Thread 18560651

Why did male fashion undergo debimboification and how do we fix this tragedy?

>>18560651 (OP)
we already did, those who want to dress like this can dress like this if they put their mind to it

but the thing is,
what Beau Brummell did for mens fashion shouldn't be discounted as making it "boring", he democratized mens fashion for more men, and eventually men from all classes, and began a codification of rules, standards, and tropes that evolved into what we now understand as 21st century menswear, which is a broad palette with a large enough pool of cultural signifiers, contributed by all social classes and corners of the world, that one can communicate nearly anything they wish to about themselves with the right choice of clothing.

That isn't to say I'd be against a "re-bimbofication" of male fashion that doesn't veer into outright crossdressing, but personally, I like the elegance of a 21st century formal suit, and I think that style of clothing paired with makeup, wigs, and a more effeminate but not gaudy sensibility towards colors, patterns, and hairstyles is a lovely aesthetic that I'd love to see more of in the world.

>>18560651 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Male_Renunciation

>>18560723
>one
>themselves
Himself. We're talking about men here, not trannies.

>>18560778
You fucking idiot, do you know anything about engli-
...wait a minute, I don't have to waste my time getting angry over bait posts. I don't even like 18th century fashion!

>>18560846
The topic is about men you filthy tranny. When you're talking about men even when using the word "one", you say himself, not themselves which itself is a plural. Fucking tranny brained subhumans can't even speak basic English anymore.

>>18560651 (OP)
4 is best tbqh famalam

>>18560651 (OP)
The sword and walking stick should be reversed. 1 lived in a time of real duels to the death and can and did kill people in them, by the time of 5 you used pistols and it was lame and gay.

>>18560852
this
simpler yet still playful

>>18560858
> real duels to the death

The only thing (you) have ever duelled with is somebody else's penis

>>18560846
lel

>>18560651 (OP)
I'm not sure what happened can be fixed, fashion is at the mercy of the few which imbue to the fifthly masses

>>18560849
Do you also cry because "you" went from plural to singular back in the 17th century?

>>18561032
I do

>>18561032
Are you too much of tranny to speak proper English, especially as a man, when addressing another man? What kind of a tranny dilator compelled you to do the they/them tranny routine when normal men say himself when using "one" with reference to a man?

>>18560849
>NOOOO ENGAGE IN MY RAGEBAIT I NEED YOU TO BE AS MISERABLE AS I AM

>>18561040
Why do you speak bastardized English and not proper English from centuries ago?

>>18560956
yeah because I'm not a cool old timey fop who actually killed people while peacocking better than any modern man. When I say we must retvrn to tradition this is what i mean.

post more feminine men in suits

>>18561177
Why do you insist on talking like a subhuman tranny?

golden age

>>18561657
Nice curtains.

>>18560651 (OP)
beau brummell was right

I really wish it was still fashionable to wear capes.

You know what, fuck it. I might just start wearing a cape. I'll bring it back.

>>18560651 (OP)
>bimboification
this made me think, you associate dressing in expensive and delicate clothing with stupidity, but to me it's the opposite. if you put no effort into your appearance and wear something like a gray tshirt and a pair of dirty overalls, you're like a child or an animal. it also takes more mental capacity to succeed at life enough to be able to wear expensive and intricate clothing and accessories.

>>18561823
I was thinking more in terms of being "slutty and flamboyant". Good to know you have an insanely dim view of common people though

were i a noble backwhen i would dress like descartes or spinoza. all black, black stockings, hits of white and silver on my cuffs and buckled shoes respectively. i never knew why some of them went for this. maybe they were chuds and didnt like the feminine fashions of the day.

>>18562417
It's a good look, still

>>18560723
>what Beau Brummell did for mens fashion shouldn't be discounted as making it "boring", he democratized mens fashion for more men, and eventually men from all classes, and began a codification of rules, standards, and tropes that evolved into what we now understand as 21st century menswear, which is a broad palette with a large enough pool of cultural signifiers, contributed by all social classes and corners of the world, that one can communicate nearly anything they wish to about themselves with the right choice of clothing.
yeah no it's super boring

>>18562417
if youre a noble make sure you can fight in battle.

>>18561638
you have to be utterly deranged to think this aesthetic.

>>18562865
nah

>>18563015
If he didn’t have that hair, he would look like a pedo magician. His hair is like 50% of his outfit.

>>18563016
and?

>>18562329
common people used to dress in a way that would probably be considered flamboyant by today's standards, even if it was considered basic back then. nowadays the masculine default is a beerbellied skinnyfat man wearing a graphic t-shirt, a faded half open zip up hoodie, cheap jeans and old dirty sneakers.

>>18560651 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Male_Renunciation

>>18563262
You're joking, right? Common people wore shitty earth-toned stuff, because colors before synthetic dyes and all that weren't affordable at all for the common man and like 99% lived in what today would be considered poverty. These days it would be considered a larp, not "flamboyant" lmao.

>>18560651 (OP)
If you want to dress like this then you should. I wear a kaleidoscope of colors, silks, and 10lb of jewelry every day and I get endless compliments. Women especially love it. I'm not a cute twink either I'm a large, overweight, bearded man with the hair of a homeless guy. Throw on a ruffle, drink often, and carry yourself confidently, then this style will be better for you than any of the retarded bullshit you'll hear on this board.

>>18564886
>Common people wore shitty earth-toned stuff,
That's bullshit fantasy history peddled by (((hollywood))). Medieval people wore plenty of colorful clothing, not just in Europe but the entire world. Natural plant based dyes weren't all that expensive in the medieval times because people were surrounded by nature and farms. The expensive ones were usually mineral dyes.

>>18560723
if moids crossdressed, they'd be hotter. but moids dont wanna be hotter, they wanna whine

>>18560989
howd he make his hair do that lmfao

>>18565196
Retard, everything women wear today was originally men's clothing. They've been doing nothing but cross dress for decades.

>>18565196
>howd he make his hair do that lmfao
One heavy strike from a firepoker.

>>18560651 (OP)
>debimboification
Google "The Great Male Renunciation."

>>18560858
>can and did kill people in them
and would then be charged with murder

>>18565196
>howd he make his hair do that
wig

Somewhat related fit for my bro's wedding. Was going for a bootleg red carpet fruitlord look with a Western hint. Ended up looking a touch funereal as everyone was in tans and blues

>>18565213
only if the cops could keep up with them

>>18565429
you need to mew and get down to like 8-10% bodyfat, or start working out. depends on where you want to go with this look. but you can't stay here.

>>18565429
i'd recommend some proper high waisted dress pants, or some lower rise jeans, the middle ground doesn't work here

>>18565818
yeah what he said

>>18565429
How much do you mourn the fact that your bro is getting married?
Don't wear black for celebrations
I don't like what's going on at the knees and above of your pants
the length is fine though.

>>18567887
>>18565907
>>18563015
>>18561638
hazbin/vivziepop brainrot bullshit

>>18560852
Indeed. Shortening the waistcoat/vest was the right idea that just made it all come together perfectly.

>>18560651 (OP)
I assume dressing like a flamboyant faggot had more to do with aristocrat men wanting to flex their wealth? So the modern equivalent to that would be shit like gangsta rappers wearing expensive clothes and jewelry.

>>18568052
obesity speaks. dandies fuck hotter women than you ever will, toad.

>>18568179
i'm fit and I don't like to wear heavy clothes because they hide my gains plus it's hot as fuck the whole year where I live

>>18568189
you're fat.

>>18567896
i was just getting to that, as it happens

>>18560743
I'm bringing it back, homies.

>>18568414
I'm with you. Fuck boring clothing.

>>18565196
>whining about whining
Very boomer minded.

>>18560989
>fashion is at the mercy of the few which imbue to the fifthly masses
The lost of colours and volume in mens' clothing is 100% the fault of Geroge Brummell and George IV.

>>18565429
Wrong shirt size, those sleeves are WAY too long.

>>18568950
its literally fine what are you on about
do you think picrel is the correct length?

>>18560651 (OP)
Because everyone hated Louis he was a fucking weirdo faggot that got too tyrannical

im glad it changed because coat napoleonic military inspired drapes are where its at, its masculine and cool and edge how a man should be. Not a faggot that gets easily triggered and attempts to kill the opposition then masculine men raise against you and kill you, rightfully so, for being a faggot.

>>18561333
Checked, at least you didn't deny it, respect anon, for being proud of your hobbies

>>18568948
Is it really still his fault? Nobody dresses like that anymore, most people dress like homeless people. Actually I take that back I've seen homeless people better dressed than half the population.

>>18569584
Too short, actually. They're sized for each other but your wrist shouldn't be so far away from the cuffs. Get your jacket altered and get a new shirt. Make sure to get the last cuff button moved to the front. Do MTO/MTM on the shirt if you're in between sizes. Your collar points are way too small in general so you need a new shirt anyway. You have the same issue RFK has with his collar. The points should reach your lapels.

>>18568948
Men were wearing plenty of colors and patterns throughout the 1950s-2000s. It's only zoomers and millennials who stopped wearing colors in the name of "muh minimalism". Now the only thing these cucks wear are white, grey and black, and navy blue if they were feeling a bit bold that day.

https://youtu.be/1u5Gkh2t1ZI?t=5

>>18569584
What the fuck is that collar, genuinely baffled at how small it is, the tie doesn't fit underneath it, never seen something like that before
When bending your arm at the elbow at 90 degrees the edge of the cuffs should cover your wrist bone.
while the balance of shirt sleeve to jacket sleeve is correct, they are a size too small
The pants are still too short even though you're wearing heels which follows a bit different rules.

>>18571875
>>18571879
i was posting this in jest to make fun of the idea the sleeves were "too long"
this isn't my fit, i saved it from another thread ages ago

>>18571878
I sometimes like to wear red. It's like you say "I am here for the Sex."

>>18571878
The Peacock Revolution happened once; we can make it happen again!

Would it be too gay to get a suit with shoulder pads and a snatched waist?

>>18573826
depends on gay you're okay with looking

>>18573826
Gay? Nah. It just sounds fun and bold to me.

>>18573812
Yes. Say no to zoomer and millennial cuckold fashion. Boomers had more style and balls than all the succeeding cuck generations combined.

>>18573879 >>18573812
this style but with cute pale feminine twinks with anime hair is what i wanna see in the world

>>18573922
David Bowie core.

It looked like shit and it was a shithole period.

male fashion is pretty gay today, not because of the clothes, but because men aren't men anymore. you can dress androgynously and still be manly, it's just how you present yourself. look at someone in the realms of mick jagger, later era david bowie, new wave artists and even prince. people nowadays just don't know how to dress therefore, they have no realm to experiment. fashion is about balance and creativity.

>>18573879
Unironically true. I wish men still dressed like this.

>>18573879
the 60s was cringe

>>18568948
this can work but combined with modern pants, coat open, make it a frock coat, make the boots non-horse riding boots
regular solid color t-shirt underneath or a button up and a tie, you cna keep the neckerchief just another style more cowboy western maybe
and thats it u are wokstar, modern dandy

>>18574389
Boomers were based when they were young.

This is what peak male fashion looks like.

>>18560651 (OP)
the average male became poor
>No eyelashes

Rich men stopped showing opulence just to be relatable
>"It's okay anon, money is gay"

>>18574803
YES

>>18575092
became Protestant*
which means "totally sans-serif / beyond stale / anti-aesthetics / anti-beauty / anti-style"

>>18567896
I looked it up, why did you know this?
You must be gay if you knew this was a thing

>>18574803
That lazy bastard sits on a throne all day, if he were to do any work the outfit would get in the way

>>18576476
no, just under the age of 30

>>18574351
too much

>>18574225
>>18573935
>>18573879
too normie and boring

Just do modern dandy style with napoleonic inspired styles

>>18568948
>the fault of Geroge Brummell and George IV.
didnt it actually start in franace?

>>18562417
>>18562431
so kind of like the blackadder? seems really fitting for a chud of that time

>>18576516
>didnt it actually start in franace?
It started in America with the puritans and Revolutionary war.

>>18568414
>What is looksmaxxing?

>>18565183
>Brown men with afros and white women
wth i thought medievel people were based?

you don't

>>18578191
I don't need to know who this is to know that he is most certainly French.

>>18578371
the most spanish looking man ever

>>18578405
That's Cardinal Richelieu; the most French man ever.

>>18561813
Do it. It needs to happen.

>>18580224
I fucking called it.

>>18560651 (OP)
In my attempt to be flamboyant, I bought a pair of burgundy, almost red brogues. I have now been informed that there is a conspiracy theory tying pedo shit to wearing red shoes. I guess now we see if a schizo is going to shoot me in the head over this.

>>18580234
I've never heard of that. It sounds like something only the most terminally online people would believe, and they'll never go outside and see your shoes anyway. Red brogues sound awesome, by the way.

>>18580234
What now, little man?

>>18574803
You dweebs definitely been playing too much elden ring or castlevania

>>18561032
It is actually one of the greatest tragedies of the English language, along with the disappearance of þ, leading directly to ersatz abominations such as "'y'all" and "you guys" and such. Just tragic.

>>18580595
I've been playing Ender Magnolia, thank you very much.

>>18580537
Peak male footwear.

>>18576477
Cope and seethe, peasant.

>>18560651 (OP)
only the very rich dress frilly like that
coat shirt trousers had been the standard for the everyman long before the great renunciation