Picrel looks way more dignified.

niggas in their late teens and early twenties are pulling up norwood 6

>>18480191 (OP)
the sample sizes weren't huge and i never looked super far into the methodology because of that but there's been a couple studies that suggest widows peaks might be > perfect hairline in terms of attractiveness to women.
its something you see a lot in male models and actors that are considered very handsome so its probably true.
once it starts it doesn't stop but if you just get hair loss in the temples and nowhere else and you dont have a super soft face i agree EMBRACE and do nothing about it is the meta.

>>18480196
yeah how fast it goes is a big factor. the stuff we're seeing these days ain't normal.

been that way for decades. people didn't scream about norwood as aggressively back then because there weren't telemed companies trying to shill you on 5AR inhibitor prescriptions but the politics around hair loss were similar, just less frantic

>>18480191 (OP)
the other thing too is guys used to take their shit seriously and style their hair every, and guys who are considered attractive today do as well. but a lot of average joe / background noise men now days literally do nothing to their hair.

>>18480351
yeah instead they learned to style it and make it look good op pic with the oil pomade or w/e slickback being a great example.

>>18480349
yes, it really isn't. i know dudes who are norwood 5 in their twenties while their fathers has norwood 1 in their 50s and 60s.

Something is wrong somewhere.

>>18480361
the more i look into it, its like death by a thousand cuts. processed food and additives. hair products. microplastics. just scratching the surface.
it's ultimately unchecked capitalism/greed and the fact there aren't actually functioning authorities to protect the public from a lot of this stuff. the ruling class aren't of the people and have no reason to give a shit etc.

>>18480361
>>18480366
yeah what's wrong is that you're looking at the wrong parent, MPB comes from your mom's side but please do ban light bulbs and straws, that will totally change your parentage

>>18480366
yeah man it is fucked
also young men are more isolated than ever so they spend days indoor therefor vitamin d deficiency is very prevalent.

>>18480371
>this cope again
i know at least 2 dudes who are balding even though they are safe on both sides. i'll try observe more to test this heckin science theory.

>>18480371
i'm >>18480366 i'm not the guy who said father i know its maternal grandfather who you inherit closest to.

>>18480382
its maternal grandpa he's right. and epigenetic. and environmental (this includes stuff like encasing your balls in polyester) and diet. and a bunch of other things. i think all the other things are becoming bigger factors and epigenetics are fucked from our post 1980s processed food diets.

the good thing is you can acutely shelter your own family from it and pass down better genes bc epigenetics. drink well water or get a filter don't feed your kids processed foods out of plastic containers and all the other various dietary things fucking modern 1st world people rn. don't let them wear synthetics unless theyre doing a sports activity. etc. even if you don't identify every source of it you can cut out a lot of the big ones.
the bad thing is the effect it has on greater society because most will not.

>>18480385
then why my mates are going bald even though their maternal uncles and granddad aren't bald?

scientific community is filled with demons. they'll work for whoever will pay them more. they won't admit the utterly fucked condition of processed foods and even organic food is fucked due to pesticides.

>>18480388
>scientific community is filled with demons.
highly agree.
how to look up the money your doctor is receiving from big pharma (not counting what's under the table!)
https://openpaymentsdata.cms.gov/
60%+ take bribe money openly. just your local family doctor. not even researchers.
i would argue that the collective evil jews bring into the world creates a moral obligation to solve the problem

>then why my mates are going bald even though their maternal uncles and granddad aren't bald?
my theory is epigenetics + all kinds of environmental exposures adding up. i audited my own life and found all kinds of endocrine disrupting or pore clogging/irritating shit i was consuming, washing/styling my hair with etc.

>>18480393
>my theory is epigenetics + all kinds of environmental exposures adding up.
Yeah, they eat a lot of slop and dress in sports wear and never leave their apartments.

>i audited my own life and found all kinds of endocrine disrupting or pore clogging/irritating shit i was consuming, washing/styling my hair with etc.
Shit

What is your general advice?

>>18480385
>its maternal grandpa
This is bullshit. My maternal grandpa still had a full head of hair when he was literally dying in his 80s, meanwhile I have the exact same pattern of early frontal recession with no balding anywhere else as my paternal grandpa.

>>18480349
>>18480196
It's totally normal you neurotic sissies. You're only exposed to the most narcissistic men who all get transplants from youtube/tiktok/television/hollywood and you've convinced yourselves that 95% of men having no recession at all into their 50s is normal. It really isn't unless you're native American/brown latino or maybe black. The psychotic insecurity that modern men have about their appearances nowadays is just sad (and most of them won't get laid either way so it's all for nothing)

>>18480398
yeah that's why i'm saying i don't think its JUST genetics these days. there's other shit doing it to us too.

>>18480413
i'm about 40 years old and don't use social media, watch movies, or consume much media. my maternal grandpa's close to 100 with a full thick head of hair, still alive. my dad didn't get any thinning until 60s-70s. i don't have male pattern baldness but i do have autoimmune hair loss and sebderm, not a typical case. diagnosed etc. i'm not surprised at all i have hair loss because i have underlying health problems and cranial injuries that can cause or make you more prone to get it.
but i do have eyes and notice the world around me.

>>18480415
nta but you're on 4chan, which is the same thing as tiktok as far as this stuff is concerned, you're sperging over norwoods all day instead of touching grass. ironically if you DID watch movies you'd probably be less maladjusted

>>18480417
brother i've been on 4chan since before it started when it was a clique from the anime subforum of somethingawful.

>instead of touching grass.
brother i'm into mountaineering and long distance backpacking and i live in a mountain range i have touched a lot more grass in my life than you.

>ironically if you DID watch movies you'd probably be less maladjusted
brother you are in two threads now trying to shill against people looking into the side effects from the chemical additives in hair products.
you start posting at 9-10am est 5 days a week on a schedule.
are you some kind of paid shill?

>>18480415
>yeah that's why i'm saying i don't think its JUST genetics these days. there's other shit doing it to us too.
When I mean exact same pattern, I mean that he had a relatively rare pattern of balding (frontal recession only, but the middle of the hairline also moved back early along with the peaks; no thinning anywhere, just receding) and I have the exact same thing. I even started balding at the same age as him.

>>18480423
>arguing with ghosts from the 10 other tabs he has open
actual schizophrenia, god help you if you discover chatGPT

>>18480442
blud you just spent an hour arguing that anons shouldn't be aware of these things:

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>>18480191 (OP)
What are you talking about, he looks like a serial killer or an alcoholic.

>>18480448
more schizo sperging at ghosts

>18480507
Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

For me it's the bald ponytail

>>18480518
I think you can counter this with some Test Prop 500mg. You'll convert plenty of this into dht.

>>18480554
it needs further research because yeah i agree with the spirit of your post there could be future medical intervention around the sexual/physiological side effects. i don't see why not.
right now people should take it being weary with the potential risks in mind.

>>18480415
>I'm 40 years old
>I have a diagnosed disorder which is scientifically different from androgenic alopecia and so my scenario isn't even related to most people in this thread or men in general, but that qualifies me to make sweeping claims about medical trends because I feel like I'm correct or something

>>18480588
Just use it topically and cycle off for a day or two every few months to counteract the systemic buildup.

>>18480191 (OP)
>>18480195
looks freaky ass fuck even with that old ass resolution

>>18480343
looks like shit, he's just in great shape, famous, and has a recognizable face.

>>18480393
looks like a pedo, oh he is a pedo there's epstein

>>18480548
this does not work unless you're mexican or something

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).

>18480624
>I have a diagnosed disorder which is scientifically different from androgenic alopecia
>but that qualifies me
does a doctor need to have a broken leg in order to wrap a cast?

>because I feel like I'm correct or something
you're welcome to refute my statements with evidence if you'd like.
if you know better than me, you're welcome to demonstrate it my low iq shill friend.

>sweeping claims
side effects over 1% incidence are considered common anon.

>>18480631
topically skips the liver its higher risk than oral.

>>18480648
Mate nta but you literally took fin to treat balding that wasn't androgenic alopecia. You're clearly quite retarded.

>>18480651
i have androgenic alopecia and have been on fin for a long time for it.
THEN i got sebderm.
my low iq friend.

>>18480654
>i don't have male pattern baldness but i do have autoimmune hair loss and sebderm

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).

>18480656
yes i have aa, te, sebderm. i also have a dermatologist.
it bears no relevancy to the conversation. if you believe my claims about the health risks of ketoconazole or finasteride are inaccurate, you are welcome to refute them with evidence my genuinely low iq friend.

>>18480662
>yes i have aa, te, sebderm. i also have a dermatologist.
>I have androgenic alopecia
>I don't have male pattern baldness
lmao

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment.
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

New research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).

>18480665
that's cool wanna try disproving the health risks with some kind of evidence though?
we're talking about that not me (who mogs you, hideous troon) right now.

>>18480691
Thanks for conceding that you are indeed retarded.
Onto the main topic. How much did your dick shrink? I've been using fin for four years and I happen to know my exact dick size before I started taking fin was 7.1 inch length and 5.1 inch girth. It's exactly the same now.

hey anon are you that weird guy who's spent 14 hours sperging about people sharing accurate medical information about the health risks of finasteride and ketoconazole?
what kind of job do you have that gives you the free time to do that 5 nights a week right in the middle of the work day?

6.5->6 length with an increase in girth. but i know multiple anons that cope'd and rope'd from fin side effects because their dick stopped working. you can get it just from trying fin and going immediately off it, and it can't be reversed once it happens.
you shouldn't be calling medical side effects that are considered common >1% incidence "rare" or "freak incidents"
there is a clear medical definition for what is a common side effect and losing permanent function of your penis is one of them.

>>18480709
Literally just don't take it if you're a low test high estrogen high prolactin individual. Get some tests done before you take it. It's that easy.

>>18480711
why are you shilling it without telling people to do that?
what kind of job do you have that gives you the free time to do that all day long 5 nights a week right in the middle of the work day?
why do you do that?
it's your job to shill harmful medical advice.
go kill yourself.

>>18480713
This is literally the first time in my life I mentioned finasteride on /fa/. You're clearly a paranoid schizophrenic, which would explain your obsession.

>>18480191 (OP)
I think humans are genetically hardwired to look at someones hair and subconsciously judge their health and fertility.
In my opinion shaving it off sort of tricks the brain instead of giving it something to focus on when you have a balding look.

When someone has crazy hair, haircut, whatever, it's usually the first thing we notice. Either fix it if you can afford it and are ok with risks or let it go. Don't stay in between.

>>18480718
anon you're clearly the same person. you do the same thing every time. "this is literally my first time posting you clearly are a schizophrenic!!!"

lol its the same thing they used to do in the soviet union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia
"Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue."
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.
not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.

>>18480718
This guy thinks he is speaking to the same person in every thread. Just by saying this shit triggers him.
I wonder what he looks like....

>>18480727
Going by your logic, you're the exact same person as every other schizo on the site.
>you are all the same person and it you say you aren't, it proves you are!
Literally every single paranoid schizophrenic who posts on 4chan does this shit.

>>18480732
>I wonder what he looks like....
fit, same frame as alexander volkanovski if you made him an inch taller and his shoulder an inch wider, great hairline for my late 30's >>18480601 >>18480583 >>18479955

>>18480737
anon you're the "schizo schizo"
here's a tip for not sticking out like a sore thumb next time: only redditors, leftists and troons say "schizo"
it's not normal vernacular people use.
only deranged troons.

>>18480366
>I'm losing my hair because of capitalism

How does one get to this point of cringe?

>>18480738
>anon you're the "schizo schizo"
Indeed I would be if I seriously claimed that you and every other schizo on the site is a single person. But I don't do that because unlike you, I don't suffer from paranoid schizophrenia.

>>18480738
>>18480601
Lmao it literally looks like the virgin wojak.

>>18480738
>eftists and troons say "schizo"
it's not normal vernacular people use

Pretty common on /vm/ /vg/. We had a shizo Wraith player, are you the same guy?

>18480739
imagine shilling for capitalism and big pharma in 2025.

>18480741
anon....
hate to break it to you man...
you're the schizo who's melting down over accurate information about the common side effects of finasteride and ketoconazole being shared.

>>18480745
All I did was call you out for being retarded when you said you have aga but not mpb and then called out people who don't get blood tests done before taking fin for also being retarded.
You proceeded to have a meltdown, claiming I'm some sort of shadow nemesis of yours that stalks these halls and shoots arrow dipped in finasteride at you from the shadows.

"Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue."
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.
not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.

>18480742
most people who've trained combat sports before don't stand with their knees locked. i can stand with good posture if i wanna. i do need to do more yoga for sure.

>18480750
i'm just not trying to overexplain my irregular hair loss every post because its off topic.
you have no ability to refute the medical evidence that finasteride can cause permanent penile shrinkage, permanent ed and permanent loss of sexual function. there are countless reports of all 3 online from even people who just tried the meds and went off right away. it's not hard to find them.
the focus of the conversation isn't on me. anyone can present evidence and the evidence's value is on the merit not who said it. this is common sense.

>>18480754
>i'm just not trying to overexplain my irregular hair loss every post because its off topic.
Aga literally is mpb lmao.
>you have no ability to refute the medical evidence that finasteride can cause permanent penile shrinkage, permanent ed and permanent loss of sexual function
I literally never even denied it. My claim was twofold:
1)You are retarded because you claim to have aga but not mpb.
2)People who take fin without getting their hormone levels tested are retarded.
You thought I was claiming finasteride cannot cause permanent sexual sides because you suffer from schizophrenia and were labouring under the delusion that I'm some sort of capeshit villain who you're destined to fight forever in order to save people's dicks or some shit.

>>18480644
>this does not work unless you're mexican or something
You have to either be an aging white hippie or an aging white gun nut. Both are applicable for the bald ponytail.

Finasteride + Dutasteride side effects are PERMANENT and IRREVERSIBLE in 1/3 of cases. sometimes even from just trying it. Around 1-2% of men get sexual side effects. This means it is a common side effect. Sexual side effects can sometimes go away, but sometimes persist forever after cessation.
Fin/Dut can make your dick shrink.
Fin/Dut can make your dick stop working.
Fin/Dut can make you lose all sexual or romantic desire
Fin/Dut works by inhibiting enzyme 5α-reductase from producing GABAa, leading to:
anhedonia (lack of pleasure)
depression
suicidal thoughts
SYMPTOMS PERSIST PERMANENTLY AFTER CESSATION IN 1/3 OF CASES.

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>Studies have found penile shrinkage and other sexual dysfunctions to be a side effect of finasteride and dutasteride, common anti-baldness medications.
>Control groups that received dutasteride (C + D) or finasteride (C + F) showed a reduced cross-sectional penile area (39.4% and 40.1%, respectively) compared to Group C.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6116690/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.
not something to handwave, conceal or dismiss.

Yikes the unemployed white boi is amazing his schizo shit again

>>18481311
peer reviewed medical studies aren't "schizo shit" just because they are above your low iq indian brain's understanding, good sir.

>>18481312
All your dumb trash got deleted yesterday it will happen again in a couple of minutes kek, imagine just imagine wasting your life like this just to be good to fuck off by literally everyone. Imagine that here, among the lowest of the low you are still a loser

>>18481313
>dumb trash
anon i am sharing accurate medical information on the hardcore, COMMON side effects of fin and dut which are permanent in 1/3 of cases.
you are a literal rat demon from hell who shills harmful medical advice and hurts people.
you need to get a real job or kill yourself.
you're low iq and you produce nothing of value. you make your living hurting people. you're a psychopathic monster.

>white people are bad because they say my race is morally corrupt and low iq muh nazi muh nazi
>is morally corrupt and low iq
what did he think he was proving with this?

>>18481314
Yeah, bud, we got it. We got it the last few times you posted it. You can stop, now.

>>18481314
You lost you stuff will get deleted and yes we will still shilling Spiro everywhere :3

>>18481317
hey blud you can stop spamming the denim thread and shilling incorrect medical advice in the balding thread.
i have a feeling the posts about the side effects of finasteride would stop if you left my warnings in the OP post including that the side effects are permanent in 1 in 3 cases and if you stopped lying to people about hardcore common side effects from medication.
you are shilling medicine that causes people permanent suicidal thoughts, permanent depression, permanent infertility, permanent penis shrinkage, permanent loss of erections, permanent loss of all pleasure, and permanent loss of romantic/sexual interest and telling people it's totally safe and has no side effects.
not only are you a morally corrupt brown shitskin monster.
but you're low iq, play doctor on the internet and have zero education.
you're a midwitted narcissist psychopath who spends all day harming people.
are you SURPRISED we hate you?

>>18481321
Didn't ask for a yappuccino lil bro

this is the same poster that sperged in the "libtards using canes" thread last month, pretty sure it's a bot, it posts way too fast for a human

>>18481318
how are nazis "the bad guys"
if you're a living example of how brown people and jewish people are morally bankrupt, low iq and willing to harm others while pathologically lying about their group behavior to play victim like a bunch of cry-bullies?
not making sense bub.
i think i'll keep turning hundreds of anons away from fin every day and make more threads that bump limit on other boards. it's pretty funny watching you lose it knowing there's nothing you can do to stop me. cry to your janny friend all you want the posts will just show up again. the threads and board will get slower and slower. i'm already 60% of the posts per day.

>>18481326
its a bot but the human operator jumps in and spergs a lot, you can tell when its him.

>>18481327
Whatever bro get a job this is sad

>>18481331
your job?
hurting people.
your skin?
brown.