Whenever I talk to runners they say something like "oh yeah bro we are made to run, we aren't the best distance runners for nothing", wtf do they mean by that? Sledge dogs for example can literally run more and faster than us in ANY given time frame. When did this meme start?

>>76251460 (OP)
Can they?

>>76251468
Yeah, those fuckers run for 10 hours near double the human sustain speed for long distance runs.

>>76251460 (OP)
a properly trained human can run (leisurely paced) continuously for over 24 hours, dogs cannot do this, infact basically no animals except humans can do this.

>>76251473
>the 24 hour cope
Once again sledge dogs beat you in this given time frame.
The world record HUMAN run for 24 hours is 198 miles, sledge dogs can EASILY smash this knowing the fact that they run about 15 miles per hour for 10 hours in races, they have more than enough time to rest 10 hours then run again 4 hours smashing the world record easily.

>>76251473
the record is actually 80 hours continuously, 348 miles (560km)

>>76251480
see
>>76251482

>>76251480
There is not situtaion where a dog will naturally do this, and you're also talking about the arctic, if a race was done in even a moderately warm climate, a dog will overheat quickly.

>>76251486
Even in an 80 hour time frame they will outrun a human, I don't think you fully understand just how SLOW that pace was for 80 hours, that human was running at 4.35 miles per hour, if we do the math husky can just run 15 miles per hour for 10 hours giving 150 miles, then rest for an ENTIRE DAY (24 hours) then run yet again 10 hours giving 300 miles in total with 54 hours clocked, then REST ANOTHER 20 FUCKING HOURS and giving 74 hours clocked in total then run about 4 hours at 15 miles per hour smashing that world record, you literally can't beat these things in any given time frame. It had DAYS to rest and still broke the world record length in that given time frame with more than 2 hours to spare.

running long distances is not normal that's why your brain says stop. running is a mental illness and treadmills are mental asylums

>>76251495
This is a pointless comment and we both know it anon, might as well say "oh welll b-but if the human was in the artic butt naked they would also lose!!111!"

>>76251460 (OP)
Most retarded cope of all time.
Destroy and stress your body by running for no reason other than to look like a raisin already in your late 30s.

Why the fuck would you try to put down the ability of your fellow man over some fucking dogs. How lame

>>76251508
Powerfatter cope. You can't even run 1km without getting a heart attack

>>76251501
So what's the point of you posting your undebatable theoretical claim then? There's no point

>>76251501
no its not, do most dogs and people live in the arctic?
Spoiler: they don't.

>>76251511
If my fellow man is a fucking fraud claiming victory over the animal kingdom under very EXTREMELY specific circumstances like "oh yeah bro we are the best runners when it comes to uhhhh running in hot weather while jogging slowly and running on two legs while there is a blood moon out while...etc" like this anon >>76251518
im going to call them out for it because animals exist that will outperform us in ANY given time frame, no matter if its a sprint or long distance run

>>76251495
>There is not situtaion where a dog will naturally do this,
Damn dog you got me, I guess human naturally run 200 miles all the time in nature. All the time.

>>76251524
bro , there are literally africans right now performing what is known as persistence hunting, where they chase an animal down until it becomes exhausted and kill it. it works against almost all mammals. The ability to do this is unique to humans, and just because some dog living in the fucking arctic can out run a human , doesn't mean that humans aren't good distance runners. if you hadn't noticed DISTANCE is not the same as SPEED you fucking retard.

>>76251460 (OP)
>Whenever I talk to runners they say something like
let me guess, these are all internet conversations?

>>76251531
You ever stopped to think that there's a reason there's so few examples of persistence hunting and whatever example it is, is a negro tribe? Do you honestly think chasing down an animal that can run 40-60 mph is a good idea or in anyway efficient? If you used your brain you'd realize how moronic persistence hunting is, even a pack of wolves can come up with smarter tactics.

>>76251531
>just because some dog living in the fucking arctic can out run a human , doesn't mean that humans aren't good distance runners.
Correct, just because they can run a longer DISTANCE with more SPEED aswell doesn't mean that humans are bad distance runners.

>>76251540
its actually very efficient, because humans require very few calories to travel the same distance, and the reward is more than worth it. also good luck organizing an ambush being a nigger on the Savannah , you stick out like a sore thumb.

>>76251541
they can't run a longer distance without rest. and in literally any other climate they would lose to a human in the same period of time.

>>76251541
>>76251543
>if you hadn't noticed DISTANCE is not the same as SPEED you fucking retard.
Can't you read you caveman??? They can outrun as at ANY GIVEN T I M E F R A M E

>>76251547
incorrect, if it isn't the arctic the dog will lose.

>>76251553
read >>76251498

>>76251547
this. 4 legs are really not as efficient as 2 over very long distances. you can also bring food and water along. the dog also has no sweat glands. so its not the arctic 8t would easily overheat.

>>76251543
There's a million things you could do that would be better than running it down till it collapses, sure, some of it involve wearing it down, but not the entire damn premise. You can lead it into a trap, you can shoot an arrow at them, throw a spear, throw a slingshot, you can surround it, etc., either these negroes are so dumb they can't think of these tacts or it's just some runnerkeks propaganda to make retards think humans are built for running marathons.

>>76251543
>Multiple people running for miles to kill a deer or two is efficient, it's actually MORE efficient than surrounding some fuckers and throwing rocks or sticks and collecting one that dies
You're a half step away from saying humans developed the brains we have for collecting fruit off the ground.

>>76251560
a dog wouldn't make it much more than 100miles before its fucked in the summer heat, it would be moving much slower than a human for most of it too. your math is irrelevant because its wrong.

>>76251567
africans have the same avg brain volume as late homo erectus, so no I don't think they developed brains picking fruit off the ground, persistance hunting yes though, a whole gazelle provides way more calories than the energy needed to chase it.

>>76251571
What the fuck are you babbling about you troglodyte??? Who said anything about running in the summer heat? Imagine actively putting your opponent in a disadvantaged situation and claiming victory, this is like saying "oh yeah bro I could beat prime Mike Tyson if he had his kneecaps busted by Japanese gangsters 2 minutes before our fight, that would be a totally fair and square win" would you stand a chance butt naked running against them in the artic cold?

>>76251579
putting a human in -15C degree vs a dog is far more ridiculous, so you suck my ass.

the fact is that the longer any supposed race is the human has a greater chance of winning, and if the temp is >10C , the chance of the dog winning plummets dramatically, because they cannot radiate heat like humans can.

>>76251579
this is what you are doing, actually
>in this one specific scenario the dog might be better at distance running than humans
>(not that I'd have proof or anything but it is my firm believe and nothing anyone says can convince me otherwise)

Humans are best at it because they can do it well in any situation.

>>76251587
Im talking about them running in their seperate optimal environment and seeing who would win in any given time frame, dummy.

>>76251594
You're putting the dog in a situation where it cannot overheat, thus getting rid of the biggest advantage humans have over other animals.
It's like comparing two CPUs but you actually cooled
>Dur hur, the one that didn't overheat is better

>>76251597
>admits humans get beaten when both the human and opponent are in optimal environments because they need them to be in bad conditions to win
I accept your concession

>>76251605
In the one situation you claim humans are second place, we domesticated and enslaved the winners and made them our adorable best friends

Another W for mankind

>>76251594
>>76251605
if you gave the human a coat, I think the dog would still lose in the arctic if the race was long enough, purely because they would expend too much energy, and starve to death.

>>76251470
Only ten hours?

Would a horse not be able to outrun a human?

>>76251616
>t. """"""""""""""runs"""""""""""""" 24 hours at 8 miles per hour pace

We went over this already frog boi

>>76251622
Nigger, I'm not reading the entire thread before responding.

a whale will out swim a human in water. 70% of the earth is covered in water so therefore the whale is the faster creature. this is what muh running environment fags sound like
t. bigbrain

>>76251605
Have all contestants run in all environments and see in how many environments a contestant wins.
Humans are functionally best long distance runners because they can beat the competition in most environments. This is what matters in nature.

>>76251647

>>76251647
see >>76251638
big fish win
human lose
sorry not sorry!

>>76251650
Where's you tard rage now? This was my first post in the thread, don't stop baiting now.

>>76251638

>>76251460 (OP)
>Whenever I talk to runners they say something like "oh yeah bro we are made to run, we aren't the best distance runners for nothing", wtf do they mean by that? Sledge dogs for example can literally run more and faster than us in ANY given time frame. When did this meme start?


this was op's post before he tried unfucking his argument by moving goal posts, humans are better distance runners for most of the earth's landmass, and that is why people say humans are built for running.

>>76251654
read what this anon said you moving goal posts coward >>76251638

>>76251657
>reddit spacing

>>76251621
no

>The Man versus Horse Marathon is an annual race over 21 miles (34 km), where runners compete against riders on horseback through a mix of road, trail and mountainous terrain.
>last 2 wins were humans

>>76251576
running for miles does not require brain capable of anything more than telling the legs to run

Also no, a 70lbs gazelle is not enough calories to support chasing gazelle for miles at a time.
A 150lbs deer has roughly 55lbs of meat on it, 33%
A 70lbs gazelle would have 23lbs of meat, if each pound of meat has 600 calories, you end up with 13800Calories, feeding ONE person who didn't exercise for 6.9 days, or feeding a family of four adults for 2 days.

Assume they have to run 3 miles before the gazelle collapses and dies. That's an extra 350Cal per person, unless it's a one person on a solo hunt providing for the other 3, meaning they need to chase down a gazelle every other day just to survive.

You likely have more humans trying to survive together which need more calories, you're probably not going to be able to get more than 1 gazelle per chase as they'll all scatter and you'll pick the slowest one.

It's not efficient.
You can kill a lot of fat birds by walking around slowly throwing rocks or by surrounding some slightly bigger shit and throwing rocks or sticks.

>>76251688
>horse had a faster time than the last 2 human winners
brutal stuff man

>>76251689
>also no, a 70lbs gazelle is not enough calories to support chasing gazelle for miles at a time

actually it is because they litterally do that to survive, you're math is wrong somewhere , otherwise they would all be dead hundreds of thousands of years ago.

>>76251688
34km is pretty short.

>>76251712
Post which tribes do this, post their diet and their methods, post the numbers.
You can't just say "Niggers exist" and expect people to believe it.

>>76251728
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_people

>>76251689
>70lbs gazelle would have 23lbs of meat, if each pound of meat has 600 calories, you end up with 13800Calories, feeding ONE person who didn't exercise for 6.9 days, or feeding a family of four adults for 2 days
anon I think you are forgetting that animals like gorillas spend 8hours a day finding food. so that is actually pretty good.

>>76251470
>>76251460 (OP)
You're missing a huge part in this.

The dogs have to literally be rested regularly though.
The dogs can run 10 hours a day, but they can't run 10 hours non-stop a day they will die.
You can research this yourself, the dogs are often run 4-5 hours and rested for 4-5 hours.
Humans can actually run for up to 80hours and 44 minutes as the current record without stopping.

So if those dogs run 5 hours at 20mph with a 5 hour break after we are looking at 100 miles over ten hours.
While the longest recorded distance a human has ever run in 10 hours is 119 miles.

Human actually beats the dog.
Where the dog beats us is that when the dog has rested again, it can go the exact same speed it did before.
Meanwhile the human only gets slower as he continues to run.

For continuous runs, humans beat out nearly every single animal on the planet and has been proven time and time again.
We simply fail because most animals recover faster in much shorter time frames.

>>76251743
No.

>>76251761
they exhaust the animal first before killing it, or at least they did historically. obviously in the modern era it has fallen out of favor ,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting

>>76251540
It is quite efficient, albeit cumbersome. Most animals tire WAY more quickly than humans and can only run fast for a few minutes max, so if you hunt in an open place where you can see animals from far away, you can keep running after an animal and it will stop being able to run away after a few hours. Assume it takes 800 kcal per hour for you to run continuously (which is actually a lot; for a small-framed African runner 600 would be more realistic) and you have to hunt a deer for four hours until it drops dead from exhaustion. You've then used 3200 kcal to kill it, but the meat on a whole deer carcass has over 50000 kcal, which means that you've made a 15x gain with your energy "investment". The main problems with persistence hunting are:

a) if you lose sight of the animal, all your effort was for nothing, so you can only do it in open terrain and
b) you usually eventually kill the animal in a place far from home, which means that you have to carry it home over many kilometres,

which is why most civilizations stopped doing it as soon as they developed decent hunting weapons like bows.

>>76251547
The vast, vast majority of land animals can't. Outliers like sledge dogs and horses can under very specific circumstances, but most animals have no chance. The main reason for that is because they can't sweat and thus only cool down very inefficiently, which means that they can only run fast for a few minutes at a time, after which they have to cool down, giving you ample time to catch up.

>>76251787
>Outliers like sledge dogs and horses can under very specific circumstances
as stated early in thread this only depends on how many hours anyways.
depending on which hour it is, the horses/dogs beat the human, but on the other hour the human beats the horse/dogs.
Until it comes full circle to the horses/dogs beating the human again.

>>76251498
They can only do that in the Arctic where they have no cooling problems. Try that in a hot or moderate climate and a sledge dog will collapse from overheating in less than half an hour, simply because they can't sweat and have to rely on panting, which only works efficiently in cool, dry air.

>>76251495
I’ve chased coyotes and my sprint speed is prettt much their lazy lope looking backward speed and they can sustain it for a hell of a lot longer, maybe hours bc they weigh nearly nothing

>>76251500
only sane comment in the entire thread

>>76251809
humans aren't good at sprinting, when they say "running" they mean a brisk jog, humans can sustain that longer than a dog can. even coyotes get tired eventually. but it doesn't really matter because this thread is really fucking stupid anyway.

>>76251689
They eat the offal and the fat too. And probably run a bit more efficiently than that.

>>76251809
>>76251830
have you considered that neither of you are in any way peak physical condition or even close?

an adult male should be able to run 10 miles and sprint for an entire mile.

>>76251792
>They can only do that in the Arctic where they have no cooling problems.
Have you tried brazilian waxing the dogs?

>>76251460 (OP)
The persistence hunting meme really filters the people who just take in and regurtitate popsci like npcs and the people with actual brains who can think for one second and realize how untenable persistence hunting is. Even the most rudimentary tactics and basic tools would make persistence hunting pointless and even deadly because while your retarded ass is running marathons to catch a gazelle another tribe is using their brain to formulate strategies and create tools. Get it through your dumb nigger brains skulls, humans get mogged physically in every single way by other animals, what humans can do is think and communicate.

>>76251911
>Get it through your dumb nigger brains skulls, humans get mogged physically in every single way by other animals, what humans can do is think and communicate.
and throw with accuracy
Not for nothing though we do have a lot of endurance, sure the persistence hunting thing is overplayed but people can work at pretty much any repetitive task for hours without pooping out and that helps build civilization