Recovering agp here, trying to find a style I like that is feminine and soft but still suitable for a male body. I'm having trouble with shapes especially. How would you dress me?

Start lifting weights

>>18477932 (OP)
I can see why you detrooned.

>>18477944
nah don't wanna look mssculine

>>18477949
>Recovering agp
>don't wanna look mssculine
ngmi

>>18477954
I just don't wanna troon out man

>>18477955
that's why you need to start producing testosterone by lifting to get that jewish mind poison out of your system

>>18477956
nigga I am producing testosterone that's the problem

>>18477957
if you were you wouldn't be wanting to troon out you absolute fruit

>>18477958
I literally just said I didn't want to

Pastel or light colored short sleeves button ups with an undershirt and some sort of necklace. The collar and square shape of most button ups ads a masculine feature, while the colors stay feminine. Experiment with the pants, khakis go with anything light colored but a light Grey pair of pants can work also but gives it a different tone. For shoes a good pair of loafers like Sperrys are a good balance of mas/fem.

>>18477993

The feet betray the true self.

>>18477932 (OP)
Just stop being gay and retarded why is this so hard for you

>>18477932 (OP)
wow incredible hair and this is coming from a cis dude

>>18477956
My brother in Christ, we are not going to solve the troon problem by denying any kind of spectrum of masculinity. That's what got us into this mess, people stopped allowing nuance and made everyone think if they weren't 100% traditionally masculine they must actually be a girl.
>You're a slightly effeminate man?
Nuh-uh you're actually a girl!
>You're a gay man?
Nuh-uh you're actually a girl!
>You want to be a femboy?
Nuh-uh you're a girl!
>You're an autistic man confused about your sexuality and/or the social ques around sexuality?
That's because you're a girl bro!

The list goes on and the resulting erasure been devastating for everyone. Please let our bro detransition and be an effeminate man. It's fine, normal in that effeminate men have been around since the dawn of time and serve their place, and it's 100xs better then him chemically castrating himself into suicide.

>>18477932 (OP)
It's a little cringe, but start looking at Korean men's styles. They are far more soft then the typical western styles and read more feminine due to their cultural skew.

>>18477932 (OP)
put on some more mass, eat more and do regular workouts while doing so

>>18477955
You can still lift weight and be a lithe femboy twink. I would highly recommend it

Start doing pushups, pull-ups, sit-ups and squats my man. You’ll be back to normal and looking good in just jeans and a black tee shirt with some brown leather boots.

>>18477932 (OP)
What the fl*p does recovering agp even mean?
>trying to find a style I like that is feminine and soft but still suitable for a male body
maybe stuff like this?

>>18477932 (OP)
>Recovering agp here

A Gay Pedo?

>>18478291
as far asI know agp stands for the fetish when men like to dress up as women to feel sexually stimulated but other than just describing crossdressing it's pseudoscience and already debunked
a gay pedo would be the average republican voter

>>18478265
This shit has been wild to me. Decades of pushing for looser gender roles and then the instant the troon thing hit the mainstream they did a total 180 into interpretations so rigid that somebody from the 19th century would think they were over the top.

>>18477932 (OP)
>recovering agp
>doesnt even have tits
>probably never on hrt
ywnb like us

>>18478185
what dis mean
>>18478320
You guys seem to be misinterpreting. I never transitioned. I'm recovering from the mindset and trying to deal with the dysphoria in healthy ways instead of pumping myself full of drugs knowing full well I'll still be a man. Just trying to cope with what I have.

>>18478333
how old are you?
you sound very similarly to me when I felt down and felt like my transition wasn't going well, I'm sure things will get better but you don't have to play pretend with agp buzzwords to cope with your gender dysphoria.
I suggest you wear andro clothing, maybe even buy from the women's section, and enbymode your way slowly into passing

>>18477932 (OP)
>>18478296
Being a kinky gay corssdresser is fine.
I would make love to you, not only fuck you but make love to you, if you'd wear a red skirt and maybe like cute leather sandals.

idk i really like high waisted pants of all kinds, be that womens baggy jeans, combat pants or just hollywood waists.

combat pants, baggy, especially ones with drawstring hem (which you wont close) and like a nice tanktop make a great little shirt big pants combo. slightly cropped tees also work really well but like the kind that metrosexuals wear, not like agp shit or foid stuff

>>18477932 (OP)
You look like me if I had a healthy body fat percentage and nice longer hair. What's your hair care routine?
I'd put you in cargo shorts, sneakers and black metal merch lol

>>18477932 (OP)

>>18478296
>it's pseudoscience and already debunked
says who?
you literally are a nonpassing agp hon.

>a gay pedo would be the average republican voter
you started a thread with a pedophile as the OP pic and you posted a 12 year old with a buttplug up his ass on /fa/ two weeks ago.
kill yourself rat faced liar.

>>18478296
Didn't you get banned for posting child porn a few weeks ago?

>>18478296
My brother in christ you're on the NCMEC database.

>>18477994
cool color scheme you got there bro

>>18478430
>you started a thread with a pedophile as the OP pic and you posted a 12 year old with a buttplug up his ass on /fa/ two weeks ago.
I have no idea what thread you're talking about, the only thread I started this year was the one with this OP picrel and I literally never posted a person with a buttplug I only post pictures of myself and I don't have buttplug pictures.
cope and seethe schizoid

>>18478432
I have no idea what you're talking about, the person you are talking about is likely banned
>>18478433
I don't live in the USA and I never went missing

>>18478538
NCMEC keeps a global database of people who upload cp to major web services.
>I have no idea what you're talking about, the person you are talking about is likely banned
your thread about calvin klein underwear a few weeks ago?
you posted child porn in it.

>>18478536
that doesn't suit your body at all. brown + non passing + pedophile yikes.

>>18478345
I'm not playing pretend. The dysphoria I think stems from regular male heterosexuality combined with rejectiin and loneliness so I make myself the objeft of desire but I'm disgusted by myself because I'm heterosexual. I like guys and their bodies sometimes but I'm unable to emotionally connect with them and my interests with them are only sexual. I can connect with women but as you can imagine being a weird wishywashy autogynephile always on the verge of trooning out means my relationships struggle. I'm 20 btw
>>18478357
Tanktop is a no I can't show that much skin I need my arms covered or I'll have intense dysphoria. Actually I need everything covered. I'd cover my face if I could.
>>18478362
I use maui moisture lightweight hydration + hibiscus water shampoo and conditioner about every 3 or 4 days, towel dry, nothing super complex

>>18478565
brother put the phone/computer down and touch some grass, quit eating processed food out of plastic containers and get your hormone levels checked then go to a men's health clinic if your t is below like 400-600. get the blood work at your usual doctor, then take it to a men's health clinic that will be less stingy about prescribing it and giving you a correct dose for your age.
you probably just have the testosterone of an elderly man because of modern environmental exposures. you're young enough to reverse that with slight medical intervention.

>>18478565
the troon you're talking to is a literal pedophile groomer who will shill you completely inverted advice that you will deeply regret later on in life if you take.
i'm telling you how to actually fix yourself. if you listen to me you will see and feel a massive difference in less than a year promise.

>>18478550
>your thread about calvin klein underwear a few weeks ago?
>you posted child porn in it.
ohhhh, I wasn't the OP of that thread! and I didn't post the one pic that got deleted! I don't own CP, sweetie.
>brown + non passing + pedophile
So I'm correct, you have no idea who I am.
Do you happen to be conservative, by chance?
>>18478565
then you do suffer from AGP in the sense that it's a kink where you like being the woman in a sexual context but have no dysphoria, in that case just accept your kink, women don't shame, and become an andro boy. Women are into golden retriever/soft boys anyway and they can peg you.
Transitioning is something about an identity and not about a kink, which is perfectly fine. You're also very young, I came out at 27.

>>18478567
I'll get my hormone levels checked before I do anything and I'm gonna do a psych eval and a lot of other shit before I even consider trooning out
>>18478571
>then you do suffer from AGP in the sense that it's a kink where you like being the woman in a sexual context but have no dysphoria
No I do have dysphoria horrible horrible dysphoria I feel disgusted in myself I hate my body if I could cover it up completely and it never be seen again I'd be happy. I feel like a woman wearing a man suit. I hate my height I hate my face I hate all of it. I shave my body hair the second it sprouts up. I clung onto my long hair and never even trimmed it from middleschool up until I was like 19 because it was my only claim to femininity and I didn't want it cut short again. I hate it I hate it all

>>18478572
>No I do have dysphoria horrible horrible dysphoria I feel disgusted in myself I hate my body if I could cover it up completely and it never be seen again I'd be happy.
So you don't have AGP, stop pretending it's a kink and slowly work your way to transitioning, maybe even get some people to help cover for the small things like laser hair removal for your face, it's important to start with that because your face can't be covered but you can shave your arms/legs whenever you need to anyway. As long as you keep using the word AGP you can't be considered genuine and too brainwormed to function.

>>18478576
It is AGP, you can have AGP and have dysphoria. The whole point is that my sexuality is oriented towards myself and therefore I'm disgusted by my body because I'm straight and don't like male bodies. I mostly only like men for how they make me feel feminine.

>>18478581
AGP is the kink where you get off to being the feminine (bottom) role in sexual fantasies, do you see yourself as the woman? the 4chan/internet usage of these words is 100% false, the AGP/HSTS dichotomy never existed, it was made up from the start. By definition AGP is HSTS and not the opposite, but it's pseudoscience to begin with.

OP, listen to this guy >>18477949
A masculine and defined body is attractive according to biology. Girls, except molestation and abuse victims don’t actually like feminine cosplay boys. A defined body with nice arms and a good chest shows who you naturally are beneath your clothing. Being skinny or fat and covering with fashion is nothing but living a lie and manipulation. So, if someone finds you attractive because of “drip” or “swag” do they like you or want to fuck the outfit? What next after your clothes come off?

Always try to be inherent. Be your best natural self. Fashion should accentuate that, not replace who you are. You’re supposed to wear outfits, not let it wear you.

>>18478604
I do not care I don't want a masculine body I don't care how attractive it is

looks like your a slim straight fit (bottoms) and skinny (top) kinda guy. maybe some short sleeve shirts used to show off your arms and accessories like bracelets, fancy belts.. eye catching colours are good.

just be yourself.

>>18478606
You want to live a lie. Maybe what you cling to is youth? Masculine doesn’t mean weathered and aged. It just means having inherent male features. You can look youthful and masculine. Think of a high school hunk all the girls liked. That is peak masculinity and youth at the same time.

Listen. I used to be a scene kid with a body like yours years ago. I had fluffy hair like a furry femboy. I wore extra skinny jeans showing anime legs. I even wore feminine oversized sweaters that draped over my ass. The thing is, I was told this was attractive by marketing and living in a feminine metropolitan area defined by artificial ideals. Take South Korea for example. Their beauty standards are completely against biology. Was I liked by other people looking like that? Yes. Was I liked by quality people with a straight head on their shoulders? Absolutely not. All it lead to was an unhealthy lifestyle, a bullshit rat race, and terrible relationships with people.

This is why I advice zoomers to never believe fashion and beauty trends on TikTok as all of it is fake and gay.

>>18478612
>Maybe what you cling to is youth?
No absolutely not, I rather be an old woman than a young man. It is femininity I cling onto.

>>18477932 (OP)
slim fit suits with a 3 button closure, narrow pants, and cuban heel zipper boots

>>18478565
>I need my arms covered or I'll have intense dysphoria.
Idk long sleeves, maybe compression tops? How do you survive this weather tho

>>18478674
simple, I don't

>>18478617
You told us you’re recovering from agp and de-trooning. Encouraging you to do the opposite is what people are trying to avoid and help you.

>>18478695
I just want to be as feminine as possible without transitioning

>>18478702
That’s practically a relapse. You don’t need fashion advice. You need professional help. Probably someone who can pick your brain for childhood trauma.

>>18478703
Working on it, I'm seeing my gp in about a month

>>18478702
>I just want to be as feminine as possible without transitioning
zoomers call that looksmaxing these days. its socially acceptable to wear light makeup as a guy these days. literally every actor on tv does it.
just be a twink bro. all this tranny shit is mind poison. its a trauma cycle cult where they're all unhappy and get off on making you unhappy like they are. telling you bro a lot of my friends who fell for that meme killed themselves i logged on an old discord account the other day and it was a graveyard of dead /mtfg/ anons.
its perfectly fine to be a twink brotha. don't let them tell you you can't be. we look really similar to each other except i'm more athletic. i exclusively date strapon mommy type girls. you don't even have to be a fag these days girls like that are surprisingly common.
the downsides to testosterone aging can be largely avoided until your 60s/70s with modern medicine its a skill issue if your skin ages poorly or you lose hair in this day and age. if you take care of yourself you don't need troon meds to stay andro as you age.

>>18478720
>Don’t fall for this meme bro
>Go for this other retarded meme instead bro

>>18478749
you're probably not going to talk him into going on trt and fixing his brain. that'd be the best outcome but let's be realistic.
i'm just telling him to try to accept and be comfortable with what he already is. if he troons out he'll probably be alone forever or in some tragic agp polycule since he's not into men. androgynous twinks on the other hand are niche but extremely high sexual market value with younger women at the moment. a lot of them pull hotter women than chads. if he listens to my advice he won't be a genetic dead end and epigenetics are real so if he fed his kids and their kids and so on won't inherit all the things he doesn't like about himself.
i'm giving him the best advice possible as a guy who went through the same things and looks pretty much exactly like him except i'm fit.
btw all you need to do to be swimming in pussy is get abs. doesn't matter if you're short they don't give a shit.

>but anon women are less into twinks as they age
who's trying to pick up 40yo women? by the time your girl's that old she should already be in love with you long ago.

>>18477932 (OP)
start working out and eating better. you can stay small and twinkish but you'll feel a lot better and probably get a girlfriend if you were skinnyfit instead of skinnyfat. picture you around the same size but instead of fat its muscle. that's what girls are into. right now you're going to mostly just attract old gay men who are into teenage boys.

>>18478762
I've said it a billion times I don't want to look masculine. Can't do muscles.

>>18478777
Instead of waiting on some grand revelation, which you definitely won’t find on this website, how about you start working on tackling the underlying issue. Recovering agp means that you have started to denounce the vile “contemporary” propaganda that you have indubitably been groomed into, that’s a good start, and the first steppingstone to a better life. Now all you need to do is start working out to get back into a masculine shape, instead of trying to look like a prepubescent boy. After that, a return to normalcy; Delete the tons of sissy hypno you have on your drive, avoid going to those grooming sites and involve yourself more with normal things. I’m sure you’ll be well and sound of mind soon if you do what I tell you

>>18477932 (OP)
Fellow AGP fetish sufferer here.

Although I've never had any inclination to dress like a girl or transition, outside of fapping sessions, I understand your pain.

As other anons said, try to emulate korean Kpop stars' style, characters like Astarion from Baldur's gate 3, that type of FABULOUS that is kinda crossing the line between gay and very avant gard, you know?

For specifics, I'd tell you to wear everything you want (colors, clothing articles, fabrics, etc) EXCEPT what is seen as female ONLY clothes. You will figure it out and find your style as you go along.


>Also as other anons said here, it's really sad that society (or mostly just wokezis) see gender very rigidly, like you can only be a macho military guy or a "trad wife" girl, or you are a Troon... When tomboys and soft sub men exist.

Not everyone is "black" or "white", we are mostly different shades of grey, and in fact, I'd think 100% macho or 100% girly people ("white" and "black") barely exist.

>>18477932 (OP)
you should definitely go to the gym. the way to pull this off to have a pretty, androgynous facial features combined with a somewhat masculine frame. also do lots of cardio and get a haircut, doesn't have to be short of course but hair that long combined with such androgynous looks may put you too far into troon they/them territory. you can achieve the ideal lean twink body type by lifting. right now you just look skinnyfat and it's not aesthetically ideal

You should wear stuff that you could fin in the male section (T-shirts with stripes or anything basic) but also in the women's section. Unisex and androgynous stuff

>>18478265
>>18478315
its because unintelligent agenda-pushers NEED everything to be black and white.

the LGBT agenda people need a united front and the Trad agenda people need a singular enemy to demonize

>>18478783
>Delete the tons of sissy hypno you have on your drive
I've been completely porn free for a month and a half and the dysphoria has only gotten worse

>>18478783
you just know this man has an entire folder labeled "Redpills" right next to his WMBF webm foldier.

>>18478777
you won't look masculine if you work out a little bit. twinks always think that but it's the most retarded meme and hamstrings you from ever being hot. if you do calisthenics and dumbbell exercises and don't go over about 20-30lbs you will NOT become mascline looking looking from working out. you'll just look hot instead of like a gayass alien. right now your body type is only attractive to older gay pedophile grandpas who want a little boy body.
i'm telling you to get toned not swole. stay the same size but try to make your body composition a bit less fat and more muscle. right now you look like a retarded gay alien and you could fix it easily. you'll be a lot happier and if i'm wrong you can just stop working out.
plus there's nothing feminine about your little chicken legs. you need to work out.

>>18479120
I could try but I very likely have arfid so my diet is fucked, haven't ate a single fruit/vegetable since like age 5

>>18477932 (OP)
Embrace 80s goth, hair band singers, and scene/emo.

>>18479134

>>18479135

>>18479137
You can play with more feminine patterns, shapes, and colors if black isn't your thing.

>>18479138

>>18479140
Like this piece is mostly intended for women, but would work for a certain build/personality regardless is styled right. You'll just have to play around. Hard to help without knowing your definition of "feminine."

>>18477932 (OP)
What is agp

>>18479132
aye just like my little sister. aren't shitty parents great? i don't have psychological problems with food but i have all kinds of digestive problems from growing up on a similar diet.
get a nutrition panel and at least start taking supplements. you're for sure vit d deficient.
learn about the gut health connection. anon who was talking about addressing underlying root causes of things was absolutely correct and your poor nutrition is likely a big contributing factor to your depression and general mental state whether you realize it or not.
eating a little kimchi/sauerkraut every day goes a long long way.

>>18478758
Women were never into twinks. Only mentally ill alt and nerd girls say they are because they themselves are fucked up from abuse. Attracting a girl at an anime convention or a goth SJW into Pokémon is like sifting through garbage. Even then, they say they like twinks but their biology says otherwise when a handsome man comes along.

>>18478757
High sexual value with younger women? Only the broken alt girls. A pretty white girl wearing shorts to show her legs isn’t into twinks.

>>18479185
spoken from zero experience.
stop reading so many incel websites and go out into the real world.
i don't even know how to approach women and i'm in my 30's because they always make the first move. the longest i've ever been single was about 3 months. the couple times i dated freaky girls who didn't care if i fucked other girls i'd have one over every week.

>>18479187
i only date upper class white girls with rich daddy's. i only dated an alt girl twice and they both got into heroin so i kinda avoid them.

>>18479187
>A pretty white girl wearing shorts to show her legs isn’t into twinks.
literally every asian girl on earth is.

>>18479191
You just proved my point. Most younger girls aren’t into Twinks. Only weird Y2K girls are into them, and those are the girls who were molested by their dads. The only girls into twinks are the weirdos in boba tea shops.

TikTok is not real life.

>>18479184
>get a nutrition panel and at least start taking supplements
I do take vitamins already but am worried it won't be enough for fitness. I have no idea what a kimchi or a sauerkraut is and it intimidates me
>Women were never into twinks
Currently seeing a lady who describes me as the most attractive person she's ever seen. She's just afraid of me trooning out

>>18479193
"weird y2k" girls didn't exist in my 20's dummy.
"women aren't into twinks" ummmm have you EVER been to the west coast before?
and opened your eyes?
those are the guys pulling the hottest girls. the gym bros are always with busted 40 year old soccer moms.

>>18479192
Asian girls who have been groomed from marketing or girls with autism. Maybe that’s why Asian girls like nerdy white men, the failed leftovers. Also, see the post referring to South Korea. An artificial people.

>>18479193
>TikTok is not real life.
i'm 38 years old. i don't even know what a tiktok is.

>>18479197
dunno what to tell you brotha i see twinks and tech/crypto bros with all the hotties here. and i see the "chads" with 40yo busted soccer mom female self improoovers and hella manly looking girls most of the time.

>>18479196
Okay fine. I’ll humor you and take a trip back in time.

>Fucked up hipster girls with tattoos who went to apartment partied to fuck everyone.
They became the HR cat ladies. Twee girls were shit. Fashionable though.
>Scene girl who was sold through marketing to find girly boys hot
And they jumped onto a new bandwagon, became raver sluts or strippers.
>The skater girl who lived with her dad
“I… I just don’t know anon. I need time to think.”

Sound familiar? Why didn’t you stick with any of these so-called young women? Because they were shit!

>>18479195
>I have no idea what a kimchi or a sauerkraut is and it intimidates me
fermented foods have probiotics which are good for your gut health. managing and improving your gut health will make foods you used to find unpalatable or hard to digest suddenly become edible.
kombucha works too. its the most expensive option by far but its just like a fruit drink that tastes mildly alcoholic.

>Currently seeing a lady who describes me as the most attractive person she's ever seen. She's just afraid of me trooning out
that's a sign bro. don't troon out. telling you that in the long run you'll regret it. don't listen to these groomers most of them rope in 10yrs.

>>18479198
Twinks and tech bros are the new male manipulators with e-girls running an onlyfans and coercing with ketamine. That’s not a flex.

>>18479199
anon are you mentally retarded/illiterate? i told you i don't date alt girls. i date upper class rich white girls.
>raver sluts
that was me in my 20s lol. fucked so many whores back when i was involved in the edm scene. never would date those types though. fuck no.

>Sound familiar?
no, not at all. did you even read my previous posts?
the most serious girlfriend i had was some rich heiress and i'm the one who fucked that one off being a man-whore not the other way around.

>>18479202
>male manipulators
dumbass redditor feminist language.
plus you're saying this while trying to literally groom this man onto life altering sex change hormones.
have some self awareness.

>>18479203
And now you're a grown man who lives with his mom

>>18479224
whatever fantasy you have to craft to justify being a loser.

>>18479233
That’s not the same person…

>>18479204
I’m telling him NOT to be a troon. Where did I encourage him to be one? I’m telling him to be a man and not fall for chronically online hype.

>>18479278
then why are you sperging on me for telling him to not take sex change hormones, fix his health and work out?

>>18478586
>explaining shit nobody gives one fuck about

Hey troon nobody cares about your made-up lore. You're weak men that are spoiled and surrounded by enablers. Eternal victims.
Just because you've been sitting comfy inside playing video games or brushing the polyester hair on your dolls doesn't make your D&D larp fantasy true, no matter how much rationalization you're coping with by constructing narratives.

The absolute state of troons is hilarious.
>Theysplaining to everybody that's not a complete carcrash mentally about nonsensical made-up things.

You're in the matrix, in fantasy land, and you don't want to wake up so with every living breath you take you want to impose your will and agenda on everyone else by pulling them into your fake fantasy world. Matter of fact is that you're stupid, socially maladjusted, mentally handicapped.

>>18479597
mwahnon's a severely mentally ill "person."
he was posting child porn on /fa/ a few weeks ago.

>>18479460
You’re getting posters mixed up.

>>18477932 (OP)
Ignore the raw milk jibber, embrace the SR path

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qiftiNjhfGQ

>>18477932 (OP)
Mexican here. Brother, you probably have a beautiful face which is meant to be masculine. There's (bizarrely) a lot of good advice in this thread. Listen to the wind, listen to good advice, listen to your body, and cut out of your life anyone who seems they could put an ideological agenda above your well-being as a human.

How do you “recover” from AGP? Asking for a friend ahaha. Sike! I’m actually asking for me. If I jerk off to trans porn one more time I’m gonna blow my head smoove off.

>>18478617
kys troon

>>18477932 (OP)
from the thumbnail i thought u were wearing albanian flag drawls

>>18477932 (OP)
What's up Dev you fag lol

>>18480587
He finally busted after years of edging

>>18477949
>nah don't wanna look mssculine
You won't magically turn into a body builder because you went to the gym once. It takes a lot of time and effort which you won't put in so you'll be fine.
You just need to go so that you can get a more normal body back and rebalance your t levels.

>>18479706
prove it

>>18477932 (OP)
you dont have the hips, ass, or legs to be feminine. its over for you, and it will only get worse as you get into your late 20s and hit 30s. dress like a hedi boy and cut your hair to your shoulders.

>>18478345
>>18479140
where do i find clothes like this???

>>18477932 (OP)
start going to the gym or you're a skinny cunt

>>18481363
Would rather kms than lose an inch of my hair. My only claim to femininity...

>>18477932 (OP)
>a style I like that is feminine and soft but still suitable for a male body.
This isn't a thing. You can't just wear a special shirt that will make you feminine and relieve your dysphoria without doing anything or risking anything, it's also not going to go away if you whip yourself enough times and say it's just a fetish, or have a pseud therapist tell you it's OCD and lobotomize you with SSRI's.
Nothing can fix you and no one can save you.
Enjoy~

You do NOT want to dress feminine if you’re recovering.

>>18477932 (OP)
You know you can just take estrogen and not socially transition, right?
Don't let smelly 500lbs 4chud neckbeards decide your future.

>>18481816
Recovering maybe isn't the right word. Repressing fits more I guess.
>>18481817
Too late, my body's fucked, it's been fucked for a long time, transition is out of the cards for me. I waited too long out of fear of rejection and disgust in myself. I have a beautiful lady up in canada who I love and she doesn't want me to transition.

>>18481821
>Lady up in Canada
A long distance relationship with a fucked up stranger who is probably non-binary or some other dumb shit.

You’ve been online too much. You’ve been groomed by strangers and internet hype/trends. Try to live a normal life. Figure out what has traumatized you in the past.

>>18481821
>my body's fucked, it's been fucked for a long time, transition is out of the cards for me.
Bitch please, what the fuck are you talking about? You are probably in the top 1% of transitioners as far as body goes.
Delusional brainwormed retard.

>>18481821
Maybe the word you're looking for is rehabilitating

>>18481826
I've been trying, I've looked at my past over and over, I think I have explanations for the tranny syndrome and yet the dysphoria only hurts more and more over time. I'll see my gp soon.
>>18481827
Are you blind do you not see my linebacker shoulders and tiny hips? My face is even worse believe me. Tiny man eyes, big manly nose and a gigachin. I'm cooked

god I'm so glad I stopped repressing years ago

>>18481839
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""linebacker shoulders"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""tiny"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" hips
Fine retard. Fucking repress. Fuck you.

>>18477932 (OP)
Dressing like a homo did it for me.
Even got a haircut and stopped calorie restricting so much.
>>18477944
>>18477954
>>18477956
Shit advice, will lead you str8 up to the Gymcel to Ogre-hon pipeline.

>>18481817
Nah I've seen people like OP before, It's complete binary, all or nothing. They will eventually pull the trigger, but flip flop and go on/off E every 6 weeks before giving up and going back to repping.

>>18482663
how to get op to accelerate this process?

>>18477949
Some muscle won't make you look masculine. You ever see female gymnasts or tomboys? They're not masculine. You have to go above and beyond to look masculine, like taking roids.

>>18478265
You're not wrong, but the problem is in his mind (obviously). "Nuh uh I don't wanna lift weights, muh masculinity! REEE LET ME BE AS MUCH OF A GIRL AS I CAN >:c "
Nigger, women should lift weights too.
Everyone should, physical exercise is incredibly important to health.
You know who ironically benefits from lifting weights the most? Elderly women. Imagine bitching at them "NOOO DON'T LIFT WEIGHTS GRANDMA YOU'LL TURN INTO THE TERMINATOR!"

>>18478565
>Tanktop is a no I can't show that much skin I need my arms covered or I'll have intense dysphoria.
It depends on where you live and your lifestyle/job, but ironically one of the most gender neutral outfit options these days is business wear. Long sleeve dress shirts can be pretty /fa/ depending on the rest of the outfit.

>>18478572
> I feel disgusted in myself I hate my body if I could cover it up completely and it never be seen again I'd be happy.
Last bit of advice I'll give you: you can feel disgusted with yourself and that you don't belong, as well as not feeling like a "man", whatever that means, without it meaning you're a woman in a man's body. LARP as an alien possessing a human body to see what I mean. If you were transferred to a gorilla you would probably feel uncomfortable too. That doesn't mean you're actually a female gorilla underneath wearing a male gorilla bodysuit.
You're stuck in the binary of "male-female" when really it's just "you". You will always be "you" no matter what you look like. The dysphoria won't go away if you look female because it's not masculinity you're rejecting, it's yourself. And you will follow you wherever you go.

>>18480587
Recovering from AGP is no different than recovering from any other undesired sexual fetish. Don't encourage it mentally with thoughts, and especially don't masturbate to it.
When fed it grows larger, and when starved it grows smaller even if it never disappears (though for many people it does).
Also try a round of anti-parasitics because for some reason a lot of degenerate fetishes are tied to the person being infected with something without them realizing.

>>18481839
Not to heap salt on the wounds but the biggest yikes from me were your feet.

>>18477932 (OP)
You're not not here for fashion advice but rather to be talked out of something that you clearly want. This isn't a good place for you because /fa/ggots here absolutely can't empathize with you (or really anyone, they just aren't very emphatic or kind people).
All they can do is imagine themselves taking HRT, and naturally this fills them with horrific dread because they don't have gender dysphoria (unlike you). As a result, they get very emotional and aggressive and *waves at the most of the thread*.
Talking to those people about gender dysphoria and transition is like trying to play tennis with someone who immediately starts shoving the racket into their ass instead of playing properly.
I suggest you discuss those feelings on /lgbt/ instead. It also is a cesspool just like this place, but at least you might get more sincere and useful replies there
t. male-presenting guy who is taking hrt and didn't "troon out" socially

>>18482767
I waaaaas here for fashion advice but it devolved instantly.
>>18479143
>>18478289
These are like the only two replies that actually gave me what I was looking for

>>18481839
I'm a female human who's struggled with dysphoria and fashion expression. Where I've found peace is with adding a "twist" to my outfits.

Start by sorting out your closet; what clothes feel amazing on your body without looking at yourself in the mirror? Pay attention to the textile feed back; what fabrics and cut (tight, loose, so on) feels most relaxing / most easy to exist in.
Okay, now put that all into one pile and try to objectively see if there are other patterns. Don't think about style; just comfort to be in. Now just wear that pile for 2 weeks. Try not to look in the mirror; just focus on the idea of clothes being their to support your physical comfort. After that then look back in the mirror and ask this; "What are either the one, or two adjusts I can make to visually make this visually appealing?"

I found peace by not assoicating my identity with my clothes choices; I stopped expecting my reflection to create inner peace and I broke the cycle of expecting the mirror to tell me if I should feel happy or sad when I get up in the morning.

>>18483129
Just to add on; where I ended up falling is more long hems and loose fitting pieces; most of my clothes are very normcore-ish denims, sweatshirt-knits, linen. I ended up realizing that I liked "girly" accessories; something about a cute handbag felt good, but a cute t-shirt felt not right. It's about putting body-comfort first and then fiddling with the "fashion volume" after you already feel cozy and have re-prioritized the purpose of clothes first.

If you make clothes serve the function of practicality and comfort first, it then helps to create the "fashion distance" to clear your mind of confusion. It's this confusion of feeling the clothes are suppose to mean everything and say everything about you that is causing a lot of problems. Once you take back control and say "pants are just pants" for a while then you can looks back on everything and use that as an objective measure to help guide you.

>>18483129
Really all that I like to wear are baggy plain cotton long sleeved shirts and pajama pants, most everything else irritates me in some way. I didn't even wear jeans because of how they felt on me for many years and only recently got a few pairs for my work uniform, which I never wear otherwise. I also figured, that since I have nothing I'd actually like to wear, there's no point in getting anything more than that. I got quite a bit of cheap fast fashion women's clothes but since I figured I'd never be able to wear it outside I mostly only got sexualized dresses and lingerie because it's cheaper and easier to hide a skimpy lingerie set than a big thick baggy sweater.

>>18483137
Also probably should've posted this 134 replies ago but here's examples of the type of fashion I'd like to wear if only I had the body to.

>>18483137
Okay, so the baggy plain cotton long sleeved shirts can work from home or in public, so really the focus for items you need to buy are pants that feel like pajamas but "pass" as pants visually.

You've very lucky right now, because there are a lot of men's pants being made and sold right now with drawstring and elastic waist bands in softer materials. Another option on the secondhand market might be old, soft Chinos one or two sizes larger, worn with a belt.

Most professionals tend to advise getting rid of the old clothes, and if you are doing to do that I would reccomend taking a moment to see if there were any non-gendered elements about the garments that you did like; such as if any of the colors made you smile or generally complimented your complexion well. Maybe there's a certain print motfi or something also that you accidently discovered just generally looks good. The reason I advise this is that it's important to never deny in your head all the stages / evolutions you've gone through in life.

The people with the "best" style integrate what works best now with touches throughout their life history. My family use to live in Hawaii, so my dad made a point to keep his one favorite shirt after we moved to the mainland, because those shirts aren't really worn over here except the weekends, but that one print/pattern really speaks/references/acknowledges some aspect of my dad that is not him currently, but who he has been over the course of his life.

>>18483140

I tried to isolate elements that either fall into a loose category, or things that are pretty unisex. I think you might want to look more into the 1960s and 1970s for styling inspiration. You can takes the color combinations and stuff from a certain style era without having to wear it in the same cut/fit as people in that time period would use it.

I almost want to translate the black tights as you like it when black bottoms are a bit more tailored, while with denim and corduroy you like a loose / casual fit.
I really think you can wear an "autumn rainbow" pull over sweater with faded denim not matter what; if you break the idea down that far it's not dependent on gender presentation.

I think you might also look at dark academy, not to directly copy but to just see if the vibes speak to you. I also think florals in browns / monochromes can work, but nothing with too many contrasting colors.

That last outfit I circled is really unisex and I think it would be a good template to use. The key I think is to try to pull out the rawest parts away from the gendered elements; it's a really cohesive collection of images that shares a lot of themes image to image.

To be honest, I half-expected your image board would be more chaotic, but it's pretty consistent through and through.

>>18483162
Thank you for actually putting effort in to your reply and not just telling me to take steroids or something holy shit. Yes I love all things 70's, fashion, music, movies. Earthy, modest colors I love also. Dark academia I quite like but considered myself more mori kei. My problem is mostly finding clothes in these styles that work for my body. I tried looking on depop (picrel) and found things I like but wouldn't work right on me and that's what inspired me to make this thread in the first place.

>>18477932 (OP)
First I wanna say your hair looks really good. Shape wise there is a ton of advice out there but after experimenting I find that none of them are very relevant on their own. You need to experiment and see what you like on your own. I've got large shoulders and I've heard a lot that you should avoid tops that emphasize shoulders like puffed or padded shoulders but it's not that big of a deal. In the end I kinda like wearing tops with a large top opening and I'm not a fan of small openings or turtlenecks but I still wear them in the winter. For the bottom (shape wise) I'd go for a wide leg pair of pants, because that's the only thing with volume you get access to as a guy.
Before transitionning I used to gravitate towards fits like pic related. Also some accessories like rings, chains ...
I recommend thrifting a lot of different things if you can, selling what you don't end up wearing so you can try as much things as you can and see what works and what doesn't. Don't invest too much in clothes yet.

>>18483228
so yeah no big advice sorry except looking up body shape theory (still useful) and maybe someday looking up what being trans means because there are lots of misconceptions out there (also when it comes to self sexualising yourself) though I KNOW you don't want to hear about this and anyway you're the only one who can open the door etc ...

Ignore the femboy groomers, OP.

>>18483167
You're welcome!
I think you'll have better luck finding clothes in these materials, patterns and colors on eBay. There's nothing wrong with depop, but it's a site where people tend to list "trendy niche" or "trendy mainstream" fashion stuff. What I think you want instead is secondhand vintage, which is mostly all on eBay.

The "trick" with eBay is spending a bit of time cultivating an understanding of what search terms really dredge-up the stuff you are looking for; the site has way more inventory then depop, but because of that you need to practice how to narrow-down the search terms in ways that aren't tied to trendy terminology.

Meaning, a ton of boomers list high-quality vintage items made out of brown corduroy, but they have no idea what Mori Kei or Dark Academia is. Instead they list it by the brand, the general shape/cut and the fabric type for the most part. eBay has a really advanced filter system that helps narrow down things automatically too. The key is once you tweak the filters exactly how you want them, you need to then save that configuration as a "saved search" and then in the future you can go to your "saved searchs" in the drop down everyday and just check if anyone listed anything new. As an example, one of my saved searches is this combination of search terms and filters applied;

>Eddie Bauer, Dress, Skirt, 100% Cotton, 100% linen, 100% hemp, used, US only

The US only is to filter-out sellers not in my country. It's not that I wouldn't buy something internationally, but secondhand Eddie Bauer within the US is priced cheaper then it is internationally where the brand is seen more as an "import". It's kinda like jFashion; sites like Closet Child sell japanese street fashion for cheap, but if you buy jfashion from US sellers it costs more because it's rarer.

>>18483228
This fit is a really good example of clean, flowy unisex fashion. What I like is how the clothes aren't gendered; I think a healthy way to deal with any "middle period" in life is to ease-off strong messaging with your clothing style and to really embrace things that just feel good.

That t-shirt's crisp-clean color looks very put together, but it's still an unstructured, soft garment.
The pants are great with how the pleats create a sense of "intention" with dressing, but then the fabric sort of pools a bit on the bottom in a really cozy way. It's overall a good mix of confident, relaxed, but "proper".