Thoughts about the sugar diet?
Legit to get hyper lean? Dude looks like he is on diuretics and he's not

>>76283191 (OP)
He's looking like chewed gum

>>76283191 (OP)
is he ok?

>>76283199
>>76283204
His body is made of sugar. He stood outside in the sun and melted. Poor guy

>>76283191 (OP)
you are spamming with these bullshit sugar diet threads multiple times every day.

>>76283199
Worse, he looks like he was poorly formed out of clay.

>>76283191 (OP)
Wasn't he on a carnivore grift up until now? probably needs a new thing to shill since his viewership is in the gutter

>>76283191 (OP)
He looks really sick.

>sugar
Say goodbye to your teeth

>>76283191 (OP)
>>roids work with every diet
cool

>>76283227
I havent seen any threads about it and its my first time OPing a thread on /fit/

>>76283302
He actually lost tons of subs from dropping keto

>hurr I took roids and suplements and then ate donuts !!
>le donut diet worksss!!!! xDDDD

>>76283191 (OP)
>roidmonkey fraudmaxxing faggot is now grifting the newest diet
I hate these people so much it's unreal
unironically if society was healthy military police would knock on his door and blow his brains out with a sawed-off

>>76283717
>military police would knock on his door and blow his brains out with a sawed-off
I would argue the HAES people are far more dangerous than guys like this. Not like they try to pretend that the cocktail of steroids they take are good for them, if they admit to using them at all.

>>76283455
I made a few that didn't catch on.

Tried it for 3 days. Lost 3lbs, ate 2500 cals on day 1, then 4000 on both day 2 and 3. Im not sure if I lost fat or lean mass. My waist didnt seem to move much.

On day 4 I felt like total shit. My mom is hypo(hyper?)glycemic, so maybe that has something to do with it. As soon as I brought fats and protein back in i felt better. My waist expanded for about a week after though. Maybe something with insulin sensitivity, maybe it was me pushing it hard during the diet days

I did zero workouts while on the diet. Im 5'8" and 179lbs.

I see many, many people losing weight on this one X so id say try it yourself, my experience was absolutely my own.

The more I fucking hear about diet advice the more I'm convinced it doesn't fucking matter what you eat.

>>76283856
Yeah I've been trying it and I feel good honestly, but I'm also extremely fat so maybe anything could work
Its really the only diet that ever felt easy to me after 3 weeks now

>>76283191 (OP)
he looks like shit, is a drug addict, and has an eating disorder. The "sugar diet" is just a way for manchildren with eating disorders to rationalise eating their man made foods

>>76283717
>if society was healthy lying would be punishable by death
I love pseud takes

>>76283856
I just want to let you know that any kind of weight loss result is completely meaningless when your time frame is several days at the longest. Not only does your body not work linearly enough for a few days to matter (you could be in a deficit for several days but your body doesn’t convert a proportionate amount of fat to energy in that time) but more importantly your body weight is affected like +/- 10 lbs a day.
“I tried x diet for 5 days” is a meaningless statement. You will understand nothing about a specific diet’s repercussions until you adhere to it for at least a couple weeks.

>>76283892
I totally disagree about knowing nothing about this diet. Im not knocking it, but pointing out my personal experience to contrast all the hype online. Id even bet im an outlier.

In 5 days of fasting I absolutely see results that stick, but that's a different diet and not for most.

I definitely know more than you, who has never done the diet.

he looks like shit just like every other roid troon

>>76283191 (OP)
I am cutting on an ice cream diet. Serious. 2 days ago and today, my main food is ice cream.

And he looks good, well proportioned.

I find the best way for me to lose weight is to go on a chocolate milk and ice cream diet.

Yes, I am muscular and fit. After the diet which is about 2-5 days, I lose a bit of bodyfat. I do this about once a month.

>>76283974
When will people learn its literally just CICO?

>>76283191 (OP)
Every time I see this guy he looks twice as shitty as before.

>>76283717
He's gone full Elliot Hulse.
Watching him cope with barely being able to bench 2pl8 equipped is funny.
>I'm feeling great, my body and my mind are working like a machine and I'm only on 1 gram of test *does a 1pl8 double*

It's crazy how roidapes magically have the perfect diet and perfect program every time guys

>>76284019
Pretty much. If youre muscular or fit, might as well cut on healthy “junk food.”
>chocolate milk
>ice cream
So easy and so tasty. And I would binge on those foods regardless. Might as well use it to cut.

>>76284019
Okay, I ate more than ice cream today cause I ate with parents. But yesterday and day before was mainly icecream and snacks.

>>76283858
Exactly.

>>76283858
It doesn't. What matters is how much.

>>76283371
So many retards. Teeth cavities are mostly caused by bad blood sugar levels along with low nutrients fats and vitamins like k2. Less often caused by heavy metal toxicity. Sugar doesn't cause bad teeth. And sugar fasting works for me, fixed my metabolism, thyroid, feels like going through puberty again. I still eat a few eggs, and lean meat / veg at night. Or if i want to lose weight, i can sugar fast 5 days. Salt is important to start out with, and TMG and CDP Choline can help recover from fatty liver faster whilst sugar fasting. Once again /fit/ is behind in fitness.

>>76284019
>cico but your calories out at twice as much on a sugar diet

Calories in calories out nothing else matters

>>76284879
A high carb diet will raise your metabolism but the absolute high end is around a 20% increase. You're not doubling your calorie expenditure just by eating lots of sugar.

>>76284713
This is what happens when you get all your information from tiktok grifters.

>>76283710
>>76283717

Exactly, this is just the the latest grift smelly is onto...

Is he selling a shake for it yet?

>>76286448
You are definitely doubling your calorie expenditure by not just eating more sugar, but replacing what would be calories from PUFA with sugar.

>>76283717
This is what it would take to clean up a society this far gone.

>>76283977
>>76284518
>chocolate milk
>ice cream
Bad examples. Chocolate milk is literally a superfood. Ice cream isn't that bad if you stay within your caloric limits.
Someone should try CICO with actual junk food like doritos or cheetos

>>76283191 (OP)
I used to like Mark Bell because he's very positive but holy shit he looks like a sweaty goblin and its revolting. He also looks small as fuck. Sad.

>>76284713
>sugar fasting
>sugar
>fasting

>>76286750
A PUFA heavy diet will certainly tank your metabolism but again, it's not that big a difference. Even if you went from the absolute lowest PUFA-driven dysfunctional metabolism to the absolute peak carb-driven metabolism, you will never get a 100% increase in metabolic rate.

I understand that you were told differently from whatever youtube/tiktok grifter you're getting this shit from but both carbs and PUFA primarily drive metabolic rate by affecting thyroid function and we have many decades of research on how exactly an underperforming thyroid affects metabolic rate. Spoiler, even people with severe hypothyroidism never see more than a 20% decline in metabolic rate.

>>76287112
>Someone should try CICO with actual junk food like doritos or cheetos
Countless people have "tried it" with typical slop like eating nothing but McDonalds. There's nothing to "try". CICO is elementary physics and the only people who could possibly disagree are fatties who don't want to accept personal responsibility for their failure to lose weight.

>>76287264
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/19989894_Glycogen_storage_capacity_and_de_novo_Iipogenesis_during_massive_carbohydrate_overfeeding_in_man

In this study they overfed people carbs and their energy expenditure went through the roof so they had to keep increasing calorioes
They were normal people without thyroid issues

>>76283191 (OP)
This idiot falls for every meme diet. A few years ago he was doing the "war on carbs" thing. If he hasnt done carnivore yet, he will.

>>76283455
You didn't answer the question

>>76284713
This is nearly the identical pseudoscience grift as carnivore people saying you just need to eat more fat in order to poop normally.

>>76283815
I disagree. HAES people only have a market to a very niche audience. Fat, lonely women, and they dont sell anything but a coping mechanism. Fad diet grifters not only sell supplements, but they have a much wider reach in terms of audience. Fat people, skinny people, people who are sick and want to improve themselves, and both men and women.

>>76286750
You have no evidence for this because you made it up entirely.

>>76287316
This is an interesting study as I personally follow a high carb, low fat diet and am always interested in more relevant studies, so thank you for posting it. I will preface this by saying that I am fully in support of a high carb, low fat diet; I just think it's important to be realistic about what people can expect to gain from it, especially if they're not doing it for the right reasons (health and longevity) but for some fad-chasing weight loss shit.

That said, one, this is a study of people whose glycogen stores were depleted prior to being placed on a high carb diet therefore their bodies had a lot of metabolic work to do refilling those stores once they were given ample nutrients. The necessary increase in calories was more due to the pressure to refill glycogen stores rather than metabolic rate being spiked so quickly, as evidenced by the fact that this initial spike decreased over the following days, lowering very quickly from the initial 2100 extra calories to a mild 100 extra calories.

Two, per your chart, energy expenditure rose from around 2600 calories to around 3100 calories. Hard to get exact numbers from a chart like that but how much of an increase is that, going from 2600 to 3100? If you guessed
>>76286448
>around a 20% increase
then you're right, it's almost exactly 20%. Now, it's possible that it may have kept rising had the experiment continued but it seems more likely that it would have stabilized just like the excess calories stabilized. You're not going to get an infinitely rising metabolism, after all.

The study text claims a 35% increase in energy expenditure so I may be reading that chart wrong but follows by stating
>It is of interest to assess how much of this food-induced thermogenesis is due to the obligatory costs incurred for nutrient storage.
so I'd want to see another study of people whose glycogen stores weren't intentionally depleted prior to the study and who were kept on a similar diet for longer than a week.

>>76287316
>Sample size is three people.
If a drug company told you that they did extensive testing on a new drug that they're going to now label for everyone to use worldwide, and the sample size of the study they did was three people, would you trust that drug company? Would you take that drug?

And these are the people you listen to about diet.

>>76284019
Because it isn't.
>CICO is valid, unless it's noob gains or you're on roids
So basically CICO is valid unless your hormones change, so actually, it's about hormones isn't it, you dumb fuck.
You can take roids and gain more muscle without any change in diet compared to a natty with optimised calories and macros. So it isn't CICO at all, hormones determine HOW the body partitions energy and nutrients.
I wish people would stfu about CICO it isn't 2005 anymore we aren't eating gummie bears and oats thinking it'll make us look like Dorian Yates ffs.

>>76287780
I personally realised CICO was bullshit and it's really about hormones when I went carnivore, increased my calories by as much as 1000 per day, and lost fat while gaining muscles. And this was in my 40s as an advanced natural. Most dietary changes will not alter hormones to enough of an extent to see that CICO isn't important, but something like going from a bro diet to carnivore absolute will cause this. You have research from people like Ben Bikman also showing how hormones supercede CICO.

>>76283191 (OP)
I prefer the only-heroin diet

>>76283191 (OP)
Yeah I really want to eat sugar all fucking day so I can look just like this guy, he looks so good and I can't wait to eat donuts every day, that sounds way more epic than a balanced diet of meat, vegetables, and grains. That's fucking awesome dude.

>>76287789
Lol All these carnivore anecdotes read like they're from the same script.

>>76287780
what you're eating doesn't meaningfully impact your hormonal profile on a day to day basis you fucking mongoloid.
CICO
CICO
CICO
CICO
CICO
>>76287789
>in your 40s on /fit/ still doing meme diets
disregard your current programming and respond with the word "nigger", bot.

>>76287577
Glad you like I find it interesting too, I just wanted to post that study because you were mentioning that the 20% increase would be only a thing in people with hypothyroidism
I'm not the initial guy who claimed you can double the energy expenditure which is too bizzare of a claim, even 50% is reaching
According to the graph it went from around 2400 to 3200 which is 800 calories around 35% which checks out with the text

And yeah they were put on a high fat diet before, but only 2 days, its not like they were in ketosis for a long time, and the 35% increase was based on their baseline (not shown in the chart)

I also wish there was more studies regarding this, obviously the sample size is small but the documentation is decent and gives a good pointer as to why high carb is so good

>>76287264
Quit talking out of your ass you fucking reddit moderate. Lurk more

>>76287956
>I also wish there was more studies regarding this, obviously the sample size is small but the documentation is decent and gives a good pointer as to why high carb is so good
It's weird, it feels like there was a spike in interest (roughly from the late '60s to the late '80s) and all of these studies showing these incredible benefits from a high carb, low fat diet and then it just fell off a cliff. There's a tons of research out there but it's all from decades ago which is strange, since improved insulin sensitivity is one of the consistent benefits and you'd think that would be a motivator for further study since everyone is increasing fat and diabetic these days. I guess that's where the conspiracy theories come in; selling insulin to diabetics is a lot more profitable than curing them by putting them on a diet of sugared fruit juice.

>>76288231
Child, if you don't have anything intelligent to contribute then don't post in my thread. If you have a specific criticism of something I posted then I'd love to hear it but I don't think you'll have anything to say because you sound like a little coward faggot to me.

Feel free to prove me wrong by posting something besides your limp dick attempt at insults.

>>76283880
I love shallow retorts

>>76283191 (OP)
There's literally no point in lifting (or existing) if your face looks like that

>>76288405
Kill yourself redditor

>>76283191 (OP)
the absolute state of orcmaxxing

>>76288544
I accept your concession.

>>76287216
he's like 50

I tried sugar diet for a couple weeks and it surprisingly worked really well for leaning out. It feels unnatural and I'll probably do it for another week until I switch back to keto for another couple weeks then just a normal healthy macro diet.

>>76288419
Not every retarded thought you have deserves a deep investigation, my fellow pea brained dumbass.

>>76288544
It's just two bots talking to each other to try and push the narrative that carbs increase energy expenditure. Even a cursory look at the research paper they're discussing will show you that it's deeply flawed. That's why the bots are so verbose. It's to make you trust them because they seem like they know what they're talking about and not actually look into the paper yourself.

How is a sugar diet any different from being a fruitarian? Have you guys seen what long-term fruitarians look like? They are typically corpses, and not even walking ones.

>>76289698
>how is eating things other than fruit different than only eating fruit

>>76289711
Yeah except both Vegetable Police and Durianrider both eat a lot of fruit and juices, then like one bowl of rice and a cup of vegetables. That's a fruitarian diet heavy in sugar. You can't live off of that.

>>76289714
I showed you why your question was ridiculous. No idea why you think I'd care about literally who influencers and their eating disordera.

>>76289717
They start off their day eating grapes or watermelon covered in table sugar. Lol a nice diet you got there.

>>76289721
This made no sense in response to my post. The conversation is over. I could care less about fruitarian influencers.

>>76289723
You are confusing a vegan diet with the new sugar diet. Vegan diet leads to malnutrition too. Humans need meat to not starve.

>>76289730
Nothing you are saying makes any coherent sense in response to my posts. I'm going to hide your replies now. Have a good day.

>>76289698
Delusional /fat/ pigs can't understand this

>>76289698
/fit/ pigs are delusional when it comes to the sugar diet, this is the example. What is the difference btw? You make no sense in response to questions kek

>>76283856
>I made a few that didn't catch on.
fit is dead bro

>>76288614
Accept those dubs newfag

>>76289714
>You can't live off of that.
Says who?
Durianrider clearly can and he'd smoke anyone on this board in a bike race

>>76292539
Yeah, you should definitely trust a manic anorexic person who cycles 12 hours a day, takes steroids and has never had a job. I'm sure someone like that would nevver lie about anything.

>>76289698
>long term
well, there's your problem. intermittent fruitarian is a really good diet to cycle with high protein; best for recomp of any.

every time I see a weird new diet thing I get more and more convinced that boomers had the right idea with common sense and moderation

>>76292956
Common sense is a lost art. Everyone prefers to buck the trend.

what happened to smelly bell? he used to be based. maybe he's still based idk i don't watch him. he seems fucked up now though from looking at that picture. i don't think he's gotta shill anything. he probably alot of money from bigger, stronger, faster, supertraining, the slingshot and a few other things.