Women don't care about your shoulder to waist ratio. They do care if you have a bobble head that's ridiculously large for your body. If you have this issue with your frame there's absolutely no point working out.

>>76263974 (OP)
The ideal range is 2.8 to 3.0 untrained and 3.0 to 3.4 trained.

Nigga go outside

Women don't care about anything except for money

>>76264023
It's larger than this. Women don't care about anything except social status, which is brought by money, but it's also brought by other things.

>>76264023
Then why do women fuck broke guys literally all the time, especially young women

>>76263974 (OP)
post the full body photo of the guy on the right

>>76264023
Social skills > socioeconomic success > physical appearance.

>>76264031
because that anon is bitter about being alone and needs to find some scapegoat for his problems that isn't the fact he's simply unlikeable
Solutions to this problem include but are not limited to
>Improve your personality
>Grow comfortable with your own company
>Develop hobbies and interests
or as anon has discovered
>Improve your social status through means of money
(or any combination of these things, they are not mutually exclusive)

>>76264039

And by social skills you mean not autistic to the point of disability

>>76263974 (OP)
so there is hope for low facial bonemass dudes

>>76264060
It's easier for men with smaller heads to look aesthetic if they work out

>>76263974 (OP)
Is demotivational poster, just ignore is untruth

That statement is a strong opinion, but it doesn’t hold up when you break it down. Let’s take it piece by piece:

1. Women do care about shoulder-to-waist ratio.
While individual preferences vary, research and evolutionary psychology have shown that many women are subconsciously attracted to the "V-taper"—broad shoulders and a narrower waist. This signals:

Strength
Good health
Higher testosterone

So no, working out to improve your shoulder-to-waist ratio does matter for many people, both aesthetically and functionally.

2. "Bobble head" proportions do exist—but it's not a death sentence.
Yes, some people have proportions where the head appears large relative to the shoulders. This is often due to:

Narrow clavicles (genetics)
Low muscle mass
Low body fat (makes the head look bigger)

But that doesn’t mean working out is useless. In fact, training shoulders, traps, and upper back can help balance out proportions visually, even if the head stays the same size.

3. Saying “no point working out” is a defeatist take.
Working out:

Improves posture
Enhances health
Increases confidence
Boosts testosterone and mood
Adds muscle mass, which can help balance body proportions

Even if your frame is naturally narrow, building muscle can dramatically change your appearance—just look at transformation photos of naturally skinny guys who trained intelligently over a few years.

Bottom Line
If you feel like you have a “bobble head” look, the best thing you can do is:

Focus on compound lifts (especially overhead press, rows, lateral raises)

Eat to support muscle growth

Develop traps, delts, and upper back to create width

Stand tall (posture matters!)

Writing yourself off because of one proportion is like quitting a race before you’ve even trained. You can definitely improve your physique—even dramatically—with consistent effort.

If you want a customized workout to broaden your upper frame, I’d be happy to help you build one.

>>76264074

Thanks chatgpt

>>76264074
The niggas in the photo have trained and are even on roids nigga. They still look comical.

>>76264107
you have body dysmorphia
They don't look GREAT sure, but they look fine

>>76264056
Something like that, yes.

>>76264107
>>76264112
The left one from OP-pic is a gigachad

>>76263974 (OP)

>guys! women are attracted to the celtic rune, OP (fag) and penis look!

>>76263974 (OP)
i have a big ass head. i've been told so since i was a little kid. have never had any issues getting women. also working out would make your shoulders and rest of your body bigger, thus improving the ratio. so your advice is fucking moronic.

>>76264289
He doesn't look like a gigachad he looks weird

>>76263974 (OP)
Kek it's a camera angle thing lmao. The first guy is obviously leaning forward towards the camera to try and look bigger, that's why his head looks huge

genuine big heads are rare, most people's heads are average sized - hence why average is average. the only big heads I really see are on 300lbs lards, but even theirs would shrink down if they lost weight

>>76264298
>>76264362
Also "untrained chad" isn't even untrained, the guy literally goes to the fucking gym

>>76264289
left looks way too wide, like some ark SE character creation shit

>>76263974 (OP)
Women care about men that behave like men, ie they are ambitious and achieve socially.
t. small head haver

>>76263974 (OP)
Incel thread #48393934444

Nonetheless, I hope it helped you to have sex