What is the effay opinion on dead bird brand?

>>18475094 (OP)
made in china polyester shit. nothing like the good old stuff made in canada. literally owned by lululemon

>>18475094 (OP)
(used to be) good but very overpiced

>>18475223
I've seen no evidence it is or used to be good.
Every time I've been to an Arc'teryx, I left empty-handed and kind of surprised there wasn't one good thing worth buying in the store. Not one.

>>18475104
pretty much this, I didn't know lululemon own it tho.

>>18475104
They aren't owned by lululemon, even worse they are owned by some Chinese company.

That said I have an old Veilance jacket I still really like (made in the nation of Taiwan apparently). Wouldn't buy their shit today though.

>>18475094 (OP)
It's plastic.

>>18475094 (OP)
Everything they make is ugly polyester

>>18475241
Like 10-20 years ago, it was some of the more premium quality outdoors stuff. Not a lot of people were making ultralight vests back then.

It’s no better or worse than other outdoor brands. It’s all hype. I have a few beanies to trendmaxx, a decent raincoat, and a decent windbreaker, but that’s it. I would never buy anything else from them but their parkas are probably decent if overpriced.

>>18475094 (OP)
i was at REI yesterday and there was an arcteryx windbreaker for 500 dollars. 500 bucks for plastic made in asian sweatshops
they are laughing all the way to the bank scamming retards out of their money

I use to rock this shit before it became trendy.I still rock it because it looks dope and is functional as fuck.

>>18475775
>it looks dope
It looks terrible, everything they sell. It looks like a plastic sheet.

>>18475748
Rei is like 90% plastic bullshit

>>18475775
>it looks dope
Post a picture of this trash bag

>>18475775
> it looks dope
You’re paying for a logo dumbass

I had one in the 90s. The zipper eventually started to malfunction and the waterproof membrane inside peeled like sunburnt skin. I liked the thick cushioning of the backpack shoulder pads.

I saw a few people wearing these a few years ago. Only in pics online though. They're just north face jackets with a different logo and a much, much higher price. Not worth it. Anyone who spends that much on a jacket is stupid. Even billionaires don't wear that shit.

>>18475827
That's because that's what modern outdoor stuff is now.

>>18476051
I'm not paying wool and leather prices for plastic

>>18475241
I have a hand-me-down Atom that I love; it's super warm for the weight and very comfortable. It's older, but I don't really know exactly how old (definitely at least pre-pandemic)
my main concern with a lot of their stuff is durability; a lot of the stuff in the store feels so nice but I can't imagine it holding up outdoors
as far as it goes as a fashion brand, some stuff looks nice but it's overplayed and not nice enough looking for the price if you aren't trying to use it as actual outdoor gsxwmear

>>18475780
Clearly never tried it on.
>>18475877
Can’t afford it?
>>18475944
I’ve had a beta shell jacket for almost 10yrs and it’s still in perfect condition.keep buying shit,I recognize quality when I see it.

>>18476240
>Um you can't afford polyester and plastic
Kek

We really need to eject poors from upper-class hobbies

>>18476240
> I’ve had a beta shell jacket for almost 10yrs and it’s still in perfect condition
So is the North Face I bought 17 years ago. Your point?

>>18476725
Trudging around a rainy London or windy Chicago isn’t exactly an upper class hobby.

Unless you mean actual outdoors sports like skiing and mountaineering, in which case, LOL. Actual outdoorsmen don’t wear Arc’Teryx lol.

>>18476240
You're just not going to win this one. Arc'teryx looks like a fucking bag with holes cut into it, and that's true regardless of who wears it. It's trash.

>>18476790
Kek

I wfh for big tech and every conference I’ve gone to in the last few years is either sales/pm bros wearing chore coats and Rolexes or eng autists wearing arcteryx and Rolexes

>>18477084
It’s the same in finance kek. Nerds get some money and spend it LARPing as mountaineers and country gentlemen I guess.

>>18477084
Why does everybody wear fucking dive watches

>>18476790
but it says arc'teryx on it anon, and theyre like $1000

>>18477217
Big and bold. Besides everyone is suckling on rolex sales so if you cannot afford then the fork up the 50$ for the casio dive watch MDV106-1A that looks just as good and is more accurate at time keeping then a mechanical watch.

>>18478144
Ma'am I like a pilot better

>>18475104
This. Arc'Teryx is garbage.
Just buy Pata.

>>18475241
arcteryx's niche now days is its decently performing outdoors gear that look good enough to wear in the city. the target audience is guys who live in toronto and washington with tech jobs.
its not the brand it used to be since the chinese buyout.
you can get much better (but ugly) outdoors gear from cottage brands now days.
and if you need a major corporate brand, rab >>>>>> arcteryx.

>>18475983
north face is nowhere even close to arcteryx. arcteryx is actual serious gear, just overpriced gear. north face is built for suburban white women to walk from their car to starbucks.
north face's only products that compete are summit series, which isn't the stuff you're buying.

>>18476054
the fabrics they use cost wool and leather prices per yard and the jackets are very labor intense to make. not all synthetic is cheap, their jackets use some of the more expensive textile you can buy. the prices are a little inflated but not that much actually.
t. makes my own gear.

>>18475288
>>18475550
>>18475748
bro has never been outside.
all the gear at rei is corporate trash though.

>>18476790
the design elements that make a jacket perform well and the design elements that make a jacket look good are complete opposite. there's nothing you can do about it. your jacket might look cool but the hood's going to fly off your head from a mild wind gust.

>>18475944
if he bought it back in the day like he said, then he bought it for the tech. arcteryx used to be bleeding edge and back then it didn't have the delamination problems.
10 years is a GREAT run for a rain jacket.

>>18479690
pata makes a lot of fashion trash but also a lot of genuinely good gear. rab and pata are probably the only major brands i'd ever buy gear from.
https://www.garagegrowngear.com/ changed the game.

>>18477091
literally everyone wears rain jackets in those areas because of the weather. tech bro wears arcteryx, average joe wears north face. its only goofy when they do it in california.

>>18479690
>Patagonia isn't a bunch of polyester garbage

>>18475286
>Taiwan
>a "nation"

>>18475550
ugliness isn't the issue with polyester. polyester can look good.

>>18479735
I go outside in normal clothes

>>18475944
>the generic cheerios are as good as real cheerios

>>18475983
idiotic redditoid thinks high income = high level person
billionaires are weirdos and spergs

>>18476051
>cucks in real time to whatever the current status quo happens to be as set by companies of "authority"

>>18476054
best post in the entire thread. I'm not against plastics but there definitely times where the more premium material is wool or leather and they're just selling you $600 junk

>>18475094 (OP)
Their conveyor belt is my daily driver and it's a good/stylish belt, but I don't know if it's $50 good. I will say that in the 8ish months I've had it there's basically zero wear.

>>18479750
i mean thats chill if all you do is dayhikes in the summer or w/e fair weather. but this is a global board people could be anywhere.
where i'm at its unpredictable weather, cold, very high rainfall and a serious non meme mountain range (has a treeline) so you kinda do want to have the best most dialed in gear and things like how much it costs or how hard it is to learn the skills to make it start to matter a lot less when its about survival if shit doesn't go planned. typical weather is constant heavy rain at hypothermic temp. might sound gross to you but i love it. but yeah it means you kinda do want the best gear possible cause shit can go south fast if you get injured, lost, whatever unplanned circumstance especially solo even on the easier dayhikes. people die on shit they hike every weekend.
but yeah get what you need. use what you need. if you dayhike once in a while don't live somewhere with crazy weather you're not up in the mountains etc -- i'd get something stylish that you can wear around town too on rainy days and focus less on how crazy high performing it is as long as its dece and a windproof design. get double use out of it.
frogg toggs are S tier end game rain gear for everything on-trail (they rip easily) and theyre less than 30bux and sold at walmart. most popular thru hiker rain gear for a reason. not all the best shit's expensive.
i personally advocate against membrane / breathable rain gear because its horrible for the environment and wets through in heavy rain. i like nonbreathable rain gear like silpoly, bonded polypropylene etc and just relying on mechanical venting tailored into the jacket. they're not nearly as bad for the planet and imo work better.

>>18479762
brands like arcteryx are marked up their jackets should be more like 300-350. but everything in the fashion industry is marked up a lot and arcteryx is a fashion brand. if you go scroll things that cost $600 on ssense right now probably 95% of them cost less to make than an arcteryx jacket.

>>18480008
To me, it doesn't matter what it costs. It could be $5 and I still wouldn't wear the crap.

>>18479762
cottage brands (companies smaller than about 25 employees who make gear domestically in america/europe/wherever they sell it. most of them are 1-2 person ops.) have about 1/5th the markup as the standard 'non fast fashion' fashion industry markup.
and the gear's a lot better designed because its almost always made by some hiker who wanted a piece to exist.

>>18480010
if you were way out in the mountains freezing in a bivy would you throw the plastic jacket on or freeze to death?
don't ye olden times me, people died of exposure or simply didn't go the places we do now.

>>18480010
here i'll help you out: if you're one of those muh plastics people (i avoid it for the same reasons in my day-to-day clothing as well, except for outer-layers, for the exact same reasons you do! i don't think you're a schizo i agree with you about it.)
if you ever go somewhere the weather's too serious for waxed cotton then the next best thing is going to be silpoly like the jacket i posted earlier.
its just normal polyester without any weird ass chemical coating or pfas membrane, encapsulated in silicone. silicone is inert as fuck. it's not going to turn you gay.
it is still plastic waste when you dispose of it eventually = microplastics in your balls.
but hey its not one of those pfas membrane forever chemical jackets people literally buy to walk backyard trails and never decompose.
its about the same blight on the earth as some bitch buying two polyester pairs of pants off temu.
and the polyester's encapsulated so it doesn't touch your skin or clothes.
doesn't breathe.
timmermade megazip is the best design, copying it diy isn't much cheaper but if its sold out that might be the move.
waxed cotton just can't do that serious of stuff. at least i wouldn't count on it if weather turned.

>>18480014
I don't care about plastics. The clothes look terrible, all of it.

>>18480021
Is there anything from arc that isn't just plastic and ugly?

>>18479736
>>18479743
Just focus on the good gear.

>>18480340
I've not seen anything from them worth wearing. Just look at pic rel. It's a fucking joke.

>>18479690
>buy recycled plastic clothing
No thanks I think I'll buy pendleton that's made of wool and cotton.

>>18480562
Just focus on the good gear, stupid.

>>18480573
>recycled plastic
No thanks I don't want to wear literal trash

>>18480575
>poor, seething brown hands typed this

>>18480579
I'll just keep wearing my pendleton wool shirts and sweaters thanks

>>18480581
What about parkas?

>>18480603
Completely unnecessary in the lower 48. Average winter temperatures are not low enough in any state. It almost never goes below 0F anywhere and if it does it's like one day a year.

>>18480581
>southern hemisphere thirdie

>>18480857
The lower 48 don't get cold anon.

>>18479748
Correct, by any definition of a nation, Taiwan is a nation.

>>18475983
goretex is plastic anon.

>>18480873
>maine
libtard

>>18481407
It literally doesn't matter which lower 48 state you look at. Our average daytime temperature in winter is still going to be in the 20s which is not cold.