I don't get it

>>76345549 (OP)
performance enhancing drugs

>>76345555
That's your first hypothesis?

>>76345579
There is no other possibility.

>>76345588
Why? Some people make faster progress than others

>>76345549 (OP)
>another time wasting thread
>”durrr how he look like dis in small time??”
Steroids
Every single time
Steroids

>>76345635
Maybe they lie about the timeline, haven't you thought about that?

>>76345785
They also lie about being natty lol
Have you thought about that?

>>76345849
Yes but I guess the most common case is lying about when they really started

>>76345549 (OP)
Lose the weight, obviously.

>>76345597
He has an unnatural physique

>>76345945
You think the average fatty is walking around with this much muscle?

>>76345549 (OP)
It depends a lot on the starting point. Also the term “gymcel” isn’t just a joke, if you have no other responsibilities you can make some incredible progress in 2 years.
Or drugs.

>>76345965
>this much muscle
Look at those little legs, anon.

There are some people with too much of something that makes their muscle bigger. This is something that might have killed off a hunter gatherer. I sound retarded because forget the details but basically some people do have genetics built for growing more muscle than others.

Anyway, my theory is that the person with the right genetics, motivation, routine, who cuts and bulks perfectly, can attain a body like this in a few years.

But also i assume they probably started getting into shape and learning about fitness before they claim. Many also have backgrounds in athletics.

I learned about fitness in highschool, but even so, creating the right routine took me some trial and error which meant i didnt make as much progress for the first 6 months or so just trying out different lifts and combinations and rep ranges. I also have experimented a lot with calisthenics.

One of the things that held me back the most was diet. My construction job made it hard to estimate calories needed and expended and i felt like i spent a lot if tine spinning my wheels doing diets that had progressed below 1k calories and i had zero energy. And my first 6 months was spent on a regretable dirty bulk. Got sick and didnt lift for a month at one point.

I started doing construction before i started lifting, and i owe my traps and shoulders in part to being a labor bitch. And because of that i was able to focus on other body parts during my lifts.
Oh and i barely did abs the first year, huge regret.
This is me at the end of my cut at 2.5 years lifting about a month ago. Im happy, but i could have made more progress had i done things smarter and done more research. But im doing it for fun. Im fasted and slightly dehydrated in the morning. Guy in OP is definetly fasted on water and food.

I consider myself to have average genetics at best.

>>76345549 (OP)
How can i assess the progression without a before picture? or are supposed to take it as a fact that this person was a total DYEL 2 years ago?

>>76346086
This is what I look like after weight training for 2 years naturally. Prior to this I was 190 pounds, 5’10, chubby, with little prior experience exercising. I believe I made average progress because I gained around 1-1.5 pounds of muscle a month I think

>>76345549 (OP)
Steroids, glp1 agonists, dnp3, and t3 gave me this body.
I look forward to doing NPP and test to take me from 160lbs at 12% body fat up to 180% at the same body fat level.

>>76345549 (OP)
if you do things right and stay consistent, in two years you've made ~80% of your lifetime gains. Gaining muscle doesn't work in linear fashion as I'm sure anyone with a three digit iq would guess.

if you look like shit after two years of steady lifting and dieting it's because your genetics are shit and you were always meant to look like a sack of potatoes.

>>76345549 (OP)
>one year bulk
>one year cut
>both clean, only difference being the calories ratio of carb to protein intake ratio

>>76346062
Actually it's been 2 years. Lost track and had to think about it. Kinda trivial anyway considering i plan on lworking our till im an old man.

>>76346086
That's him in May 2023, in my opinion he already has a good starting point, which is why I don't understand why he says "2 years progress". Both pictures of him I posted in this thread are available on his IG, he's not trying to hide anything, but the timeline doesn't make any sense.

>>76346238
I don't understand what the point of this thread is then?

Clenbuterol

>>76345941
>Yes but I guess the most common case is lying about when they really started
Nah, if you worked hard for 5+ years for an amazing physique, why would you lie about when you started? There is no incentive to lie.
The only reason I can think of to tell people you started at a different time is if you have a shit physique after years of working and are shy about not progressing. Or maybe you did roids and want to cover up by saying you've been training for longer than you really have.

>>76345989
>if you have no other responsibilities you can make some incredible progress in 2 years
No, your body can only build so much muscle in a certain span of time, it's not like you can work out 8 times a week and get double the results of someone going 4 times.

>>76346519
The most typical reason you’d lie about when you started lifting is if your early days were crappy (like inconsistent training or major mistakes that kept you from making progress even when you were showing up regularly).

Another thing I’ve noticed (this isn’t really a lie, more like a bias) is with people who already had a solid sports background and a decent muscular base (you can tell they didn’t walk into the gym a total beginner just by looking at them). Sure, if they say they started going to the gym in 2022 and actually bought their membership then, that’s technically true. But if they’d been doing sports with strength work before 2022, that obviously puts them ahead of someone starting from zero. So when they say “I started in 2022,” whoever’s listening will probably assume that physique is attainable in three years, which isn’t accurate, because they already had a big head start.

>>76346527
Read my first sentence, then look at >>76346238
Muscle gain is obviously not the hard part there in 2 years, it’s the leanness.

>>76346671
But he didn't start lifting 2 years ago, you can see that there's muscle behind the fat

>>76346702
Bro are you trolling? I know he didn’t start lifting 2 years ago. Thats literally what the point of “it depends on your starting point” is.

>>76346062
you look good

>>76346711
Yeah I just wanted to be sure

>>76346714
Thanks, anon.

>>76345549 (OP)
They are using strerinds

>>76346062
>I was never a flexible person
>started martial arts at the ripe age of 3 and can easily swing his leg above his head without regularly stretching

>I was never an athletic type, I never trained
>meanwhile did **sport** for a decade as a child and young adolescent which also consisted of conditioning

>I guess I am just the lean type of person
>meanwhile parents are lean, well educated and have a balanced diet which means a healthy upbringing

yeah, many such cases

>compare thise to fatasses who underestimate their caloric intake by 60% and overestimate their expenditure (thanks POS apps!) by 100%
>M-MUH GENETICS MUH HORMONES

>>76347599
I was a skrawny underweight child with no muscle most of my life. You could stick your fingers under my collar bone. Played soccer and baseball up until middle school and i played one year of football. Im in my early 30s now. Spent most of my 20s in complete indolence.
I gained helpful knowlege from my childhood that i use now, but im not sure how much my childhood physically conditioned me for my 30s.

>>76345549 (OP)
assuming no roids, it's all about knowing. just training is easy, but you have to put some thoughts into training in addition to knowing ur anatomy and basic rationales to target the muscle ur working effectively. like 90% of gym goers i've seen have very poor forms and make very slow progress. the guys i've seen grow consistently have good forms and seem to have good understanding.

if you really want to have a great body, then you have to eat like you want a great body and study like you want a great body. there's no way around this.

>>76346062
Fag.

>>76348399
Concession accepted :)

>>76348407
Means literally nothing. Post the screencap you dumb stupid old fag.

>>76348410

>>76345549 (OP)
>>76346238
Damn those tatts are ugly.

When it comes to to muscle building, these factors are the most important (in order of importance):
- Genetics
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- PEDs
- Intensity
- Sleep + Recovery
- Diet

>>76348165
>very poor forms and make very slow progress
Or no progress at all. Sometimes due to bad muscle targeting and injuries.

>>76345555
>>76345588
>>76345849

Actual answer to OPs question.

>>76348530
People often say "genetics" but they don't specify. What is the influence of genetics on muscle hypertrophy? What are the mechanisms?

>>76348829
androgen sensitivity, inhibited myostatin production, elevated GH production etc

>>76348904
Is there a way to know where I am on those spectrums?

>>76348998
If you are a fagget you will build no muscle.

>>76345549 (OP)
Honestly, getting an impressive physique in two years is really simple.

1. Buy a food scale, calculate out how much you’re supposed to be eating, and use it to weigh out your meals.
2. Meat and vegetables, every meal. Drink a giant cup of water alongside it. Take a multivitamin.
3. Lift at least 4 days each week, use a couple of big compound movements, and add to either the weight or reps every time. It’s your first two years, you can increase weight or volume every session.
5. Once you’re so lean that you can see veins in your abs (probably around the end of year one) calculate what you need to eat to gain a little weight, add rice or sweet potatoes to your meals and start bulking.
6. Bulk for the first half of year two, cut towards the middle.

In this way, by the end of your second year, assuming you have been locked in the entire time, you will look better than 90% of the people in your gym.

>>76349476
What if your numbers increase but you still look DYEL? That's my problem

>>76349488
I would assume you are doing low rep ranges around 5 or have not been lifting for very long.

>>76349510
No, I do sets with 8-12 reps, and have been lifting for 3 years

>>76349522
Whats your volume look like? How many days do you lift, how many sets per lift, how many lifts?

>>76349522
You're one of those larping indian dudes right? like you've never lifted a weight in your life and you spend your life on fit, am i right?

Good jeans or okay roids

>>76349488
If your numbers are going up in the gym but not on the scale, you need to eat more. If your numbers are going up but you’re not losing weight, you need to eat less.

>>76349510
I suspect it’s more likely a nutritional issue. The way you look is more often a result of how you eat than how you train.

>>76349522
Post routine and diet.

>>76349628
How could my numbers go up if I do not eat enough?

>>76349709
They couldn't, thats the reason we know you're lying and this whole thing is just trolling

>>7634985
My numbers have been increasing for the past 3 years but my body didn't change much. There's a discrepancy between my strength and how I look, discrepanct that one may explain by the fact that I don't feel my muscles when I train (which apparently is crucial)

>>76349926
Thats literally impossible stfu
get a life

>>76349949
What is impossible?

>>76349476
This is true. Except most people will inevitably fuck around their entire first year doing some stupid gay meme routine they, having no knowledge of training, made themselves. And also just eat whatever they want, do zero cardio, not knowing how to really push themselves, and skip legs.

Assuming you actually are gonna do everything right from day 1 (which is incredibly rare) you could get a good physique on 2 years. It can be done but I'm practice most people won't get it done

>>76350200
I think my mistake was rather uncommon. I often read that beginners mess up at the start because they choose a bad program (or no program at all), but in my case, from day one I had a structured program made by a lifter I knew from an online bodybuilding forum. He was both a coach and an experienced lifter. It was a classic full-body program with 3 sessions per week, starting with compound movements and then isolation exercises.

My problem was with nutrition. On the forums, they put a lot of emphasis on being in a calorie surplus rather than on total protein intake (they did talk about protein too, but in my impression, the focus was really on the calorie surplus, supposedly you can’t make progress without it). So from September 2022 to May 2024, I focused on being in a surplus, but since I couldn’t manage to eat both a lot (in terms of quantity) and well (with enough protein), I sacrificed quality for quantity.

As a result, after a year and a half, I had certainly progressed in terms of performance but very slowly, and I just ended up fat. Obviously, I realized something was wrong well before May 2024, but since in the explanations I discussed online I mentioned that I didn’t feel my muscles much during training, people kept telling me, “That’s definitely the problem. You MUST feel your muscles; otherwise, you’re doing the movements wrong.”

At the end of 2023, I hired a coach who made me work on mind-muscle connection and on the movements themselves, breaking down the exercises into all their phases, slowing down the execution, etc. It didn’t change my sensations at all, and even today, they’re almost nonexistent (and I’m open to discussing this and whether or not it could explain my difficulties).

I followed this MMC-focused program for 4 months at the end of 2023, but apart from a drop in performance, I didn’t notice any changes in sensations, so I stopped.

>>76350011
>My numbers have been increasing for the past 3 years but my body didn't change much
this0

>>76350388
Read my journey just above!

>>76350422
get a job nigger!

>>76350269
We all know that never happened Pajeet

>>76350613
Why do you think it never happened?

>>76350650
Because none of what you're saying is coherent with someone that has 3 years of experience in lifting, you're just a mentally ill larper that dreams about lifting

>>76350717
Just because I’ve had three years of practice doesn’t mean the first few months were mistake-free, right? We learn precisely through experience and over time

>>76346060
Are you new here?
Do you not see the countless post about the hate on leg days or that big legs are feminine.
Only aspiring lifters such as bodybuilders, powerlifters, olympic weightlifters, etc. train legs.
Normies or people who do it to looksmaxx don't train their legs.

>>76350735
If you're gonna lie at least give a convincing story

>>76350754
What's not convincing?

>>76350759
The way you are talking about it shows you've never actually done it

>>76350769
I don't really get it. Is it because I seem emotionally detached from what I’m saying that you feel it isn’t the true account of my journey?

>>76350789
i'm gonna stop replying to you rajeesh, you can go back to eating cowshit

>>76349709
I meant your numbers in terms of how much you’re lifting and how many reps you’re hitting.

Strength gains aren’t just about putting on more mass: You might see changes from CNS adaptation or form improvements or just familiarity and technical competence.

It’s the reason you’ll see little dudes in powerlifting hitting numbers that more visually impressive lifters can’t even budge. There’s a lot to it.

>>76351105
So you can gain strength without gaining muscles?

>>76350269
Okay, a lot of things are kind of coming together here. It sounds like you went on a big bulk, saw increases in performance, got fat, hired a lackluster coach, and stagnated.

What are your most recent numbers? What do you squat, bench and deadlift?

I’m still 99% sure this is an issue with consistent diet.

>>76351109
You can gain considerable strength without gaining as much muscle as you might think. Pic (Hysen Pulaku) very much related.

>>76351129
But how come? What am I doing wrong by seeing my numbers increasing while still looking DYEL?

Op here. This my progress 2021-2024
My numbers go up but I’m still looking dyel. And it’s been 3 year
I feel hopeless

I also don’t feel the muscles when I lift

>>76351124
I no longer do squat or bench press, those are the only two exercises that scare me at the gym. I stuck with them for a long time, but the psychological block became too much, so I stopped. I’m currently doing stiff-leg deadlifts for my hamstrings and lifting 110 kg. I don’t do conventional deadlifts; I’m not afraid of that exercise, but is it really that important in a training program aimed purely at hypertrophy?

>>76351142
oh its b8. nvm

>>76351228
Bait?

>>76351240
>>76351142
You’re this guy and I’ve seen this spammed for years now

>>76351142
LMAO

>be fat
>trying to follow people on hevy
>tons of ripped athletic people that look miles better than me
>check their workouts
>I lift more every time and sometimes much more.

I just want somebody that has close the same program I do so I can measure progress against it. Why the fuck is everyone on PEDs and not needing to fucking lift anything. Even the women, ripped shoulders, decent arms, shoulder press 23lbsx12x3, tricep kickback 10lbsx10x3. Fucking 10lbs, fuck you.

>>76345549 (OP)
Steroids

>>76351228
yes its that fucking nigger again
don't reply to him guys

>>76345549 (OP)
In that guy's case:
1) PEDs
2) Skipping leg day

>>76351142
this guys been shitting up the board for years
stop replying to b8

he gets off on you saying its over/hopeless etc

>>76345549 (OP)
Rate body

>How do people get such amazing physiques in 2 years?
Obviously you have to get a bunch of stupid tattoos. All these people have one thing in common. Stupid tattoos.

>>76351707

>>76351713
>>76351707
Wtf I flipped it on the editor why does it still come out flipped?

>>76351712
And usually tatoos go with roids
its an archtype you know

>>76351707
Test

>>76351728
we saw it the first time krishna
and jesus christ do you guys cum on mirrors in india or what?

>>76351728
Your bathroom looks disguting bro

>>76351730
not indian, im portugese

>>76351744
HAHAHA is that a coincidence that both guys posting here are portuguese and DYELs??
we're on to something here

>>76351744
No you're not jeet

>>76351134
eat more and use different exercises for the same muscle, if youre only ever doing 1 motion the muscle will grow the fibres that are most effective for that 1 single motion and atrophy all the fibres that arent necessarily required for that specific motion.