what's the point if the second you stop using all the mucle goes away?

whats the point of doing anything in life if you lose it all when you die

>>76243653
if you die anon. immortality is hust around the corner.

to see what you would look like

the point is to take the final and hardest pill to swallow, which is to lift for health only.

only if you're some mystery meat ethnic with a terrible frame like zyzz or jon skywalker
the aryan natty goat is still winning shows and mogging zoomers

>> 76243666
Checked, but Zyzz had better insertions than this bulbous freak. More aesthetic too.

>>76243646 (OP)
You use steroids when the only thing important to you in your entire life is the size of your muscles. Reminder that when it comes to aesthetics, shape > size. You couldn't pay me enough money to roid.

>>76243657
yeah but not for you or me. The kardashians will get it before you ever will

>>76243713
Guess it depends. They'll probably make sure whoever gets it and isn't stinking rich needs to pay with their fertility as well

>>76243708
>shape > size
I heard a theory that this is how men think, but for women it's the opposite.
Men will like a tiny 4'11 girl or a 6 foot 200+ lb one, if she has the right shape
Girls on the other hand like size. They don't like the small guy even if he's shaped well, but some big dude or lanklet even if he's fairly fat they like.

>>76243646 (OP)
He didn't just stop using, he stopped lifting entirely and was in the hospital dying - that'll lead to atrophy for natties and juicers regardless.

>>76243946
A natty wouldn't decrease in size like that

>>76243666
Le cookies are ready

>>76243958
yes they would retard
having congestive heart failure and only eating hospital food will make anyone lose size

>>76243646 (OP)
poor bastard, bet he never thought that his body will fail that soon or even fail at all lol.
maybe he expected to start having problems in his 60s hahahahahah

we're gonna be watching his biopic on the flix once he commits harakiri

I want to roid because I want to be a better grappler

Idk bro, that guy lived in 10 years the dream life that many of us will never experience, and he's still alive. If he was a bit more cautious and didn't abuse roids plus drinking and smoking shit like cocaine he probably could've kept roiding forever and maintaining his physique on a lower dosage.
I'm a depressed piece of shit and Id probably kill to have even a week in this guy's life, sure I'm natty and more healthy than him but for what? I don't get any mires or bitches, living 10 years as a sheep ain't worth it.

>>76244062
Dude didnt just lost size. He lost everything.

>>76243646 (OP)
I don’t understand how he get 0 acne after stopping all of a sudden, there must be a secret

>>76243666

Jeff's size came down a lot. Good for his health, hopefully he'll be around a lot longer than Zyzz.

>>76243666
>natty
lol

>>76244111
not really, he's still a well known name in the fitness industry and even has people like jay fucking cutler in his comments
he may have lost the plot but he still has fans

>>76243646 (OP)
The point was living a full filling youth and not becoming and bitter old cunt never living his life

>>76243646 (OP)

Where did this retarded idea come from that as a natural you keep your muscle forever lmao? You think if you stop going to the gym for 2 months you won’t look DYEL?

>>76244418
i thought as long as you get your protein intake they body doesnt burn muscle

>>76243646 (OP)
so dont stop lifting? stupid fucking brownie

>>76243666
Even Le cookie monster looks old now....
fuck

>>76244425

Your body doesn’t need or want muscle, it will choose fat 100% of the time, unless you’re on steroids

Even while lifting and eating adequate protein, on a cut you will lose 70% fat 30% muscle. And what makes you think this mechanism is any different from a steroid user?? If you’re on 2g of gear and you lower to 250mg test, no shit you deflate, but you’re still bigger than any natural.

Guys who shrink to DYEL from mass monster are mostly health scares who are forced off + can’t lift/eat (same thing would happen to a natural)

>>76244411
>The point was living a full filling youth
Until you realize that being 25 is only 1/3 of your life and now you have to live the rest of the 2/3s of your life in a crippled state.

Also dropping your life expectancy from 80 all the way down to 50. So in reality youve cut your lifespan in by 33% and the remaining 50% of your life will be lived in some sort of restriction and/or pain.

All of that, just to fuck some party sluts (which could have been done natty) and to have a moderate following on instagram that will only last as long as your muscles do.

What will you do when its time to get an actual job? Or maybe the real plan was to die by then like zyzz

>>76244479

As opposed to working from 25-65 50 hours a week and making 75k a year, only to finally retire and be free at 60 so you can buy a corvette?

25 with fame, wealth, and status + dying at 50 is far better than the traditional man’s life, which is essentially living to work. Even if you get an extra 2 decades of driving 5 miles under the speed limit in a ZR1 corvette in your 60s

>>76244479
none of the roiders think they will get hit by the consequences of their actions, you really think some 18 year old roider has the foresight that his body will collapse on him at age 40+?
All he sees and hears is that roiding gets you pussy, money and statues and usually their ears stop listening the moment you say "X gets you pussy" everything after the word pussy ends in a tinnitus like high bell ring.
It's not that complicated.

>>76244488
>25 with fame, wealth, and status
you're not getting any of that with roids, there's like a couple dozen famous young fitness influencers and that's it, in a population of hundreds of thousanfs of roiders
if you roid you might go up 1 or 2 points out of 10 in terms of sexual attractiveness and that's it

>>76244488
You'd also get a family you can watch grow up into adults and grandkids you could spoil

A lifetime of lessons you can pass down. Inheritence that could help prosper your lineage with a head start on finance.

More time on earth to enjoy its natural beauty and wonders.

Not everything is about fast cars, fast women, and a fast death. Guys like Rich Piana that died at 45 left being NOTHING but some youtube videos and a failing fitness company. He got to enjoy his corvette C7 during his life but where did that end up? With any of his beloved friends? Nope. It ended up in a redditors driveway lmao

>>76243653
that's the real question, isn't it?

>>76243646 (OP)
Steroids is for people who just want to cheat and live for a few years. Beyond that, they will be living a life of misery trying to maintain their declining health while taking more drugs to try to alleviate other health issues.

>>76243646 (OP)
Roidtroons are a joke

>>76243646 (OP)
You just figured out that bodybuilding, with or without drugs, is utterly pointless. Congratulations.

>>76243646 (OP)
>what's the point if the second you stop using all the mucle goes away?

As a person goes through life, the only things that they don't regret doing, are they things that they did in which they didn't care if anyone knew that they did them.

If you do steroids and you don't care if anyone sees the results of it, then you won't regret it.

>>76243653
Gotta pass the time somehow.

>>76243946
>not sneaking a pair of dumb-bells in with you
>not doing dynamic tension

if you stop lifting you lose all your gains. natty or not. the "roidtranny" spammers use the dumbest arguments. there is legitimate reason you could argue but this isn't one. roidtranny spammers are a few 80iq thirdworld retards I believe.

>>76244479

You know there is such thing as middle ground right? What about all the athletes, actors, social media influencers, and fitness models that use peds but don't over abuse them? It's not hard to get a girl pregnant. Indians,Chinese , and poor people do it all the time. It's not hard, you just choose the easiest way to live life and now you are coping by trying to make it seem like it's some rare dream come true.

>>76244618
>>76244591
You need to stop being lazy and actually lift hard to get a good body.

You only hear about the most extreme cases of retards that abuse roads. There is 1000s of people that used them smart and became successful.

In life you need to use all the advantages you can or you will end up bitter and angry like you are now

>>76243813
Look at Adam Driver, he's no oil painting and definitely not aesthetic by fit standards but he's 6'3 with a massive head, jaw and frame and hoards of women lust after him.

>>76244103
Couldn't agree more. You ever hear the story of the two old WW2 vets who met again after 50 years, came alive talking about some battle they were in, then brushed over the next 50 years of marriage, kids, work, etc. They lived more in that one day than the rest of their life combined. Better to burn bright and fast than to barely burn at all for your whole life.

>>76244479
Who tf wants to live to 80 on this hell hole anyways? Seriously you guys want to be a geriatric old man just waiting for death?

>>76247415
Man, even crazier are the ones who think fondly of extending their lifespan to 90 or even 100. I'm watching my parents now in their late 70s, everything is getting worse, even simple stuff like how much energy they have, needing to sleep during the day, eyesight, hearing. In 10 years they won't be capable of living anything like the life they would want to live. Who wants that?

>>76244546
Roads didn't kill rich, it was coke that he was abusing, he had a od and fell and hit his head.

Roids is the only reason he became a famous millionaire. Without them he would just be another drug user that worked a 9 to 5 like you. So this example doesn't help your point

>>76243646 (OP)
Isn't that a hormonal thing? Same as growth?

>>76247424
>>76247415
People that are terrified of death, they want to live as long as possible so they never take risks or do anything. They live small life's and their main goal is get a girl pregnant and raise some kids. They also believe they will still somehow be alive if they have alot of kids to pass on their genes.

>>76244062
lol why do roiders all suddenly have heart issues they always claim roiding is pretty safe unless you have le birth defect (all of them do coincidentally)

>>76247424
>>76247438
>>76247408
>>76247415
this is the future of all the noble natties of /fit/ who never took any risks in life and will be posting here at 80yo

>>76247451
Kek

>>76244411
>full filling youth
>being idolized by gay chuds in 4chan

>>76247438
>People that are terrified of death
And you're terrified of not being jacked enough. Being afraid of death is more intelligent.

>>76243646 (OP)
who's this happa roidtranny?

>>76247393
even a 'standard' cycle or even yet, trt will shut you down and you lose everything when you stop. What exactly is 'smart roiding'?

>>76247442
well with Jon it wasn't just steroids
>gear
>smoked cigarettes regularly
>drank regularly
>did coke regularly
>did ketamine regularly
>probably did even more shit regularly
>ate like shit

>>76247451
>So I gave up
It is about it. Don't even pains me anymore

>>76247408
or it's because the battle was context specific you dumb autistic retard

pic very related. giga manlet 5'6" gave himself heart issues and now is bald and hiding it with bandanas and caps and lost all his muscles haha

Roids are unsustainable long-term that's all you need to know

>>76248182
I wondered what happened to ecchichad
I remember seeing those gigashrunk pictures but I didn't know it was due to heart issues

>>76244418
The idea originated from the fact that if you're taking supraphysiological levels of test you can hold supraphysiological levels of muscles, but once you quit the roids you lose all the excess muscle above what you can naturally hold, plus your test will plummet so you'll be able to hold even less than you otherwise would have. Whereas as a natty you can only ever build as much muscle as your body can actually support so you don't have the sudden decline.

>>76243646 (OP)
It doesn’t. You can keep up to your natty limit if you just keep lifting. If you quit lifting you will lose it all, but that would be true without steroids as well

>>76243646 (OP)
Jon Skywalker is the epitome of the "I'll never die" mindset. He blasted harsh compounds, ate like shit, did party drugs all the time. He basically fast-tracked his organs into the grave. Plenty of people come off steroids with only small gradual losses or never abuse them to the point where it's their entire physique.

get fucked if you abuse dangerous compounds I guess lmao

>>76247415
you people have never had good grandparents clearly.

He still has a killer Adonis belt. Very sexy.

>>76247442
Roiders of all types

>>76249335
Yes I did and I saw how sad and degrading their life was, pain everywhere, barely able to walk just waiting to die. Yes they "made it" in life I guess by creating a family but for /fit/ards making a family or impregnating some whore is a sign of making it, which is pathetic, I want more than that, I want to be better than my grandparents and just mog the world. I don't wanna have a peaceful boring life, I want to be fighting my demons everyday til the day I die, it's fun

>>76249402
No one looks good past 60 anon. Aesthetics is a young mans game. After that it's about enjoying things in life as you coast to your grave.

>>76249382
>Don't be dumb that guy doesn't look like he ro-ack

>>76243666
Jeff was a d1 athlete if I remember correctly, though he wasn’t natty at some point he never needed to take high doses given his genetics and cumulative training. Zyzz and Skywalker were just scrawny nerds who roided. No comparision.

>>76244411
Most of our youth is wasted in schools. Total kike death is the first step to fixing that problem.

>>76243666
>natty
>666
stop spouting lies, Satan

>>76243646 (OP)
depends on your genetics, ive had to stop for years due to an i jury, but i never completely lost what i gained. and it comes back fast.

>>76243646 (OP)
ephemeral and vapid as the sex and attention they are trying to get

>>76243646 (OP)
so you can switch between cute twink and Chad mode

>>76243646 (OP)
That dude was clearly roided. Easy come, easy go. If you use steroids your muscles can grow fast but won't have all the surrounded tissue, bone density and I dunno - blood vessels growing proportionally. It's a well-known phenomenon, people are not making it up to shit on steroids. It's how we know Mike O' Hearn despite all the propaganda, while he seems to be on some level of trt is not taking tren.

>>76244488
So are you just living bicuriously through some nepo baby roider thinking you'll be in the exact same position? I think you have genuine mental illness. You're not dying at 50 peacefully, it will most likely be a long road of organ failure and pain and you're not going to have any of this fake horseshit of getting anywhere money/status wise by roiding. If you want to roid do it but don't kid yourself thinking you'll have an exceptional life doing it. That's extreme cope and you're falling for it like a sucker

>>76250174
>blood vessels growing proportionally
are you retarded? youve never seen someone on steroids obviously, with garden hose veins. everything grows with steroids including bone density you are retarded.

the only thing that doesnt grow in proportion are tendons and ligaments. and they do grow faster than naturally, there are a bunch of anabolic steroids that are prescribed to increase collagen synthesis. the tendons just dont grow nearly as fast as soft tissue.

>>76243646 (OP)
Isn't that the same for everything?
Don't use math for a while, you forget it.

What happened to the Tiny guy that used to post here in early 10s? The short monkey guy

>>76247397
hes ugly af and is part of cia mk ultra to make the public accept ugly future actresses to match the majority brownoid mutt population

>>76244103
you know you can drink, do drugs and fuck whores any time of your day right? you dont have to be some fitness influencer to do that

>>76247397
>all that but not the fact he is rich and famous
Lol

>>76243646 (OP)
>what's the point if the second you stop using all the mucle goes away?
To drown in prime pussy for a while.
I think it's worth it

>>76243653
Thanks a lot asshole

>>76250185
this retard said bicuriously [skull emoji]
you meant VICARIOUSLY you goof

>>76248182
kek this guy was always a huge faggot

>>76249326
>Plenty of people come off steroids with only small gradual losses or never abuse them to the point where it's their entire physique.
any pics? i only see long term perma cruise roiders or complete dyel shrimps after quitting cold turkey

>>76243813
Yeah they like size when it comes to hight not muscle mass

Because it feels good!

There’s use vs abuse - Skywalker did both recreational and AAS together plus he had a predisposition to serious health issues.
A recipe for disaster.

>>76248182
>and now is bald and hiding it with bandanas and caps
The funniest thing is that makes it worse due to multiple different factors.

>>76251138
Looking good, anon! What is ur current stack, king? Any advice for someone who's about to start roiding? Should I really go for the default 500mg test a week or start with 250mg and gradually increase?

>>76248182
imagine having a life worth giving up gear to live, i will never stop taking gear because my life is complete and utter shit. the day i have a heart attack is the day i pin even more and spit in gods face

>>76250547
Having a good physique makes it 10x easier, not everyone was born a model like you, anon

>>76251156
thats a skinnyfat neckbeard posting some random guys photos in a bunch of threads

>>76251160
This is why I should take roids, my life is utterly dogshit and I think about killing myself everyday, all I feel is anger, emptiness, remorse and hate. Might aswell blast and be a sick cunt with a great physique and die earlier so I don't have to wake up everyday in this nightmare of a hell hole.

>>76247383
>use peds but don't over abuse them
Using steroids for any purpose other than to treat Hypogonadism is abuse.

>>76247383
>dude just get a random bitch pregnant you'll be like Genghis Khan
Oversimplified dogshit. You sound like a 14 year old.

>>76247473
no it's not

>>76244546
You sound way too concerned with how people view you. Are you a woman?

>>76251156
Literally just today started a blast of 1,000mg Test of 50/50 E & U E3D admin

Did Tren Ace (WIsh I had E) before but it made my hair fall out so I threw my vials away.

Photos I have posted though in recent times are from when I was using 250mg TestE (literally this past couple days).

Also just bagan using the rest of my Ipamorelin (I am not sure of my dosage, but I am using a vial every ~6.6 days) + CJC DAC at about 33mg E7D admin.

I am taking health ancilliaries like Telmisartan and Ezetimibe.

I am currently eating 1-1.4kkcal in a PSMF-style diet.
Doing some cardio, but mainly walkiong between sets for ~7-18k steps daily.
Losing weight VERY quickly

>who cares
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>>76251335
I wish.

>>76251138
>There’s use vs abuse
>injecting myself with chemicals they give cattle to beef up and slaughter them for meat
>le ok
>injecting myself with twice the chemical they give cattle to beef up and slaughter them for meat
>le not ok
kek, junkie mentality. those drugs fuck your brains up

>>76251923
just don't inject much, inject only a little heroin

>>76243666
He's not natty but still mogs genetically

>>76251160
>>76251176
>Take gear
>Too dysgenic to look good roided
>Everyone thinks you're natty

>>76251799
>dying at 25 to look like a space marine

>>76243646 (OP)
The only roiders who thrive are the ones who plan long term, don't care about the freakish side effects, and don't LARP as natties. I respect that

>>76252168
how fucking disgusting holy shit

>>76252205
I love it

>>76243646 (OP)
It goes away if you never had a decent natty base and you never learned how to train correctly without the drugs compensating for your shitty training.

>>76252210
frog fucking freak

>>76243646 (OP)
You fuckers saying live fast, die young are retarded. I'm in my 40's and 25 feels like 10,000 years ago. This idiot has fucked himself for the majority of his lifetime so he could be a little swole? I can't imagine having gotten to my age, looking ahead at 3~5 more decades, and living all of that in poor health because of a couple of years where I was blasting juice.

>>76243646 (OP)
Because it makes you feel good *right now* which is all drug addicts care about. You can hop on a cycle for a few years, post alot of self help drivel, despite having no real life experience, and post alot of fitness advice, despite having no real life qualifications. Coomers will always defend your natty status no matter how roided out you are.
But one day the medical consequences of gear use always come home to roost, and now you're just left with fucked up hormones and a jacked up face and voice.

>>76252168
>>76252210
Repugnant creature.

>>76252277
Jesus christ. He withered away into a drauger

Opinion incoming:
>if you wither away to nothing off the juice then you obviously never learned how to lift
>imagine how juicy you could have been on the juice if you'd actually known how to take advantage of it
Hit your natty limit before juicing or you'll never know how juicy you can really get!

>>76252277
>even a corpse has a gf and I don't
Proof that roids are based

>>76252259
>>76252288
Neither of you scared little lads will ever be a clit commander with an attitude like that

>>76244103
What does having a roided body have to do with living a ""dream life""
What the fuck even is that? You are so fucking dull if the answer to that question is fucking le women

I am roiding and it changed nothing

>>76253357
All my friends and people I know that roided now have gfs, being an outlier in current society is def going to help you get pussy

>>76253357
One's most physically beautiful version is also their most lovable one. Plato says this in book 3 of republic... Why "preserve" urself to wither away in old age when you can hop on modest cycle and live life of king?

>>76243653
Just don't die then? Problem solved?

>>76243958
Well yeah you dont lose what you dont have in the first place, because I know youre retarded and that went over your head I will explain what I meant, yes nattys dont have size lol

>>76249382
>suffering cardiac arrest
>our heartfelt condolences
Kek

>>76243646 (OP)
3-4 good years in 1-1.5 since they typically neglect building a base besides getting to 3pl8s and stalling typically in the "stronger" ones.

>>76243646 (OP)
To be as gay as possible

>>76247397
He'd look way more normal if he got a haircut and didn't pull his pants up to his nipples like some kind of 1830s faggot.

>>76247415
>>76247424
the entire point of natty lifting is to be better in old age. im still gonna be pounding chinese girls and working when i'm 80

>>76243946
Acheivable natty youre gay and stupid

>>76247397
If thats natty thats a good base

>>76243646 (OP)
I never realized how low these people are wearing their pants. It's literally at the base of their cock

>>76243646 (OP)
>what's the point if the second you stop using all the mucle goes away?

He looked like a Greek God at his peak.

>>76255714
>I never realized how low these people are wearing their pants. It's literally at the base of their cock

It is the same person.

>>76243646 (OP)
This dude at my gym stopped using roids, he's absolutely shrunk back to pre-roid levels in a matter of months, it's insane, I didn't know that was how it worked, I presumed you'd keep at least some of the mass, but this man has gone from biggest in the gym to just another dude in the gym but with terrible cystic acne, dark world, proud to say despite having a mid physique I will never poison myself with the trannyhormones.

>>76257606
meanwhile you still remember that guy and he has never thought of you
curious

>>76258515
yeah, I remember how sad and pathetic that guy is. Great legacy, bro

>>76243646 (OP)
No point, just succumbing to mental illness.

>>76258518
and nobody remembers you at all
curious

>>76256830
Yes I am aware they're the same person, I meant bodybuilders in general who show off their Adonis belts

>>76243666
This is the best i've seen him look desu. great physique

>>76257606
>I presumed you'd keep at least some of the mass,
Still gets me how people still don't understand this.
It doesn't matter if you somehow are able to lift the same amount of weight after coming off roids as you did on roids (you wont); you will always shrink back to what you were like before roids.
People don't understand how roids work.

>>76258606
wanting to be remembered by being big in the minds of other dudes sounds like a bitch homo behavior ngl

>>76259408
why did his stomach hollow out like that?

>>76259428
because he sucks it in, newbie
It's called a vacuum

>>76259435
i think he'd look better if he didn't do that.

>>76243713
desu considering how fertility rates continue to plummet
assuming we don't reach some sort of singularity, be it ai or biological (in which case everything is unpredictable)
it would be in the wealthy's interest to make the peons immortal so they can have a workforce and consumers

>>76243646 (OP)
He could permanently be as big as middle pic if he somehow got me to explain how to lift and eat, he was drinking and doing coke so he didnt get too far not even 50% bench wr.
>just trying to look sick lol
Youre on steroids stop being so lacksidaisical

>>76260584
dyel hands typed this

>>76260617
Im trying to beat +1pl8/yr 1rm bench how far did you get/before roiding?

>>76243646 (OP)
mirin' calves

>>76244418
it's pretty well researched and well established that naturally built muscle lasts more and is easier to recomp than steroid muscles. Steroid is literally borrowed muscle while as a natural you'll gain most of your natty peak in weeks of going back to the gym.

>>76247383
Trvke

>>76252210
She looks like a tranny Channing Tatum