>Abu Yusupov dead at 39: "Undefeated" boxer stabbed to death after altercation in train station in Berlin

It's amazing how years of boxing experience, fights won and titles can be nullified by a DYEL with a knife and zero fighting experience.

>>76270799 (OP)
Well, combat sports don't work in a street fight unless
>you are 100% sure those steet fights follow your sport's rules
>bodyweight is about the same
>sobriety is about the same
Ngl, that absolutely can happen, because anything can happen in a real fight. And then you win. But there's no guarantee. In fact, you could say it's rather unlikely a thug or mugger will look for a victim of his own size and strength to have a fair test of strength.

But anywa,y yeha, lots of stories like this. Judo medalist getting beaten up in Rio. Amir Khan getting beaten in Birmingham. Ricky Hatton mugged in China. There's that BJJ world champ getting choked out by a bouncer who did Systema and Krav. There's that story about Anthony Smith's home invasion. Kickboxers getting killed in clubs. Wrestlers getting 1-hit killed by bouncers in Germany. And so on. I should make a collage out of it someday.

classic europoor moment

>>76270799 (OP)
>first few sessions with my boxing coach
>friend of mine asked if boxing is good for a street fight
>obviously says yes but
>pulls sleeve back revealing a gnarly scar up his arm
>"it's better to avoid street fights"

>>76270799 (OP)
I have no idea what happened but if I had to guess, some MMA manlet who thinks he's tough shit couldnt help but to run his mouth and start his tough guy routine over nothing with some nigger who didnt give a fuck

>>76270854
This is pretty common amongst boxer with unwarranted self importance and churkas

>>76270823
You seem to be knowledgable, you should do a collage.
I'm planning on doing one about roidtrannies.

>>76270799 (OP)
Another factor is celebrity. Not just in being a famous boxer, but even just letting others on to the fact that you're trained in some martial art at all makes you a 200x more likely target. Hide your power level and avoid street fights and any situations that can result in street fights as much as you can, no matter what you train.

>>76270926
Lots of guys who practice combat sports should be more humble, unless they want to be humbled (permanently).

>>76270799 (OP)
> - ov
Good, one less piece of trash on this planet.

>>76271021
What's your problem

>>76270854
>>76270866
Yeah sure a successful boxer has nothing better to do than instigate shit with the peaceful "new Germans".

>>76270799 (OP)
the only people that market martial arts for self defense are fools and morons

>>76271106
Smells like nafotroons itt, defending hypothetical niggers.

>>76270823
And yet there are practically countless examples to the contrary, even those that walk all over the three conditions that you've listed.
Nothing is 100%, however combat sports will help your survival odds. Especially compared to the alternative

>>76270823
>BJJ world champ getting choked out by a bouncer who did Systema and Krav.

dont forget that bjj fighter who got shot in the back of the head and that other one who got killed by a pick up driver due to road ragr.
Martial arts isnt for self defense maybe 200-300 years ago but it's just for sport to keep you healthy similar to aristotles(or marcus aurelius', dont remember which) belief that "wrestling is healthy and entertaining but that does not mean everyone should wrestle"

>>76271106
He's jewish

>>76271106
he hasnt GOONED to BLACKED ANAL BBC in 3 days he's having widthdrawls

>>76270879
>>76270823
>wasting time on collages when you could make an interesting youtube video

>>76270799 (OP)
This is what happens when you think you're invincible and try to solve everything with violence

>>76270799 (OP)
I was going to say that he was probably killed by immigrants but he himself is an immigrant

Thoughts on krav maga?

>>76270799 (OP)
>chechen
And nothing of value was lost

>>76271254
Apparently he was killed by afghans
Truly a Deutschland moment

>do some research
>apperently a turf dispute and drug related
>he a good boy though and he has nothing to do with that kind of stuff :^)
>with two friends thus implying that at least those two are criminals
>apparently it was against 3 guys and he knocked down 2 third one stabbed him in the neck
>no mention of what those two "friends" did during the whole thing
>/fits/s lesson from this? tehee training does nothing. im safer being a fat neckbeard. combat sports dont help you in a streetfight.

Cant say im overly sad about this as this seems like one criminal killing another. Sucks for his kids though, although thats on him since getting into that shit as a father is extra retarded.

His boxing did seem to help though, since he wouldve probably won 2v1 or even this if his "friends" decided to just keep one dude busy.

in case any of you want to put read it yourself:
https://www.berliner-kurier.de/kriminalitaet/messer-angriff-gesundbrunnen-boxer-abu-yusupov-li.2333025

>>76271255
Will get you killed even faster.

>>76271255
it has MAGA in it

>>76271305
>His boxing did seem to help though
If he just carried a fookin knife himself his chances of survival would've been higher. In this sense, boxing filled him with a false sense of invulnerability and ultimately killed him.
There's literally 0 reason not to carry a knife. It costs 15$, you put it in your pocket and makes you feel safer around nigger-types.

>>76271307
Why

>>76271319
because some liberal is gonna read MAGA and pull out a gun

>>76270799 (OP)
Undefeated, eh? *pushes up sunglasses* Heh, we'll see about that.... *unsheathes katana* Taaaaake THISSS!!! *charges at him, slicing through him cleanly. He stands stunned for a second before splitting in half, blood flying everywhere* Looks like someone has.....*flicks blood off my katana and sheaths it* Abu-bu. *get in my Toyota Corolla and back over his corpse once before speeding off*

>>76270799 (OP)
>well if the rules are like this, I'm highly trained and could totally beat you
reality doesn't work that way you insufferable mma fighting faggots.
>bang bang
>stabby stabby

>>76271317
>There's literally 0 reason not to carry a knife. It costs 15$, you put it in your pocket and makes you feel safer around nigger-types.
This. In prison, if you join a gang or make a real friend, they will GIVE you a weapon & FORCE you to carry it.
>never leave the cell without this brother
walking around in the wilderness with no weapon is fucking STUPID, especially in the "modern world" where everyone is on the brink of losing their mind for a million different legitimate reasons.

>>76270799 (OP)
>hear about martial artists who got killed in a street fight
>dont hear about the millions of times martial artists have fucked up people and won
survirarship bias

>>76271376
How often does an unarmed mma fighter take out guys with weapons? It doesn't happen.

>>76270823
yes, in fact if you were to train in a martial art your chances of winning a street altercation are actually much lower than an untrained individual who just sees red, because the movement patterns of the martial art confine you to an artificial reality when in reality, in the streets anything goes, the martial art gives a false sense of comfort and confidence that just isn't real, because when an untrained man wants to fight, he fights like a wild animal
the same goes for lifting; if you lift weights and build strength you actually weaken your potential, you build more slow twitch muscle fibers compared to an untrained couch potato who has years and years of latent, untapped, unused potential; a lifter has used up all his steam and all his energy
the untrained, unlifted, unmotivated neet who has done nothing but study fighting videos is the most dangerous force on earth

>>76271385
the only time it happens is when the fighter is just faster other than that martial arts is the equivalent of wrestling.
It's just your health and entertainment.
higher chance you're gonna die if you fight someone with a weapon vs someone without

>>76270823
>There's that BJJ world champ getting choked out by a bouncer who did Systema and Krav
source on this pls, i wanna read that shit

>>76271386
>t. fighting experience is video games

>>76271255
It's a meme and a jewish one at that. Enjoy getting taught bad grappling and bad kickboxing by a tubby dude in track pants. They cope with "these ball strikes and eye gouges are too deadly for MMA".
You know who's going to be a lot better at crushing balls and gouging eyes? Someone with passable striking and grappling.
Find a decent MMA gym instead. Or train a combo of striking and grappling. Kickboxing/Judo, Muay Thai/Jiu Jitsu, Boxing/Wrestling etc.

>>76270799 (OP)
People from the Caucasus are unironically more niggerish the the cannibal niggers from Africa, atleast those demons have the decency of proudly display their evil while people from the Caucasus act like civilized men of god.
Chechens, georgians, dagestanis will attack you from behind, unprompted, will give you permanent injuries minimum if they are in a good mood and don't kill you.
shara bullet, professional mma fighter attacked a random guy in a mall because he was on a date with his gf so shara had a incel meltdown down and almost killed him.

>>76271386
the most shizo post ive seen since i filtered the bot poster

>>76271386

>>76271385
Justin gaehtje fought a armed robber.

>>76271410
krav is jewish
exactly. no need to expound any further.

>>76271341
Lol
>>76271319
It's bullshit, it will give you a false sense of confidence that was not earned through development of physical attributes and being tested against people who are competing to outdo you.
Plus I strongly suspect that it is a propaganda tool with the aim of establishing muh most dangerous and deadliest art being associated with a certain tribe to make them not look like weak scared fags that they really are. This makes even more sense when you consider you're paying them to propagandize you and spread it even further if you join their bullshit cult. Even their motto is if something works we take it and make it ours is so much like how they act outside of the gym. What's taught on these courses look vicious when executed against nonresisting individuals, like some fat mouth breathing cop applying pain compliance techniques to a grandma, but will be a whiff when the other side is intent on putting a hurt on you. You can easily imagine who developed these kinds of techniques and procedures and for what purposes but certainly it's not for fighting peers

>>76271457
Absolutely spot on.

>>76270823
so true
Same with powerlifters who get killed in street fights by smaller and lighter guys by a few punches or girls who beat up grown man and knock them out. Lifting weight is good for the looks but doesn´t help at all in a street fight.
Lifting isn´t even giving you strenght. Every farm worker is at least twice as strong as a powerlifter

>>76271731
Imagine what they would do to you as a non powerlifter, you would be killed instantly by a single punch by some 12 year old nigger. Boom, splat. I don't think you do anyways, but you should never leave home it is too dangerous for you out there with small light guys running around punching others to death.
Faggot.

>>76271782
Lmfao

>>76271410
It's basically karate

>>76271782
I would survive, because I´m not a powerlifter. I would beat up the powerlifter and strongmen

>>76270799 (OP)
the odds are even better with a gun.

>>76271317
Can you carry a knife in Germany? Can you use it for self defense?

>>76271903
It does sound like you are 11 year old nigger bait anon. 10 year olds can be really small and really quick, be careful out there. It's not even your fault, those 9 year olds were probably going through a growth spurt and you didn't really need those air jordans anyways

>>76271919
Yes, even hidden in a pocket, if it has maximum 12cm blade-lenght (except if it is a folding knife, where you have to use both of your hands to open it. Than it can have unlimited blade lenght)

You can also use it as self defense and alot of people, who killed a robber with a knife are walking free, because they were using the knife in self defense. Well, the best would be to get away as fast as possible and don´t let the police catch you. Judges are free in germany. While one can judge someone else for the same "self defense" innocent, another judge can bring you into prison. They don´t have to deal with the sentences of other judges, they are free to judge.

It may read a bit weird, but just be sure to never get caught

>>76271994
Weren't they reducing the allowed length to 6 cm?

>>76271994
>While one can judge someone else for the same "self defense" innocent, another judge can bring you into prison. They don´t have to deal with the sentences of other judges, they are free to judge.
That's not true. The only difference is that the formula for self defense is written in the criminal code instead of being developed through precedents.

>>76270799 (OP)
>Chechen
The knife was unnecessary

He fought three guys and was stabbed from behind iirc
Apparently this particular train station is a criminal gang flashpoint
Has the video come out yet? Bound to be CCTV at least

>>76270799 (OP)
Yes, this is what you should always tell MMA DYELs. They stand a chance in a clean fight but irl isn’t fair: people have weapons, fight dirty, and oftentimes they’re not alone

>>76272095
The paradox of 'clean fights' is that if you're up against someone who is willing to square up fairly you probably shouldnt fight at all and just settle your issues with words like civilized men. Unless you're a violent nigger actively seeking violence, the only fights that will ever occur to you will be unfair situations initiated by sucker punches, sudden shoves, neck or groin kicks, many-against-one type shit, or like in case of OP dude, backstabbing. Hence you should carry some kind of weapon to have a leverage, or as a deterrent. I never used a knife in a fight to defend myself, but I defused several situations by brandishing it. I also probably lowered the number of potential confrontations just by being a 'knife person' - any time I find myself in a new social environment like a new work place, I casually use a knife for daily tasks like opening packages n shiet to show others that I have it on me. Sure, it likely lowers your social capital, but it also makes people less likely to fuck with you.

>>76271421
hehehe
anytime pardner

>>76271782
You joke but shitskin crime is no laughing matter, no one should fear for their life just stepping outside

>>76272419
I wageslave in a market and have both a pocket knife and box cutter, won't stop low iq niggers from being confrontational

>>76271119
Reminds me of the time I thought krav maga was badass.

>Visit some local dojo with "first session free"
>Entire class they're showing how to fight back against someone with a gun to your head
>It's like $100 per session
>Never go back
>Still haven't been in a situation where someone is pointing a pistol at me with one hand, within arm's reach, and the safest thing to do is to kick him in the balls
>If somebody does pull a gun on me, my plan is to give him $100 and think about all the money I saved

>>76271731
How the fuck are there still """"""""people""""""""" like this here

>>76271900
To be fair, there are some really great Karate schools out there.

>>76271111
>I'm sure a person who loves to fight would never pick a fight or avoid one

Jfc what a way to go
Dude made it out of Chechenia and got stabbed to death
In Berlin
That's like making it out of Compton and getting stabbed in Georgetown

>>76271021
kek. i dont like that inbred phenotype too

>>76270799 (OP)

Its almost like the rules of the ring hold no meaning on the streets and weapons are intentionally made and used as force multipliers.

>>76271399
>source on this pls, i wanna read that shit
https://mmajunkie-eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/bellator/2021/09/25/dillon-danis-arrest-bouncer-who-choked-bellator-fighter-speaks-out/81461248007/

>>76271404
"You fight how you train" is older than video games, bro.

>>76271349
kek, why is there still no case of an incel murdering someone with a katana?

>>76270799 (OP)

As an Amerifat, it's sad to see how our reality is setting in on the other side of the pond.

Don't get me wrong, sports like MMA, boxing, Muay Thai, etc., are great for dealing with one beer brave, unarmed idiot in a bar. But you can be the most disciplined martial artist in the world, training like a warrior monk for 20 straight years, and none of that matters when you get into it with some 300lb dope-slinging nigger who eats McDonalds everyday but happens to have a gun.

>>76270799 (OP)
Martial arts are sports

>>76270799 (OP)
If you're a boxer then your primary goal is to sucker-punch the bastard before he pulls out a knife

>>76270799 (OP)
id just want a step back on a knife wielder desu theyve never seen a kick in their life unless someone imitating 300. maybe throw the phone first or feint a punch like jackass.

>>76273278
Bro, they attack from behind or surprising you in other ways usually. Can't step back from what you don't see.

>stabbed to death after altercation in train station in Berlin
I don't understand how people get into these situations.

>>76273248
Funny you say that because in America, 70s martial arts were tranformed into martial sports because gangs were killing each other with nunchucks and ninja stars.

>>76273318
You get attacked out of nowhere and that's that.

Zoomers always think a fight needs two willing participants, but one suffices completely.

>>76273181
Not really, Berlin is probably more dangerous than Chechnya.

>>76272861
Because it's true. Lifter desperately want to believe just being gym strong is all you need in a real fight but they're wrong.

>>76271410
>You know who's going to be a lot better at crushing balls and gouging eyes? Someone with passable striking and grappling.
Nope. People like Jon Jones and Chuck Liddell were extremely successful with rudimentary boxing plus eye gouging and other dirty tricks.
Fighting dirty works, even in the highest tiers of combat sports, that's simply how it is.

>>76273248
>when you get into it with some 300lb dope-slinging nigger who eats McDonalds everyday but happens to have a gun.
Happens less often than zoomers think. Only like 30% of people in America have guns and the internet is full of niggers beating others instead of shooting them.

A gun isn't terribly useful in a streetfight, you need to draw and maybe aim, and that may be too slow because shit can start in a fraction of a second (aka sucker punching).
Sure, you could draw and aim at anyone who comes closer than 12 feet, but how practical is that irl?

>>76273318
By living in shithole, simple as.

>>76273352
At this point its probably true
>chechnya
>monocultural, monoethnic, monoreligious, strict government, conservative

>neo-Weimar
>culturally enriched, ethnically all shades of brown, religiously ghettofied, liberal government with weak police

people who train martial art actually beat a lot of street punk

>>76272003
There was the idea, but they droped it
>>76272010
I mean that two judges can give two different sentences for your act. One can say "it was self defense" another can day "that was way over the top"
Don't trust the judge. Better get away

>>76271385
It happens all the time, there was a vid where in some bar guy pulls out a gun and than dude makes a sweep on him, a vid where some tries to strike a police officer with a bat and officer makes a judo throw on him etc. Even in Russia was a case when karateka who was training in a yard killed with single punch attacker with a gun.

>>76270799 (OP)
So can we finally agree that fencing and HEMA are best martial arts for streets?

>>76271130
adesanya's training partner got sucker punched and killed by a pack of abbos that does nothing but go around and start fights. they had a local reputation for it. they got house arrest lol.

fighting strangers is retarded. a lot of people, especially young dudes, have absolutely nothing to lose and arent far off trying to cave your head in with a chair after you are already downed.


people in their early 20s still have highschool fights fresh in their head and think real life people are going to 1v1 and shake hands after or whatever. so much stupid shit happens in fights. where i live a guy just got like an 8 year sentence because he lost a bar fight, came back to the bar with a pistol, shot the guy in the chest, and it was deemed manslaughter instead of murder. theres stuff like this in the paper all the time

still training is fun and you should do it because theres even dumber situations that happen where you have to fight. some guy in my city got randomly picked up and slammed by a homeless guy lol. he just took it too didnt even fight back

>>76273790
>people go around wearing suite of armor in 2025

>>76274091
>came back to the bar with a pistol, shot the guy in the chest
i tell people shit like this all the time and they never believe me. Honor isnt real.
Never was and never will be. The people who are """honorable""" are just people who have seen shit or experienced shit they didnt want to snd know how fragile life can be

>>76273181
I doubt white Germans stabbed him

>>76274091
Was the homeless guy jacked wtf

>>76274166
If you learn to control your muscles young you're body is just gonna get better at doing it as you get older even if you stop training.

>>76274166
homeless dudes spend 18 hours a day walking around lugging shopping carts filled with bullshit. he was probably tweaking too and the victim was a redditor, so it was probably a total nerd

>>76274108
>people go around wearing boxing gloves in 2025
Both HEMA and fencing suppose you don't wear armor, it is just protecting gear to practice sparrings

>>76274257
retard tier logic

>>76274512
>because... IDK I said so!

>>76274091
>fighting strangers is retarded
It is if you believe in combat sports. But unfortunately, the choice is never fully yours.

>>76274114
>i tell people shit like this all the time and they never believe me. Honor isnt real.
>Never was and never will be. The people who are """honorable""" are just people who have seen shit or experienced shit they didnt want to snd know how fragile life can be
It just bad education. Honor and fairness were originally invented for fights among nobility, so they wouldn't kill each other all day every day. So if Lord Ficklebottom beat the shit out of Lord Pantsywaist and knocked him out, he was forbidden to kick the downed opponent. Or stab him in the throat. But it was never supposed to be used with the plebs and lower classes becase everyone knew those would just kill you from behind or immediately cheat. The fall of monarchies changed all that and the plebs decided they were just as good as the nobles, especially the boomers after WW2 wer eof that opnion. So it all slowly eroded and now you're an asshole if you gnp a nigger.

It's not really interesting to research this shit, so now you don't have to.

>>76273774
None of those are MMA fighters. It is true that Trad Martial arts have a better track record in street fights from what we know though.

>>76272861
Life xp, something you lack. Size emans nothing in a fight. You can be big and dangerous, you can also be big and a pussy. No correlation.

>HEH WELL I DON'T NEED MUSCLES BECAUSE I HAVE KNIFES HEH I AM VERY INTELLIGENT
Do you realise that muscular trained people can also use weapons? This dyel cope is retarded, a physically fit person with a knife is far more dangerous than a fat neckbeard or skele with a knife.

>>76274558
This. Honor is reserved for honorable people. If someone attacks you in the street they're a dishonorable fuck and need to be put down in any way possible. Cockroaches don't deserve honor.

>>76274534
it's retard tier logic because boxing used to not use gloves one upon a time.
You can easily box without gloves but you cant defend against a sword without armor you're a retard

>>76274660
most people dont deserve much

>>76274671
There was duels without any protective gears either.
>you cant defend against a sword without armor
Trolling using stupidity, ok, now I understand

>>76274684
i cant imagine being so stupid you wake up everyday and everything is brand new

>>76274702
>no argument
as expected