I usually buy shit pairs of jeans. Now that I am getting into some money and a nicer job, what should I look for in nice denim? Anymore brands I should look at?

Iron hearts
studio d'artisan
evisu
japanese denim in general
just go to the denim general

Look into Wrangler, it doesn't get any better than the 13mwz

Naked and Famous

>>18471579 (OP)
They're a meme. They are high end because they use antique production methods and machines. Which give them a unique, vintage look. If you're looking for durability, then modern jeans made with projectile looms are more durable, because they're much more tightly woven.

I'm pretty happy with my N&F. I gave up on cheap jeans after 2 pairs of levis failed on me within a couple of months. Ignore the retard saying good jeans are a scam.

>>18471632
I am transitioning into a true office job, so no need for another rugged pair. I plan to keep my older, cheaper jeans for real work. I wanted these for more of the style and the denim itself.

>>18471579 (OP)
>Cowboy themed jeans
>Not offered in groovy guy
why are they like this

>>18471579 (OP)
Naked and famous isn't that high end. You get get stuff for like $60 when they're getting rid of stock

>>18471579 (OP)
Oni secret denim duh

>>18471756
Millenial run companies are going to be averse to widely offering any non-slim or skinny fits

>>18471579 (OP)
apc newfags

>>18471800
It's still higher end compared to what I am used to. Plus I've been told they are comfortable.

>>18471632
LOLno your cheap jeans are not more durable because they're made on a projectile loom. they're also made with short staple length cotton negating any upside of the tight weave. tight weaves are much more likely to develop blowouts due to having less give so real world they're less durable than loose weaves.
you can get projectile loomed extra long staple from the upscale and designer prefaded brands. like the stuff you see at nordstrom or on ssence. iron heart and evisu do it too i'm sure other denim bro brands as well.
ur jeans are made from the cutting floor scraps of the good jeans you can cope but they're not the same.

>>18471579 (OP)
Naked and Famous is the floor of good denim. Then and ACP
They're still better than any Levi's mallslop trash, but there's way better

>>18471991
honestly rustlers aren't bad. but they're a rare exception to the rule.

>>18471991
I'll keep that in mind when I eventually make my purchase. Anymore recommendations in the $200-$300 range like Naked and Famous?

>>18472040
Check out Rogue Territory. Made in USA of Japanese denim for decent prices
They're only just now getting their heads out of their asses and moving away from skelly fits
Their jackets and flannels are god tier

>>18472040
ooe yofukuten
freewheelers 1947 / 1951
graph zero
one piece of rock
red cloud overall
fullcount 0105 / 1101
warehouse & co
denime
evisu lot 2001
some random patrician choices if you give more of an idea what you like that'd help

>>18472046
forgot to say a lot of these will be outside your price range from western retailers but within your price if you buy them from japan. some jap retailers like hinoya and bears ship internationally others you have to use a service like fromjapan or buyee to shop on but after all the fees its a lot cheaper.
and also some of them like the full counts, warehouse's and red clouds etc can be had in pre-faded too not just raw.

The brands I have worn in order of how good they were:
Momotaro > Rogue Territory > Freenote Cloth > Levi's Premium selvedge > APC

>>18471601
Do not go to the denim general. It always devolves to a schizo ranting about the janitor. Seven months ago it could be helpful, but that thread is the worst thing on this hellhole of a site.

t. goes to every /dem/ thread and regrets it every time

>>18472125
there is no schizo.
all those posts are the janitor and his friends copy and pasting one anon's posts from the archives to try to get you to dislike him.
the janitor fucking with the denim thread was proven in the 4chan hack. see pic.
learn how to use 4chanx or warosu.org to see deleted posts next time, newfag.

>>18472125
you know whats "schizo"
the fact that 4chan was running a bsd kernel and version of php from 2017 when they got hacked...
but they had the developer time to write custom code to fuck with the denim thread?
the janny is the schizo.
denim twink was right the entire time.

>>18472125
The denim thread went to shit because the janny sat in it deleting all of our posts for 6 months straight, retard.
The denim twink was the first anon to notice it and tried to warn you.
If you pretend to be ignorant of that you're
a) A Retard.
b) One of the janny's discord faggot friends running a smear campaign because you got assblasted by the twink god anon.

>Be 4chan janitor.
>60 hours a week deleting posts about denim.
>Posting bait threads every hour about denim, short guys and white guys.
>Special code to detect if they make their own denim threads.
You couldn't write fiction this schizo.

>>18471579 (OP)
I got a pair of N&F to see what the denim hype was about. I like them quite a bit and have since picked up a few other pairs.

I went to try on the jeans in the pic since I was looking for something light for the summer. I didn't like the color though so I tried some other stuff on while I was there. Walked out with some Oni's which are now my favorite pair of jeans.

You can do better than Naked & Famous for the same money. The Sugar Cane 1947 or TCB 50s are almost universally liked, look flattering on most guys and can be found for well under $200. And please ignore the reddit faggotry about never washing your jeans.

Remember when APCs were the coolest thing you could put on your legs. Lol.

Dunno how you guys wear selvedge denim. I bought a pair of jeans since they were 50% off. Then I realized selvedge leech indigo so now I never want to wear them.

Do you guys call ahead making sure whoever you're going to doesn't own a light coloured couch? Do you go out first to make sure the grass isn't dewy? Do you watch the forecast to see whether it's gonna rain or not? Do you not wear your jeans during winter because of the snow?

Seems like a fucking hassle to me. I don't want to have to consider all the potential ramifications of wearing my pants.

>>18472317
Once you wash them a few times the amount of indigo that rubs off in day to day wear is negligible.

Nowhere else to post this. But if I want long lasting work jeans what metrics should I be looking at? I have Wrangler and Rustler(wrangler sub brand) that works just fine but I want higher quality than just these. Levis are more fashion so I only pick those up at thrift store prices(20-30$). Cost is not that important to me if its higher quality.

Relaxed Fit

>>18472353
https://www.round-house.com

There was some guy in the denim threads shilling these and having conniptions anytime anyone mentioned Chinese repros like red tornado

>>18472355
Whenever its in stock I will have to check it out.

How do you guys choose leg opening size? Do you base it on footwear? I have some 501 repos I like, but they seem to swallow all my shoes. Should I change the length? Are my shoes the issues? Is there a cut that has slightly more taper than 501? Am I screwed on leg opening because I have big thighs and there is no way to have a modest leg opening with roomy thighs?
I’m terrible at this stuff, and I would appreciate any help.

>>18472132
>>18472133
Good morning schizo. You ready for your raping you little freak? How does it feel knowing I can rape you at will since you’re a tiny manlet? Gonna cry?

>>18472373
it depends entirely on your build and look you are going for. rise, thigh width and hem width are all really important as your pants are the base for your outfits

there are thousands of cuts of denim, it takes a lot of time and exploration to find your perfect fit, the best is to go try on a bunch of cuts with someone who has taste that you trust

>denimfags pay $400 to look like a larp workwear fag for the next 4 years
>thread breeds retards
lo and behold

>>18472481
Meanwhile most workwear has moved to cargo pants with a touch of military styling. Jeans are nice but far to hot for most actual manual labor jobs.

>>18472044
seems pretty meh to me

>>18472135
what are those jeans?

>>18472261
but fades

>>18472125
/hg/ handgun general has /dem/ beat handedly. All the good regulars are gone and it's literally 2 homosexuals fellating each other

>>18472317
you soak them when you first get them...

>>18472355
love me red tornados simple as

>>18472561
You soak them?

>>18472318
You're not supposed to wash them for months though. That's what everyone tells me.
>>18472561
Mine are naked and famous. Pretty sure they come presoaked

>>18472738
You can wash them whenever you want, it's a free country.

That was advice from rapidly ageing millenials who want you to get nice high contrast fades on your tapered leg Reddit jeans for the indigo invitational

>>18471991
Uniqlo selvedge straight denim (no stretch)

>>18472738
>You're not supposed to wash them for months though.
Only if you want "le sick high contrast faydes". Those are gay anyway and don't matter much unless you're buying slim or skinny fit. "Vintage fades" from more normal frequency of washing look much better.

Need some recs of wider leg selvedge in light wash. i am so sick of dark wash jeans but i am NOT willing to wear a pair for 2 years to get them faded
i just want good selvedge in a light wash and not a skelly fit

>Jeans are made either for manlets, asians or skinny fags
>Barely any brands for thick leg tree trunk assed men.
God dammit I just want kino clothes.

>>18472919
Look into jelado, they do some very high quality prewashed selvedge jeans

>>18473022
Naked and Famous does the Relaxed Guy fit, very good for tree legs.

>>18473072
Easy Guy I mean, Strong Guy is also good.

>>18473072
Thanks anon and we all love Lain btw.

>>18473078
I love lain, may I ask why you brought it up now though?

>>18473082
Rewatching it. Did not appreciate it when i was younger. Much better now

>>18473087
Agreed, it is a very good series. I might need to rewatch it and Evangelion again soon. I keep getting the Instagram reels about them.

>>18473022
It's called relaxed fit, sweatie. Every brand from cheap Walmart slop to the most expensive weebland brand makes it.

>>18473089
Eva I would recommend torrenting it from Nyaa === .is since you can get really high quality video for. Very detailed content.

>>18473091
.si - i meant

>>18472560
>All the good regulars are gone
we all migrated to a private chat. thank god the info sharing continues.

>>18471579 (OP)
Those look ugly.

>>18473090
N

>>18473087
because you became a pedo

>>18472557
k-two studios
https://www.instagram.com/ktwo.studios
https://ktwostudios.com/ (soon)

>>18472317
i just wear them with either black sneakers you won't see the indigo dye runoff on. or i wear them with white sneakers that i think will look cool if they get indigo dye all over them.
a few rainy days and a wash, then they're usually done bleeding.
i do have to avoid wearing them at first with one of my car interiors. be aware of that if you have light or grey color furniture.

>>18472306
do you have that really old pic of the guy in a parking lot with super skinny jeans on that used to get posted all the time and we all thought it was sick?

>>18472373
the older i get the wider i like it to be. 8.5" is my minimum now days and some of my pants go to like 11-12".
i'm a skinny guy.

>>18472481
not a larp for me. durable clothes are necessary.

>>18472919
lvc's back catalogue before they went to poo.

Diesel has nice and unique design. I like their fittings a lot.

>>18473360
the era diesel peaked at is under looked by denimbros. there are people who collect vintage diesel religiously. i respect it.
i think the 70s 80s and 90s denim will be more fondly remembered as enshittification of the fashion industry drags on.

>>18471579 (OP)
Momotaro and Iron Heart are the 2 I can personally vouch for. I personally love things you wear every day that start raw and stiff, but yield to you and become molded to you over time. Every moment I'm wearing my jeans I am thinking about how I am aging them, and it feels good. I repair them by hand, and sometimes I just look at them and feel them and think about how much i enjoy them.

Any in the same price range of Naked and Famous?

>>18473193
If it's a discord server, then that is mega gay

>>18473549
you should see their fits its embarrassing

>>18472125
>a schizo ranting about the janitor
nono anon you're confused.
there is no schizo.
all those posts are the janitor and his friends copy and pasting one anon's posts from the archives to try to get you to dislike him.
the janitor fucking with the denim thread was proven in the 4chan hack. see pic.
learn how to use 4chanx or warosu.org to see deleted posts next time, newfag.

>Be 4chan janitor.
>60 hours a week deleting posts about denim.
>Posting bait threads every hour about denim, short guys and white guys.
>Special code to detect if they make their own denim threads.
You couldn't write fiction this schizo.

>>18473722
>>18472125
Pretty sure it was the janitor deleting all our posts, making it so we can't share images without a verified email, spamming our thread with a bot and constantly complaining about """the schizo""" that killed the denim thread.
Bait or mental retardation?

why do /fa/gs insist of selvedge? It looks mad gay and retarded.

>>18473839
How do you know if jeans are selvedge if they aren’t cuffed? I can’t, but I’m also an idiot with little to no knowledge of fabrics.

>>18473722
This exact same post replied to >>18472125 on Tuesday and now that original reply is missing from the thread. I know believe everything the schizo said about everything.

>>18473839
>it looks gay and retarded
god, just shut the fuck up already. you won't even know unless it's cuffed
selvedge is indistinguishable from regular denim. the only way you'd know it's selvedge is if it's cuffed and you see the selvedge line

>>18473842
it depends.
>sanforized
no way to tell if they're uncuffed.
>unsanforized
you can usually tell if jeans are unsanforized without a cuff and nearly all unsanforized jeans are selvedge.
if one of the legs twists around like this they're unsanforized. you can tell without the cuff. the direction of the twist and what leg it shows up depends on the direction of the twill weave of the particular jeans.
the crotch area will often times skew along with the leg twist, so a \ shaped fly is another sign.
some unsanforized jeans will not have the leg twist because they haven't been washed, and some manufacturers counter-skew their jeans to to counter the twist.
or if the denim has a hairy texture to it they're unsanforized. hard to explain but you'd know it if you've seen it. the jeans will reflect light less, look more matte and striking to the eye from a distance.
pretty much all unsanforized jeans are selvedge. other than a few exceptions like a niche fabric ih does and some vintage stuff like lee's old half selvedge.
oh and here's one more exception to the rule: a lot of vintage jeans without any visible selvedge id are selvedge. old western jeans tended to use a double felled outseam for comfort on the saddle + strength and nobody really cared about the selvedge id back then. so the jeans were selvedge and made on a shuttle loom but they just cut the self-edge of the fabric off and threw it in the trash or used it somewhere rolled up into a seam where it isn't visible.

this pic's a bit better, because with the faded jeans you can see how the leg twist would be obvious even if the jeans weren't cuffed.
ANOTHER exception i forgot. a lot of high end designer jeans copy the leg twist design motif so if you ever see stuff like symmetrical leg twists on both legs they're probably designer type stuff.

>>18473353
Here you go, a classic.

>>18473897
Those thighs are unhealthy.

>>18473897
thank you sir.
remember to size down 2! they'll stretch!

>>18473859
You just know bc it looks mad gay and retarded!!

>>18473549
We're not on Discord. It's gay.

wtf is wide fit?

why dont people just call their shit normal names and why the fuck do they not make bootcut

>>18474278
I didn't go to Harvard, but I think wide fit is a fit that is wider than regular fit. Hope this helps.

>>18474278
Wide fit is another marketing name for loose fit, which is above relaxed fit. And who are 'they'? Jews?

>>18474300
Slim fit
Tapered Fit
Wide fit

there is no regular. is wide regular?

>>18473859
>>18473842
see >>18474658, it just looks mad gay and retarded.

>>18474315
Straight Leg is regular. If you have bigger legs go for the Straight Taper. If you have skinnier legs go for the Slim Straight.

jeans are uncomfortable and dont look good. why would you willingly wear something like that?

>>18471632
You're a retard.

>>18473193
Invite?

>>18475977
Who are you?

>>18471579 (OP)
there really isnt such a thing as high end jeans i think in what you are seeking. expensive japanese jeans are just some faggy larp thing where manchildren get to dress up as greasers with huge stiff pants from the 1940s. just buy the most expensive pair at the mall and they will look normal and better than what is being shilled here. dont fall into that world it would be the worst mistake of your fashion life

>>18471601
why should i buy japanese jeans instead of the popular brands? i was planning to buy some levi's/lee/true religion jeans at the thrifting stores

>>18476514
Buy what you want

99% of the people buying "high end" denim are not working jobs that warrant the supposed higher durability they offer. And anyone who does work such a job is simply buying Wrangler's from Walmart, because what proper tradesman is buying fucking $200+ jeans?
In short, it's another one of those meme luxury products purchased by consoomers.

>>18473897
never heard of heat rash

>>18476514
>1.- Levi
NGMI

>>18476573
I like heavy jeans like my dad wore growing up

If it ain't double saddle stitched jeans, I ain't wearing it.

>>18476573
There is a huge difference between mall jeans and "high end" jeans. For one thing, the staple length of the cotton, which directly affects the feel of the denim, and it's durability (meaning you won't be buying jeans every 6 months - not that you are a carpenter). You do you, but it isn't just a meme.

You guys seem to know your jeans. Anyone know any jeans that have sort of a similar fit to Naked and Famous True Guy but with just a bit slimmer leg opening? These fit great everywhere but I just wish they weren't as wide at my ankles.

>>18476573
>99% of the people buying "high end" denim are not working jobs that warrant the supposed higher durability they offer.
If you're buying "high end" denim for durability you are retarded. For one, they are actually less durable, not more, most japanese repro brands use cotton thread instead of poly because it fades differently and is more authentic. And second, how much more durable could they be to be worth a 10x to 20x markup over a cheap pair of Rustlers or whatever, it's obviously never gonna be worth it. Expensive jeans are for fashion and yes jeans became a fashion piece decades ago when Hollywood made them popular, we're well past the "jeans are only for blue collar workers" debate by now.

>>18476721
>meaning you won't be buying jeans every 6 months
You won't be doing this with Wranglers or Lee's either, if you aren't a complete moron. This is such a stupid meme that people keep parroting to justify their dumb "luxury" purchases.

Idk what end they are but I buy all my jeans from APC and they are good

>>18476825
Is there any ways to make cotton stronger or did duck pants figure that out years ago? Like ways to spin the thread before its made into fabric and the likes?

>>18476972
I had to buy Levis every 6 months due to holes, but granted I didn't repair them. Levis are hard to find without spandex, and are very light. They aren't durable.

>>18478175
The problem is not the thread used to weave the fabric, but rather the thread used to sew the garment together. https://www.heddels.com/2014/11/know-your-thread-types-cotton-polyester-polycotton/

>>18478645
Sure they aren't exactly what they used to be, but are you rubbing your knee on gravel every day or something? If that's the case you should be buying double-knee work pants anyways.

>>18478655
This is the reason I hate repos. I like expensive jeans, but I am not going to buy jeans that are weaker than mall slop. I guess buying Iron Heart new on Ebay so you don't spend full price is your best bet if you want durability.

>>18478659
Idk how many steps I take a day, but it's a lot. Very active job. Holes always appear at the crotch after about 6 months just due to friction. I repair them now, though.

>>18478664
Fair nuff. Maybe I just have a wide thigh-gap or something. I live in a onions city where I also walk everywhere, but I haven't had this problem yet.

>>18478645
I burn through Tru Spec cargo pants roughly every year and its knees that burn out the most when installing cat5/fiber optic. My job is hardly physicals compared to most but every 6 months sounds about right for a proper trade job when it comes to pants. Truspec is roughly better than 5'11 pants but average in terms of actual military brands like crye precision or arcteryx.

If you want jeans that hold up a bit longer then be sure to buy the rugged wrangler jeans. Stronger than Levi's but slightly cheaper in cost.

How come all the Red Cast Heritage models look so bad? Certainly it can’t be the jeans, r-right?

>>18478691
Bad how?

>>18478693
Ugly, or the jeans look like they don’t fit

>>18478694
Do you have a particular picture in mind? They generally look fine, though obviously they don't wash the jeans which might change the fit, significantly if they're raw unwashed unsanforized jeans.

>>18478691
they size the jeans for their models like redditors because that's kinda their market.
if you throw 200 pairs of jeans at random onto the same guy and his build is anything other than saint laurent model rail thin at least half of them are going to look bad.
and IMO raw denim always looks weird/bad until its been worn at least a week because of how much jeans change shape to fit your body. obviously they don't do that for model pics. when a model just slaps jeans on really fast you don't get anything close to the same fit the jeans will actually have when you start wearing them. case in point i started a pair of 1 wash unsanforized jeans last month. when i got them the thigh was slim and the seat was tight. now the seat's regular and the thigh is relaxed. they look like completely different jeans. at first they looked awkward on me with a tucked shirt but now that they've molded to my body they look amazing.
i personally just look up fit pics on other websites with a japanese vpn to see what jeans look like the way i wear them. and i look on instagram. i don't like how almost all the western retailers do their fit pics.

>>18478691
id say the main reason every repro jean looks bad on red cast and self edge is because they size their models true to size. but if you go on sufu or asian message boards you'll quickly realize basically everyone wears them more like 1-3 sizes up.
all those retailers i've visited the employees are all skinny fit types who probably don't think about this stuff.

Any good selvage sales rn?

>>18478880
selvedge looks mad gay and retarded.

>>18479219
post fit with a timestamp blud

Clutch cafe and Son of a Stag do a much better job with their models, better than some fool stood in the alleyway out back

So funny looking at old posts in the Sufu thread about leepros where people are asking which pair is slimmest. The Pas is a different world lol

>>18471912
That 1000 dollar meme nippon jeans also use short cotton

>>18479437
>also use short cotton
wrong.
they tell you exactly what kind of cotton is used.

>$1000
more like $200-300. only slightly above the standard price ($150-200) for men's pants made in a first world country. and you're getting a bespoke fabric.
if that's a lot of money for you why are you even on a fashion forum?

>>18479398
remember to size down 2!! or they'll look like grandpa pants anon!

>>18479445
Lmao. Imagine walking around in nutcrusher 30s leepros

>>18479480
kek back then my main pair of jeans were some 30s repros sized up 4 sizes and painted on skin tight momotaros. no middle ground.

>>18479437
only really samurai because they want to do literally everything in japan and japan isn't the greatest weather for cotton growing.
otherwise when they use short staple its on purpose to give the denim a lumpy or neppy texture.
if you're happy with cheap jeans that aren't consistently sized, sewn well and the fabric has zero character then by all means.
for most people into fashion though, japanese denim prices are pretty normal for a pair of pants.

>>18472509
95% of the dudes on my job site are wearing levi's or wranglers and every single young mexican is wearing levi's skinny jeans if they work outside if they're inside they were joggers. Jeans aren't too hot for manual labor they were invented for manual labor.

If i wash my selvedge jeans once weekly and air dry like i normally do for my regular jeans will i get regular fading? Do i risk destroying my jeans?

>>18480142
Yes they will spontaneously combust if you wash them that much. Instead put them in the freezer and only wash them in the sea.

>>18480160
Got it so if i get enough salt water i need to get car batteries in the pool with it so i can recharge my jeans then?

>>18480163
Yeah, throw some healing crystals green tourmaline, rutilated quartz etc in there for good measure jeans need high vibrational reiki energy too

>>18479235
Post one good picture of selvedge so we see your taste.

>>18479890
i used to do roofs with a beaner cokehead who wore n&f skinnies every day lmao.

>>18480203
a pic in general? here's a solid one. or want me to go take a pic when the sun's out?

i like this silhouette from k-two a lot here's another different example. the oversized collar is a bit much for me but if it was thinner and spear point i'd be all over it.

here's about my ideal fit right now. i'm fading some western straight flare jeans from the 60's for the next year or so though. kinda fell in love with them so i'll be wearing the same jeans for a year.

>>18471579 (OP)
The only denim I got is from Edwin (Selvedge unwashed wide pants and washed jacket) and another jacket from rekrow. I just love them because they feel like quality, the colors are pretty nice and you don't have to wash them much

>>18472002
>no rivets
That makes them look cheap af. That's the kind of basic shit manufacturers skimp on to cut costs.

>>18480160
>only wash them in the sea

Yeah I too only brine wash jeans so they feel new for longer by preserving the crunch while getting better fades.

>>18483400
>>18480160
>>18480142
I only steam my jeans to clean. thats enough for me. They got muddy once and i used a bucket and detergent though

>>18471579 (OP)
Ok redpill incoming. They look like shit the first 200 times you wear them. The thicker heavier denim does more to break the jeans than make them durable and you will spend money in repairs. After dedicating non insignificant portion of your life to wearing the pants they will start to look and feel like a pair of jeans. Then you realize you can buy vintage jeans that already look/feel good as soon as you put them on and don’t have an iphone print on the front right pocket.

>>18483408
Well I see snd you call them steamed pants despite the fact that they're obviously grilled?

>>18483453
what a retarded opinion. Maybe the dumbest thing I've read this year.
>They look like shit the first 200 times you wear them
If you buy good ones they will look great the first time you wear them. Of course you have to be interested in denim and fabrics which goes without saying. Don't buy american. The US is a shithole and they don't know how to make good denim anymore.
>you will spend money in repairs
No you won't lol, it's super easy to repair jeans anybody can do it by hand and it looks better 99% of the time
>Then you realize you can buy vintage jeans
It's fine if you like other men's ass sweat or enjoy your food pre-digested. Anybody with an ounce of self-respect should keep vintage jeans for decoration only.
>iphone print on the front right pocket
At this point your just asking people to insult you. Anybody with a sufficient IQ wears their phone in their denim jacket as it's way more comfortable to walk around and makes it more accessible, especially with tight jeans

>>18483472
I love other men’s ass sweat. When’s the last time you had sex?

>>18483483
I've never had sex and certainly not with sweaty men

>>18483486
How does it feel knowing I clocked you as an incel just from your opinion on pants?

>>18483487
I'm not an incel I'm an aroace transwoman :)