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Anonymous No.18580060 [Report] >>18580070 >>18580180 >>18580267 >>18580268 >>18580288 >>18580865
Don't know the logistics of fashion so maybe someone here can enlighten me, but why do so many designers from major fashion brands charge you thousands for a jacket or coat and use fucking synthetic lining? Is it also ever worth it to buy a coat with synthetic lining?
Anonymous No.18580070 [Report]
>>18580060 (OP)
>NOOOOOOO THE BIBLE SAID YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR NOOOOOO D:
Anonymous No.18580180 [Report] >>18580188
>>18580060 (OP)
A Japanese designer whose work i really liked used to insist on cupro lining all the time. After the fire he didn't want to pay scalper prices for it so he tried a high quality polyester lining and now he refuses to use cupro because he thinks the polyester is so much better.
Anonymous No.18580183 [Report]
This is shatnez, doubly worthless!!
Anonymous No.18580188 [Report]
>>18580180
cupro is synthetic too. you anti-poly weiners are so funny. probably drinking monster energy drinks which are plastic lined going right into your system but scared of any synthetic touching your dermal barrier at all.

having said that visim has always been utter dog shit, op
Anonymous No.18580208 [Report] >>18580225 >>18580272 >>18580625 >>18580865
Synthetic linings became the standard at all price points because they are so immeasurably better than natural fibres in basically every single regard, while being 3-5 times less expensive. That means more durable, slips on easier, regulates heat better, longer lasting, anti-static, anti-microbial, easier to launder etc.

The only people not using synthetic linings are designers with an extreme aversion to using any synthetics whatsoever. However you should know full well that when they use something like cotton or silk you are getting an inferior lining. You're getting something that's heavier, won't last as long, will cling to B.O. easier, is harder to put on, won't be as durable, and will be much more expensive.

This is one of those things like plastic buttons that everyone regardless of price point and ethos has basically moved on to. The natural equivalents are just so much more expensive and so much more inferior it makes zero sense.

Also you should know there's different grades and mills when it comes to synthetic linings. Rayon and Cupro are both semi-synthetics, one uses cotton and the other wood pulp. So there is variance in quality. There's mills in India making it as cheap as possible and there's mills in Japan trying to push the quality as high as possible for bespoke suiting. That visvim coat will not have the same Rayon quality as an H&M Rayon lining, I can guarantee you that.

t. fashion designer
Anonymous No.18580225 [Report] >>18580241
>>18580208
Nice cope. Go back to your ali baba brand. The best brands use cashmere or silk lining and horn or shell buttons btw. Only cheap mid brands like you work for would use Rayon and plastic lmao. Sucks to suck.
Anonymous No.18580241 [Report] >>18580242 >>18580243 >>18580244 >>18580865
>>18580225
I know more about clothes than you do or ever will.

Go to Saville Row, they're using synthetic linings (typically Ermazine more than anything else). Go walk into Hermes, or Tom Ford, or Loro Piana. They're using synthetic linings too. Very rarely will you find silk. Occasionally you'll see something like a 50/50 Silk/Cupro blend but 100% Silk is almost unheard of. A big reason is because silk shrinks and causes pulling that ends up warping the garment with continued wear and laundering.

This is one of the main reasons synthetics were adopted so quickly and widely when they became available. They solved a problem garment makers had always had to deal with when it came to silk linings. (The solution was cutting linings larger to account for shrinkage which was expensive and made the garment more bulky).

As for Cashmere linings they're so incredibly use specific it's not even worth bringing them up. Not to mention cashmere itself means nothing. You can find cheap gloves at the mall with cashmere linings because there's incredibly cheap grades of cashmere out there.
Anonymous No.18580242 [Report] >>18580244
>>18580241
Most high end brands will have horn and shell buttons in their line sheet but it's going to be a very small percent of total styles and typically the designs that lean more towards rustic. They chip and break incredibly easily and are notorious for getting broken at the dry cleaners.

Again, like I said there's a reason 99% of all brands including the most high end ones have switched to plastic buttons. Sometimes synthetics are simply better for certain use cases. You very rarely see natural rubber soles anymore either. Because they have terrible durability, get filthy incredibly easily, are difficult to clean, and degrade much faster than synthetic rubber while being more expensive.

Better yet look at thread, almost all thread on Earth now is synthetic. Even at the haute couture ateliers of Paris where a dress starts at $25,000 and can reach in excess of $100,000. They're sewing it with Polyester thread, because it's completely colour fast and does not degrade or rot when exposed to UV and human sweat and body oils. Pretty much the only place left in the fashion industry that uses cotton thread is knitwear that's dyed after construction, because synthetic threads don't take dyes.

Not everything that's natural is a straight upgrade over synthetics. There's plenty of areas where companies cheap out by going the synthetic route (particularly in knitwear). But linings and buttons are not a good example of this.
Anonymous No.18580243 [Report] >>18580250
>>18580241
Loro Piana uses cashmere lining, retard. Just go look at any new or used listing and confirm. You are coping hard for your poverty brand.
Anonymous No.18580244 [Report]
>>18580241
>>18580242
>all this cope defending poly
Let me guess you are already bald and/or gay and trying to get other people to ruin themselves too right?
Anonymous No.18580250 [Report] >>18580379
>>18580243
https://ca.loropiana.com/en/spring-summer/man/torino-blazer-FAP3535_D0SC.html

Why the fuck would Loro Piana use cashmere in a summer linen blazer? You use cashmere for garments that are specifically going to be worn outside in cold weather with nothing layered underneath. It's not a lining you can use for every garment or even year round.

Look at that product page you absolute dipshit. They don't list the lining material but look at the photos. That's not a cashmere lining and it's certainly not silk. I've been polite with you but now the gloves come off. You're a fucking moron. You think you know what you're talking about but you don't have a fucking clue. I've been working in the industry for over 10 years. I go to Premier Vision every other year. I've had this exact conversation with head designers and factory owners. I care about this topic probably 100x more than you do or ever will. The OP asked why everyone uses synthetics, I've answered 5x over with more depth and quality in this one thread than /fa/ is lucky to get in totality in a year.

You're now trying to disagree with me as a plebeian moron consumer that likely learnt everything they know about clothes from 2nd hand webstores. I do this shit for real, every day of my life. You can sit down and learn or you can continue to be an ignorant retard.
Anonymous No.18580267 [Report] >>18580270
>>18580060 (OP)
isn't rayon wood pulp? alot of fashion brands do this to either cut cost or to go green
Anonymous No.18580268 [Report]
>>18580060 (OP)
because they can, dumbass
you think any salesman gets rich by being fair?
Anonymous No.18580270 [Report]
>>18580267
Rayon is POLY don't be fooled and the xenoestrogens in it WILL make disrupt your endacrine system!
Anonymous No.18580272 [Report]
>>18580208
>will cling to B.O. easier
that's polyester though
Anonymous No.18580288 [Report]
>>18580060 (OP)
The lining in outerwear will be subjected to abnormal amounts of friction, both from you putting it on and off and from movement because it sits looser on you to be able to accommodate an inner layer. Aside from causing abrasion, this friction also pulls on the fibers of your clothes and causes pilling. So for lining you need a fabric that's both very smooth to minimize friction and piling and also very abrasion resistant so it will last longer before getting holes in it, and the fabrics that excel at both of those properties are synthetics.
Anonymous No.18580327 [Report]
Those things are nice if you have the money and/or time to replace your buttons every other week and/or don't mind replacing an expensive coat every other season. Luxury materials like that only fit a very small group of people's lifestyles. I live a far too active life to worry about the lining of my coat or the buttons on my shirt.
Anonymous No.18580379 [Report]
>>18580250
holy COW! you're a professional jew?! awesome! i love circumcision too! can i suck your polyester penis too? ill pay in shekels
Anonymous No.18580625 [Report]
>>18580208
>will cling to B.O. easier
Anonymous No.18580865 [Report] >>18580895
>>18580060 (OP)
if this had a silk/cashmere lining it'd be 3x the price

>>18580208
>>18580241
is right (except about plastic buttons fuck those give me real buttons thanks it's an important detail and performance doesn't matter there)
the only thing I can imagine is that the anti-synthetic crowd is genuinely so poor they have never felt high quality synthetics
Anonymous No.18580895 [Report]
>>18580865
That's why you go to a thrift store and buy one that was never used because a fat pig was in denial about their size