Why is it bad to take advice from professional bodybuilders? I mean, if you made it to the Olympia, obviously you know something about training, rigth?

>>76307760 (OP)
Dorian Yates denies the holocaust. Why wouldn't i listen to him?

something something working out only works if you roid cope

>>76307760 (OP)
he doesn't know that roided training and normal training are completely different

>>76307857
i feel like you're just regurgitating something you heard NH say

>>76307760 (OP)
Because most people arent training bodybuilding

>>76307760 (OP)
People with elite genetics who work hard will make progress on retarded routines because genetics and hard work are by far the most important factors in athletic performance
Good programming will make the difference all else equal but programming is definitely not what got these people where they are

>>76308033
Why is this so unfair

>>76307767
Based. Anyone who believes in hokicaust is a legitimate idiot

Dorian Yates look like that pornstar who fucks tiny asian women and brown women, Lee Stone

>>76308033
Yet, he was a first mass monster with a decent physique.
People with elite genetics and shirtty training don't reach a natty limit fir 99% od people in their first year. The never get to 140kg if lean mass.

>>76307780
the daily life and training is of a pro-bb is way different than anyone else who lifts weights. the training of a natty on here, a drugged local gymrat, drugged athlete, or drugged powerlifter are all not that much different. pro-bb is completely different. their entire life revolves around injecting drugs. their life doesn't revolve around "working out." it revolves around injecting PEDs over and over throughout the day and managing the side effects from those drugs. the drugs are the most important thing. when your entire day revolves around taking PEDs, you just need to get a pump so the drugs can work. they're taking normal roids in multiple injections multiple times throughout the day (because they're injecting grams of gear), gh or igf-1 multiple times per day and insulin with every meal. they're injecting drugs 7+ times per day. and when you have grams of steroids and 30ius of gh in your body you feel very lethargic all the time. nothing about their life applies to you.

>>76308820
he was a pioneer of megadosing gh and insulin. before that, bodybuilders had some belief that you could only take a few ius of gh. dorian's era was when they figured out that they could take alot of gh and take it with alot of insulin.

>>76307857
No its not. You're just saying things.
Roids just make muscles grow faster you still have to lift right.

>>76308033
Here's another guy just saying things.
muh elite genetics.
This is just cope for being a dyel. You see some one else get bigger and you start spouting about elite genetics. There are no "genetics" that make muscles grow without proper stimulus and nutrition.
The only thing genetic is being able to tolerate higher doses of steriods without negative side effects. But even that may just be the result of overall health.

>>76308892
>heir entire life revolves around injecting drugs. their life doesn't revolve around "working out." it revolves around injecting PEDs over and over throughout the day and managing the side effects from those drugs.
another guy just making up bullshit.
Nobody is injecting steriods multiple times every day. And pinning only takes a couple minutes anyway. Its not some involved procedure. Insulin takes like 10 seconds to administer.
Nobody spends hours a day pinning or "managing side effects."

>>76308914
>The only thing genetic is being able to tolerate higher doses of steriods without negative side effects. But even that may just be the result of overall health.
Unlikely. Pretty moderate does of Anavar did measurable damage to my kidneys. EGFR was over 100 before I started babbies first cycle + var, and was 88 a year after stopping

>>76307760 (OP)
Because there are multiple olympia winners on complete opposite ends of intensity vs volume
So you can with exercise selection but the competition is just who responds better to their steroids and other genetic factors

>>76308942
How does your sickly weak kidneys make what I say unlikely? You're actually proving my point.
And anavar is stupid for bulking. You fucked yourself up for nothing because you wouldnt just do the basic 500 test beginner cycle

>>76307760 (OP)
They cant train heavy due to tendon/collagen synthesis being fucked due to hormones/roider diet. They have to train around test spikes etc.

If anything their technique for lifting has to be super strict and i lift half reps to save joints, but yeah you dont wanna 200% at the detriment of optimal training because for them they have 300% test for a few hours/days, fomo.

>>76308933
be quiet retard

>>76308944
>Because there are multiple olympia winners on complete opposite ends of intensity vs volume
you can progressively overload by adding reps, or by adding weight

i don't really see how they are opposites

>>76307760 (OP)
These people are also dying at age 40, or suffering from permanent disability.

>>76307760 (OP)
There are two methods:
>Do what the champions do
and
>Science-based lifting

Nowadays people are all about muh studies and claim champions succeed in spite of their training, not because of it. Which is obviously wrong, but that's what you get when most of the internet is autistic thirdies who are desperately looking for a silver bullet that will elevate them over the "normies".

>>76309081
yeah bro you'll make tons of progress with adding another 10 reps to your 5kg bench press!!

>>76309256
>these are the retards i discuss fitness with

>>76308902
>Roids just make muscles grow faster
Exactly. A roider does not have to account for recovery because his body is constantly forced into an anabolic state. A natty trying to recreate the same type of training will fatigue and stall at best and injure himself at worst.

You can lift however and eat whatever and still get big on roids (as long as you pin enough).
You have teens on tren doing the broest of brosplits with shittiest of forms all while egolifting, eating McDonalds and they still get big. Same thing goes for vegans eating raw plants and powders.
Then you get all the shitty advice, like you need supplements (you don't), you need 200g of protein per day (90-120g for natties), the list goes on.
Once you've lifted for long enough, you can see through the bullshit, but when you call it out, you get called an idiot.

>>76309534
>A roider does not have to account for recovery
wrong. You just recover faster. I still only work each body part twice a week, just like when I'm not on roids.
More than that and you get CNS fatigue fast and just be exhausted. The body can only do so much work. Roids arent magic.

>>76309043
>roider diet.
wat
>They have to train around test spikes etc.
more made up bullshit

>>76307767
Why the fuck is Mossad constantly fedposting on /fit/ of all boards

>>76307913
It's common sense man. peds are superpowers. The muscles grow so fast that people tear tendons.

>>76307760 (OP)
Well, you can listen to them, but apply some common sense. Take HIT, for instance, it makes sense that it'd work well for a long-time roider since those guys already have like 300% of the natural limit for muscle mass, so obviously it takes a lot of time for their muscles to recover, but it's probably not the best option for you.

>>76307760 (OP)
Different realms of lifting. Being a natural I have to be very skeptic of what is being promoted by "them". Dorian is a proper lad, even denying some wild claims.
He has been injured may times, meaning he doesnt care about self worth.
Divorced and now married to a Goblin Queen.
Still promotes alot of drug use.
Roids will always be a big signal that he is sodomite prone.
His methods will not apply to me because I dont put any of that garbage in my life.
There is no difference to me between someone like Dorian and the fent abusers I see hunched over in the cities.
I am grateful that so many "bodybuilder" lives were filmed and archived so I know what not to do in regards to becoming a junky.

>>76307760 (OP)
>obviously you know something about training, rigth?
Yes, assuming he is being honest about his training methods. It's pretty common bodybuilders lie about their methods and doses

>>76307760 (OP)
fat with extra steps. would never take advice from someone with this physique

>>76307760 (OP)
yeah I also take financial advice from people who won the lottery

>>76307760 (OP)
>Deadlifting is pulling it off the floor
>You got all that gravity down there.
>But squatting, it's way up high on your back
>There's not as much gravity.
>Of course it's gonna be a lot easier.