Been looking into the history behind punk / metal then later scene fashion, what would be "counterculture" nowadays?

Everywhere I look, someone has dyed hair, tattoos, and piercings. In most subcultures, they turned into worshiping whatever mainstream media tells them to care about in the current moment. The modern day looking "punk" is really an NPC.

Looking into virginfest and other related material, it's now subversive to be right leaning/ pretend to be alt right or straight up being alt right. Yet how would that translate into fashion?

I was thinking maybe people will start dressing up purposely sleezy and drop the polished look that thrives off social media, not sure how that would look though.

Maybe purposely trashy, meta irony redneck and ghetto inspired with edgy themes that would get someone banned off social media.

>>18489509 (OP)
Ralph Lauren

>>18489509 (OP)
>it's now subversive to be right leaning/ pretend to be alt right or straight up being alt right
that's literally mainstream ideology kek, the US president, the richest man in the world,the US congress, the US military, etc are all right wing. Hell almost the entire west openly hates indians and cheer when they die, how is that subversive lmao, it's the mainstream
Is this another rightoid victimization thread?

"subversive" to me is completely ignoring all social media (4chan is the closest I come to "social media" these days and even that's just to kill dead hours at work) and the various influencers clawing their way into every aspect of life. Fashion wise I've been digging deeper into traditional menswear, slacks, dress shirts, muted color schemes, minimal accessories, generally just being deliberate and intentional about what I buy and wear in a way that isn't trying to follow a trend or fit a specific decade-core and that isn't drenched in irony.

>>18489509 (OP)
These days, simply being skinny without using drugs is counterculture.

>>18489509 (OP)
No plastic (nylon thread excused), no visible branding, no athleisure including sneakers. You say all negatives isn’t advice, but once you eliminate those things it’s a very narrow set of choices, a good sign you’re in the counterculture zone.

>>18489509 (OP)
It is not subversive to be right wing - that is cope. At best it is subversive to be a full on face tattoo red laces white supremacist but the opinions themselves are those of everyone in power, contrary to what the billionaire owned ideology manufacturing media wants you to believe, muh “the schools are making your kids communist!!!”. You will never be professionally estranged for being a conservative as long as you avoid dropping slurs. What is subversive is actual anti imperialism, which you will only suffer for. Punk aesthetics are now mainstream, yes. It was always a pretty retarded idea that you should be able to judge a book by its cover. But there are still obvious taboos you can break and a lot of ways to physically signal what subculture you belong to

>>18489509 (OP)
as ridiculous as it sounds, just having hair is enough to trigger the hordes of baldlet manlets that make up the majority of the normie public these days

>>18489596
Long hair is annoying.

>>18489509 (OP)
Neofolk is still widely considered "wrong" or "subversive". At least outside of post-communist states. But even that's becoming more mainstream, ironically from the mid-left. Shemaghs, cargo pants, parachuteer boots are already somewhat common, and it's only a matter of time until adopt denim shirts, jeep caps etc. too.

>>18489657
>neofolk is becoming mainstream
Can't we have ANYTHING to ourselves anymore? Why is every single random subculture hitting the mainstream? Can't weird shit just be weird shit? Nothing is counter-culture in the same way that we don't have fashion trends/subculture anymore. Everything is approaching singularity the more the internet is melded into real life. Kids are talking about fucking vril and shit when 10 years ago you'd be an unsocialised autist weirdo for saying internet memes out loud. Fuck this clown world, we need to go back.

>>18489509 (OP)
High quality and being skinny and making an effort is subversive

>>18489509 (OP)
wear a suit and hat everywhere, it would be more counter-cultural than 'dressing up sleezy' because its common to see that everywhere already

>>18489509 (OP)
Why do you want to be subversive, you fucking kike?

>>18490690
>wanting to subvert (((their))) society is bad, mmmkay?
Fuck this society, and fuck the conformists who'd rather be mindless drones than raise their voices. While I don't think too highly of being different for the sake of being different, it's still preferable to being just another sheep. Of course, being different without actively traing to be is preferable.

>>18489509 (OP)
A mix of sleaze-old money is the most subversive now. It represents everything the system hates.

Why can't you people just be yourselves?

reviewbrah core, dressing in a suit and tie every day.

if i were creating a subversive culture it would be a mix of neofolk with like green anarchism

A rejection of social media, and maybe an extreme rejection of smart phones and the internet. or maybe only using a desktop computer when at home. maybe throw in some spirituality or religion somewhere in there since religion is on the decline. I would reject childish things like super hero movies, genre fiction, anime. embrace reading and literary fiction, indie art house films. I would listen to neofolk and folk music, obviously, but also use its aesthetics to inspire fashion.

also dont be a wigger, all zoomers are wiggers, all zoomers listen to rap. its not subversive, its the most mainstream you could do

>>18489509 (OP)
>I was thinking maybe people will start dressing up purposely sleezy and drop the polished look that thrives off social media, not sure how that would look though.

Oh yeah that would be edgy, never been done before....

>>18489509 (OP)
I just realized Westboro Baptists were the real counterculture all along.

FASHION CANT BE PUNK
BY DEFINITION FASHION IS MAINSTREAM
PUNK IS ANTI FASHION

The point of fashion in a proper sense is to dress organically. A man who looks good in a basic white tee and blue jeans is leagues more respected by everyone, and I mean everyone, than someone who’s trying to fit into a subculture.

Since basically the 70’s, maybe even the 60’s, subcultures were always subversive but most of all, fake and a capitalist trap. The point of these subcultures was to essentially prey on insecurities and profit off of them. Once the subculture dies out within a decade or so, people are told to hop on the next corporate bandwagon and restart the anxiety train.

Take a look at millennials who were emo years back. From emo to scene, then metalcore, hipster, cuckold geek, and now a mess. The women are now escorts, failed bartenders, or the HR department throwing away your resume. Now look at who they are today. None of them are currently happy with a normal adulthood, effectively being raped of a normal life. Meanwhile, the basic jock and the basic blonde managed to keep it simple and live organic happy lives, eventually starting a family. Their fashion was still rather vanilla consisting of basic blue jeans, athletic apparel, and at most, hair grown to have bangs and nothing longer or edgier.

Today, look at anyone who’s alternative be they a TikTok goth, a pastel slut, a twitch cosplay whore, or a femboy. None of them are happy. They are chronically online living artificial lives, and suffering the same fate as the millennial emo from 20 years ago, only faster. Milestones missed in life trying to out subculture their peers resulting in an early midlife crisis.

Let’s also not forget that every subculture was designed to be self-destructive. Punk rock had drug addicts, gangsta subcultures made criminals, some subcultures made effeminate twinks, and some even made shut-in geeks. All of them are miserable. They fell for the memes and the psyop.

My advice is to wear clothing that looks inherently good on you.

>>18491714
Yep. Fashion should be about what looks good on you and works for you in everyday life. Treating fashion as a way to fit into a subculture and trend is capitalistic kikery. Just wear what compliments your body, personality, job and lifestyle. Treat clothes and accessories as tools. Don't try to fit into some weird subculture, like trying to enter a gang. That's weird and inauthentic. At the end of the day, it all boils down to being yourself. Trying hard always looks off putting and costume-y.

>>18489509 (OP)
Whatever your actual cultural garb is. When's the last time you saw someone earnestly wearing a local/national dress? Not as a fancy event thing, but just as day-to-day attire.

>>18489509 (OP)
if your identity is predicated on being subversive instead of just finding what appeals to you personally you're a loser

>>18489509 (OP)
Be some big muscular bald guy yelling fuck trump and fuck the police

Not trying

Everyone is an overly manicured curated little egotist with an "aesthetic" and inspo folders

>>18489509 (OP)
Neofolk clothing would be subversive. Looking like a early nazi brownshirt is the equivalent of looking like a satanist in the 1980s.