Kettlebells - /fit/ (#76345358) [Archived: 516 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:42:48 PM No.76345358
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Steve Maxwell claims Pavel destroyed his body using kettlebells and can't lift them anymore (other than swings and dips). Pavel isn't that old. And I have always idolized the guy because of how much he did for fitness knowledge in the USA and me personally (I have done a bunch of his programs and they have all been worth the months invested).

However... I don't want to destroy my elbow tendons. And I have noticed recently when I do heavy cleans, especially heavy double cleans, my elbows HURT. This is relatively new, since I re-introduced barbell deadlifts into my weekly routine. I don't deadlift heavy or often. I am at 3pl8s and do a heavy pull two times in each two-week training block.

But... still. Are kettlebells going to destroy my elbows? Are these things a young man's game? Part of the reason I bought myself a set was to use them for the rest of my life, since I hate going to the gym.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:48:23 PM No.76345899
Google Dan John on YouTube
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:52:36 PM No.76345922
>>76345358 (OP)
Lower down the weight and work on hand flexibility
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:02:40 PM No.76345949
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>>76345358 (OP)
>I don't want to destroy my [...] tendons
ditch barbells, switch to calisthenics, prefer exercises with a neutral grip (pullups/rows, pushups with handles). Get a suspension trainer and rubber bands that allow for variation of the grip.

Kettlebells are nice for halos, Turkish get-ups, and kegels.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:08:48 PM No.76345985
>>76345358 (OP)
Does Pavel also compete in some form of full-contact karate? The guy could have done other things that wrecked the body.

Also, making this a Pavel thread, started doing PttP today.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:10:22 PM No.76345992
>>76345949
Lol what a fucking dyel retard you are. Calisthenics put 10x the strain on tendons and joints compared to barbell lifts. Never give advice again.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:13:34 PM No.76346006
>>76345358 (OP)
There is nothing wrong with doing some curls to keep the elbow joint strong.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:23:28 AM No.76346629
>>76345358 (OP)
Steve Maxwell is an old moron who likes to talk shit about his former mates. Even if you had a falling out with Pavel or Dan John it's a bitch move to go say that nonsense. Pavel and Dan are not in great terms either but they have respect for each other. Maxwell, on the other hand, went on to talk shit about everyone who knew from his kettlebell years and accusing them of getting hurt with kettlebells, and how he is now much healthier from doing just calisthenics and how impractical kettlebells are to carry or something. He then talked about him hiring an astrologer or some shit. Very effeminate behavior.

Is it true that kettlebells can put pressure on your joints? Sure. But calisthenics are not that low impact either

All in all, he's an old clown. Ignore him

You're not going to die for swinging a kettlebell. You're probably going to get lesser impact on your joints than if you chose to say, go for a run three times a week

Power to you brother.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 1:26:32 AM No.76346641
>>76345985
Pttp?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 3:14:39 AM No.76346889
>>76345992
Gotta put stress on them if you want em to become stronger
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 3:21:38 AM No.76346898
>>76346641
Power to the people
basic barbell routine
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 3:29:04 AM No.76346917
>>76346898
Can you share the program or give a short summary?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:08:15 AM No.76347024
>>76346917
Deadlifts and side presses
5x5
Progressive Overload
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:15:35 AM No.76347038
>>76347024
How often?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:56:10 AM No.76347156
>>76347038
Between 2 and 5 days a week
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:55:15 AM No.76347356
>>76345358 (OP)
Probably shit form? The bell is to always move 'around' the hand(Feels Good) and not 'over' the hand(Feels Bad)
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:18:05 PM No.76348846
>>76346629
It was because he was shilling his new cali routine that he wanted to shit on kettlebells. Like guy does high level bjj for decades, starts to get some wear and tear, and yah, it must be the kettlebells, buy my new program because it couldnt be anything else.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 4:21:11 PM No.76348856
>>76346641
Power to the People. Its the original Pavel book. Worth reading if you are a non-professional interested in strength training. Essential
>Deadlift 2x5
>Press (bench, ohp, side etc.) 2x5
>3-5 min between sets
>5 days a week
>cycle the weight using wave loading

Takes about 15 minutes a day, gets and keeps you strong, and really builds energy. It was a fun book when it came out because it turned the gym world on its head, and Pavel seems to have predicted the gymcel problem and provided the solution.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:33:50 PM No.76349157
>>76346629

Thank you for keeping it real
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:36:38 PM No.76349170
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>>76345985

How do you like it?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 6:01:15 PM No.76349253
>>76349170
I ran similar thing before and love it. It builds strength with very little fatigue, in fact, it really builds energy. Its truly "stimulate, do not annihilate". Its only takes about 15 minutes. Really, for non-competitive athletes, all a person needs is a really strong deadlift/press. Save time and energy for other activities. And I do like the "anti-gymcel" philosophy of Pavel's works, which is 'get really strong and go get a life/put your strength to use'.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 6:44:58 PM No.76349396
>>76349253

Same here. Done a bunch of his programs (SS, RoP, Q&D, Axe) but never that one. All good results.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 7:52:49 PM No.76349619
>>76349396
Yah, great programs. He is obviously best known for his kettlebells (he is the kettlebell guy), but his barbell programs are great. Simple, effective, low-fatigue and time investment.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:44:00 AM No.76350935
>>76348856
Different anon. Trying to find a download of the book right now.
Do you think his approach can be translated to bells?
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:46:22 AM No.76350949
>>76345358 (OP)
You can fuck up your body using any exercise or no exercise at all. If your elbows hurt then listen to your body and switch things up. People ITT already gave you lots of options. There's nothing about bells or their movements inherently that's "le bad". In fact the compound movements feel a lot more natural than a lot of machine exerises.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:47:49 AM No.76350954
I like Easy Strength
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:08:36 AM No.76351019
>>76348856
What is wave loading?
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:13:13 AM No.76351041
>>76350935
A bit, but PttP is very barbell-centric. Very pure strength centered. Its worth a read, because it does present a theory of training that is different from what we normally see.

Kettlebells have a different purpose than pure strength.

For kettlebells, I would say his book Enter The Kettlebell is the kettlebell version of PttP. He may have said the same thing in the intro to Enter the Kettlebell.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:15:25 AM No.76351056
>>76351019
This video explain it far better than I can over a post
https://youtu.be/0dvysqxkkvo
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:17:53 AM No.76351063
>>76351056
Thanks
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:17:56 AM No.76351064
>>76351041
Thanks anon!
I only have bells available and don't want to deal with going to the gym, but bells aren't as popular so the content I find is either super basic or stuff for bell-chads like Rigert's “dry fighting weight" program which frankly I am too stupid to understand.
I heard of Pavel a long time ago for his video series, but they are very cringe to watch (the accent, the faux Soviet aesthetic) even if I am sure they are quality in advice. For some reason never realized he also wrote books until this thread.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:41:45 AM No.76351140
>>76351064
Yah, his movies are not very good. His books are where its at.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 1:49:06 AM No.76351165
>>76351140
Reading "Enter the Kettlbell" now and the first page directly says "this book is PTTP for bells". Bonus: I already have the three major weights of bells that he recommends.
Thanks anon, you did your part. The rest is gonna be up to me!
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 2:40:43 AM No.76351337
>>76351165
Nice one. Wicked.

Word of advice. The main program in Enter the Kettlebell is called Rites of Passage. It is presented as a single kettlebell routine. It can easily be done with double kettlebells. In fact, I wonder if it works better as double. So, if you have sets, you can use both.