Why is carnivore diet so controversial?

because you touched yourself with the dinosaurs at night

Go live in a cave with plastic-free sticks and stones if it's so good for you Krog

you see a dead animal in nature you think its delicious?
no
you see fruit in nature you think its delicious?
yes

>>76244643 (OP)
Because it's dumb and people sperging about it usually have no idea what and how actual predators in nature eat. Also, about picrel, cutting out vitamin C from your diet will make your gums bleed and your teeth fall out eventually, it was called scurvy in ye olden days of tall ships supplied with mostly salted meats and hard tack (and booze).

>>76244693
>you see a dead animal in nature you think its delicious?
No, many carnivorous species avoid rotting flesh, only scavengers tolerate it. Flesh meat looks delicious.
>you see fruit in nature you think its delicious?
>yes
Congratulations you got outsmarted by a fucking plant and now you're choking on its poisonous fruit.

>>76244643 (OP)
Bruh just eat everything, why you spergs gotta eliminate 95% of food thinking it'll give you superpowers and shit.
>Jesus christ please just start lifting.

>>76244643 (OP)
1.85g per kg of bodyweight
fill the rest will fats/carbs until you meet your calorie intake quota
why do retards keep reinventing the wheel?
hijacking the shit bait thread, post /ck/ x /fit/ charts and pics

>>76244814
>1.85g per kg of bodyweight
meant to say 1.85g of protein per kg...
obviously

>>76244643 (OP)
Because it is an extremist diet only followed by mentally ill people who are desperately seeking identity. Im not even saying that as an offense. tt's literally true. Carnivore people are the same as vegans, just on the other end of the spectrum. The argument made in the OP picture is also just stupid, because the human body is without a single fucking doubt also designed to eat fruits, so the idea of animal products only is just retarded.

>>76244823
>the human body is without a single fucking doubt also designed to eat fruits
>fructose is non-digestible

>>76244643 (OP)
Because the justifications for it are fictitious, the people who promote it are grifters, and it's broadly just bad for you.
>But muh ancestors
Mostly ate carbs and ate meat opportunistically
>but grain is le bad for you!
when it's your only source of food, same way those "red meat causes cancer" studies look at meat as a primary food source, y'know - like that whole "balanced diet" thing?
>muh antinutrients
that's what cooking is for, there's very few plants with compounds that actively destroy vitamins already in your body
>muh oxalates
nigga drink some fucking water
>weight loss ketosis
you can also lose weight by just eating less
>muh fat is good for me
back to the limited amounts balanced diet thing again
It's all just retarded black and white bullshit trying to address a grey zone answer

Red meat (beef, pork, lamb, bison, etc.) has a sugar molecule called neu5gc that causes inflammation in your blood vessels. This is why cardiologists recommend not gorging on red meat. You can still eat some red meat, but making it the foundation of your diet is going to fuck you in the long run.

>>76244643 (OP)
>>76244761

>>76244860
>Mostly ate carbs and ate meat opportunistically
Even if that was true (can you name 3 consistent, year-round sources of carbs for pre-agrarian humans?), it just means that we solved nutrition by making meat reliable rather than opportunistic.
>when it's your only source of food, same way those "red meat causes cancer" studies look at meat as a primary food source, y'know - like that whole "balanced diet" thing?
Its literally the opposite, balanced diet is the worst thing for you. Google Randle cycle.
>that's what cooking is for, there's very few plants with compounds that actively destroy vitamins already in your body
Why eat something with antinutrients in the first place?
>nigga drink some fucking water
Why eat something with oxalates in the first place?
>you can also lose weight by just eating less
Nobody said anything about losing weight
>back to the limited amounts balanced diet thing again
Fat participates in a gorillion vital bodily functions not just muh ketones. Fat intake is non-negotiable regardless of what else you eat.

Isn't the basic idea of the carno diet (or keto generally) that your gut burns energy in this order:
1. booze
2. carbs
3. fat
4. protein
And then some stuff about ketosis. Honestly IDC about it. Ketogrifters say if you're in ketosis and you have any booze (1) or carbs (2) then you're kicked out of ketosis and burning zero fat for blabla days/hours, even if it's a small amount.
Fucking retarded.
CICO => CO doesn't change. If CI isn't coming from booze/carbs nor fat, where the fuck is it coming from? Can't be protein surely.
So wouldn't it make more sense (assuming the digestion order thing is true) to just avoid carbs mostly so your system isn't constantly running on them (i.e. used to running on fat and not feeling hungry) ? Doesn't matter if you get drunk / eat carbs, just takes however much time to go through that amount of calories. Anecdotally I think it works, I mostly follow this ''diet" accidentally and I also accidentally do "intermittent fasts" because I'm just not hungry.
>no carbs makes me poop less often, which is cleaner and morally superior

>>76245104
>can you name 3 consistent, year-round sources of carbs for pre-agrarian humans?
that's the thing, there's LOTS of different ones that pop up seasonally. You can eat different foods at different times of the year. Different roots have different seasons, which keeps a rotation of carbs year round. Dandelion root in the early spring, onion late spring, jerusalem artichoke in the summer, rutabaga in the fall, water lily root in the early winter, cambium in the late winter.
>balanced diet is the worst thing for you. Google Randle cycle.
grifter shilling you things, just like the rest of the carnivore diet
>Why eat something with antinutrients in the first place?
There's very few plants with enough antinutrients to destroy vitamins in your body, most people don't eat those ones. The tiny amount in any plants is destroyed during cooking, a process primarily for the purpose of making sugar more available
>Why eat something with oxalates in the first place?
Meat still has oxalates, just fewer, drink some fucking water nigga
>Nobody said anything about losing weight
lots of carnivore shills do, don't know what you're getting at here
>Fat participates in a gorillion vital bodily functions not just muh ketones. Fat intake is non-negotiable regardless of what else you eat.
so we agree that a balanced diet is better, got it
I accept your concession

>>76245356
So you grand theory of prehistoric human nutrition is that the BULK of their calories came from...dandelions, onions (wild, uncultivated onions are basically grass with no bulb), and artichokes (which were cultivated a few thousand years ago)? And these cavemen had a sophisticated system of I guess cycling and migration tied to the seasonal harvest of these wild plants, and they also magically knew about the necessity of cooking to avoid antinutrients and drank a lot of water (which they got from prehistoric plastic bottles and tap) to not die from oxalates.

Or they just ate meat.

>>76244643 (OP)
Because it isnt woke/politically correct like vegan faggotry.

>>76245402
>you didn't list every single edible plant dumbass
You can also eat and store wild grain anon, put on your thinking cap I know you can do it! Nobody has said they ONLY ate plants. Just usually more plant than meat. That whole "balanced diet" thing you keep hearing about?

>>76244693
you spittin nigga ngl

>>76245402
>So you grand theory of prehistoric human nutrition is that the BULK of their calories came from...
carbs anon, there is a lot of wild carbs, our prehistoric ancestors were hunter-GATHERERS, what do you think they were gathering? animals that just happened to die and lay around? Even in my kinda fucked up climatically part of the world there are wild fruit that are available until late fall/early winter, multiple year around starchy root plants like cattails, whole shit of edible greens we just stopped eating because they don't really taste that good if you are not starving, chestnuts and acorns (yes, those are edible), wild grains and so on which our stinky forebearers would gather and store for the worst months
>And these cavemen had a sophisticated system of I guess cycling and migration tied to the seasonal harvest of these wild plants,
they literally did, it's a common archeological knowledge gained from site studies, what did you think "nomadic" means?
>and they also magically knew about the necessity of cooking to avoid antinutrients
no magic there, if you eat something and get sick/die you don't eat it again, if you then throw it into a fire because "plant bad" and some idiot eats it anyway and not get sick/die from eating it you know you should throw it into a fire next before eating, trial and error over thousands of years
>and drank a lot of water
there wasn't much else to drink around
>(which they got from prehistoric plastic bottles and tap)
my bet is on a proto stanley cup made of mammoth foreskin
>to not die from oxalates.
it is literally impossible to eat enough of anything containing those to die, worst you would get from overeating plants rich in oxalates is kidney stones and believe me, no one overate anything, food was scarce, hunger was common
>Or they just ate meat.
they did that too, but to give you an idea about the proportions try chasing down a fruit vs an animal

>>76244643 (OP)
It's a retarded meme diet shilled by grifters. The only halfway positives things about it are that it's high protein and forces you to cut out candy, but you could've also accomplished that while eating like a normal person

>>76245402
>names three examples
>HAH, so you think those are the ONLY THINGS those people ate?
/fit/'s intellectual elite is in full showing today

>>76244643 (OP)
because its a fad diet criated in the states and only americans subscribe to it
fad diet are stupid and taking dietician advice from americans is like taking advice from monks on how to pick up women

>>76244860
This. Also they have no epistemic standards and will ignore high quality controlled epidemiology that spans millions of people showing how important vegetables/fiber are for our health. Yet then cite anecdotal evidence and pointing to our "ancestors" as high quality evidence(a form of observational epidemiology).

>>76244860
>But muh ancestors
>Mostly ate carbs and ate meat opportunistically
Grain didn't got domesticated until 10k years ago
Guess how old homo sapiens are?
Not 10k years, much older.
Love me some modern slop and me grains, but factually speaking homo sapiens did hunt and consume animals as their main source of food, while picking berries and honey if they had the chance.
Also you have to consider that in the last 10 000 years all of the mega fauna died out.

>>76244901
Wdym "in the long run?"

You do know every human on Earth is fucked in the long run, right?

seeing the veganschizo go into a seething rage is hilarious
more so than the never-keto guy

>>76246004
you realize that domesticated grains came from undomesticated grains right

>>76246004
>there are no wild grains
It's actually just about the season right now you could go outside and see lots of wild grains yourself, or at least the flowers. Literally go touch grass.

>>76244643 (OP)
The people promoting Carnivore including the Snake Diet guy have jumped ship to the literal opposite diet and now eat the "Sugar Diet" no fat, no protein lol.

You have been grifted lmao

https://youtu.be/5nLpifg0N6M?si=OZIeVcLBEgvWCMxh

>>76246418
>my dietary choices depend on what youtube niggers do
Maybe stop projecting your brainrotted lifestyle on others?

>>76246004
idk how youd even fit in grains in your diet i eat 2000 calories just getting enough protein youd have to move a shitton

>>76246427
Dude...just take the L. Your hero led you astray...how many Slingshot's TM did you buy? The carnivore guru explains why sugar is King now:

https://youtu.be/FY_BywR5Ds4?si=7i0EVjesYtF-fRcu

>>76246442
What the fuck are you talking about retard

>>76246448
I'm talking about you being a stupid fucking goyim that fell for a grifting meme and now those grifting jews have flipped and said "actually pure sugar is healthy and will get you RIPPED" and you're left being mocked and ridiculed by everyone with an IQ over 100 who knows not to follow beyond retarded meme diets. Kys worthless nigger cattle. You'll be on Mark Bells honey and sour patch kids sugar fast by next week.

>>76246479
>balanced diet

>>76246479
>brings jewtubers outta fucking nowhere
>starts talking about sugar diet outta fucking nowhere
What sort of mental disability is this?

>>76244814
>tfw suffer from hemochromatosis

it was over before it began for me iron chads

>>76246521
Yeah man, colorful-time-blood is gay as fuck.

>>76244643 (OP)
>Eat ur veg chewsday in it wah-a-bah-oh
Is the pinnacle of health advise.
Nobody is taught anything about micronutrients and macronutrients, and advertisement agencies are the source of all available information in the world

>>76246508
What kind of mental deficient are you? You're probably in your 20s, following Carnivore because you saw it on Rogan. I guarantee you won't follow carnivore for the rest of your life, lifetime carnivore adherence is literaly 0 percent. Even retarded fruititarian vegans have higher adherence percentage. No human only eats carnivore forever, you'll be on the next meme within a year or two.

>>76246548
I'll let you fight the good fight against the phantom you built in your mind. You can do it, bro!

>>76246004
Homo Sapiens, Neanderthal Man, Homo Erectus and Denovisian are omnivores. I'm sorry this is just a fact. Once we hit the hominid stage and branched off from our common ancestor of felines and cannids we just don't don't evolve from any true predators. Evolutionary biology 101 retard. Read a text book instead of watching YouTube. This is why I'm relentlessly mocking you for following Mark Bell, and laughing at you jumping on his next fad, pure sugar diet.

>>76244643 (OP)
There's nothing wrong with eating potatoes or Bush's Baked Beans.

>>76246548
such a retarded take at worst you crash and eat some rice or whatever, fruitarians are degenerates that are weak. just idiotic.

intersectionality between women, vegans, jeets and anti-masculinity wokesters and NWO

>>76244901
You know what else is made of red meat?
Literally you.

>>76244840
>lie about fructose and declare yourself right
>not retarded
Fructose is digestible unless you're some weak filtered gay that can't absorb it for some reason. You can go play grabass with the peanut allergy kids and die.

>>76246944
>Yes, the human body can utilize fructose, but it's not directly used as an energy source by most cells like glucose is. Instead, fructose needs to be converted to other forms, primarily in the liver, before it can be used for energy or stored.
aka your body cannot use fructose but has a limited capacity to convert it into other, actually decent sugars. Enjoy your fatty liver disease.
>burning energy to make energy

>>76246957
Wait... Isn't the whole point of ketosis, which is a big part of carnivore, that your body transforms things in liver and such into other nourishing things? Since you eat almost no glucose. If "how easily your body utilizes a thing" is the thing that matters then you should be advocating that we eat ONLY glucose.

>>76245288
>CICO => CO doesn't change.
it does and this is retarded in the first place because not every calorie is the same. your body doesn't need 300g of carbs.

your body can easily survive on 1500 calories of meat + fat if your regular intake is 2500 calories, since fat is much more energy dense and protein contains more nutrients + vitamins + amino acids. The majority of the bread / grain shit you eat just gets flushed out of your body anyways.

>>76244643 (OP)
meat literally rots in your gut, it can puncture holes on the wall linings because when it rots it releases toxins.
and then you die from cancer.

you carnitards are retarded as fuck.
there is no debate, meat especially red meat will fucking kill you
>source
ASK EVERY DOCTOR YOU FUCKING MORONS

>>76245288
No the basic premise is that YouTube diet book salesmen have convinced people that broccoli and spinach are toxic with literally every single piece of evidence against them, and then unhappy and unfulfilled people flal for it because they feel like they've found some kind of hidden truth nobody else has and they make it their entire personality and scream at people on reddit and 4chan about how them eating an apple isn't "ancestral" and is really killing them

>>76244830
it's called the vertical diet because your cholesterol and glucose will rise vertically
haha

I will never underestimate fiber after having a horribly bloody anal fissure and constipation so bad I had to wrench a turd out of my asshole

>>76248212
I'm on 4 months of carnivore (0 fiber except some small amounts of onions / fruits every so often) and I have had 0 problems shitting. In fact the occasional stomach pains I had while going to the bathroom are completely gone.

>>76248266
Good for you, I hope for your sake it stays that way.

>>76244643 (OP)
>Why is carnivore diet so controversial?
Because it kills gains and its advocates here are a cult who think anyone who takes issue with it is a 'vegan leftist' and they refuse to post body

Because people are retarded. Ketogenic diets have existed for decades, then it becomes trendy, so retards on both sides make it seem retarded. You get "butter steaks" retards on one end, then vegan faggots on the other both making ketogenic diets look retarded.

In short, social media ruins everything and makes everyone a retard.

>>76248202
Yeah, man, all those people who suffered horribly blocked arteries from white rice and carrots.

Because human beings are a type of hominid, which are an omnivorous family

The hominid family broadly has a varied diet, with everything from fruits and berries, to roots and leaves, to meat and dairy when they have access to it

You are not a big cat, or a wolf, you are a hominid

>>76248266
>carnivore
>onions and fruits

>>76248564
>1/4 of an onion, cooked with each lb of ground beef (because I like the flavor and texture)
>some mangoes in the last 2 weeks from a tree in my backyard that would've otherwise spoiled
my diet is still 98% meat / dairy. yes carnivore

>>76248401
>butter, red meat, and empty carbs are actually le GOOD for you
lmao. only gymbros.

>>76248580
>things nobody said
OK bro

>>76248576
>Pepsi is really water because only 2% of it is coloring and sugar
Okay

>>76244643 (OP)
The human body is designed to absorb everything, including meat and plants.

>>76248605
I'm gonna eagerly await for your nobel-prize winning discovery of humans who can break down fiber

>>76248580
>empty carbs
Anyone who says this is a pseud

>>76248693
Fiber feeds out gut bacter who release SCFA which we do absorb and which are vital for health

>>76248602
>im more puritan about the diet you're following (even though i'm not) than you are
k

>>76248740
>Words don't have definitions.
OK bro

>>76248723
>swallow a corn seed
>it comes out pristine and unmolested from my ass
I guess those magical gut bacteria dont like corn

>>76249185
There are different types of fiber. The casing of corn is made from cellulose, which humans can't digest. There are various other types of fibers that do ferment in the gut and provide short chain fatty acids that feed gut bacteria.

>>76244643 (OP)
It's controversial because it works despite contradicting everything that appointed experts say.

If you eat only meat you will be perfectly healthy and most "incurable" diseases will go away.
If you eat only plants you will get weaker and weaker until you either quit or die.

It really is that simple. There's nothing to debate when results are so glaringly obvious.

>>76249250
>If you eat only meat you will be perfectly healthy and most "incurable" diseases will go away.
Please provide empirical evidence for your claims.

>>76244814
>no pork or poultry so we can include the "le beef red meat diet" American larp
>white rice getting some mysterious pass even though literally every single kind in nature is better than white on every single metric that a diet would include rice for
>orange juice and coke included as "healthy drinks" even though they're both sugar water
>anal about everything but no mention of how most chocolate you'd buy is worse than anything else this chart tries to avoid
>fish section has no salmon and tuna because "no fatty fish" when fatty fish are the best possible ones nutritionally for athletes
>worships generally cheap bought-in-bags crustaceans and mollusks instead???

What kind of fucking larp chart is this
It's like it was made to appeal to someone that only shops at costco instead of actually being based on any nutritional tenets

>>76244693
Hunters probably make the association, most people don't hunt.

>>76245288
The logic is more that you're inducing a different energy producing cycle in your body, one that (running entirely on fat) is less efficient and thus would ideally burn more body fat.
The point isn't that you'd be magically bypassing CICO, it's more that since your body has to go through the process of body fat conversion constantly and it won't consume protein first for energy, then it is encouraged to prioritize fat stores (thus consuming more calories in the inefficient conversion than if you were eating carbs)

It's also why keto tends to feel like shit, you're running your entire body on auxiliary power because it burns more energy trying to make do.
It DOES work faster than simply dieting, even on the same calories. It's just a lot of effort and unsustainable in the long term.

>>76244643 (OP)
>Humans 75,000 years ago
>animal products
Holy shit
XD

>>76247910
>not every calorie is the same
not every molecule is the same* and some molecules provide more energy than others by mass*
Once the molecule has been metabolised, the energy it's made is the same i.e. 100 calories of sugar ~= 100 calories of protein. In the case of sugar, that energy is used to convert glucose into amino acids, and in the case of protein it's already ready (once digested) to be used as amino acids. This is why 100g of protein is ~400 calories while 100g of sugar is on ~380 calories, energy is spent from the sugar to metabolise it into other things. This is all a gross oversimplification of things of course.
You're also correct about different food sources containing different vitamins and minerals, but that has nothing to do with energy expenditure. To boot, almost all water soluble vitamins you eat get pissed out, that's how that works.

>>76244643 (OP)
The thing carnitards (and most people) don't realize is that obligate carnivores in nature are extremely rare. Even obligate herbivores are rare, as many assumed herbivores have been documented eating smaller animals on occasion. Given human physiology and anatomy, the chances of us ever being obligatory carnivores en masse in our species' history is pretty much zero. Most animals will eat whatever is their species' balance of availability and digestability, and that goes especially so for humans. The fact that our bodies are capable of detoxifying plant compounds that can poison thousands of other mammals is telling in and of itself.

>>76244814
>treats
>seafood
lol
>>76244820
this one is dogshit and always has been

>>76244693
Clearly you have never felt real hunger. When I am actually hungry, I will salivate thinking about eating raw fish. I look at a dog and think about biting into it. Fruit is an easy carb-loaded sugar treat that your brain will always tell you to eat even if you aren't that hungry.

>>76248599
see
>>76244830

>>76244645
you mean petroleum jelly?

>>76244826
>cottage cheap

>>76246418
Cole was never a carnivore guy. He was a fasting guy and had a bunch of variations on it. And no I’m not a carnivore guy, either. Get out of ur vegan echo chamber occasionally

>>76244643 (OP)
Carnivore is just a more retarded version of paleo diet. Think our ancestors didn't eat every fruit and berry they could get their hands on?

carnivore has helped a lot with my adhd and work ethic albeit there are drawbacks (muscles look more flat, face is kind of sickly looking).
It seems like when I eat fruit and carbs I am a less efficient worker and more ADHD brained but handsome face wise.

>>76252563
>hmmm delicious fruits

>>76252988
Correct. Paleolithic man ate 100+ grams of fiber a day As evidence from fossilized feces we have found.

>>76252988
this just shows that we bred the health out of fruit and vegetables
>less fibre
>less micronutrients
All for profit-maxxing

>>76253165
And we didn't do the same to animals? The entire purpose of animal agriculture is to overfeed them an unnatural diet of grains and corn so that they become obese because fatty meat is tastier. It's the exact same thing we've done to plants,

>>76253192
Oh yeah I agree, but the infographic is acting like those fruits and veggies aren't edible
But I'm thinking not only are they edible they are also more healthy

And personally I would rather eat those plants than offal/game meat

>>76253199
Oh, okay. I'm sorry that I misinterpreted your post.

>>76244643 (OP)
Eat mostly meat if you want, but you need other things to feed your gut biome
t.Ekberg

>>76244643 (OP)
They don't make much money out of carnivores. Besides goyslope makes you dumb and retarded.

>>76249925
This

>>76249925
>>76253520
how did the first hunter know that meat would taste yummy

>>76253550
His instincts told him. Something most c*vilized people are completely out of touch with.

>>76244643 (OP)
>my body is designed
I'll stop you right there, famalam