>>76335309 (OP)Neither, im not homosexual and from a female's perspective there's more to it than just these two pics
both are equally male and female gaze and some fag starvoids and lards dont understand it so they end up defending a point solely because they live vicariously through them (pro tip no one in this board look like either but think they do because they have reverse body dysmorphia)
on a side note, you won't "achieve" either ; your body will always dictate the growth, accounting for your frame and mass building potential and muscle insertions