Why is it so hard to feel my back when I do dumbbell rows? I'm new to lifting, I did 3 sets of 15 reps, last one I got to failure at 20

>>76305520 (OP)
instead of bringing your elbows back, think of flexing at the elbow

ironically, NOT feeling your back will ultimately lead to a better back. "feeling" your back will lead to lat dominance which will lead to looking like that picture of "the golden one" in the catalog right now. upper back is the most important part of your back which is harder to feel and lats are secondary. try to not use your arms too much, imagine your hands are just a hook to load your back muscle. if you want to use your lats, "pulling with your elbows" is probably the best cue. ultimately just get strong on rows and don't worry about it too much.

Did rows last week, didn't feel shit. thought my session was ruined even though i thought i lifted pretty hard and didn't really feel like my biceps were fatigued to hell. next day upper back roms were insane.

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>>76305560
Thanks, I did feel overall fatigue and it felt like I was training something but it just doesn't feel the same as if for example I'm doing bicep curls I can feel the bicep, I'll keep it up, hopefully I can do pullups one day

>>76305520 (OP)
because you're doing them wrong
try pulling up to the hip instead of your bellybutton

>>76305520 (OP)
>20 reps
Nice cardio session.

Why dont you do something actually meaningful like pull ups?

>>76305611
20 reps was my last set because thats how far I got to failure, I would do pull ups if I could but Im too tall and dont have much muscle at all, once I build some I will
>>76305589
I do that, maybe I should increase the weights after all

I don’t feel my back working during any back exercises I do (pull-ups, lat-pulldowns, barbell rows, seated cable rows). In fact, I barely feel anything when I train in general, and I don’t know how to fix it. I’ve been working out for three years.

Why do people think you need to feel your muscles? If you're performing a row then your back muscles are being used regardless of whether you feel them>>76305646
or not

>>76305676
Because with other exercises I do feel them, that's why I wondered, I'm just new to lifting weights in general is all

>>76305676
Because people say if you don't feel the muscles you're training it means you're not recruiting them correctly. Plus, increase in muscle mass comes from both mechanical tension and metabolic stress. Not feeling "burn" or "pump" is a sign of lack of metabolic stress.

Now that 2 hours have passed since I did the workout and made the thread I do feel a slight soreness in my back muscles. Wow, first time ever, back muscles are weird man

Same, and I do Yates rows cause I enjoy them more than standard. Still, the weight goes up, the form remains the same, the back gets thicker, etc. so it must be working. Pump and DOMs aren't a sign of a good workout is what I had to learn

>>76305520 (OP)
Do one arm db rows, both sides at the same time are shit

>>76305520 (OP)
Its because you are not good at them. Spend more time practicing to get better technique

>I did 3 sets of 15 reps, last one I got to failure at 20
lol, lmao even. And you wonder why you don't feel anything when you train with 7+ RIR.

>I do that, maybe I should increase the weights after all
Yeah no shit kys bait trhead

your back is way stronger than your arms, even if you're doing it all correctly, you may still not feel them, but you will eventually.

>>76305520 (OP)
Get rings and do inverted rows or better yet tucked inverted rows. You'll feel it.

Are renegade rows a meme?

>>76307391
tf, they look like something a unemployed divorce dad would do in the middle of the gym whilst inconveniencing everyone

>>76305520 (OP)
You're not using your back.

Use wrist straps.
Imagine you had wings.
Lift the weight by crunching your shoulder blades together.
Also 3 sets of 15 is stupid. By rep 10 you should be struggling and by 12 you should be failing, on every set.
If not, you're lifting too light.

>>76305520 (OP)
Get the barbell and start doing heavy rows in all directions while keeping your shoulders fix to avoid a sonic speed train ticket to snap city then turn the rows into shrugs, bend over slightly and do more shrugs, move the angle again down and shrug more

>>76305619
if you did 20 reps (especially on your last set) then the weight is too light. even 15 is too much. like the other anon said, its just cardio at that point.
target a weight that you can only get 6-12 reps on, preferably on the lower end.

>>76307391
An intermediate lifter can one-arm DB row 50-60kg.

Listen up because this is the only time I will be posting this arcane knowledge. What follows is the only way to do horizontal DB rows at home in a way that you will feel engaging your back and rear delts. The only way.

You will be doing CHEST SUPPORTED rows. To do these you will either need an elevated bench, a regular bench (which you then elevate), or 2 extremely cheap nest tables you can get in Ikea or any furniture shop. For this example I will be describing the tables because that's what I use.

You will place the wider table on the floor one body-length away from a window ledge in your home. You will then place the smaller, thinner table centered on top of the larger one. Then place a cushion atop both. See image. The combined height of the 2 tables must be larger than the distance between your fully extended arms and your chest so that your dumbbell-holding arms have clearance from the floor.

>But how do I get onto this deathtrap without breaking my neck?

To start, both DBs rest on the cushion. You stand between the tables and the window ledge. Pick up each DB. Lower your chest and abdomen fully onto the cushion. You will need to splay your legs like a crab at this point for balance. Once the cushion supports the full weight of your chest (none of your head) let your arms hang down toward the floor with the DBs still in each hand. Now, still pressing the weight of your chest into the cushion, slowly extend each leg back and up so that your toes now rest on the window ledge. Your body and legs are now fully extended, parallel to the floor, looking something like a push-up top position except your weight is now spread between the table tower and the window ledge.

At this point you can smash out your chest supported DB rows. Nothing else in your body is under load, nothing else is going to gas out. The only thing you will feel is your back & rear delts engaging as you bring the DBs up against gravity toward your armpits and then lower them.

i have solved this by doing landmine rows
yes i know it makes no sense but somehow i can work my back with them

This lift is just shit in general