Would roids have saved him?

>>76316963 (OP)
That a recent pic? He's really let himself go.

>>76316963 (OP)
Roids can't cure autism. I know from personal experience.

I’m old, I was ripped back when Zyzz was still a skinny nerd. Here is some advice for those who are smart enough to understand, if you bulk or care about strength you will look like shit, especially as a natty. Being aesthetic is literally all that matters, not even competing in strength or bodybuilding is worth not being aesthetic since the money is shit and adults look at you as a joke.

>>76317010
This post has nothing to do with autism also you self diagnosing with autism doesn't make you unique or special.

>>76317036
how can you get muscular w/o bulking? if by being aesthetic you mean being very low bf then it matters only if you're a model or a SM grifter, it's not that useful or practical irl unless you live in California or other beach season all year round area
NH looks pretty damn good and there's just one shit pic of him circulating on the internet, I honestly don't believe he's natty

>>76317121
You don’t need to bulk, just eat high protein around maintenance, go to the gym casually and do your cardio, you’ll look good and have natural proportions. If you want to get muscular just roid, trying to gain considerable muscle as a natty just makes you look goofy proportion wise without ever getting to impressive.
If I could turn back time I wouldn’t waste so much of my youth at the gym, tracking my food or caring about my lifts. I would do the bare minimum to look good and just live life.

>>76317139
roids have no calories retard you still need to bulk

>>76317139
this approach won't work past a year or so or newbie gains and eating around maintenance still takes some degree of effort and planning
doing bare minimum or can quickly evolve into doing nothing at all because you're not hyped at all
but yeah, solid newbie gains + low bf are usually enough to pass as decent looking

>>76317170
Calling me a retard when you have such low reading comprehension is impressive. To explain in retard for you, bulking natty will just make you look like shit.

>>76317209
That was my point, basic gains and low bf is the best mode, most benefits for the least effort. And it’s also the most healthy mode to boot.

>>76317088
Okay, autist.

>>76317966
post body

>>76317121
If you can't put on muscle without getting to 25% bf you can't put on significant muscle naturally period, the 1-2kg more muscle you put on by stuffing yourself like a pig while fucking up your hormones won't make a difference and you'll lose half of it on your 6 month long cut. All the natties I know who bulk like this are perma 20% bodyfat and never look good and eventually end up coping their way into powerlifting

The worst part is that he took alan with him

>>76318345
bulking is eating on surplus and doesn't equate getting to 25% bf, you've been brainwashed hard by some SM grifter
there's no way around bulking if you want to build any noticeable muscle mass past noob gains and if you completely give up on a sense of progression then you're quite likely to drop the hobby that's generally healthy

>>76318519
Being shredded is legit not fun. Your diet has to be so precise all the time. If you're eating shit tons of carbs your aesthetic is going to suffer so you have to starve for the "ripped" look.
Function is so much better than aesthetics thats why aesthetic zyzz fags can't lift heavy, can't run, and die young.

>>76318585
I don't know what sm is and obviously you need to be in a surplus to gain muscle. What I see people doing is stuffing their face, hitting 25%+ bf while being delusional and overconfident that they are somehow 23+ ffmi 18% bodyfat max. They look like shit and they're clearly not happy. You know how I bulk? I just eat normally. Some days I'm probably below maintenance, some above, it literally doesn't matter, if you are a not a mentally ill person with an eating disorder you'll slowly put on weight without counting calories and then you can cut down to like 11-12% in 2 months and go back to eating normally.

>>76318618
you're literally just stupid.
not being able to understand what you're eating without being a sperg about just means you're a retard.
git gud faggot

>>76318632
Just because there's people that cannot stop overeating doesn't mean that your advice to try and waste time spinning your wheels because you're not eating enough is sound either. Both the fatties and you the "just maingain forever bro" retards are delusional and two sides of the same retarded fitness advice coin.

>>76316963 (OP)
Bad angle, bad lighting, bulked. Anyone would look bad under those conditions

>>76317121
He's so autistic about it that he believe he is natty. You don't have to get fat to put on muscle too. A surplus bigger than 500 calories is just retarded. Remember the point is to get stronger, more jacked and fitter in general. A lot of guys seem to lose sight of that and think the goal is to get fat, so they eat pizza and McDonald's, stop doing cardio and don't even really try to progressively overload. Then they get fat and out of shape and then they post here and say bulking doesn't work

Just up your food by 200-300 calories and train extra hard - no skipping workouts, no cutting workouts short and no skipping that one exercise you dont like. You might barely notice any weight gain, like only 5lbs or some shit in a few months, but youll see all your lifts going up and your muscles really popping and looking fuller. You "bulk" but do it sensibly. You're not trying to stuff your face but to just eat a bit more than you are already

>>76318681
how is it wasting your time if it works? Having to be in a 4-6 month cut is a way bigger waste of time. And it's not "some people overeating" it's so many people that I see sharing your sentiment. A shitload of people delusional about their bodyfat percentage.

>>76318753
Retard.

>>76318790
fat. Enjoy looking like shit year round until you inevitably descend into roidtrannydom.

>>76318816
I went from 125 lbs to 165-170 lbs by doing exactly what I'm preaching, meanwhile you probably look like shit and are wasting your time spinning your wheels at the gym. Reply to this post with your body to prove that your approach is better than mine, and I'll gladly concede, come up with a cope and not post a body, and your mother will get brutally raped in her sleep tonight.

>>76318832
Here u go. 3 years lifting with some 1-2 month pauses. 205 lb, around 6lb of muscle in the last year, around 30 lbs total. 0 calories counted. 0 corny tattoos gotten. You would look exactly the same without the disordered eating, but gj.

>>76319011
Ok, this is the rare case where this is actually somebody that lifts. My bad g.

>>76318832
>>76319011
I think it's funny seeing you 2 retards fight over le bulk/maintenance when it's clear both of you fags could do literally anything and end up with the same results, because at the end of the day is all about genetics and both of you clearly have good genetic response to lifting, you could be bulking, maintaining, cutting, doing bro splits, ppl, upper lower, full body, it doesn't matter because it's all about genetics.

There's thousands of people with more training than you two, that did perfect diets with training while looking nowhere near as good as your physiques, the gym is ungrateful to those born with bad genetics and that's one of the reasons many do roids.

>>76317966
seems like you lack reading comprehension

>>76319419
>trvthnvking your own post
internet equivalent of saying "and that's a fact" in response to your own sentence. dork

>>76319419
Wait until you find out that steroid response is also genetic and some people get all the cons without much of the pros.

>>76318711
>Bad angle, bad lighting
That's called real life bro. Flexing while pumped under overhead lighting is not how you actually look in 99% of scenarios.