicest outfit to the airport. It certainly isn't a suit.

>>18467498
>Im going to wear my nicest outfit to the airport
... but why?

>>18458507 (OP)
It's supposed to cover the buttons like battons over nails on a wall. It's trim to cover the fasteners.

>>18459876

>>18459787
This is what poor people think dressing nice is like, this "man" looks like a total faggot.

>>18467511
That peaky blinder bullshit is also cringe as fuck

>>18467517
>everything that makes me feel insecure is cringe
Women love suits. It makes a man look put together and distinguished. Other men will also instinctively feel compelled to show respect to a man wearing a well-fitting suit. Of course, you also need the appropriate mannerisms and body language to go with it. A negrified, limp wristed nu-male would look like a cosplaying retard if he doesn't have the grace and class to wear a suit.

>>18458507 (OP)
it adds vertical lines which are slimming and brings attention to your face while drawing attention away from your width

>>18467520
wrong. either you live in a big city and no one notices or gives a shit, or you live in the burbs or small town and people assume you are gay or tryhard- or can pick up their tab for them.

>>18467499
Because that's one of the places people wear their nicest clothes. I don't know why, but I do it now too

>>18467520
I meant cosplaying as a peaky blinder retard is cringe. Cosplaying as 00 agent is based.

>>18467520
Nobody wears a suit unless they have to for work. I think just about everyone who isn't a boomer is more comfortable in street clothes instead.

>>18467571
People dress like slobs for the airport.

>>18467585
No they don’t. Lots of people wear the nicest shit there. I see so much Louis and Gucci every time I fly somewhere

>>18458507 (OP)
it's a phallus. it's shaped like a penis and points to the genitals, and the boss of a workspace wears a striking one to assert dominance

>>18462008
it's not a private room. The rich have no private space, everything they own, every room of every one of their house is an opportunity to show off their wealth, to impress other rich people

>>18458507 (OP)
shut up !

>>18467595
That actually makes sense

>>18467511
I

>>18467511
He looks out of place and the looks he’s getting aren’t really saying
>“Wow, look at him!”
But more like
“The fuck is he wearing a suit here for?”

>>18468902
WRONG. Only the nog at the end was giving that look. All the other men were mirin, and the women were visibly horny while their boyfriends were getting insecure and trying to rush their women away. That's the kind of body language and look horny women give.

>>18468991
The look on her face is more like "What the fuck is this retard doing?" She doesn't look like she's checking him out